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Hi Jeanie,

From my understanding and experience Catholics and some Protestants celebrate what they call Holy Week which includes: Palm Sunday (Jesus' triumphant entry into Jerusalem - Luke 19:28-40), the Last Supper on Thursday ( Luke 22:7-38); Jesus' agony in the garden, betrayal, trial, scourging, and crucifixion ( Luke 22:39-23:1-49), his burial and entombment,, ( Luke 23:50-55), and His Resurrection from the dead ( Luke 24:1-12; Matt. 28; Mk. 16; Jn 20-21), but not the Passover in the sense that the jews celebrate it. This week of celebration is pointedly centered on Jesus our Savior, which the Jews do not celebrate because they reject Jesus as the Messiah. The Passover is a memorial of the passing over of the Israelites in Egypt by the angel of death and the hasty meal before they fled from Egypt (In Exodus).

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. -- notice it says branch in me.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. --- This is Jesus its not my opinion (fire)

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art (converted), strengthen thy brethren.--- Peter you must not cut off people ear --

John 18:36 if my kingdom were of this world my servants would fight

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

We make mistakes, but a Christian stops lying, steeling, killing, adultery, + the other commandments

I think if you trace out commentaries on Judas in the Gospels and Acts you get the answers to both of your questions.

The set of scriptures that speak about Judas before he committed himself to betray Jesus are: Mark 3:13-19, Luke 6:13-16, John 6:61-71

The event that triggered Judas to act on his decision to betray Jesus: Matthew 26:6-16, Mark 14:3-11, John 12:3-8

Judas identified as betrayer at the last supper: Matthew 26:20-25, Mark 14:17-21, Luke 22:21-22, John 13:18-31

Once his betrayal was set in motion: John 17:9-12

At the betrayal: Matthew 26:45-50, Mark 14:40-46, Luke 22:45-48, John 18:1-9

After completing his betrayal: Matthew 27:3-10, Acts 1:16 and Acts 1:20

We must acknowledge Jn 2:24-25 was true of Christ before He chose any of His disciples. He was never deceived by anyone that temporarily followed him but fell away, including Judas, John 6:64. No prophet had been in Israel for centuries, so Christ alone had this ability when He came until Pentacost. After Pentacost the hearts of certain individuals could be revealed by Christ's Spirit to born again believers that are specially given that gift, such as Peter ( Acts 5:1-13, Acts 8:1-25) Note, Jusas, Ananias and Saphira, and Simon all had their hearts exposed as false thru their follies with money.

Judas was a disciple and he was broken off the vine, but he never had the fruit of the Holy Spirit and was never pronounced pruned/cleaned by the Father or Jesus. We know this because Judas was broken off by the Father before Jesus told the disciples they were pruned/cleaned branches abiding in Him, the true vine, who would bear fruit in John 15. Judas was marked unclean, he was never born again of the Spirit at Pentacost or made an Apostle for the great commission. He died a disciple without the fruitful presence of the Holy Spirit. He is proof that false fruitless brethren can be among us who depart 1 Jn 2:18-20, but not proof some are broken off by God who actually bear fruit by abiding in Jesus.

My opinion is there's nothing wrong with that phrase and think it shows humility and sensitivity to the will of God. It's similar to what Jesus said in Luke 22:42.

One could ask: isn't everything God's will anyway since He's always in control isn't praying for God's will redundant?

I believe God is powerful enough to intervene and powerful enough to change His mind based on our interactions with Him, and believe He fully gave us freewill and that we're not mere robots following a script. With that being said, I think living a prayerful life in humility as a servant trying our best to follow Jesus through obedience and asking for God's will to be done seems like a sign of a healthy Christ-follower to me. God bless you.

and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

Again, whether metaphorical or literal, things were becoming dangerous. We can at least assume that Jesus does not call us to total pacifism at all costs. In a moment they would point out that they had two swords already. This tells us that a) Jesus had not prohibited them from carrying swords up to then, and b) When Jesus said, "That's enough" ( Luke 22:38) it shows that he is not expecting them to go to literal war against the Romans or the Jews, but could be an exasperated statement, although it doesn't always get interpreted and read that way.

Mishael: I think Jesus was saying, you don't have enough swords to fight everybody off as he went forward to fulfill his Ministry on earth.

Some could say to us, I'm dying. We say and do things to not allow that to happen: exploratory medicine, best surgeon, best hospital etc.

We all, do not think of death the same ways. We should pray and ask, if we can do that.

Luke 22:36

Great reply Ronald.

I believe all through the scripture it supports the view the Holyspirit empowers the believer and as the scriptures you pointed out it took the dwelling of the Holyspirit to perform in them to minister under this new covenant. You see it in the life of Peter here in Luke 22:32. When was Peter strengthened and start to perform? It's obvious in scripture after he was empowered. Christ was preaching his death and resurrection, but they couldn't receive it. In Luke 18:31-34. he declared to them what the Prophets has written, and they still couldn't grasp it because it hidden from them.

Also, in John 16:12-14. seems to suggest the same thing. The preaching of the Cross was hidden from their eyes, and it seems Paul is mentioning the same thing throughout his epistles speaking of the natural man. 1 Corinthians 2:7-14.

The Holyspirirt is essential for understand and walk. Once he reveals his truth to us they're written on our hearts it takes him to exercise those truths in us and perfect our walk. we respond to the truth by the power of the Holyspirit, likewise the Apostles.

For it is God which worketh in you both to "will" and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63.

The bible is not like our textbooks in school, what we have here has to be revealed to you, 1 Corinthians 1:18-21.

Also: 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.

You see the Holyspirits power over the flesh in Romans 8:1-14.

You see the Holyspirirt working in us through baptism given us power to cease from sin in Romans 6:1-18.

You see the contrast of the two natures in Romans 7:1-6. and so on. Here we see the contrast of what we had when we were under the law compared to what we have in Christ.

God bless.

Matthew 22:45, Hebrews 10, Hebrews 1, Colossians 3:1, Mark 16:19, 1 Peter 3:22, Acts 5:31,

Luke 22:69, Psalms 110:1, Psalms 110:4, later referenced to clarify Jesus' priesthood Genesis 14:18, Hebrews 7,

Psalms 110:5-6

Hopefully these scripture references are helpful.

1 Corinthians 11:24-31

Luke 22:19

My humble understanding of the scriptures:-).

I think it's about remembering what Jesus did on the cross. How He suffered and was bruised and bled. That must never be forgotten. No no no. On the contrary Jesus wants us to remember His Sacrifice for us often. He says take communion often in remembrance of Him. I don't know of any scripture that says you can't do that alone. I have been doing it alone. So if anybody knows of any scripture that says you can't do that alone please share it.

I cry when I take communion. When I remember what Jesus did and what he went through and the heaviness of the sin that He carried to the cross on behalf of every soul that lives or ever has lived or will live. I couldn't even stand under the weight of my own sin. I think it's about remembering. Until He comes.

Also, I believe that you should not take the communion unworthily;

1Corinthians 11:27-31

in doing so the Bible says you will bring sickness and death to yourself. So I always pray and ask the Lord to forgive any sin in my life, examining my own heart, before I take the communion and I don't take it carelessly or lightly. But that's just me.

I haven't heard anybody holding communion at church teach on this part of preparing yourself for the communion so that you may not bring sickness and death unto yourself .

But once again that's my interpretation of the Scriptures. Please don't take my word for it read the Scriptures and pray and ask God for understanding.

:-)Blessings

Recently, I was pondering in my mind with the LORD about this account & I knew there would be a discussion about this. For some of us it's easier to fight, much more difficult to submit to circumstances beyond our control; especially when it's unjust. I relate with Peter. I was thinking how Peter had come to the realization the Jesus was the CHRIST, MESSIAH. Jesus had just said : Luke 22:27-30.

Is there much more knowledge we're supposed to get from this?

Luke 22:36, Luke 22:38, 2 swords enough? Do you think Jesus was being literal or testing them? Do you feel the act of aggregation saved the Disciples? John 18:8-9, ( I've thought that) but look at: John 18:10. "Then._." it seems to be after Jesus had already set their pardon.

Luke 22:40,42, Luke 22:43-46, Matthew 26:36-44, Mark 14:33-39, Zechariah 13:7, ( Mark 14:27 , Matthew 26:56 )

Matthew 16:15-27,

* Mark 14:27, offended? Matthew 26:33-35,

Mark 14:42-50, Luke 22:47-51, John 18:10-11, Matthew 26:50-52, Were they offended because Jesus didn't fight, nor let them? after He had said to get swords? Would we be offended if Jesus healed our enemy, we thought we were defending Him from? Then rebuke them/Peter or us openly? John 18:6, Matthew 26:53,

Luke 22:54, John 18:15, Why did Peter follow? Luke 22:33, Where is our strength? In our flesh & resolve, or GOD & HIS will?

Mark 14:29-31,

Luke 22:55-62,

Matthew 10:17-22, Matthew 10:28-34,

Acts 12:1-12,

Romans 8:34-39,

Ephesians 6:10-18,

Do you think it was much easier to fight? Matthew 26:41, Luke 22:32,

Isaiah 55:8-9,

Verse 35 Jesus was saying how things were when he had been with them. Jesus in Verse 36 tells them he is giving them a change of orders.. (but now let him.. take his money back pack of gear, (i.e. script, where the word conscript comes from for a soldier, con meaning with and script a soliders backpack.) And their sword. Verse 37. He says this because it must be that the profesies about the crusifiction (numbers among the transgressors.. i.e. the thieves on either side of him on the cross) must be fufilled and this is his marching orders of how he wants us to be as we fulfill the great commission that he gave before he left. Sadly many Christian no longer follow Jesus Christ commandments to carry cash, backpack first aid and survival gear, and a sword (pistol or personal defences weapon/rifle etc) when every they go anywhere. I wonder how many people needlessly died because of disobeance of Christians unable to help those in need or heathen where provoked and encouraged to sin by attacking Christian's because following this command isn't common place. When old testament saints did this in Nehemiahs day agression and attacks were averted.

Zetta11

Yes, Jesus said that he will eat and drink in the Kingdom, so yes, we should eat and drink with Him!

Luke 22:16-18

16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

God Bless

Matthew 20:23 answers your question quite plainly, God the Father has prepared a seat on His right hand for His Son Jesus,

Matthew 20:23 "And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father."

Mark 10:40 "But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared."

Mark 16:19 "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God."

Luke 12:32 "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

Luke 22:24-30 "And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;" "That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Hi Catherine. I think you're referring to what is commonly termed, 'Oneness Pentecostalism', or more familiarly, 'Jesus Only Movement'. That is a particular branch of pentecostalism that is not widely accepted even amongst pentecostals. As you asked, "anyone here Believe "Jesus IS God"?" Many of us here would agree with you with that statement, but I also know that Oneness teaching is that the Triune God is manifested in Heaven as Jesus only - to this most would disagree.

The primary reason for my disagreement would be, that Jesus, whether on Earth or in Heaven, is seen as distinct from His Father - Father God never disappears or is infused in His Son. While on Earth, Jesus always spoke to His Father (John chapter 17 is but one example). And after His Resurrection & Ascension back into Heaven, we read that He is at the Father's right Hand ( Acts 7:55; Colossians 3:1; Luke 22:69; Hebrews 10:12; etc.). So with all these before us in God's Word, it would be difficult to argue for three separate Beings within the Godhead, being found in the one Jesus.

I would be quite happy if you wanted to present your case to show otherwise - you won't be considered a trouble-maker - but a sister who wants to express her belief from the Scriptures & from experience. And the matters of being water baptized only in Jesus' Name and speaking in tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, have been discussed at length here as well. To find those discussions, go to the Advanced Search, typing in (e.g. tongues, water baptism) & then click on 'Discussions' - hopefully you'll get an idea of what has been discussed already. And you'll even find some who are in agreement with your understanding of these topics.

Bro David the verse was Luke 22:36-38 not Roman's 10:9 or Luke 1-24.

Eljer,

Luke 22:36, Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets, this that Jesus asked them to do was in a prophecy given to Isaiah 53:12. In Luke 22:37-38, He tells them why and the swords they had would be enough, then in verse 52, we see they came with swords and spears as against a thief. Jesus was also put on the cross between two thieves, Matthew 27:38. Even the least of the prophecies not obvious, Jesus fulfilled them all.

May this be enough to answer your question.

God bless,

RLW

Luke 22:36 and 38. This of course is a command and is ignored by preachers and laymen. They will take out of context a little later that night when Peter chops off the servants ear with that same sword and Jesus says (paraphrase) if you live by the sword you will die by it). He had just commanded them earlier to get a sword he was not contradicting himself but saying I came into the world for this and if you try to stop it you will die.

Why do Pastors and laymen avoid Luke 22:36? It is a command!

Cami,

Interesting question: there is a lot in this night leading up to Jesus being taken and sacrificed if we take Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John not just one. Many assume the last supper was a Passover meal, but Jesus tells us, He will not eat that Passover before he suffered, which would be the next night.

Luke 22:15-16 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luke tells us Jesus would not drink until the kingdom of God comes, Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

So, it is after Jesus' second coming and the battle, then Jesus sets up the kingdom on earth. not in heaven.

God bless,

RLW

John 11:55, Mark 14:12, John 6:4, Luke 22:1,

John 12:1,12,13, John 13:1-2,

Matthew 27:15,

1st Sabbath being the Passover feast.

Exodus 12,

2nd Sabbath Matthew 28:1,

Psalms 81:3, also significant Mark 15:33, total solar Eclipse, New moon?

We should be careful not to follow after traditions set up by men, but Study to understand. Colossians 2:8, Matthew 15:3, Mark 7:9

Why would Jesus rebuke them over tradition? Because even today it causes doubt, & confusion amongst the church.

Hopefully these scriptures are helpful. GOD's WORD is truth.

Tradition is not 100% reliable.

Dear brother, U said it soo thru. Its evan soo that Golgata today is inside the city. Not outside as it was before when Jesus hang on the cross. Many more places is twisted around in Jerusalem. It is the devil who have made confusion for christian ppl. We need too look up in the Spirit sometimes during the day. Not always see white and black letters. What did Jesus said example in

Luke 22:67

Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:

Soo the clue here is that the Holy Spirit tell us today. And if we not see or hear Him in the heart now! How can some then belive that we shall see Him after? He is with us today, and stay with us the rest of our life. Whom will go from Him? And is not willing to live in the love that God gives, i said poor poor people

1 Thessalonians

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Stay blessed in His holy name Jesus Christ.

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Thank you for your comments brother Earl. We could spend all day, even weeks, discussing what you believe from the reading of the Scriptures & what I believe. So, I'm not even going to try dealing with all the points you raised, except for a couple.

1 Corinthians 6:2 speaks about the saints judging the world. The purpose, manner & application of that time of judgement is known only to the Lord; what we do know is that we will sit in judgement of the world with the Lord Jesus as Paul said, and as Jesus said to His disciples ( Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30).

You wrote: "Did not Christ's blood cover all sins of all the world?" True, His Blood availed for every sin of every person, for the shedding of His Son's Blood was God's requirement that our representation in judgement & punishment be borne by His Son. If we stood before God's Court, we would be found absolutely guilty, but His Love was so great that He sent us His Son, our Substitute, to pay our price in our stead.

Then we should ask, 'what is the punishment we would have suffered by this Divine Court?' Can it be only death & the grave, as you believe? As sinners (saved or unsaved), we all have to face death - that is our lot - no escape, lest the Lord intervenes by His Coming. Then was the price paid for our forgiveness & ransom simply to retrieve ALL from the grave? This would be a nice thought & hope that all sinners, no matter how evil they might be, will one day find eternal life with Jesus & reign with Him. But that very hope is unfounded for several reasons. (continued).

Hey GIGI,

I am with you, we may not ever know when Jesus was born, Earl is close on the month, but the only thing Jesus said to do in remembrance of Him was at the last super, Luke 22:19. Scripture does let us know when Jesus came, the year He was baptized. Luke 3:1-6 when John the Baptist came. Tiberius Caesar was emperor from 14-37 A.D. Pontius Pilate ruled from 26-36 A.D. so the fifteenth year of Tiberius would have been 29 A.D. start of John the Baptist ministry.

This may have been in the late summer or early fall, Jesus came up from Galilee to Jordan to be baptized and the Spirit of God descending upon him, Matt. 3:13-17 Mark 1:911 Luke 3:21-22. Then Jesus went into the wilderness for forty days, tempted by Satan, then collecting the twelve.

In John 2, Jesus was in Cana of Galilee at the wedding and after in John 2:13, the Passover was at hand. This would place it just before spring of 30 A.D. There are four Passovers recorded in John, John 2:13 John 5:1 John 6:4 John 19:14, Jesus was crucified on the fourth. John 6:4 is in question if it was a Passover, or another required feast. May this help.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Beverly Campbell. Jesus was telling them that he was going to be crucified and taken. That the disciples would have to go to battle spiritually with the word which is sharper than any two edged sword.

Hebrews 4:12 says, "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." ... His Word is the ultimate truth, and we can find confidence in knowing it is our greatest weapon.

I hope this helps.

Mark 14:30-53, Mark 14:38, Mark 13:35-37, Mark 14:27, Mark 14:47, * John 18:4, John 18:4-13, * John 18:9-10, did Peter have to show they knew how to fight to accomplish this? Was the presence of the swords enough? Matthew 26:31-56, Luke 22:31-32, Luke 22:40, Luke 22:49, did Peter react out of pressure & fear & fleshly assumption? Luke 22:50-54, moments before, HE, Jesus had reminded them while with HIM, they lacked nothing Luke 22:35, was it the test? How Peter would react; if he would trust in his sword or GOD ALMIGHTY? did Jesus say about the swords because HE already knew, there was already swords with them? Then said it was enough when there were only 2? Luke 22:28,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study.

Sometimes using the Commentary Section on this website helps with answers.

Wesley's Notes for Luke 22:38

Here are two swords - Many of Galilee carried them when they travelled, to defend themselves against robbers and assassins, who much infested their roads. But did the apostles need to seek such defence? And he said; It is enough - I did not mean literally, that every one of you must have a sword.

People's Bible Notes for Luke 22:38

Here [are] two swords. How they come to be in their possession is not told. It is enough. This is a dismissal of the subject, not a warrant for their use. That was rebuked when Peter resorted to one ( Mt 26:52-54).

Yes, though I have read the passage many times, I am curious about the significance of the two swords.

Luke 22: V: 38:

And they said, Lord behold, here are two swords."

And Jesus said, It is enough?"

Exodus 15:6

Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

Luke 22:69

Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Mark 14:62

And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Matthew 26:64

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Hebrews 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Acts 7:55

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Psalms 118:16

The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

Colossians 3:1

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

He didn't mean the crucifixion , he was pleading for people of the last days an the wrath , for he knows there will be so many that are deceived, an they're not going to be in good spiritual shape ,.. even on the cross itself he quoted scripture,.. he truly taught, right to that 9 th hour ,.. always keeping us , in mind , an loving ways

As I read this chapter I see the footage of the Passion of the Christ in my head.

Remove this cup from me father if it be your will not mine. This tells me Jesus didn't want to go through with it. Asking for another way.

This book has more detail than previous book of Mathew and Mark.