if I understand you correctly: It have not being a rapture, and i belive it will not be like in
movie versions now a days. So everyone who is from Jesus' death now and until He returns is simply in the "waiting room" Paradise. And these will then appear on the last day. Luke 23:43 Afterwards we will always be with the Lord.
So help me the Holy Spirit to be on the path that leads me into the arms of God. Amen
God bless u and yours, love u in Christ. Hope you understand what i mean.
I used to have similar questions in the past, it's not easy, but we need to trust scripture, and as Suze had a great reply in that we should read the bible and use Jesus life and teachings as our perfect example, especially for what he did for us on the cross.
These are only a few verses that have brought comfort to me to help keep my life in perspective.
Philippians 2:5-11 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
Matthew 5:3-12 "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Luke 23:34 "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots."
Romans 12:16-21 "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
The lack of Baptism submersion, doesn't appear to be an unpardonable sin.
Let's address why wouldn't someone want to be Baptized? Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:2-7, Romans 6:3-13,
Is it fear that keeps one from baptism? 1John 4:18, trust? Psalms 56:11, that person may possibly be about to ask another gentle close friend in the Body of Christ to be the person submersing with people of close relation in there nearby or helping, while the Church leader prays or recites scripture. I've seen many believers like youth outreach baptize with Pastor helping. Depending on the fellowship. Matthew 28:18-20,
If the reason is medical, or because of very difficult situation. Luke 23:38-46,
Matthew 10:33, 2Timothy 2:12, Matthew 16:24, Matthew 3:13-17,
Luke 23:34 "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
hand, and the other on the left.
Here, the verb "said" records in the imperfect tense. An imperfect tense verb describes a continuous and repeated behavior or action.
In effect, JESUS CHRIST spoke these words many times regarding HIS FATHER's Forgiveness toward HIS crucifiers before HIS death on the cross.
Moreover, JESUS CHRIST spoke the verb "forgive" in the imperative mood. An imperative mood verb is a command which demands obedience.
BOTH GOD THE FATHER and GOD THE SON mutually agree perfectly with one another in all matters as CHRIST proclaimed in John 10:30: "I and MY FATHER are ONE."
As THEY are both ONE in Essence, so too are THEY both ONE in agreement, purpose, cooperation, and behavior. BOTH acts as unified One-ness in all matters.
BOTH GOD THE FATHER and GOD THE SON DIVINELY Designed, Purposed, and Willed this Forgiveness in eternity passed which is why JESUS CHRIST prayed these words from the cross and also which is why GOD THE FATHER willingly obeyed the imperative.
Acts 2:38 states to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins; and then you will be filled with the Holy Ghost. On the surface it may seem that not only is baptism required; but also it along with repentance is needed for forgiveness. Clearly; this is not the case as is seen from John the Baptist himself who told the Pharisees to repent BEFORE the baptism was given. At that time the Spirit did not dwell with us permanently after salvation after it did after Pentacost and the upper room experience.
This could be compared in a way to confessing with our mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord to be saved. ( Romans 10:9-10). Believing in the heart is a necessary condition; lest we simply have a mantra that is some intellectual acceptance of Christ as Lord; who He actually is to every person; whether or not they have been given a new heart post conversion or are still unregenerate.
The clear example is the thief at the cross. ( Luke 23:39-43). He didn't have time to be baptized; but clearly Christ was going to be with him in paradise. Therefore; baptism is as an outer confession; it demonstrates our public affirmation of becoming part of the Body and Christ and symbolizes in some ways the death; burial and resurrection in our own lives mirroring that of Christ; our head. It is clearly a command; hence it should be done ASAP after conversion. One could say that if a person does NOT seek to be baptized and goes on a long time without it it is likely there is no evidence that they have truly repented. If we love Him; we obey His commands. ( John 14:15). Obviously we should test ourselves to see if we are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5-6); or as a Pastor see if there are any fruits indicating true repentance ( Matthew 3:8; etal). Matthew 5:19 shows if we break the least of the commandments and teach others to do so we shall be least in the Kingdom of Heaven. That should be a sobering warning of losing rewards for disobedience for elders and laypersons alike
I've understood it to be similar to Simon called Peter: Matthew 4:18, Matthew 10:2, different than Acts 8:9, & Luke, Acts 10:18, Acts 13:1, Acts 13:9, Acts 14:2, notice in Acts, the same book, there are multiple names referenced even a wind, Acts 27:14, Acts 27:8, Hebrews 11:18,
Matthew 1:6 Jesus called Christ, John 4:25, Luke 6:15, John 1:42, John 11:16, not Colossians 4:11,
Romans 2:17, Romans 7:3, same supposed writer as Acts , also Romans 9:26
Matthew 26:14, Luke 23:33, John 19:13, John 19:17, Acts 6:9, Revelation 11:8,
Revelation 12:9,
Luke 2:4, Luke 8:2, John 21:2, different than Acts 9:11,
Another priesthood established after 400+ yrs of captivity of Israel in Egypt. Established in Exodus 28:1, described & defined & detailed in; Exodus 28, Ex. 29, Ex. 30, Ex. 31, Ex. 35, Ex. 38, Ex. 39, Ex. 40, Leviticus 1, note the Name, Aaron being in the Levi lineage= Exodus 2:1, Numbers 26:59, if you want to study the laws of the Priesthood all the chapters of Leviticus, I recommend.
Numbers 3:1-45, clarified who was allowed to be in the Priesthood. Note: Numbers 3:32, Numbers 4, breaks down duties of each family, within that tribe, separated by GOD specifically, Numbers 3:12-13, Numbers 3:41, Deuteronomy also describe the duties. This continued through the book of Joshua. King David & king Solomon, re-established the Levitical Priests; 1Chronicles 6:10, then again at the return of the Babylonian captivity re-established by Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai, & all Israel that returned.
Therefore by these recorded accounts it appears the priesthood that existed during the moment your referring to in Mark 15, were traditional heirs of the priesthood as established, in Exodus. Respected & upheld by Jesus himself= Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14,
Please read Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, John 18:35,
Interestingly in: Luke 1:5, Luke 2, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Jesus Our High Priest.
They swayed Pilate, Matthew 27:24, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:4-23, John 19:8-15, yet GOD ordained it & Christ allowed it, John 10:17,
I find it useful to read & study many Books of the Bible to answer my questions within one part of another Book.
Hopefully these are helpful & fully answer your questions
A STUDY FOR YOU__You're Ready For It - In Reply - 3 years ago
A Commentary on the word Darkness:
The plague (the ninth) of darkness in Egypt ( Ex. 10:21) is "described as darkness "which may be felt." It covered "all the" "land of Egypt," so that "they saw not one another." It did not" extend to the land of Goshen (ver. 23). "When Jesus hung upon the cross ( Matt. 27:45; Luke 23:44), from "the "sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the" "ninth hour." "On Mount Sinai, Moses ( Ex. 20:21) "drew near unto the thick "darkness where God was." This was the "thick cloud upon the" "mount" in which Jehovah was when he spake unto Moses there. The" "Lord dwelt in the cloud upon the mercy-seat ( 1 Kings 8:12), the" cloud of glory. When the psalmist ( Ps. 97:2) describes the "inscrutable nature of God's workings among the sons of men, he" "says, "Clouds and darkness are round about him." God dwells in" thick darkness. "Darkness ( Isa. 13:9, 10; Matt. 24:29) also is a symbol of the judgments that attend on the coming of the Lord. It is a symbol of misery and adversity ( Job 18:6; Ps. 107:10; Isa. 8:22; Ezek. "30:18). The "day of darkness" in Joel 2:2, caused by clouds of" "locusts, is a symbol of the obscurity which overhangs all divine" "proceedings. "Works of darkness" are impure actions ( Eph. 5:11)." Outer darkness refers to the darkness of the streets in the "East, which are never lighted up by any public or private lamps" "after nightfall, in contrast with the blaze of cheerful light in" the house. It is also a symbol of ignorance ( Isa. 9:2; 60:2; Matt. 6:23) and of death ( Job 10:21; 17:13).
Look on the entry page, is the Search Box. Put the word darkness in it. There's 142 verses. You can put the list in BOOK order. and you can choose old or New Testament only.
There's no darkness in God. He is surrounded by clouds because of the Light and, God is a consuming Fire. We're mortal/human and cannot look upon Him and live.
Hebrew days were from sunset to sunset'; the 24 hours were divided into 12 hours of the night (reckoned from sunset); and 12 hours in the day (reckoned from sunrise. See John 11:9) Hence the 6th hour of John 19:14 was our midnight; the 3rd hour of Mark 15:25 was our 9AM; the 6th hour of Mathew 27:45; Mark 15:33, Luke 23:44, Acts 10:9, was our noon; the ninth hour of Mathew 27:45,46; Mark 15:33,34; Luke 23:44, was our 3PM
Expression a night and a day equals a 24 hour day ( 2 Corinthians 11:25) denotes a complete day (Gr. nuchthemeron)
When Jesus raided Hell of the Prisoners - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all SOULS of the dead went to await resurrection.
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31).The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called PARADISE by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated HELL here is not the Greek word HADES but is the Greek word TARTARUS meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom Luke 16:26
Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things. Ephesians 4:8-10
Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!
When Jesus Went Down to Hell - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all SOULS of the dead went to await resurrection.
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called PARADISE by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated HELL here is not the Greek word HADES but is the Greek word TARTARUS meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the GULF that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things. Ephesians 4:8-10)
Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!
JESUS'S WORK WHILE HIS BODY WAS IN THE TOMB - In Reply - 3 years ago
Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all SOULS of the dead went to await resurrection.
In the KJV, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory
I believe Luke 23:28 was Jesus looking into the future and giving us his last thoughts on earth
He stopped to warn Woman about the future evils of abortions
"Daughters of Jerusalem do not weep for me weep for yourselves and your children.For indeed the days are comming in which they will say Blessed are the barren wombs that never bore and breasts which never nursed
for if they do these in the green wood what will happen in the dry" Green wood is a carpenters term for young and fertile dry is old and dry. Jesus then says "Father forgive them for they do not know what they do"
Exodus 25, is where/when the Bible 1st describes the Ark of The Covenant / Testament. Exodus 26 is the detailed description of it's strict rules of being set within the holy place and the most holy, sanctified, behind the veil Exodus 26:33, then Exodus 30, Exodus 31, Exodus 35, Exodus 37, Exodus 39, Exodus 40,
Leviticus 16:2, is where the LORD warns, there are/were strict rules, even risk of life going before the Ark of The Covenant / testament,
Numbers 3 & Numbers 4, explains the care of the Ark & all things regarding the Temple; had dedicated people, & their children, that specifically looked after covering for items, even carrying them. Example: Numbers 4:5-15 note again threat of death in Numbers 4:15, & Numbers 4:16-20,
1Samuel 5, 1Samuel 6, 1Samuel 6:19, remember the rules, GOD specifically said. 2Samuel 6:3-7, 1Chronicles 13:10, 1Chronicles 15:2-3, 1Chronicles 15:12-15, there are more examples._..if you would like more, let me know.
Significant that during the crucifixion of JESUS Christ our Savior that holy veil was torn: Mark 15:37-39, Luke 23:42-47, Matthew 27:50-51,
Scribes Pharisees Sadducees Tried To Stop Jesus Too - In Reply - 3 years ago
The Day of Pentecost AFTER Jesus ascended to heaven, visually.
About one hundred and twenty followers of Christ ( Acts 1:15) were present, including the Twelve Apostles (Matthias was Judas' replacement) ( Acts 1:13, 26), Jesus' mother Mary, other female disciples and his brothers ( Acts 1:14). JESUS had sisters. All filled with the Holy Spirit.
Women were also identified to be among the 120. Mary the mother of Jesus is mentioned by name. The wives of the apostles were there ( 1 Cor. 9:5 "Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?"). Each of the wives was a devout believer in Christ. Part of the number of women would be those mentioned in Luke 8:1-3. "And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance." See also Matt. 27:55-56; Luke 23:49,55. We would expect that the sisters of Jesus were also believers by this time, as His brothers had become. Jesus was much more inclusive of the women than were the scribes and PHARISEES. The women had accompanied Him as He went through every city and village. The very first person to announce the Risen Christ was Mary Magdalene ( John 20:11-18).
Mishael: taken from history recorded in Book of Acts; by the Disciples (Luke), and Jewish people. Paul had not been born again yet. After he was, he went to the wilderness to be taught by the Lord for 3 YEARS. Corinthians was not written down yet.
Women spread the Gospel too; house to house. Outside of the synagogues in their courtyards. That's what disciples do_spread the Good News. WORD of mouth, house to house.
One of the shortest verses in the bible, Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife." Lot's wife was saved, until at the last minute when she decided to turn around, why she turned around, we don't know, but she did, Genesis 19:26. The devil is in the world constantly tempting us until our last breath, as in Judas who was with Jesus for his entire earthly ministry, or as in
Luke 23:39-43, the one thief on the cross (whom I believe) was the devil tempting Jesus to come down from the cross and save himself, and the other thief on the cross rebuking him and saying that they deserved their punishment, and then asking Jesus to remember him, one was saved one wasn't. This is why it's so important to put on the whole armour of God as in
Ephesians 6:11-19,
Genesis 19:26 "But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."
The commentary here elaborates once again the prophetic implications of David's Psalm which have implications for the Messiah to come. Verse 10; however clearly implies David only as iniquities causing his ailment are mentioned; some have linked it to a sexually transmitted illness due to his many relations with women (such as veneral disease).
Once again; a hidden place in God's "pavilion" (v. 20) are offered to those saints which fear God (v. 19). The reward in v. 23 for the evil doer once again shows that we reap what we sow. These verses referring to a "strong city" (v. 21) are indicative of the heavenly Jerusalem most likely; and could refer to the Rapture and or Resurrection of the saints.
Verse 5 shows what Christ stated when He died "into thine hands I commit my spirit". ( Luke 23:46). The part of being redeemed is for the rest of the saints; as Christ overcame through His own Divinity. It is finished was stated in John 19:30. This shows that after death He was victorious; and by no means was "suffering in hell" but was proclaiming victory; and setting free the captives ( Eph. 4:8). Also this fits in with the penitent thief being with Him "today" in paradise ( Luke 23:43). Three days later; at the Resurrection many were brought forth from their graves and appeared to many. As to whether they went to heaven as the first of the firstfruits is of some controversy; but no other explanation seems likely. Satan was defeated and the stage was set for the verse "death where is thy sting?" ( 1 Cor. 15:55-57).
Several other verses; particularly verse 13 seem to show the sufferings of Christ. Verse 11 is very similar to those used by Job during his trial.
The law of Priests, regarding the Ark of The Covenant & Holy of Holies : Exodus 25:8-22, Exodus 26:33,34, Leviticus 16:1-34, Deuteronomy 10:8,
note: Hebrews 9:3-5,
1Samuel 3:1-3, 1Samuel 3:19, * 1Samuel 3:20, 1Samuel 7:15,16,17, 1Samuel 8:1, doesn't call Samuel or his sons priests, 1Samuel 9:9,10,15,19,
* 1Samuel 4:3-11, 1Samuel 4:22, 1Samuel 5:1, 1Samuel 7:2, The Ark of The Covenant was taken,
1Samuel 8:5,6,7,19,22,
David didn't become King until after Samuel passed on. 1Samuel 25:1, while David was still hiding from Saul. 2Samuel 6:1-9, is David's 1st attempt to retrieve the Ark of The Covenant, 2Samuel 6, * 1Chronicles 13:3, Please also read 1Chronicles 15,
Significant note: Luke 1:5-23, Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45,
Trust in the Plan of God to Save Us Fully - In Reply - 3 years ago
Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "HADES" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the gulf that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in PARADISE to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 8:2
And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my SPIRIT: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Mishael: these are other scriptures that show awareness of the spirit in Jesus, and those that are born again.
The fleshly body Sleeps, wherever it fell dead, or was buried. The born again to heaven someday.
The unsaved, wicked dead to judgement one day.
When you Google this, be sure you are not on a Catholic doctrine website. The King James Bible which was canonized is the standard for being born again. See the Book of John. I write this in love and concern for all of Gods people.
Just to confirm Marke and you say here "GiGi", the robber on the cross got to paradise right away. : D We may be very surprised (if there is a surprise) in Paradise.
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Surprise me Lord? You who have all Power in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28:18-20
I won't take into account the Scripture of the OT as long at that period of time not much was revealed to people.
Lets go to NT. We can separate the period people lived in this world into two sections. Before and after Jesus' ressurection.
BEFORE: In the parable/real story that Jesus said in Luke 16:19-31 both the rich man and Lazarus are in hell. The greek text uses the word Ades instead. Ades was the place that souls went after death according to the ancient Greek mythology, and Luke uses that name to make gentiles feel better what he talks about . Surely Jesus used some other Jewish word. Nevermind it seems there were two sections adjacent, the good and the bad one. People could see others from the other section but couldn't go. A prejudgement has taken place since the final judgement will take place in the final chapter of Revelation and people were placed according to their lifes. Suffer or rejoice.
AFTER: Jesus said to that thief Luke 23:43 that today he will be with Him in Paradise. But where that paradice is located? Where is that "be with the Lord" that often Paul says in his epistles. We wii see. No other information is provided. to us untill Revelation 6:9-11. There we can see the souls being under the altar under the Throne of God. So after ressurection Jesus took all the saved souls from Ades and transferred them to Heaven under the altar under God's throne. This is where Paradise is located. And they will remain there till the final judgement when the bad people will be placed in the lake of fire and the saints will live with God on the new earth that God will create.
Now see that the souls at the altar are aware of their surroundings, are aware of what happens on earth, also they have a feeling of time ince they ask" How long oh Lord don't You..". They are not asllep, neither the rich man and Lazarus where. Sleep is just a nice way to say die. That is obvious in the story of Lazarus' ressurection.
This subject has been hotly contested and I just had a member of my small group take that stance this week. The fact that God is said to put "eternity" in men's hearts surely shows that there is a concept of it once we are at a certain age. ( Ecclesiastes 3:11). We also have Stephen who right before he died saw Christ standing on His throne; then he "fell asleep." Acts 7:60. We have the great "cloud of witnesses" of Hebrews 11; those under the throne who have been martyred ( Rev. 6:9-11); David's commentary about his son dying ( 2 Sam. 12:23) where he says that his son can't come to him but he shall go to see him (after death); the appearance of Moses and Elijah (although Elijah was translated) at the transfiguration; and verses about Sheol. Jesus has the parable about Lazarus and the rich man ( Luke 16:19-31) about the fate of O.T. people in both sections of Sheol; and the captivity being made captive ( Eph. 4:8 also prophesied in Psalm 68:18; Jesus promising the thief on the cross that today he would be in paradise ( Luke 23:43); and that would be followed by many saints coming out of their graves after the Resurrection ( Matthew 27:52-53). We also have Hebrews 9:27 which says man is destined to die once; then face the judgment.
There are many other confirming verses. We must keep in mind that when the word "qeber" is used defining the grave; and a person ceasing to exist it is the body. Sheol; however is the land of the dead. We must also keep in mind that the spirits of just men made perfect ( Heb. 12:23) would start with Christ the first of the firstfruits; so to speak. God is not the God of the dead but the living ( Luke 20:38). John 8:56 says that Abraham longed to see the day HE SAW IT AND REJOICED. We have Paul's vision of things unspeakable whether in the flesh or not he didn't know ( 2 Cor. 12:2). Finally; John's vision in Revelation literally saw the future.
The biggest issue is WHY people think soul sleep exists. It concerns me.
I've had several close to death experiences. The 1st I recall clearly was about 5 or 6 yrs old. I was being held by gentle being, clothed in white & no pain, back to unbearable pain & suffering. I heard myself speak as an adult outside of the situation. That may have been the closest I've ever been to Heaven itself, the place. 2nd time I was electrically shocked while in water, I saw a black hand cover the sky, enormous, I could only see light through the bend of two fingers & only a portion, it was so huge. 3rd & 4th time I was young adult, it was all black around, I could feel darkness & closeness to judgement. I begged for another chance. 5th time I could hear & see the EMTs I had a different view. I was at peace not struggling, no pain. Then as they put the heart zapper thing on 3rd time I think it was. I felt difficult pain again, coldness, struggle. Luke 23:43, Luke 16:15-31, Luke 20:35-38, Psalms 91:11, Matthew 4:11, Matthew 13:39,41,49, Luke 4:10, 2Thessalonians 1:6-12, 1Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1, Psalms 97:2, * Hebrews 2:14,15, Genesis 5:24, 2Kings 2, Matthew 17:1-5, if GOD has allowed Ezekiel, John & others in the Scriptures to see Heaven then I cannot argue they did or not. * Acts 7:55, Jeremiah 52, Revelation 7, Isaiah 6:1, Ezekiel 1, Ezekiel 10,
Matthew 24:3-51, Matthew 25:31-46, we will all give account so may our Words be faithful.
Present-day defenders of soul sleep include the Seventh Day Adventist church, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, and others.
In regards to the portion of your question regarding death=sleep. We must be careful in understanding what is really meant and not fall into the belief of "Soul sleep." Soul sleep is a belief that after a person dies, his/her soul "sleeps" until the resurrection and final judgment. The concept of "soul sleep" is not biblical. When the Bible describes a person "sleeping" in relation to death ( Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6), it does not mean literal sleep. Sleeping is just a way to describe death because a dead body appears to be asleep. The moment we die, we face the judgment of God ( Hebrews 9:27). For believers, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ( 2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). For unbelievers, death means everlasting punishment in hell ( Luke 16:22-23).
Until the final resurrection, though, there is a temporary heaven-paradise ( Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4) and a temporary hell-Hades ( Revelation 1:18; 20:13-14). As can be clearly seen in Luke 16:19-31, neither in paradise nor in Hades are people sleeping. It could be said, though, that a person's body is "sleeping" while his soul is in paradise or Hades. At the resurrection, this body is "awakened" and transformed into the everlasting body a person will possess for eternity, whether in heaven or hell. Those who were in paradise will be sent to the new heavens and new earth ( Revelation 21:1). Those who were in Hades will be thrown into the lake of fire ( Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people-based entirely on whether or not a person trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation.
From my understanding and experience Catholics and some Protestants celebrate what they call Holy Week which includes: Palm Sunday (Jesus' triumphant entry into Jerusalem - Luke 19:28-40), the Last Supper on Thursday ( Luke 22:7-38); Jesus' agony in the garden, betrayal, trial, scourging, and crucifixion ( Luke 22:39-23:1-49), his burial and entombment,, ( Luke 23:50-55), and His Resurrection from the dead ( Luke 24:1-12; Matt. 28; Mk. 16; Jn 20-21), but not the Passover in the sense that the jews celebrate it. This week of celebration is pointedly centered on Jesus our Savior, which the Jews do not celebrate because they reject Jesus as the Messiah. The Passover is a memorial of the passing over of the Israelites in Egypt by the angel of death and the hasty meal before they fled from Egypt (In Exodus).
As an uneducated fisherman I lack the education and knowledge to join your arguments or to offer proper response.
What I know to be true is that the Holy Spirit provides gifts, wisdom, knowledge and discernment to each. Differently and accordingly. Keep the book open. Along with your hearts and minds as Christadelphian stated.
Belief, Faith and a life of Service are the Kool-Aid.
if I understand you correctly: It have not being a rapture, and i belive it will not be like in
movie versions now a days. So everyone who is from Jesus' death now and until He returns is simply in the "waiting room" Paradise. And these will then appear on the last day. Luke 23:43 Afterwards we will always be with the Lord.
So help me the Holy Spirit to be on the path that leads me into the arms of God. Amen
God bless u and yours, love u in Christ. Hope you understand what i mean.
I used to have similar questions in the past, it's not easy, but we need to trust scripture, and as Suze had a great reply in that we should read the bible and use Jesus life and teachings as our perfect example, especially for what he did for us on the cross.
These are only a few verses that have brought comfort to me to help keep my life in perspective.
Philippians 2:5-11 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
Matthew 5:3-12 "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Luke 23:34 "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots."
Romans 12:16-21 "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
God Bless
Let's address why wouldn't someone want to be Baptized? Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:2-7, Romans 6:3-13,
Is it fear that keeps one from baptism? 1John 4:18, trust? Psalms 56:11, that person may possibly be about to ask another gentle close friend in the Body of Christ to be the person submersing with people of close relation in there nearby or helping, while the Church leader prays or recites scripture. I've seen many believers like youth outreach baptize with Pastor helping. Depending on the fellowship. Matthew 28:18-20,
If the reason is medical, or because of very difficult situation. Luke 23:38-46,
Matthew 10:33, 2Timothy 2:12, Matthew 16:24, Matthew 3:13-17,
Hopefully these are all helpful
hand, and the other on the left.
Here, the verb "said" records in the imperfect tense. An imperfect tense verb describes a continuous and repeated behavior or action.
In effect, JESUS CHRIST spoke these words many times regarding HIS FATHER's Forgiveness toward HIS crucifiers before HIS death on the cross.
Moreover, JESUS CHRIST spoke the verb "forgive" in the imperative mood. An imperative mood verb is a command which demands obedience.
BOTH GOD THE FATHER and GOD THE SON mutually agree perfectly with one another in all matters as CHRIST proclaimed in John 10:30: "I and MY FATHER are ONE."
As THEY are both ONE in Essence, so too are THEY both ONE in agreement, purpose, cooperation, and behavior. BOTH acts as unified One-ness in all matters.
BOTH GOD THE FATHER and GOD THE SON DIVINELY Designed, Purposed, and Willed this Forgiveness in eternity passed which is why JESUS CHRIST prayed these words from the cross and also which is why GOD THE FATHER willingly obeyed the imperative.
This could be compared in a way to confessing with our mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord to be saved. ( Romans 10:9-10). Believing in the heart is a necessary condition; lest we simply have a mantra that is some intellectual acceptance of Christ as Lord; who He actually is to every person; whether or not they have been given a new heart post conversion or are still unregenerate.
The clear example is the thief at the cross. ( Luke 23:39-43). He didn't have time to be baptized; but clearly Christ was going to be with him in paradise. Therefore; baptism is as an outer confession; it demonstrates our public affirmation of becoming part of the Body and Christ and symbolizes in some ways the death; burial and resurrection in our own lives mirroring that of Christ; our head. It is clearly a command; hence it should be done ASAP after conversion. One could say that if a person does NOT seek to be baptized and goes on a long time without it it is likely there is no evidence that they have truly repented. If we love Him; we obey His commands. ( John 14:15). Obviously we should test ourselves to see if we are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5-6); or as a Pastor see if there are any fruits indicating true repentance ( Matthew 3:8; etal). Matthew 5:19 shows if we break the least of the commandments and teach others to do so we shall be least in the Kingdom of Heaven. That should be a sobering warning of losing rewards for disobedience for elders and laypersons alike
Matthew 1:6 Jesus called Christ, John 4:25, Luke 6:15, John 1:42, John 11:16, not Colossians 4:11,
Romans 2:17, Romans 7:3, same supposed writer as Acts , also Romans 9:26
Matthew 26:14, Luke 23:33, John 19:13, John 19:17, Acts 6:9, Revelation 11:8,
Revelation 12:9,
Luke 2:4, Luke 8:2, John 21:2, different than Acts 9:11,
Acts 1:23, Acts 9:36,
Colossians 3:15, 1John 3:1,
Hopefully these are all helpful in your study
There have been many discussions about this. People differ in opinion. James 1:5, I ask you pray for wisdom & discernment of truth.
Why do you ask, this question like this?
1st we have Luke 16,
Then we have Paradise mentioned 3 times, in: Luke 23:39-46, 2Corinthians 12:2-4, Revelation 2:7,
Out of the Grave: Ezekiel 37:12,13, Matthew 27:52,53, John 5:28,
Judgement : Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, Romans 14:12, 1Peter 4:1-5, Matthew 12:36,
Jesus being the 1st born: Romans 8:29-39,
Hopefully these are helpful
Another priesthood established after 400+ yrs of captivity of Israel in Egypt. Established in Exodus 28:1, described & defined & detailed in; Exodus 28, Ex. 29, Ex. 30, Ex. 31, Ex. 35, Ex. 38, Ex. 39, Ex. 40, Leviticus 1, note the Name, Aaron being in the Levi lineage= Exodus 2:1, Numbers 26:59, if you want to study the laws of the Priesthood all the chapters of Leviticus, I recommend.
Numbers 3:1-45, clarified who was allowed to be in the Priesthood. Note: Numbers 3:32, Numbers 4, breaks down duties of each family, within that tribe, separated by GOD specifically, Numbers 3:12-13, Numbers 3:41, Deuteronomy also describe the duties. This continued through the book of Joshua. King David & king Solomon, re-established the Levitical Priests; 1Chronicles 6:10, then again at the return of the Babylonian captivity re-established by Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai, & all Israel that returned.
Therefore by these recorded accounts it appears the priesthood that existed during the moment your referring to in Mark 15, were traditional heirs of the priesthood as established, in Exodus. Respected & upheld by Jesus himself= Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14,
Please read Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, John 18:35,
Interestingly in: Luke 1:5, Luke 2, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Jesus Our High Priest.
They swayed Pilate, Matthew 27:24, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:4-23, John 19:8-15, yet GOD ordained it & Christ allowed it, John 10:17,
I find it useful to read & study many Books of the Bible to answer my questions within one part of another Book.
Hopefully these are helpful & fully answer your questions
The plague (the ninth) of darkness in Egypt ( Ex. 10:21) is "described as darkness "which may be felt." It covered "all the" "land of Egypt," so that "they saw not one another." It did not" extend to the land of Goshen (ver. 23). "When Jesus hung upon the cross ( Matt. 27:45; Luke 23:44), from "the "sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the" "ninth hour." "On Mount Sinai, Moses ( Ex. 20:21) "drew near unto the thick "darkness where God was." This was the "thick cloud upon the" "mount" in which Jehovah was when he spake unto Moses there. The" "Lord dwelt in the cloud upon the mercy-seat ( 1 Kings 8:12), the" cloud of glory. When the psalmist ( Ps. 97:2) describes the "inscrutable nature of God's workings among the sons of men, he" "says, "Clouds and darkness are round about him." God dwells in" thick darkness. "Darkness ( Isa. 13:9, 10; Matt. 24:29) also is a symbol of the judgments that attend on the coming of the Lord. It is a symbol of misery and adversity ( Job 18:6; Ps. 107:10; Isa. 8:22; Ezek. "30:18). The "day of darkness" in Joel 2:2, caused by clouds of" "locusts, is a symbol of the obscurity which overhangs all divine" "proceedings. "Works of darkness" are impure actions ( Eph. 5:11)." Outer darkness refers to the darkness of the streets in the "East, which are never lighted up by any public or private lamps" "after nightfall, in contrast with the blaze of cheerful light in" the house. It is also a symbol of ignorance ( Isa. 9:2; 60:2; Matt. 6:23) and of death ( Job 10:21; 17:13).
Look on the entry page, is the Search Box. Put the word darkness in it. There's 142 verses. You can put the list in BOOK order. and you can choose old or New Testament only.
There's no darkness in God. He is surrounded by clouds because of the Light and, God is a consuming Fire. We're mortal/human and cannot look upon Him and live.
Expression a night and a day equals a 24 hour day ( 2 Corinthians 11:25) denotes a complete day (Gr. nuchthemeron)
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31).The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called PARADISE by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated HELL here is not the Greek word HADES but is the Greek word TARTARUS meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom Luke 16:26
Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things. Ephesians 4:8-10
Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called PARADISE by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated HELL here is not the Greek word HADES but is the Greek word TARTARUS meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the GULF that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things. Ephesians 4:8-10)
Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!
In the KJV, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory
He stopped to warn Woman about the future evils of abortions
"Daughters of Jerusalem do not weep for me weep for yourselves and your children.For indeed the days are comming in which they will say Blessed are the barren wombs that never bore and breasts which never nursed
for if they do these in the green wood what will happen in the dry" Green wood is a carpenters term for young and fertile dry is old and dry. Jesus then says "Father forgive them for they do not know what they do"
Exodus 25, is where/when the Bible 1st describes the Ark of The Covenant / Testament. Exodus 26 is the detailed description of it's strict rules of being set within the holy place and the most holy, sanctified, behind the veil Exodus 26:33, then Exodus 30, Exodus 31, Exodus 35, Exodus 37, Exodus 39, Exodus 40,
Leviticus 16:2, is where the LORD warns, there are/were strict rules, even risk of life going before the Ark of The Covenant / testament,
Numbers 3 & Numbers 4, explains the care of the Ark & all things regarding the Temple; had dedicated people, & their children, that specifically looked after covering for items, even carrying them. Example: Numbers 4:5-15 note again threat of death in Numbers 4:15, & Numbers 4:16-20,
Note Numbers 7:89, Deuteronomy 10:5,8, Deuteronomy 31:26, Joshua 3:13-17,
1Samuel 5, 1Samuel 6, 1Samuel 6:19, remember the rules, GOD specifically said. 2Samuel 6:3-7, 1Chronicles 13:10, 1Chronicles 15:2-3, 1Chronicles 15:12-15, there are more examples._..if you would like more, let me know.
Significant that during the crucifixion of JESUS Christ our Savior that holy veil was torn: Mark 15:37-39, Luke 23:42-47, Matthew 27:50-51,
* Hebrews 10, Hebrews 9,
Please read Hebrews 10 whole chapter
Hopefully these are helpful
About one hundred and twenty followers of Christ ( Acts 1:15) were present, including the Twelve Apostles (Matthias was Judas' replacement) ( Acts 1:13, 26), Jesus' mother Mary, other female disciples and his brothers ( Acts 1:14). JESUS had sisters. All filled with the Holy Spirit.
Women were also identified to be among the 120. Mary the mother of Jesus is mentioned by name. The wives of the apostles were there ( 1 Cor. 9:5 "Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?"). Each of the wives was a devout believer in Christ. Part of the number of women would be those mentioned in Luke 8:1-3. "And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance." See also Matt. 27:55-56; Luke 23:49,55. We would expect that the sisters of Jesus were also believers by this time, as His brothers had become. Jesus was much more inclusive of the women than were the scribes and PHARISEES. The women had accompanied Him as He went through every city and village. The very first person to announce the Risen Christ was Mary Magdalene ( John 20:11-18).
Mishael: taken from history recorded in Book of Acts; by the Disciples (Luke), and Jewish people. Paul had not been born again yet. After he was, he went to the wilderness to be taught by the Lord for 3 YEARS. Corinthians was not written down yet.
Women spread the Gospel too; house to house. Outside of the synagogues in their courtyards. That's what disciples do_spread the Good News. WORD of mouth, house to house.
Mishael
Luke 23:39-43, the one thief on the cross (whom I believe) was the devil tempting Jesus to come down from the cross and save himself, and the other thief on the cross rebuking him and saying that they deserved their punishment, and then asking Jesus to remember him, one was saved one wasn't. This is why it's so important to put on the whole armour of God as in
Ephesians 6:11-19,
Genesis 19:26 "But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."
Once again; a hidden place in God's "pavilion" (v. 20) are offered to those saints which fear God (v. 19). The reward in v. 23 for the evil doer once again shows that we reap what we sow. These verses referring to a "strong city" (v. 21) are indicative of the heavenly Jerusalem most likely; and could refer to the Rapture and or Resurrection of the saints.
Verse 5 shows what Christ stated when He died "into thine hands I commit my spirit". ( Luke 23:46). The part of being redeemed is for the rest of the saints; as Christ overcame through His own Divinity. It is finished was stated in John 19:30. This shows that after death He was victorious; and by no means was "suffering in hell" but was proclaiming victory; and setting free the captives ( Eph. 4:8). Also this fits in with the penitent thief being with Him "today" in paradise ( Luke 23:43). Three days later; at the Resurrection many were brought forth from their graves and appeared to many. As to whether they went to heaven as the first of the firstfruits is of some controversy; but no other explanation seems likely. Satan was defeated and the stage was set for the verse "death where is thy sting?" ( 1 Cor. 15:55-57).
Several other verses; particularly verse 13 seem to show the sufferings of Christ. Verse 11 is very similar to those used by Job during his trial.
Titus 1:7, 1Corinthians 4:2, Luke 19, Luke 12, Matthew 25,
Matthew 27:35, John 19:24, Psalms 22:18, Mark 15:24, Luke 23:34, Joel 3:3, Obediah 1:11, Nahum 3:10, Esther 3:7-15, Esther 9:24,
Leviticus 16:8-10, Numbers 26:55,56, Numbers 33:54, Numbers 34:13, Jonah 1:7, Acts 1:26,
Proverbs 16:33, Proverbs 18:18, Luke 1:9,
Hebrews 10:1-31, Hebrews 9:1-28,
The law of Priests, regarding the Ark of The Covenant & Holy of Holies : Exodus 25:8-22, Exodus 26:33,34, Leviticus 16:1-34, Deuteronomy 10:8,
note: Hebrews 9:3-5,
1Samuel 3:1-3, 1Samuel 3:19, * 1Samuel 3:20, 1Samuel 7:15,16,17, 1Samuel 8:1, doesn't call Samuel or his sons priests, 1Samuel 9:9,10,15,19,
* 1Samuel 4:3-11, 1Samuel 4:22, 1Samuel 5:1, 1Samuel 7:2, The Ark of The Covenant was taken,
1Samuel 8:5,6,7,19,22,
David didn't become King until after Samuel passed on. 1Samuel 25:1, while David was still hiding from Saul. 2Samuel 6:1-9, is David's 1st attempt to retrieve the Ark of The Covenant, 2Samuel 6, * 1Chronicles 13:3, Please also read 1Chronicles 15,
Significant note: Luke 1:5-23, Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45,
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "HADES" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the gulf that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in PARADISE to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 8:2
And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my SPIRIT: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Mishael: these are other scriptures that show awareness of the spirit in Jesus, and those that are born again.
The fleshly body Sleeps, wherever it fell dead, or was buried. The born again to heaven someday.
The unsaved, wicked dead to judgement one day.
When you Google this, be sure you are not on a Catholic doctrine website. The King James Bible which was canonized is the standard for being born again. See the Book of John. I write this in love and concern for all of Gods people.
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Surprise me Lord? You who have all Power in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28:18-20
John 8:31-32 Love u all have a nice Easter
Lets start from the beginning.
I won't take into account the Scripture of the OT as long at that period of time not much was revealed to people.
Lets go to NT. We can separate the period people lived in this world into two sections. Before and after Jesus' ressurection.
BEFORE: In the parable/real story that Jesus said in Luke 16:19-31 both the rich man and Lazarus are in hell. The greek text uses the word Ades instead. Ades was the place that souls went after death according to the ancient Greek mythology, and Luke uses that name to make gentiles feel better what he talks about . Surely Jesus used some other Jewish word. Nevermind it seems there were two sections adjacent, the good and the bad one. People could see others from the other section but couldn't go. A prejudgement has taken place since the final judgement will take place in the final chapter of Revelation and people were placed according to their lifes. Suffer or rejoice.
AFTER: Jesus said to that thief Luke 23:43 that today he will be with Him in Paradise. But where that paradice is located? Where is that "be with the Lord" that often Paul says in his epistles. We wii see. No other information is provided. to us untill Revelation 6:9-11. There we can see the souls being under the altar under the Throne of God. So after ressurection Jesus took all the saved souls from Ades and transferred them to Heaven under the altar under God's throne. This is where Paradise is located. And they will remain there till the final judgement when the bad people will be placed in the lake of fire and the saints will live with God on the new earth that God will create.
Now see that the souls at the altar are aware of their surroundings, are aware of what happens on earth, also they have a feeling of time ince they ask" How long oh Lord don't You..". They are not asllep, neither the rich man and Lazarus where. Sleep is just a nice way to say die. That is obvious in the story of Lazarus' ressurection.
GBU
There are many other confirming verses. We must keep in mind that when the word "qeber" is used defining the grave; and a person ceasing to exist it is the body. Sheol; however is the land of the dead. We must also keep in mind that the spirits of just men made perfect ( Heb. 12:23) would start with Christ the first of the firstfruits; so to speak. God is not the God of the dead but the living ( Luke 20:38). John 8:56 says that Abraham longed to see the day HE SAW IT AND REJOICED. We have Paul's vision of things unspeakable whether in the flesh or not he didn't know ( 2 Cor. 12:2). Finally; John's vision in Revelation literally saw the future.
The biggest issue is WHY people think soul sleep exists. It concerns me.
Matthew 24:3-51, Matthew 25:31-46, we will all give account so may our Words be faithful.
In regards to the portion of your question regarding death=sleep. We must be careful in understanding what is really meant and not fall into the belief of "Soul sleep." Soul sleep is a belief that after a person dies, his/her soul "sleeps" until the resurrection and final judgment. The concept of "soul sleep" is not biblical. When the Bible describes a person "sleeping" in relation to death ( Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6), it does not mean literal sleep. Sleeping is just a way to describe death because a dead body appears to be asleep. The moment we die, we face the judgment of God ( Hebrews 9:27). For believers, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ( 2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). For unbelievers, death means everlasting punishment in hell ( Luke 16:22-23).
Until the final resurrection, though, there is a temporary heaven-paradise ( Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4) and a temporary hell-Hades ( Revelation 1:18; 20:13-14). As can be clearly seen in Luke 16:19-31, neither in paradise nor in Hades are people sleeping. It could be said, though, that a person's body is "sleeping" while his soul is in paradise or Hades. At the resurrection, this body is "awakened" and transformed into the everlasting body a person will possess for eternity, whether in heaven or hell. Those who were in paradise will be sent to the new heavens and new earth ( Revelation 21:1). Those who were in Hades will be thrown into the lake of fire ( Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people-based entirely on whether or not a person trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation.
Main part of this answer from gotquestions.org
You know Jesus and you know He died on the cross, right? There my friend Jesus says to the one who hung beside the Him:
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Hope this gave you an answer. Stay blessed Jesus loves u and i in Christ. Acts 18
From my understanding and experience Catholics and some Protestants celebrate what they call Holy Week which includes: Palm Sunday (Jesus' triumphant entry into Jerusalem - Luke 19:28-40), the Last Supper on Thursday ( Luke 22:7-38); Jesus' agony in the garden, betrayal, trial, scourging, and crucifixion ( Luke 22:39-23:1-49), his burial and entombment,, ( Luke 23:50-55), and His Resurrection from the dead ( Luke 24:1-12; Matt. 28; Mk. 16; Jn 20-21), but not the Passover in the sense that the jews celebrate it. This week of celebration is pointedly centered on Jesus our Savior, which the Jews do not celebrate because they reject Jesus as the Messiah. The Passover is a memorial of the passing over of the Israelites in Egypt by the angel of death and the hasty meal before they fled from Egypt (In Exodus).
As an uneducated fisherman I lack the education and knowledge to join your arguments or to offer proper response.
What I know to be true is that the Holy Spirit provides gifts, wisdom, knowledge and discernment to each. Differently and accordingly. Keep the book open. Along with your hearts and minds as Christadelphian stated.
Belief, Faith and a life of Service are the Kool-Aid.
God Bless
Ty