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  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Re.11:4-7 "The two witnesses" (2 of 2)

    The '1260 days' is a tag supplied the Spirit to indicate the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. By the same token the Gentiles are allowed to operate for 42 months. The 42 months' similarly is a tag. In an earlier post we saw 'the hour" during which the power of darkness prevailing over the children of disobedience. ( Luke 22:53). The beast as well as the enemies to Jesus who took him in the night belonged to the son of perdition. Judas Iscariot belonged to this group. This conflict reveals two laws, of the Spirit and of the sin.

    Let us look at the characteristics of the two witnesses. They are representatives of several prophets coming under the earthly ministry of Jesus who is the fulfillment of the law. They were "clothed in sackcloth'. It echoes the mourning of Daniel for three weeks,"(Dan.10:2-3)

    "And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." This recalls to us the seven plagues of Egypt" and of Elijah, "These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy." In short these two witnesses present a composite picture of heroes of faith(He.11:33-38)

    On the flip side the number 42 months gives the beast who is a composite figure. John the Baptist was beheaded under a Herod and we have the beast in the Acts of the Apostles, "Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church./And he killed James the brother of John with the sword./And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also."(Ac.12:1-3)

    Finally " Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." This temple is not anything extant but what was founded on Zion. (1s.28:16) We see its culmination in Re.21.22-23

    And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it./... for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Re.11:13 Judgment

    "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." (v.13)

    At the same hour refers to the hour Jesus spoke about at the night he was taken in. ( Luke 22:53)It is the power of darkness that caused the nation of Israel reject the true Light and the time of the Gentiles before the Son appeared in mid-air to collect. "and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory./ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."(24:30-31)

    The ministry of the two witnesses has the same duration as the day decreed for the Son. John the Baptist was sent according to the Scriptures as a voice preparing the way. "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts./But who may abide the day of his coming? "(Mal.3:1-2) Purifiers work refers to the great tribulation. The script for the day of his coming consists of several phases which is clearly laid out in Matt.3:13. "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

    The chaff shall be cast to the winds. (the imposter church), purging his floor is the earth(*the left behind church), and it leads to the unquenchable fire. "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."(Re.20:10). * Cf the vision of the Woman Clothed with the Sun and she is sent to a place prepared for her. "(12:14)
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Ze.13:7-9 "Shepherd and the little ones" (1 of 2)

    "Smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones"(v.7.b). This prophecy concerns Jesus Christ who declared,"I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."( John 10:11)

    Having fixed it we shall call for the peripherals, and the chapter is referring to a day, "In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David" (13:1)

    This day refers to the day decreed for the Son. "I will declare the decree: theLordhath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."(Ps.2:7) In that day is similar to the expression, unto this day' which refers to the earthly ministry. And this verse tells us that having finished his work he is seated on the right hand of the Most High, ("TheLordsaid unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool./TheLordshall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies "-Ps.110:1-2) that day refers to the latter days and a fountain shall be opened for Israel. In the vision of the Woman Clothed with the Sun indicates Jesus Christ has been taken to the throne so God sends the rod of his strength out of Zion. In short it is part of the unfinished ministry of his Son.

    This day decreed for the Son is further subdivided so when Jesus tells his captors "When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness." ( Luke 22:53) we can safely infer that Prophet Zechariah was referring to this moment. God the Father did not spare his own Son for our sakes. Consequently scattering the sheep was very much part of divine Will.

    "I will turn my hand upon the little one" in primary sense refers to the nation of Israel. Jesus had foretold, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate./For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth,"(Matt.23:38-39)
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    2 Ti. 2:4 "Word of reconciliation" (1 of 2)

    "No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."

    This quote from St Paul shall explain what he means by the word of reconciliation. St Paul explains his ministry is from God,"all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation" so no passage stands alone but it casts its spiritual analogue so it is the fulness of Christ that we look into it. The revelation that the Spirit had set him apart as he confesses,"To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood."(Gal.1:16; Ac.13:2). He was called to be a good soldier for Christ. So his ministry of reconciliation is in lock step with Jesus Christ's ministry of reconciling the other sheep, "and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd" into one fold fits with one another.( John 10:16)

    Elisha's life presents us with the world of the Spirit which requires eye of faith than the normal faculty of vision. "Behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?/And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them./And Elisha prayed, and said,Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And theLordopened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha." ( 2Ki. 6:15-17). Ministry of reconciliation is about fighting by the rules.(2 Ti.2:5) These rules are meant to make every believer fighting fit. So when Jesus told his disciples," and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."( Luke 22:36) we can put his word in proper perspective. The sword was meant as his badge of office. This is the word of reconciliation, comparing the spiritual with spiritual.
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    John10:11-13 "Wolf is coming, wolf is coming"

    Before we examine the middle section of this discourse, we have had the sheepfold covering both worlds of the Spirit and of the body.It was set as a parable.'This parable spake Jesus unto them'(v.6)

    Here we have Jesus as "I am the life" and he presents life abundant, "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." In the previous post "Not by the door" the conflict of the shepherd with the thieves robbers owe to the war in heaven so St Paul warns,"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light../Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." (2 Co.11:14-15)Gnosticism was already at work along with Judaizers in the early church and the message to the church of Philadelphia carried warnings. "I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (Re.3:10). According to Min-Max mode of narrating the Spirit sets the hour of temptation, coming from Imperial Rome.It also overarches to the great tribulation of latter days. When Jesus was taken in he told his captors, "but this is your hour, and the power of darkness." ( Luke 22:53)

    It is to this hour we are coming. The wolves were about. "But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep."(10:12) Historically the open door that Jesus set for the church did not drew the sheep to Jesus Christ but to embrace the pagan Rome entirely. The hireling come under many labels, let the sheep scatter. So when Constantine I called the council of Nicea he organized the Council along the lines of the Roman Senate. His foremost concern was to keep his empire from splitting than the correct doctrine.
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    John 10:1-4 "Not by the door" (2 of 2)

    Pride of Satan will not allow him to be one among many." I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." He would usurp the place of the Son himself. God made angels spirit so technically a son of God. The angelic revolt in heaven to create an alternate narrative to the Salvation Plan as we may surmise from this verse, "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."(Ge.6:2) Without the simplicity of obedience how ludicrous was their plan to create a 'holy' family?. This also throws some light on the separation of light from the darkness. (Ge.1:4)

    "Shall go in and out" When Jesus Christ is the door sheep may go in and out. "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." Going in and out can be understood at two levels. God gave the revelation of his Son "and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.". The angel belongs to the sheepfold in the world of the Spirit. Similarly "And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel."(1 Chr.21:1) Hence this warning from St Paul,(Gal.1:8)

    Our struggle is with spiritual wickedness in high places, refers to the world of the Spirit, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Full armor of God refers the one sheepfold in which we have rested from our own labors and are hid in Christ. So our battles are fought in the world of the Spirit. This also explains why Jesus instructed his disciples, "and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one".( Luke 22:36). "Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me" speaks for one world. The sword is badge of an overcomer in the world of the Spirit.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Chris,

    Thank you again, from my heart, the truth is my search not to offend. It all goes back to one verse when I read it, it stood out in my heart, Corinthians 11:4. I know I am alone here on this, but saying Jesus is part of the Triune God, who eternally exists and expresses himself as three distinct persons with one essence all three co-equal. One God in three persons-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This to me denies the Son, 1 John 2:23

    What I see in the Bible is the relationship between the Father and the Son, the Son is obedient to the Father. Jesus said His Father is greater than Him, John 14:28. Jesus has said the Father is His God, John 20:17 Revelation 3:12.

    The Bible defines God's nature as eternal and unchanging; there is only one throne of God and through the Bible, only the Father is on the throne until the Father raised His Son from the dead and placed Him on His right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, there is nothing about the Holy Spirit.

    As we see in Revelation Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple and the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof, Rev. 21:22-23 no Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, not another person.

    Jesus confirmed there is only one true God, Mark 12:28-34, in Jesus's prayer to His Father said in John 17:3. All the greetings in the New Testament are from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:3 Ephesians 6:23 1 Thessalonians 1:1 2 Timothy 1:2 Titus 1:4 2 John 1:3 and more but no Holy Spirit.

    If the Trinity true and is so important, why is it not once taught in Scripture? God cannot change and God cannot die, so how do we understand John 3:16 if God the Father did not send his actual begotten Son to die for our sins? We see Jesus also had His own will, Luke 22:42.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    The Cross and the Sword" (2 of 2)

    In the Gospel of St Matthew we have this: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword(Matt.26:51)".He was referring to the hour of darkness, and the ungodly were about to close in and his way to the cross was a signal for the enemies to gather in force. He knew the times. "Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, But this is your hour, and the power of darkness ( Luke 22: 52-53)"
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    "The Cross and the Sword" (1 of 2)

    In Lucan gospel we have a saying of Jesus, coming as it is from the Servant-King is atypical. "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one"( Luke 22:35).

    St Luke makes it clear that the sword was their emblem of a new order they were entering into. It also fits with the subtext the narrative carrying along. As associates of Jesus they were also part of the kingdom he had promised (vv.29-30).

    Symbolism of the sword is for every saint redeemed from the earth and they follow the white rider on a white horse. He is part of the great army following in the rear. "In righteousness he doth judge and make war." (Re.19:11). The sword is not forged in any fire kindled by man but from the fire that was symbolically present in the night vision of Daniel. The Ancient of day sat on a throne, "His throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire." (Dan.7:9) As human events unfold in earth this fire was streaming as with river of time.

    (See entry under R-River of time)

    The inaugural vision of St John made a composite image of the Father and the Son. The sword of the Spirit, 'which is the word of God' and it clears every offending thing, the remnant of iniquity, "were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth."(Re.19:21).

    As Jesus is wrapping up earthly ministry they disciples were to be watchful (" Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning./ Lest coming suddenly he find you sle"- Mark 13:35-36) It was to be in readiness as soldiers awaiting the command of their Messiah-King for the battle. In the Gospel of St Matthew we have this: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword(Matt.26:51)".
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Ju.9;22-26 "Mischief" (2 of 2)

    (continued)

    The Spirit in the case of Judas gives us a clue how evil spirit connects with man. Judas knew there was a demand for his master 'And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him;' and he had the know-how how to meet their demand. 'Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve( Luke 22:2-3).' Unclean spirits or Satan gain entry only when the heart of man is 'without borders'. Judas was only particular about his wages and the chief priests and scribes, their position and praise of men what the seat of Moses gave them. Similarly when the Spirit writes, "Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem the latter justified their banditry as their due for keeping an Usurper in power.

    In our times when we hear of White Evangelicalism or Replacement Theory what it boils down to is a heart that has replaced simplicity which is in Christ, with brambles and thistles of heresies. Churches thus set up do not serve God but will-worship from which wages are collected by some like men of Shechem to justify their banditry.
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    "To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."( Luke 4:19) (1 of 2)

    Jesus was given a portion for reading."And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,"(v.17) It was as remarkable as Isaiah's passage concerned him, as his closing book where it was clear why he stood in the synagogue of his hometown. He was there to announce the acceptable year of the Lord. The various timscales applied with direct reference to the Son had come a full circle. According to the scriptures written of him there is one aspect to which he said, "Things concerning has an end"."For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end."( Luke 22:37) Number 42 delineates his ministry which is different than the year assigned to him. Thus the year must be reckoned in terms of the Word which was with God in the beginning and eternal nature of Jesus Christ who is the Messiah, describes his ministry, "he Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised," This is in conjunction with preaching. The Sermon on the Mount (Matt.5) is to be seen as the Mission Statement. By the same token His 'woe to you' discourse must be treated as his repudiation of the nation of Israel. "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." Matt.23:38)

    Now he is seated 'down on the right hand of the Majesty on high' upholding all things by the word of his power helps us under the passage from Isaiah better. Is.61:3-7) "And the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn" is yet to be fulfilled.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello Jema

    The grk "machaira" may refer to a sword but also to a dagger or a knife. I think it was impossible for Jews to cary real swords with them while being under Roman rule, they were in a risk to be called rebels. So what Peter had with him was most probably a dagger or simply a knife. Lets not forget that Jesus and the apostles had no permanent residence, so they carried together with them all that was needed for cutting, say, bread or meat or use in small works. I also don't think that Jesus would ever allow them carrying swords with them, and secretely. This is against His teachings. This is also shown by His answer to Peter.

    In Luke 22:36 Jesus speaks metaforically, He warns His disciples that for a while (those 3 days) they will on their own, without His protection, so they must be ready for that.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Agnostic73,

    Interesting sign-in name, just to add to Jema's wonderful reply. My understanding Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets and Jesus asking them in Luke 22:36 to buy swords was part of fulfilling the prophecy. He told them in, Luke 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

    Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    In Luke 22:36-38, He tells them why the swords they had would be enough, then in verse 52, we see they came with swords and spears as against a thief. Jesus was also put on the cross between two thieves, Matthew 27:38. Even the least of the not obvious prophecies, Jesus fulfilled them all.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jimbob - 2 years ago
    Another one. Inspired by God, or not?

    The KJB says in ( Col 1:14) "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins".

    The KJB says we have redemption ((THROUGH HIS BLOOD)) Wouldn't that be a TRUE statement?

    The Nasb says "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins". The Nasb removes the words (through his blood).

    The Niv says "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins". The Niv removes the words (through his blood).

    The Esv says "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins". The Esv removes the words (through his blood).

    The Nlt says "who purchased our freedom and forgave our sins". The Nlt removes the words (through his blood).

    The Gnt says "by whom we are set free, that is, our sins are forgiven". The Gnt removes the words (through his blood).

    Should I go on? I really could!

    Who would put their trust in a bible that removes the blood of Jesus Christ from this verse?

    This is the 3rd post that is without a doubt Biblical proof that modern version bibles are corrupt, and not Inspired by God!

    The KJB has again proven itself to be the Inspired Word of God!

    ( Luke 22:20) Jesus says "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you".

    The word (blood) is #129; it means (the atoning blood of Christ) by implying bloodshed.

    Would someone with good intentions remove those words in all those modern version bibles?

    Or do you think those bibles are what we are warned about in ( Jer 23:36) and ( 2 Tim 4:3-4)? And maybe even ( 1 Tim 4:1)?

    Anybody want to answer those questions?

    Truth matters!
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Ze.14

    The battle

    When Jesus advised his disciples on the night he was taken, "and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."( Luke 22:36). The sword was a badge of office for soldiers of Christ. Instead the apostate church has activism and on earth they are to strengthen the hand of the beast.. There shall be a battle as there was a battle against the Amalekites in the days of Moses,(Ex.17:11-12). There shall be a final battle (Re.20:8-9). And these battles have their order as there are waves of resurrection.

    And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    In the case of the war with the Amalekites Moses stood on top of the hill with the rod of God, which is clue to the intent of the Spirit. The rod in the hand of Moses was for his glory and with which God brought plagues upon the land of Egypt. Moses was in place of the Lord directing the war."To morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand."

    We have been warned of his coming. "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you."(Matt.24:4).
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Upper Room (1 of 2)

    In the Acts of the Apostles we have an incident where St Peter raised the dead woman. (Ac.9:37-41)The Spirit is particular to state he did so in the upper room. It is a space or the face, so heaven acts in tandem with the earth. Jesus had promised his disciples, "Whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."(Matt.18:18). All the promises of God in him are yea and Amen..

    The Spirit uses the face as a tag. Upper room serves as the face to which the Spirit introduces the creation account thus, 'The Spirit of God moved upon the face of waters."

    We have several instances:

    In the Lucan gospel we have a physical space earmarked where Jesus shared his last supper. "Then you shall say to the master of the house, 'The Teacher says to you, "Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with My disciples?" '/Then he will show you a large, furnished upper room; there make ready.""( Luke 22:7-NKJV).

    Later as commanded by the risen Christ the eleven disciples gathered together in an upper room in Jerusalem to choose a replacement for Judas who betrayed Jesus. They were there to keep the number twelve intact. It provided the command number 12 the doctrine of Christ, which established the spiritual credentials of the nascent church. The promise to them was,"if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven./ For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."(Matt.18-19-20-NKJV)
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    "Similitude" (2 of 2)

    Secondly similitude works because the Son is the heir to all things "that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him."(Col.1:16). During the revolt of Miriam God revealed what Moses was in his sight. "And the similitude of the Lord shall he behold."(Nu.11:8).This is the basis for which we find God sending prophets and messengers who serve as a stand-in for the Son. Thus the memorial in heaven the man refers to Adam as the steward appointed by God an office which was not abolished because Adam was expelled from the Garden of Eden. 'I am the Good Shepherd,' establishes that man shall give an account of his stewardship. Parables of Jesus refers to individual accountability.

    When Jesus speaks of Abraham and the patriarchs it shall be followed on earth as well. "And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven (Matt.8:11)".

    We see predestination had found a place for Jesus to partake his last Passover. ( Luke 22:10-13) In Lucan Gospel he sends his disciples accordingly.

    When Jesus healed it worked as fulfilment of the will of His Father. "He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions (Ps.107:20). Presence of God as upheld by His creation required the agency of man step into the breach as God showed the tree that could heal the bitter waters of Marah. Moses did according to the word of God. So did Elisha and many others. The Spirit of the Son inspired them all. What the Psalmist predicted to the advent of the Son came true. Jesus the man healed the man with palsy at the pool of Bethesda. ( John 5:1-30) His faith completed the transaction. Hypocrisy of the Pharisees faulted him because they only saw the outward observance of God's Rest without really entering into it.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 2 years ago
    Jesus sent his twelve disciples in Matt.10 Twelve refers to the Gospel (of Christ) where as Luke is referring to the end times Seventy 'other disciples' which is preached from mid-heaven. (There is a difference to make the point would require another post) "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"(Re.14:6) In the Bible we have so many instances where the Spirit refers to a specific even and it telescopes into the end times. Refer the verse where God appears to King Solomon second time. (1 Ki.9:3) " I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually." It is referring to the House of Prayer for all nations.

    Now in the Luke version we have a similar construction from vv.17-18 "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name./And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Jesus as the Word become flesh is referring to what the scriptures indicate. "For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me,"( Luke 22:37) Luke's Gospel gives another insight of the Son while the Jewish sensibilities of Matthew gives us yet another.

    Seventy (7x10) number is another cue. 7 is the command number which is used for referring completeness. Where 10 indicates man's life. Thus Jesus fasting forty days and nights or he was seen after he was risen." he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days"(Ac.1:3) God gave 70 elders the spirit that was upon Moses (Nu.11:25)
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Bible Study: Ez.46:8-11 "The Prince"

    When the prince enters, he is to go in through the portico of the gateway, and he is to come out the same way./When the people of the land come before the Lord at the appointed festivals, whoever enters by the north gate to worship is to go out the south gate; and whoever enters by the south gate is to go out the north gate. No one is to return through the gate by which they entered, but each is to go out the opposite gate./

    "And the prince in the midst of them, when they go in, shall go in; and when they go forth, shall go forth.." (Ez.46:10)

    Here the prophet is referring to the Prince of peace, which is Jesus Christ. The key verse is referring to the humanity of the Son, whom God sent to the world. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us," ( John 1:14). The prince is to be among them and he knew what he was there for. So before his death he informs, "For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end."( Luke 22:37), He was appointed to die once, even as they, Prophet Ezekiel speaks of it as go in and going out.

    Now let us consider the manner the Prince enters in v.8. His Advent and Ascension is entirely at odds with how people of the land were to come in or go out. What is special about this?

    In the Acts of the Apostles we hare given the Ascension. "And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;/ Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." (Ac.1:10-11)

    The Prince of peace was sent by God and it is to him he returned. As for the rest, the command is, "No one is to return through the gate by which they entered, but each is to go out the opposite gate."
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Psalm 2:12 (1 of 2

    "Kiss The Son"

    Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

    The Bible as the God document holds everything in the visible world as the mirror image of the mind of God. The worlds framed by the word of God admits nothing else. So the strategy of Satan to rake up kings from the east to do his bidding shall not stand. The Son is the heir to all.("his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;/ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,-He.1:2-3; 11:3)

    In the narrative mode the Spirit brings all events persons and nations in direct frame of reference to the Son.

    How Joab killed Amasa was not a singular act of treachery. (2 Sa.20:8-10).Thus when the Spirit warns 'Kiss the Son' this action is with reference the kiss of Judas Iscariot. "But Jesus asked him, "Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?""( Luke 22:48-NIV). Such betrayal on the part of man has its other side reconciling with him with a kiss. This principle of Similitude we have seen elsewhere. "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other."(Ps.85:10)

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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi David0921,

    Thank you, God, who cannot be tempted of evil, James 1:13 or lie, Titus 1:2. God could not fulfill the law, flesh had to fulfill it because the curse of sin was on flesh. How could you fulfill a law if you were not capable of breaking it? We are told Jesus the Son of God was tempted as we are, Hebrews 4:15. He was made flesh for the suffering of death, Hebrews 2:9.

    2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus had a will of his own but was obedient to the Father, Luke 22:42. Jesus did the works of the Father, John 5:36. Jesus was sent by the Father, John 4:34 John 7:16. Jesus did all the miracles by the Spirit of God that was given to Him without measure, Matt. 12:28 John 3:34, when He was anointed at the Jordan, Mark 1:10 Luke 4:18.

    I hope this is correct forgive me if I am wrong. The Father is God but is not the Son and is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but is not the Father and is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but is not the Father and is not the Son. One God is three coexistent, co-eternal, and co-equal Persons.

    If I may ask. If they are three persons, who is the Father of Jesus the Son of God? Matt. 1:18 Luke 1:35. Jesus many times said He has a God and a Father, Matt. 7:21 Matt. 12:50 John 20:17 2 Cor. 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 1 Peter 1:3. Jesus came in His Father's name, John 5:43.

    My understanding, this is not a mystery that cannot be understood. God is a Spirit, John 4:24 It is His Spirit that dwelleth in us, 1 Cor. 3:16 1 Corinthians 2:10-12. God is Spirit, God is Holy. It is the Spirit of God that is the Holy Spirit.

    Paul never used the Holy Spirit in his salutations. Jesus was begotten by His Father, Heb. 1:5. Jesus said His Father was greater than He John 14:28. Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Oseas - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    Veronicagt7

    No, absolutely no, only who really follows JESUS and believe in Him understand of this I'm testifying. Keeping the sabath is a mere human formality of those who bear false witness through an evil and sectarian spirit, and insists on contradicting what JESUS said.

    JESUS said(I also speak like Him)- Matthew 11: 12-15: -> 13 For all the prophets and the LAW prophesied until John (the Baptist).

    15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

    That said, who really follows JESUS and believe in Him speaks as He speaks because has the Spirit of Christ. JESUS said: John 7:38 - He that believeth on me, as the SCRIPTURE hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. By the way, "if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His"- Romans 8:9.

    Actually, JESUS worked on the Sabbath and the Father also worked- John 5:17.

    The Jews sought the more to kill JESUS, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that GOD was His Father, making himself equal with God- John 5:18.

    Now, in the current time, in this end of the times, the contradicting preachers of the Sabbath keeping sects, try to lead astray and kill the true believers in JESUS by replacing the spirit of Christ that is in them by their sectarian spirit, evil and hypocrite, and they compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, they make him twofold more the child of hell than themselves, as we can see in this present time in those which atend the temple of sects in this current time.

    Be careful or then get ready, for "the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in this latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils- 1Timothy 4:1. (devils? John 6:70-71 and Luke 22:3. Take a look.).
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    God's condescension in Christ

    Philippians 2:2-11 goes through a detailed synopsis of how Christ; a member of the infinite Godhead came to earth and humbled himself to live as a man and to die on a cross. We often focus on how Christ's intimacy with the Father was affected; with the peak of course being at the crucifixion ( Matt. 27:46). The reverse; no doubt would have been excruciating for God the Father as well. For Christ to die for His enemies is beyond our comprehension; but for the Father in His eternal plans to plan on crushing the Son ( Isaiah 53:10) is also beyond our understanding. Yet God was "pleased" to do this!

    The victory was complete; when He said "it is finished" and gave up his spirit at death. ( John 19:30). Death could not overtake Him ( Acts 2:24-32).

    Looking at the entire earthly existence of Christ we see how profoundly He humbled Himself as a servant. One who created the heavens and the earth chose to live with total abandon to the cause; He had no place to rest His head ( Matt. 8:20). No doubt there were transient lodgings as recorded in scripture; the only place where it mentioned Him sleeping was on the boat ( Mark 4:38). Often He was up before dawn praying; and before He chose the 12 Disciples He was up all night ( Luke 6:12). Being the Son of God of course He knew all things; but nonetheless prayer was a key factor indicating communion with God. In the case of Peter Jesus prayed against the Devil's schemes ( Luke 22:32); in that case He knew about Peter's eventual restoration and strengthening of His brothers before the denial at Christ's trial took place. Doubtless He also prayed similar ways for the others; and clearly in these passages He knew all would betray Him as the prophecies indicate ( Matt. 26:31 from prophecy in Zech. 13:7). He also demonstrated the ultimate care for His mother ( John 19:25-29); but always put God above men's desires ( Matt. 12:46-50).

    Hebrews 4:15 allows Him to intercede ( Heb. 7:25).
  • Leed - 2 years ago
    Does this spirit control the world to this day, and did they use the state to torcher and murder Jesus Christ? Revelation 2:9s bankers, Ashkenazi, Zionists, corporate owners and heads, government corporation owners etc. Luke 22:43-71 and Chapter 23, Using 1 Timothy 6:10 etc. Why does using a strongs concordance for the word "god" in Genisis 1 and 2 say Elohym and not God all mighty or other name used for Jehovah God of heaven? The word magistrates are gods, but Lucifer is a god? Did we fall for the bate and get trapped on earth that is under his control? And why does the world not see the divining serpent in English better known as the Jesuit controlled Vati can in Latin with all her secret societies (Tapped Freemasonry etc.). The Latin to English translators online were all altered around March 2023 to hide this information? Her priests praise Lucifer and the dawning of his creation (the earth) every Easter Sunday on the first day of the week when the Sabbath is on the seventh day of the week. The large alter gives hidden messages in symbolic form. In John 14:15 red letters, Jesus is saying If ye love me, keep my commandments. So, grace and the law (Commandments) because we love God and want to follow Him and not one or the other? So, starting to understand but need more information, thank you, I know that this is a lot to figure out.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.

    By way of recap we're comparing the way these two groups interpret the scripture surrounding the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.

    Part 5.

    In Hosea 3:4-5. before the Babylonian captivity, it was predicted: "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or Prince...

    "Afterward SHALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

    Hosea 3:5

    Also;

    Amos 9:11.

    Zachariah 14:4.

    Zachariah 14:9.

    This of is not a contradiction of the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant, but is a part of the same picture.

    and many more OT references.

    LET'S REVIEW THE NEW TESTAMENT.

    According to Luke 1:30-33 the angel Gabriel told Mary that she is to be the mother of Christ and Christ will reign on the throne of His father David over the house of Jacob.

    To Mary "the house of Jacob" could mean only one thing and that is the descendants of Jacob, namely, the twelve tribes of Israel.

    It seems the disciples and others anticipated much the same kind of a literal fulfillment.

    Matthew 19:28.

    Matthew 20:20-21.

    Luke 22:29-30.

    Acts 1:6-7. The disciples were still anticipating an earthly kingdom and hoped for its immediately.

    Christ did not say that their hope was vain and that there was not going to be a literal fulfillment. He replied: "It is not for you to know the times or seasons, which the Father hath set within his own authority."

    But He directs their attention to the immediately task before them, and to the power of the Holyspirit Spirit and proclaim the Gospel to the whole world.

    Now this is where the line is drawn from dealing with Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Confirming verses at the council in Jerusalem in Acts 15:13-17.

    More on this later.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Abrahamic Covenant.

    Part 4.

    The Abrahamic Covenant also included a promise of blessing and redemption ( Genesis 12:3). All the earth would be blessed through Abraham. This promise finds its fulfillment in the New Covenant ( Jeremiah 31:31-34; cf. Luke 22:20), which was ratified by Jesus Christ, the son of Abraham and Redeemer who will one day "restore everything" ( Acts 3:21).

    Five times in Genesis 12, as God is giving the Abrahamic Covenant, He says, "I will." Clearly, God takes the onus of keeping the covenant upon Himself. The covenant is unconditional. One day, Israel will repent, be forgiven, and be restored to God's favor ( Zechariah 12:10-14; Romans 11:25-27). One day, the nation of Israel will possess the entire territory promised to them. One day, the Messiah will return to set up His throne, and through His righteous rule the whole world will be blessed with an abundance of peace, pleasure, and prosperity.

    There will have an article highlighting the Abrahamic Covenant.

    THAT BRINGS US TO THE DAVIDIC COVENANT.

    The Davidic Covenant refers to God's promises to David through Nathan the prophet and is found in 2 Samuel 7 and later summarized in 1 Chronicles 17:11-14 and 2 Chronicles 6:16. This is an unconditional covenant made between God and David through which God promises David and Israel that the Messiah (Jesus Christ) would come from the lineage of David and the tribe of Judah and would establish a kingdom that would endure forever. The Davidic Covenant is unconditional because God does not place any conditions of obedience upon its fulfillment. The surety of the promises made rests solely on God's faithfulness and does not depend at all on David or Israel's obedience.

    NEXT.

    See the Davidic Covenant.
  • Jimbob - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Jesse. You didn't ask me the question but I saw this in Scripture and thought I would share it with you if you don't mind. It may be helpful in someone's understanding on this topic. In ( Acts. 1:16-20) These verses are clearly speaking of Judas Iscariot and in ( Acts. 1:20) We are told "For it is written in the book of Psalms. ((Let his habitation be desolate))". Where is this written? It's written in ( Psalms 69:25-28) Now we look at ( Ps. 69:25) It says "Let their habitation be desolate" ( Ps. 69:28) Says "Let them be (blotted) out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. The word (blotted) is #4229; it means to erase, abolish, blot out, destroy, utterly, wipe, (away, out). I think this means his name was written in the book of the living at one point. The reason these verses say the words (their) and (them) could be because its speaking not only of Judas Iscariot but also of the other (son of perdition) Judas was the first son of perdition in ( Jn. 17:12) The second (son of perdition) is in ( 2 Thess 2:3-4) This son of perdition is the antichrist who will be revealed in the Lastdays. The first (son of perdition) Judas was possessed by Satan in ( Luke 22:3) and ( Jn 13:27) Then we have (Eccle. 1:9) Which says "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be" The first son of perdition was possessed by Satan so the second (son of perdition) in ( 2 Thess 2:3-4) will also be possessed by Satan, there is no new thing under the sun. Any thoughts on this Jesse? I'm apologize if I am intruding. God Bless.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Luke 22:32 seems to be a reference related to this one; one version states "when you are converted" before mentioning strengthening the brethren. In that case; Christ would be the one who is foreseeing Peter's betrayal; but knows ultimately as one of God's children; that he will be restored and in fact a pillar in the development of the church. So it would appear that conversion doesn't always have to be a one time experience when we first come to the knowledge of salvation and in time and space are "saved." We should also examine carefully our confession by examining ourselves to see if we are in the faith. ( 2 Cor. 13:5). We could say the same for repentance as well; it is necessary for us to deliberately turn from our ways following sin; yet God Himself "grants us" the gift of repentance. (see 2 Timothy 2:25 and Acts 11 and several other passages). If we rebuke a wise man ( Proverbs 9:7) we get good results; with a mocker in the next verse; not so.

    As the parable of the sower and seeds indicates; we must reach fruit production to indicate that we are truly abiding in Him; therefore we must pass the test of trials and temptations after our initial "conversion" experience; God chastises all those He loves.
  • Ronald Whittemore - 3 years ago
    Did Jesus eat the Passover? Tradition or scripture? Does it matter? For study not to offend.

    Passover Day when the lambs were killed is the 14th of Abib/Nisan. Exodus 12:3-33 Leviticus 23:5 Numbers 33:1-3 Mark 14:12 Luke 22:7

    The 15th of Abib/Nisan is the first day of the 7-day Unleavened Bread Feast, first day and the last day are Sabbath days, it starts at sundown and is when they ate the Passover and after midnight they left Egypt. Numbers 33:1-3 Deuteronomy 16:1-8

    From the Last Supper to the burial, Matt. 26:17-75 Matt. 27:1-61 Mark 14:12-72 Mark 15:1-47 Luke 22:1-71 Luke 23:1-56 John 13:1-38 through John 19:1-42.

    This day started at sunset. On this day we have Jesus and his disciples going into the guest chamber, they ate a meal, Jesus initiated the New Covenant, they sang songs, Jesus washed their feet, and they were there for hours. They went to Gethsemane where Jesus prayed, Judas came with the priests and a band of men and officers,

    They took Jesus to Annias and Caiaphas and was judged. Then early that morning they took Him to Pilate and Herod and back and they said crucify Him. They nailed Jesus to the cross the 3rd hour, 9 AM, Jesus died at the 9th hour, 3 PM, and was put in the tomb, all this in one day, before the sunset, the 14th of Abib/Nisan Passover day.

    In Luke 22:14-16 Jesus told them He was not going to eat this Passover with them. In John 18:28 they would not go in the hall, they would be defiled because they have not eaten the Passover, and later that day they had to catch the blood and put it on the altar.

    The Passover meal was eaten after sunset and before midnight, the 15th of Abib/Nisan, Jesus was in the tomb.

    Jesus was the Passover Lamb and the First and the Last. He was nailed to the cross at the same time the first Tamid Lamb was sacrificed, all the sin sacrifices were put on top and He died at the same time the last Tamid Lamb was sacrificed and put on top.

    Hopefully, this is enough to study.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • GIGI - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Trinity,

    You can read in Matthew 26:27 the other disciples asked, :Lord, is it I? Same for Mark 14:19, Luke 22:23. John 13:21-27 gives the most information about the response of the other disciples. But the question of who it might be was quickly shown to be Judas (verse 27).


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