Why did Jesus get baptized? Matthew 3:15...And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to FULFIL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Then he suffered (baptized) him.
Jesus was our example. He did no sin, but he went through the process he expects us to go through. As for the Holy Ghost, it appeared in the bodily shape of a dove. And remember God spoke saying, "this is my son in whom I am well pleased." What this shows you is God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Ghost (or as some say, The Trinity). God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God. They are two seperate beings.
John 1:1...In the beginning was the Word (notice the capitalization), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I submit to you God as in God the Son. Not God the Father. I have the same last name as my father, but I'm NOT my father. Hopefully that makes sense.
Genesis 1:26...And God said, Let us (us means more than one, so who else was he talking to? Jesus! Remember, he was from the beginning) make man in OUR (there's another word that means more than one) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have ominion...
You are right, Guy, Jesus as big fully God from eternity was consubstantial with the Father and the Spirit and at conception, as bring fully human, He was full of the Spirit in His human nature, too.
The baptism of Jesus happened to reveal to us the Triune nature of God, I believe. God is everywhere present, therefore each Person of the Godhead is everywhere present. But also, while being omni-present, each Person of the Godhead can be specifically present in a point in time and place and in us while still being everywhere present. Jesus' baptism is a good example of this.
In Luke 3: 21-22 it speaks of John baptizing Jesus and the Holy Ghost coming down from heaven in the form of a dove. Didn't Jesus already have the Holy Ghost because he is consubstantial with the Father? and why did he seek out John and need to be baptized and cleansed of sin when he was without sin? Or is this baptism symbolic of something else?
The application of scripture is also in regard to say various ordinances in the O.T. case specific for the nation of Israel at that time; and that in regard to the ceremonial cleanness and rules and regulations for animal sacrifices which were only a temporary fix for the sin issue which ultimately pointed to the cross at Calvary. The 10 commandments on the other hand have universal applications with the exception of the day of worship which I feel Matthew 12:8 covers. The concept of marriage; for instance is fairly universal and hence as we see with the case of John the Baptist confronting Herod ( Luke 3:19) or God causing plagues on the ruler of Egypt ( Genesis 12:17) we see that even pagans were held to a certain standard of the law. We may see this also in the case of Judges 1:7 where even a pagan realized that what was done to others now was being done to him. This takes some wisdom as well; as we are supposed to if at all possible to remain peaceable upon all men and to respect authority. (see Romans 12:18).
We should certainly take things literally that are repeated in scripture such as verses in Deuteronomy on the giants; since other scriptures elaborate on the subject (such as 1 Samuel 17). Same concept for the demons mentioned in Revelation; for example. This has an eschatological ramification as well; for scripture makes it clear that there is nothing new under the sun. ( Ecclesiastes 1:9). We can make all sorts of inferences when we see the descriptions in scripture of those who are said to be affected by demons (i.e. psychological analysis) but we shouldn't do violence to clear meanings because of a myopic viewpoint (as I stated before).
Another possible error is if a more recent archaeological site makes a previous interpretation archaic as to the time frame when or where a certain event or place with the same or similar name occurred.
One could say that the miracle of wine early in John was something that He did early on that was perhaps purely of His own Deity as it was "before the time". The walking on water also and other things He did personally with the Disciples as well as explaining the Parables was something that was not to be broadly known. The main point here is that He did NOT want people to know who He was before it was in God's timing; as it would cause not only attempts prematurely to kill Him; but also large crowds attempting to make Him king. That happened in the last week to fulfill all things in their timing. We need to understand that He was our example and had the Spirit "without limit." ( John 3:34 "without measure"). His ministry had to be entirely as a servant as no doubt He deserved every day to be different than it was and indeed He is now "highly exalted". The scars on His hands and feet also serve well to demonstrate what He did for us in our place; as well as being triumphant over "sheol" ( 1 Peter 3:18-20).
Whatever other things that John mentioned that would take up more than all the books in the world ( John 21:25). Thus; whatever does exist outside the Canon which is largely tales of things before His public ministry are not to be taken as scripture or even seriously. His ministry started publicly after John the Baptist baptized Him to fulfill all things and the Spirit came down on Him as a dove ( Luke 3:22). This makes evident that it was the start of public ministry as even John the Baptist who baptized much of Israel didn't know who the Messiah was until that happened (apparently Elizabeth's children didn't interact with Mary's after the children were born or shortly thereafter from what the scripture seems to indicate).
Who is an antichrist? Christ is a translation of the Greek word Christos which means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Mashiach translated Messiah which means the anointed one, the chosen one. One who God fixed for a specific purpose set apart to fulfill God's plan.
Jesus said many times that He/Him sent me, Matt. 10:40Mark 9:37Luke 10:16John 5:30 and many more times. Also, Jesus said He came down from heaven not to do His will but to do the will of Him who sent Him in John 6:38, and Jesus said this in John 6:35-40.
We see when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed not with oil but with the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Matt 3:16Mark 1:10Luke 3:22John 1:32, and John 3:34-36 Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure. Peter confesses and puts clear the Messiah/Christ, and the miracles, wonders, and signs God did by Him Acts 2:22, also read 23-39.
"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit", manifest Greek word phanero; revealed, made known, 1 Timothy 3:16John 17:1-8. God gave His only begotten Son, God sent His Son who was come in the flesh, tempted as you or me, and the spirit of antichrist is denying that is true, John 3:161 John 4:32 John 1:7. Christ is not part of Jesus name it is a title, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus is the Christ.
A liar is he who denies or says Jesus is not the Christ/Messiah, and he is an antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. If we deny the Son, we have not the Father but if we acknowledge the Son we have the Father also, 1 John 2:18-24. You must come to your own understanding not mine, with open mind, prayer, and the Holy Spirit guiding you, you will.
These verses about the antichrist paint a picture of a deceptive seducing spirit and the people that have been deceived, just like Eve 2 Cor. 11:3. My understanding of these verses does not refer to the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit that has come to be called the antichrist.
I haven't found any scripture saying that either were teens, in my study for the answer of your question. I believe that idea comes from the idea a girl, woman or man, not being a virgin at older age. Please look at today's young people there are many keeping themselves pure & Virgins going into 30's.
Actually it may have been more biblical to say 40, Genesis 25:20, Genesis 26:34, Jacob even older. It would also prove they were a purer couple if they were older, otherwise what other proof would there be of their purity, self contol, chastity? If they were only teens? Also the trust of the Church isn't given to a novice: 1Timothy 3:1-7,
Scripture to look to: Luke 1, Luke 2,
Joseph's lineage length differs also giving us a key he seems to be older, Matthew 1, Luke 3:23-34, continues Luke 3:34-38, Matthew 1:17,
If someone has other scripture to verify otherwise. Please include I've tried finding a statement of Mary being young, youth etc.
" But the Bible speaks of things to be revealed beyond what's written"
You given several scripture supposedly indicating the Holyspirit have more to reveal separate from God's written word.
I have to disagree with that, The Holyspirit reveals the truth in God's word and sanctify the believer. not to mention its many othe tasks. Seal, teach, ect...
The Holyspirit does not have unwritten revelation to reveal he will make what Jesus said "AND LATER WRITTEN" comprehensive to us.
John 14:25-26. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU.
Now concerning the supposed contradictions on Mat. 1:6 and Luke 3:31.
The bible says that Jesus will sit on the throne of King David. It also says that King Jeconiah, who is descended from David, will never have a descendant on the throne. So how can Jesus, apparently a descendant of Jeconiah, sit on the throne of David? First let's look at what the text says.
The Lord said to David on his deathbed.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee:
thy throne shall be established for ever.
It says the Messiah will sit on David's throne forever.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his (Messiah) government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
And that Jeconiah's descendants will not sit on that throne, (he is mentioned by name in Jer 22:28).
Jer 22:30 Thus says the LORD, 'Write this man (Jeconiah) down childless, A man who will not prosper in his days; For no man of his descendants will prosper Sitting on the throne of David Or ruling again in Judah.
Are you saying we are saved by both works and grace?
I did say I do believe we are saved by both.
But as far as Bible contradictions, they do exist.
And to say Paul and James contradict would not be an issue.
The Bible contradicts itself quite often.
It is not uncommon.
Nevertheless, it does not shake my faith in the Bible.
For example,
Matthew records Christ came through David's son Solomon ( Matthew 1:6)
But Luke records Christ came through David's son Nathan ( Luke 3:31)
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. ( 2 Samuel 24:1)
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. ( 1 Chronicles 21:1)
Who provoked David, God or Satan?
Is Judah or Dan are a lion's whelp?
And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan. ( Deuteronomy 33:22)
Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? ( Genesis 49:9)
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. ( Exodus 32:14)
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent. ( 1 Samuel 15:9)
I'm so Happy you're starting to read the Bible! I like starting in Luke myself because it's like straight to the point, shorter with a direct point of view. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John all are perspectives of Jesus' life. I like that Luke 1, Luke 2, shows more clearly the birth of Jesus, the explanation of how miraculous Jesus' birth was in itself but the miracles of fulfilling scripture from ancient prophecy even in His birth, & as a babe. I like how Luke even states: Luke 1:1-3,
Matthew starts with the birth lineage of Jesus as the documents of records, also important to prove prophecy fulfilled & verify Jesus was who HE said He was. Notice: Matthew 1:17,18,
Luke also addresses the family line, ( lineage ) Luke 3:38, also addresses your questions son of GOD in the natural & Son of GOD in the Supernatural.
Hi Bonnie. Matthew 3:10 & Luke 3:9 give us this message. It was spoken by John the Baptist to those who came to see what he was doing at the Jordan River. And his message was, 'you, who are resting on your Jewish heritage to be guaranteed God's favor, think again - God is able to reject any who don't come to Him in true repentance & with a change of life, & will accept those, even non-Israelites, who do come to Him in His Way' (just a loose translation).
So the 'axe that is laid to the root of the trees': this signifies that this will be God's Judgement of cutting down & discarding even those who have been blessed as are called the children of God, since these very ones are not trusting God for their position & redemption, but trusting in their heritage & not living out lives that are worthy & fruitful. These 'trees' God will cut down with His Axe of Judgement, right at the root so that nothing can grow from it again; and John the Baptist's coming (and as a forerunner to Jesus Christ), was to do exactly that: to separate those in God's flock from those who aren't - as also those abiding in the Vine & those who want to be for their own reason - but these will be soon plucked from the branch for lack of fruit (i.e no evidence of faith & no fruit from being nourished by God through Jesus ( John 15:1-8)).
Hellow Jesse. Sorry for my delayed answer but it seems there are a lot to talk about and since I was too busy during the week, here I am now.
a. Baptism in water. My belief is that although it is a symbolism it is still a requirement/condition for salvation. The verse in Mark 16:16 does not allow for any other interpretation that it what it reads. For one to be saved there is series of events that must take place. Some of them done by man, some of them done by God.
GOD REVEALS HIMSELF- man believes-GOD'S WORD CAUSES REPENTANCE-man repents and wants to change-GOD GIVES NEW BIRTH-man gets baptised in water-GOD GIVES SALVATION (SALVATION COMPLETED)
If verses like Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38 didn't exist then it would be OK to consider bapt. in water as not essential. but they do exist, and personally I think.they are crystal clear.
Question. Even if one considers baptism not necessary, isn't it still a commandment of God. For how long can someone live his christian life ignoring that commandment, being in a continuous disobedience, being, that is, in a sin?
b. John's baptism. That baptism was not only baptism of repentance but it was for the remission of sins. It is clear in Luke 3:3. I don't say it, Luke does, inspired by God, isn't it so? So you ask, since Jesus had not been sacrifised yet how sins were erased by God? The same way that God overlooked sins done by God's people in the Old testament time. And since Jesus was to come later on, God's people that died went to Abraham's place in Hades, later after ressurection they were transfered in Heaven.
So there was a somehow preliminary remission of sins. And Jews in Jesus' time that later believed in Jesus had to go through new birth and the christian baptism later on.
But what is important is that for the Jews to be forgiven had to go through repentance AND baptism, not just repentance, thus revealing how important baptism was. Similarly in christian baptism one has to go through both new birth and baptism
Interestingly the Garden was in GOD's presence, Genesis 3:8,
Cain fleed GOD's presence, couldn't it be the Garden representative of the "vinedressers" "stewards" of the Church? Genesis 2:8,9,15, Matthew 20:1-16, Seth is the lineage of Jesus CHRIST, Luke 3:21-38,
There are many people mentioned in Genesis 4, & different trades,jobs, skills to spread throughout the Earth as commanded by GOD in Genesis 1:28
A Christian since 1968, very encouraging! Especially that you're reading throughout the Bible again into study! I hope you'll keep us in your study as you go. Many of us enjoy deep study & thought in the WORD of GOD.
There seems to be several scriptures to verify your thought, of multiple people: Genesis 1:27, let them have dominion over ._... fish, of the sea, fowl of the air, over every living thing, that moveth upon the earth.
also notice by now to continue for some people to try to say "only Adam & Eve" would be to ignore all the facts of other people listed.
Genesis 4:19,23,24,
Genesis 5:1-2, interestingly they both male & female named "Adam"
If you look in the Concordance by clicking on Genesis 1:27, man = mankind, human spelled English translated = the Hebrew name Adam sounds (aw-dawm)
Please also notice Genesis 6:5,7,12,17, why would GOD destroy the whole earth if only Adam & Eve, 1 lineage which is listed in the records of Genesis were only on Earth?
I just wanted to touch on Luke 3:3, and also respond to your comment telling me to "Please pay attention to that "for the remission of sins". If John's baptism was for the remission of sins, how do some of us believe that the christian baptism is not necassary for salvation?"
So, as you asked, I am focusing on the part that says "for the remission of sins," and I know that John's baptism was a baptism of repentance for the Jews, and that John was water baptizing these Jews. However, water baptism was not for the remission of sin because no amount of water can wash away or remit sin.
It tells us in Hebrews 9:22 that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. When John baptized, there was no blood shed, therefore, there could not have been any remission of sin. The Jews would go down to the Sea of Galilee or the Jordan River every year and get water baptized, but that was not for the remission of sin. If John's baptism (Water) was for the remission of sin, why would they get water baptized every year?
You ask: "how do some of us believe that the christian baptism is not necassary for salvation?" I cannot answer for others, but my answer would be that Christian baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. But John's baptism (Water baptism) was not Christian baptism. It was a baptism of repentance for the Jews. In order for their sins to be remitted, they needed to repent, turn away from Judaism, and surrender their lives to Christ as their Messiah. Submitting to water baptism would not remit their sin.
You mentioned that "John's baptism was for repenting and spiritual cleansing," but where in scripture does it tell us that John's baptism was for spiritual cleansing? All I see is that John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. It says nothing about spiritual cleansing? So my understanding is that water baptism does not cleanse us spiritually. Being baptized by God's Spirit is what cleanses us. I hope we can agree on that?
I don't believe we are very far off on our belief about water baptism and Spirit baptism. I do agree that water baptism is symbolic, and baptism of the Holy Spirit not symbolic. Water baptism just symbolizes an action (Salvation) that has already taken place. I'm not sure if you were trying to explain that to me, but I am in agreement with that part.
My reasoning for believing Colossians 2:12 and Romans 6:3-7 are referring to Spirit baptism, not water, would take much more space to explain that what we have here. If you need me to explain, and you are willing to read a much longer post, I can do so. Again, not to debate or change your mind, but to give my understanding.
You posted John 3:3, but I'm sure you meant Luke 3:3. This is where we might differ. First of all, John's baptism is not believer's baptism. It has nothing to do with Christian baptism. This was for the Jews. It was a requirement for them. Luke Chapter 7 tells us that it was a requirement that they go through the baptism of John in order to express repentance and they are ready to surrender to the Messiah.
Luke Chapter 7 tells us that it was God's council that all the Pharisees be baptized by John in order to receive Messiah. And he says they rejected the baptism of John. So it was a requirement that they do both. They had to go through John's baptism and be born of the Spirit. That's for the Jews only.
But John's baptism is not Christian baptism. It was a baptism of repentance for the Jewish people only, and there's a reason for that. Every year, the Jewish people would go down to the Sea of Galilee or to the Jordan River and be baptized. It is called the MIKVAH or MIKVEH. For the believer, when we get baptized in what we call believer's baptism, (water involved), it is supposed to represent and testify to the inward work of Christ of salvation. It is after we are saved.
Well, it looks like I'll need a little more space anyway. I'll respond to your last part in a separate post.
Genesis 44:18-34, Judah offers to be taken prisoner & suffer for his brother's accused crimes, because of the love he had for his father. Note: John 10:14-42, John 14, John 17, John 3:10-21,
Note: Exodus 12:35-38, Exodus 12:48, Esther 8:17,
Genesis 49:1,2,8,9,10,11,12, Genesis 46:12, Luke 3:23-38, Hebrews 7, Hebrews 8:7-13, - Hebrews 9, Matthew 2:1,5,6, Revelation 5:5,
Notice Genesis 49:10,11,12 = Matthew 21:1-16, Mark 11:1-10, Luke 19:30-46, John 12:11-16, Matthew 26:17-56, Mark 14:1-72, Luke 22:1-20,37,
Zechariah 13:6, Psalms 22:1,7,8,14,15,16,17,18,30,31, Matthew 27:35,37,41,43,46,51,52,53, Mark 15:3,6,15,20,24,27,28,29,31,32,34,38,
John 19:11,14,16,18,19,20,23,24,28,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,
The Prophet Isaiah foretold John the Baptist - In Reply - 3 years ago
Isaiah 40:3 (The Prophet)
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Matthew 3:3
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John 1:23
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Read Luke 3:14, it is about people going to John the Baptist and ask him what to do:
"14 - And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages."
John didn't ask the soldiers to quit the army. but treat people the right way (they were Roman soldiers occupying a foreign country).
But nevertheless I don't think God likes people killing each other. He didn't make us for that purpose.
Jesus was our example. He did no sin, but he went through the process he expects us to go through. As for the Holy Ghost, it appeared in the bodily shape of a dove. And remember God spoke saying, "this is my son in whom I am well pleased." What this shows you is God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Ghost (or as some say, The Trinity). God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God. They are two seperate beings.
John 1:1...In the beginning was the Word (notice the capitalization), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I submit to you God as in God the Son. Not God the Father. I have the same last name as my father, but I'm NOT my father. Hopefully that makes sense.
Genesis 1:26...And God said, Let us (us means more than one, so who else was he talking to? Jesus! Remember, he was from the beginning) make man in OUR (there's another word that means more than one) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have ominion...
The baptism of Jesus happened to reveal to us the Triune nature of God, I believe. God is everywhere present, therefore each Person of the Godhead is everywhere present. But also, while being omni-present, each Person of the Godhead can be specifically present in a point in time and place and in us while still being everywhere present. Jesus' baptism is a good example of this.
Thank you.
1Kings 6, 1Kings 7, 2Kings 11, 2Chronicles 3, 2Chronicles 4, Ezra 3, Isaiah 6, Ezekiel 41, Zechariah 6:12,13, Revelation 11, Mark 15, Matthew 27:51, Matthew 27, Psalms 118:27,
Mark 11, Luke 1,
Revelation 21:22,
Hopefully these are all helpful in your study & search for answers
The application of scripture is also in regard to say various ordinances in the O.T. case specific for the nation of Israel at that time; and that in regard to the ceremonial cleanness and rules and regulations for animal sacrifices which were only a temporary fix for the sin issue which ultimately pointed to the cross at Calvary. The 10 commandments on the other hand have universal applications with the exception of the day of worship which I feel Matthew 12:8 covers. The concept of marriage; for instance is fairly universal and hence as we see with the case of John the Baptist confronting Herod ( Luke 3:19) or God causing plagues on the ruler of Egypt ( Genesis 12:17) we see that even pagans were held to a certain standard of the law. We may see this also in the case of Judges 1:7 where even a pagan realized that what was done to others now was being done to him. This takes some wisdom as well; as we are supposed to if at all possible to remain peaceable upon all men and to respect authority. (see Romans 12:18).
We should certainly take things literally that are repeated in scripture such as verses in Deuteronomy on the giants; since other scriptures elaborate on the subject (such as 1 Samuel 17). Same concept for the demons mentioned in Revelation; for example. This has an eschatological ramification as well; for scripture makes it clear that there is nothing new under the sun. ( Ecclesiastes 1:9). We can make all sorts of inferences when we see the descriptions in scripture of those who are said to be affected by demons (i.e. psychological analysis) but we shouldn't do violence to clear meanings because of a myopic viewpoint (as I stated before).
Another possible error is if a more recent archaeological site makes a previous interpretation archaic as to the time frame when or where a certain event or place with the same or similar name occurred.
Whatever other things that John mentioned that would take up more than all the books in the world ( John 21:25). Thus; whatever does exist outside the Canon which is largely tales of things before His public ministry are not to be taken as scripture or even seriously. His ministry started publicly after John the Baptist baptized Him to fulfill all things and the Spirit came down on Him as a dove ( Luke 3:22). This makes evident that it was the start of public ministry as even John the Baptist who baptized much of Israel didn't know who the Messiah was until that happened (apparently Elizabeth's children didn't interact with Mary's after the children were born or shortly thereafter from what the scripture seems to indicate).
Mark 1:11, context Mark 1, Luke 3:22, 2Peter 1:16-18, 1st hand account, witnessed
Also, Luke 9:34 context Luke 9:27-36, Mark 9:7, context Mark 9, Matthew 17:5, context Matthew 17, Luke 3,
Romans 8, 1John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1John 5:10,13,20,
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Romans 6, Colossians 2:12,
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Who is an antichrist? Christ is a translation of the Greek word Christos which means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Mashiach translated Messiah which means the anointed one, the chosen one. One who God fixed for a specific purpose set apart to fulfill God's plan.
Jesus said many times that He/Him sent me, Matt. 10:40 Mark 9:37 Luke 10:16 John 5:30 and many more times. Also, Jesus said He came down from heaven not to do His will but to do the will of Him who sent Him in John 6:38, and Jesus said this in John 6:35-40.
We see when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed not with oil but with the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Matt 3:16 Mark 1:10 Luke 3:22 John 1:32, and John 3:34-36 Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure. Peter confesses and puts clear the Messiah/Christ, and the miracles, wonders, and signs God did by Him Acts 2:22, also read 23-39.
"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit", manifest Greek word phanero; revealed, made known, 1 Timothy 3:16 John 17:1-8. God gave His only begotten Son, God sent His Son who was come in the flesh, tempted as you or me, and the spirit of antichrist is denying that is true, John 3:16 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7. Christ is not part of Jesus name it is a title, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus is the Christ.
A liar is he who denies or says Jesus is not the Christ/Messiah, and he is an antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. If we deny the Son, we have not the Father but if we acknowledge the Son we have the Father also, 1 John 2:18-24. You must come to your own understanding not mine, with open mind, prayer, and the Holy Spirit guiding you, you will.
These verses about the antichrist paint a picture of a deceptive seducing spirit and the people that have been deceived, just like Eve 2 Cor. 11:3. My understanding of these verses does not refer to the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit that has come to be called the antichrist.
God bless,
RLW
1st would you do that for anyone?
Persistence in helping & staying with a widow, who had lost both sons, trusting in her GOD after famine. Ruth 1:1,5,
being hope & help in a 'hopeless situation' ? Ruth 1:17,18,
Ruth 4:14,15,
Ruth 4:17-22, Luke 3:22-38,
Faith, love, sacrifice, providing for others, GOD uses difficult decisions in circumstances to do amazing things.
Moabites were rejected 1Corinthians 1:26-31
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This appears to be the Son's of GOD, lineage: Genesis 5, Luke 3:23-38,
Meaning the Messiah would come from, the Church
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Luke 3:23-38
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Actually it may have been more biblical to say 40, Genesis 25:20, Genesis 26:34, Jacob even older. It would also prove they were a purer couple if they were older, otherwise what other proof would there be of their purity, self contol, chastity? If they were only teens? Also the trust of the Church isn't given to a novice: 1Timothy 3:1-7,
Scripture to look to: Luke 1, Luke 2,
Joseph's lineage length differs also giving us a key he seems to be older, Matthew 1, Luke 3:23-34, continues Luke 3:34-38, Matthew 1:17,
If someone has other scripture to verify otherwise. Please include I've tried finding a statement of Mary being young, youth etc.
Hopefully helpful
Pt 1.
You said
" But the Bible speaks of things to be revealed beyond what's written"
You given several scripture supposedly indicating the Holyspirit have more to reveal separate from God's written word.
I have to disagree with that, The Holyspirit reveals the truth in God's word and sanctify the believer. not to mention its many othe tasks. Seal, teach, ect...
The Holyspirit does not have unwritten revelation to reveal he will make what Jesus said "AND LATER WRITTEN" comprehensive to us.
John 14:25-26. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU.
Now concerning the supposed contradictions on Mat. 1:6 and Luke 3:31.
The bible says that Jesus will sit on the throne of King David. It also says that King Jeconiah, who is descended from David, will never have a descendant on the throne. So how can Jesus, apparently a descendant of Jeconiah, sit on the throne of David? First let's look at what the text says.
The Lord said to David on his deathbed.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee:
thy throne shall be established for ever.
It says the Messiah will sit on David's throne forever.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his (Messiah) government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
And that Jeconiah's descendants will not sit on that throne, (he is mentioned by name in Jer 22:28).
Jer 22:30 Thus says the LORD, 'Write this man (Jeconiah) down childless, A man who will not prosper in his days; For no man of his descendants will prosper Sitting on the throne of David Or ruling again in Judah.
See part 2.
You asked,
Why can't both verses be true?
I do believe both verses are true.
I appreciate very much your input.
I am struggling to understand,
Are you saying we are saved by both works and grace?
I did say I do believe we are saved by both.
But as far as Bible contradictions, they do exist.
And to say Paul and James contradict would not be an issue.
The Bible contradicts itself quite often.
It is not uncommon.
Nevertheless, it does not shake my faith in the Bible.
For example,
Matthew records Christ came through David's son Solomon ( Matthew 1:6)
But Luke records Christ came through David's son Nathan ( Luke 3:31)
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. ( 2 Samuel 24:1)
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. ( 1 Chronicles 21:1)
Who provoked David, God or Satan?
Is Judah or Dan are a lion's whelp?
And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan. ( Deuteronomy 33:22)
Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? ( Genesis 49:9)
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. ( Exodus 32:14)
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent. ( 1 Samuel 15:9)
I'm so Happy you're starting to read the Bible! I like starting in Luke myself because it's like straight to the point, shorter with a direct point of view. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John all are perspectives of Jesus' life. I like that Luke 1, Luke 2, shows more clearly the birth of Jesus, the explanation of how miraculous Jesus' birth was in itself but the miracles of fulfilling scripture from ancient prophecy even in His birth, & as a babe. I like how Luke even states: Luke 1:1-3,
Matthew starts with the birth lineage of Jesus as the documents of records, also important to prove prophecy fulfilled & verify Jesus was who HE said He was. Notice: Matthew 1:17,18,
Luke also addresses the family line, ( lineage ) Luke 3:38, also addresses your questions son of GOD in the natural & Son of GOD in the Supernatural.
Hopefully these are helpful
So the 'axe that is laid to the root of the trees': this signifies that this will be God's Judgement of cutting down & discarding even those who have been blessed as are called the children of God, since these very ones are not trusting God for their position & redemption, but trusting in their heritage & not living out lives that are worthy & fruitful. These 'trees' God will cut down with His Axe of Judgement, right at the root so that nothing can grow from it again; and John the Baptist's coming (and as a forerunner to Jesus Christ), was to do exactly that: to separate those in God's flock from those who aren't - as also those abiding in the Vine & those who want to be for their own reason - but these will be soon plucked from the branch for lack of fruit (i.e no evidence of faith & no fruit from being nourished by God through Jesus ( John 15:1-8)).
Mark 15:32 and Luke 3:29-43
Theses two scriptures seem to be pointing out a different picture. One verse states
both of the two crucified with CHRIST reviled him.
The other verse states one mocked him and the other called HIM LORD.
Somebody please explain
Hellow Jesse. Sorry for my delayed answer but it seems there are a lot to talk about and since I was too busy during the week, here I am now.
a. Baptism in water. My belief is that although it is a symbolism it is still a requirement/condition for salvation. The verse in Mark 16:16 does not allow for any other interpretation that it what it reads. For one to be saved there is series of events that must take place. Some of them done by man, some of them done by God.
GOD REVEALS HIMSELF- man believes-GOD'S WORD CAUSES REPENTANCE-man repents and wants to change-GOD GIVES NEW BIRTH-man gets baptised in water-GOD GIVES SALVATION (SALVATION COMPLETED)
If verses like Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38 didn't exist then it would be OK to consider bapt. in water as not essential. but they do exist, and personally I think.they are crystal clear.
Question. Even if one considers baptism not necessary, isn't it still a commandment of God. For how long can someone live his christian life ignoring that commandment, being in a continuous disobedience, being, that is, in a sin?
b. John's baptism. That baptism was not only baptism of repentance but it was for the remission of sins. It is clear in Luke 3:3. I don't say it, Luke does, inspired by God, isn't it so? So you ask, since Jesus had not been sacrifised yet how sins were erased by God? The same way that God overlooked sins done by God's people in the Old testament time. And since Jesus was to come later on, God's people that died went to Abraham's place in Hades, later after ressurection they were transfered in Heaven.
So there was a somehow preliminary remission of sins. And Jews in Jesus' time that later believed in Jesus had to go through new birth and the christian baptism later on.
But what is important is that for the Jews to be forgiven had to go through repentance AND baptism, not just repentance, thus revealing how important baptism was. Similarly in christian baptism one has to go through both new birth and baptism
Genesis 4,
Interestingly the Garden was in GOD's presence, Genesis 3:8,
Cain fleed GOD's presence, couldn't it be the Garden representative of the "vinedressers" "stewards" of the Church? Genesis 2:8,9,15, Matthew 20:1-16, Seth is the lineage of Jesus CHRIST, Luke 3:21-38,
There are many people mentioned in Genesis 4, & different trades,jobs, skills to spread throughout the Earth as commanded by GOD in Genesis 1:28
Hopefully these are helpful
A Christian since 1968, very encouraging! Especially that you're reading throughout the Bible again into study! I hope you'll keep us in your study as you go. Many of us enjoy deep study & thought in the WORD of GOD.
There seems to be several scriptures to verify your thought, of multiple people: Genesis 1:27, let them have dominion over ._... fish, of the sea, fowl of the air, over every living thing, that moveth upon the earth.
Genesis 4:1,2,8,13,14, Notice Genesis 4:13-17, Genesis 4:25,
also notice by now to continue for some people to try to say "only Adam & Eve" would be to ignore all the facts of other people listed.
Genesis 4:19,23,24,
Genesis 5:1-2, interestingly they both male & female named "Adam"
If you look in the Concordance by clicking on Genesis 1:27, man = mankind, human spelled English translated = the Hebrew name Adam sounds (aw-dawm)
Please also notice Genesis 6:5,7,12,17, why would GOD destroy the whole earth if only Adam & Eve, 1 lineage which is listed in the records of Genesis were only on Earth?
Genesis 5:3, Genesis 2:7,8,15,22, Romans 5:14, 1Corinthians 15:45, 1Chronicles 1:1, Luke 3:21-38,
Sometimes we have to ask questions
1st does an interpretation represent GOD's Laws, standards, examples? Leviticus 20:17, 1Corinthians 10:13, James 1:13-15, Proverbs 11:1,
2nd What is the main points GOD is pointing us to? Romans 5:17-21,
3rd, does it feel right, truthful, honest in our spirit? John 14:26,27, James 1:5, 1John 2:27-29,
I believe the reason anyone has questioned outside what is written, is because false teaching: Note: 1John 2:26-29, 2Peter 2:1, 2Timothy 3:1-5,
1John 4:1, 1Timothy 6:3-6,
Hopefully these are all helpful in your study
(Part 2)
I just wanted to touch on Luke 3:3, and also respond to your comment telling me to "Please pay attention to that "for the remission of sins". If John's baptism was for the remission of sins, how do some of us believe that the christian baptism is not necassary for salvation?"
So, as you asked, I am focusing on the part that says "for the remission of sins," and I know that John's baptism was a baptism of repentance for the Jews, and that John was water baptizing these Jews. However, water baptism was not for the remission of sin because no amount of water can wash away or remit sin.
It tells us in Hebrews 9:22 that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. When John baptized, there was no blood shed, therefore, there could not have been any remission of sin. The Jews would go down to the Sea of Galilee or the Jordan River every year and get water baptized, but that was not for the remission of sin. If John's baptism (Water) was for the remission of sin, why would they get water baptized every year?
You ask: "how do some of us believe that the christian baptism is not necassary for salvation?" I cannot answer for others, but my answer would be that Christian baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. But John's baptism (Water baptism) was not Christian baptism. It was a baptism of repentance for the Jews. In order for their sins to be remitted, they needed to repent, turn away from Judaism, and surrender their lives to Christ as their Messiah. Submitting to water baptism would not remit their sin.
You mentioned that "John's baptism was for repenting and spiritual cleansing," but where in scripture does it tell us that John's baptism was for spiritual cleansing? All I see is that John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. It says nothing about spiritual cleansing? So my understanding is that water baptism does not cleanse us spiritually. Being baptized by God's Spirit is what cleanses us. I hope we can agree on that?
I don't believe we are very far off on our belief about water baptism and Spirit baptism. I do agree that water baptism is symbolic, and baptism of the Holy Spirit not symbolic. Water baptism just symbolizes an action (Salvation) that has already taken place. I'm not sure if you were trying to explain that to me, but I am in agreement with that part.
My reasoning for believing Colossians 2:12 and Romans 6:3-7 are referring to Spirit baptism, not water, would take much more space to explain that what we have here. If you need me to explain, and you are willing to read a much longer post, I can do so. Again, not to debate or change your mind, but to give my understanding.
You posted John 3:3, but I'm sure you meant Luke 3:3. This is where we might differ. First of all, John's baptism is not believer's baptism. It has nothing to do with Christian baptism. This was for the Jews. It was a requirement for them. Luke Chapter 7 tells us that it was a requirement that they go through the baptism of John in order to express repentance and they are ready to surrender to the Messiah.
Luke Chapter 7 tells us that it was God's council that all the Pharisees be baptized by John in order to receive Messiah. And he says they rejected the baptism of John. So it was a requirement that they do both. They had to go through John's baptism and be born of the Spirit. That's for the Jews only.
But John's baptism is not Christian baptism. It was a baptism of repentance for the Jewish people only, and there's a reason for that. Every year, the Jewish people would go down to the Sea of Galilee or to the Jordan River and be baptized. It is called the MIKVAH or MIKVEH. For the believer, when we get baptized in what we call believer's baptism, (water involved), it is supposed to represent and testify to the inward work of Christ of salvation. It is after we are saved.
Well, it looks like I'll need a little more space anyway. I'll respond to your last part in a separate post.
Please note: Genesis 29:31-35, Genesis 35:23,
Genesis 44:18-34, Judah offers to be taken prisoner & suffer for his brother's accused crimes, because of the love he had for his father. Note: John 10:14-42, John 14, John 17, John 3:10-21,
Note: Exodus 12:35-38, Exodus 12:48, Esther 8:17,
Genesis 49:1,2,8,9,10,11,12, Genesis 46:12, Luke 3:23-38, Hebrews 7, Hebrews 8:7-13, - Hebrews 9, Matthew 2:1,5,6, Revelation 5:5,
Notice Genesis 49:10,11,12 = Matthew 21:1-16, Mark 11:1-10, Luke 19:30-46, John 12:11-16, Matthew 26:17-56, Mark 14:1-72, Luke 22:1-20,37,
Zechariah 13:6, Psalms 22:1,7,8,14,15,16,17,18,30,31, Matthew 27:35,37,41,43,46,51,52,53, Mark 15:3,6,15,20,24,27,28,29,31,32,34,38,
John 19:11,14,16,18,19,20,23,24,28,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,
Isaiah 53
Hopefully these are helpful
Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 9, Acts 10, Acts 16, Acts 19, Philippians 4:22,
Note; Luke 3:7-14, Matthew 7:21-27, Matthew 25:31-46,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Matthew 3:3
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John 1:23
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Romans 12:6,
2Peter 1:16-21,
1Timothy 4:14,
Revelation 1:3,
Gifting working within the Body: 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, direction concerning in Church: 1Corinthians 14:29-40,
Prophets yet to come: Revelation 11:3-19, false prophet yet to come: Revelation 16:12-15, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,
Revelation 19:10,
Revelation 22,
John the Baptist referred to as Prophet: Luke 1:76, Luke 3:4, Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, Luke 7:26,28, Luke 20:3-20, John 1:19-37,
Acts 3:22-26, Acts 7:35-60, Titus 1:12,
Matthew 10:41,
Jesus talking about Prophets in HIS day, referred to himself also: Matthew 21:26, Matthew 11:9, Mark 11:32, John 4:4,
Luke 13:33, Luke 24,
Paul & others acknowledged prophecy, Prophets, even Women that did Prophecy: Acts 21:8-14,
Hope these are helpful
Read Luke 3:14, it is about people going to John the Baptist and ask him what to do:
"14 - And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages."
John didn't ask the soldiers to quit the army. but treat people the right way (they were Roman soldiers occupying a foreign country).
But nevertheless I don't think God likes people killing each other. He didn't make us for that purpose.
GBU
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Kelly