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Rick

I was responding to what you said in your post. "They had no spiritual understanding of what he was communicating until they were born again at Pentecost." The text does not say that they were born again at Pentecost. They were believers before Pentecost and were gathered together as Jesus instructed, praying and praising God. In John 20:22J, Jesus breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit does not indwell un-regenerated people.

I believe that what Jesus spoke happened at that moment. What happened at Pentecost was another work of the Holy Spirit that happens after conversion.

You and others have repeatedly spoken that salvation comes when one confesses with one's mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. I am pretty sure that the disciples had done this as a result of their experience with the risen Lord before He ascended. The Scripture nowhere says that an experience such as at Pentecost is the means of salvation. It is what God brings to already regenerated persons

So, for me, I believe that Jesus gave the disciples the teaching and understanding they needed to believe the gospel and take the gospel to the world prior to His ascension. The power to perform miracles, speak in tongues, and to be courageous in the face of opposition and persecution came at Pentecost. That is my point in responding to what you pointed about these disciples. You spoke as if you knew for sure that they were unsaved prior to Pentecost because, I believe as you seem to imply that that experience is the means of salvation rather than that in Romans 10, that you have often cited as the means of salvation.

Therefore, I understand what you said about the natural and spiritual man. You assumed that the disciples were not reborn and therefore had not a spiritual man in them. I contend that they did. I think Jesus was more than able to accomplish all that was needed in is disciples before He ascension. God Bless.

Gigi I never stated what you responded to, 1 Corinthians states the natural man mane receiveth not the

things of the spirit of God neither can he know them. The bible says they didn't understand until pentecost

spiritually, that's why Jesus christ said to Peter Flesh and Blood has not revealed who I am to you.

Rick

You cannot possibly say you know what the apostles knew and understood before Pentecost. The Scripture said that Jesus expounded the Scriptures fro Mosrs on to that present time, teaching them and equipping them to be ready to preach the gospel when the Spirit empowered them at Pentecost.

I just don't think we are in a place to evaluate what the apostles knew and understood.

Only Jesus knew that.

These men were by far heads above most of us, having walked with Jesus for three years and having met with Him repeatedly between the resurrection and Ascension. I don't think Jesus was ineffective in His teaching nor without the power to effect understanding in th before Pentecost. These men went on to be martyred. We've got nothing on them, in my opinion

Johnny They had no spiritual understanding of what he was communicating until they were born again

at pentecost, which is also why basically being around Him was almost always and behold! Wake up and

observe the power of God on display I.E. you have seen me have seen the work of the Father!

What did it mean when said these things are hidden from them

May God comfort your heart in this time of grief. I may not understand the hurt you are feeling but the Lord knows and He understands your tears. Continue to pray and tell Him your pain. He listens. [ Luke 18:1-8] May you find strength, healing and peace.

Precious friend asked:

Can someone get salvation of our Lord Jesus Christ in any of the four ways:

1. Praying prayer of salvation? Yes, Biblical Luke 18:13-14, if one "believes The Gospel Of GRACE (CHRIST Died for sin, was buried, And Rose Again, According To The Scriptures)" 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, By God's GRACE Through faith Ephesians 2:8-9, (belief) "with the heart" Romans 10:9

IF "NO belief," then, No, praying a prayer is useless.

2. Taking Holy Communion? No, 'tradition' for salvation is UNbelief. The LORD's Supper is simply a "Commemoration" for believers Only, to 'figuratively' "show The LORD's Death Til HE Comes!" 1 Corinthians 11:26

3. Receiving the word of God when preached? No, receiving The Word, but NOT believing It, is not salvation, But, receiving God's Word Of Truth With Glad BELIEF would be Eternal Life!

4. Getting Healed? No. Not salvation, see above.

Precious friend, Thanks for asking Important Bible questions.

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Our own spirits testify it's wrong unless there is real danger of harm towards the child/children.

Cases of injustice : Ecclesiastes: 5:8,

In the case of violence : Psalms 140:1,

Ephesians: 6:1, (how can a child obey a parent in the LORD if alienated?) Colossians 3:20,

This scripture might also be fitting for the situation. GOD knows all.

Romans 1:28-31

Encouragement :

Luke 18:27-30

Hopefully these are helpful.

Please read these:

John 10:1-4, John 10:7, John 10:9, John 10:11, John 10:14-17, John 10:25-30, John 10:32, John 10:34-38,

1 Corinthians 8:2-6

1 John 5:1-21,

John 17:1-11 * , John 17:12-21 *, John 17:21, John 17:22, John 17:23, John 17:24-26,

1 John 4:1-8, John 16:23,24,25,26,27,28

1 Timothy 2:3,5,6,

Romans 15:5-7,13,16,17

Ephesians 4:32,

Luke 18:19, Mark 10:18,

Matthew 16:15, Matthew 16:16-17

James 1:5

Hopefully these fully answer your question about Jesus, GOD & The HOLY Spirit.

Interesting insight very encouraging for moments we are going forward in that perspective.

I've thought of it many times as even though knowing the outcome Paul through Jesus' example was able to face adversity regardless of the outcome. Luke 9:22, Luke 9:44, Luke 18:31-33, Matthew 16:21-27, Matthew 17:22-23, Mark 8:31-38,

John 21:15-19,

Old Testament 2 Kings 2:1,2,3,5,9,11,12,

LUKE 6

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: FORGIVE, and ye shall be forgiven

LUKE 18: 9-14

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [a sinner]

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, GOD, BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.

[Do we ever consider how blessed we are that THE ELECTION PASSED TO THE GENTILES??

Have we ever considered the Jews who lived and died throughout the Holocaust? "Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem" is not a plea. It's a strong request by The Lord.

I read a prophesy by Arthur E Bloomfield, who said that the United States would do something so heinous that the Entire World would Turn Against Us. (Back in the 70's). We're here. It's happening. Our soldiers have been betrayed. The world views us as WEAK; from the White House, all the way down.

WHO WILL RISE UP TO DEFEND OUR FLAG, OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS ??!!

VOTE & MAKE SURE IT GETS COUNTED THIS NEXT TIME.

They didn't teach that in High School did they?

He never sleeps, who watches over Israel.

DIANNE

It is also written,And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;and then shall the END come.Yes,he that shall endure unto the END,the same shall be saved.Mat.24:13-14

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh,shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:8. In fact, the earth is infested of apostasy,and unbelieving,and the abominable,and murderers,and whoremongers,and sorcerers,and idolaters,and all liars,they shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.THE WORD IS GOD.

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; but the WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM. John 3v.35-36-The Word is GOD.

Now, even now, in this moment, is fulfilling LITERALLY the Word of GOD: Luke 17:v.26-29:- 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise

also as it was in the days of Lot;they did eat, they drank,they bought,they sold,they planted,they builded;29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven,and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in this Day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luke 13:23-27

24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many,I say unto you,will seek to enter in,and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up,and HAS SHUT TO THE DOOR,and ye begin to stand without,and to knock at the door, saying, Lord,Lord,open unto us;and he shall answer and say unto you,I know you not whence ye are:26...We have eaten and drunk in thy presence,and thou hast taught in our streets.27But he shall say,I tell you I know you not whence ye are;depart from me all ye workers of iniquity.

CARLTON BANKS

The Word is GOD.

The two witnesses are not the 144K, neither Elijah, nor Moses, nor Enoch, as have been invented by the spirit of man.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches.

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:v.8

For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Mark 9:v.49

LUKE 18:v.8 - Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

1 Timothy 4- 1-2

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

2 Thessalonians 2:v.1-4 - Around two thousand years ago, Paul Apostle wrote:

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

JESUS warned: Matthew 24:v.3-8&15&21

3 ... the disciples came unto JESUS privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and (1) WHAT SHALL BE THE SIGN OF THY COMING? (2) and of THE END OF THE WORLD? ---> the current Devil's world.

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but THE END IS NOT YET.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and PESTILENCES, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation...stand in the holy place-Jerusalem-(whoso readeth, let him understand: )

21 For then shall be great tribulation...22 except these days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved...

Thank you Roy, glory to God... I really love that original comment by Kenneth. I'm not sure but he may be very close to the Kingdom of heaven. His comment reminded me of the "poor sinner" in Luke 18:13, "And the publican standing afar off would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner" and Jesus' amazing view of him, "I tell you, this man will go down to his house justified...." The longer I walk in Him, the more I glory in my own nothingness. It is an amazing grace, to know the depth of our own sin, that the glory of Christ may rest upon us. Only we must not fall for the temptation to look at ourselves and hate ourselves. That sad state can last years! But our eyes fully on Christ, the Holy Spirit reveals how the Blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin, and by faith Today we receive it. Sometimes when I go hiking, and up onto this high hill in the mountains I go, and I say these scriptures out loud to the wind, and shout them, and the truth of it sinks in. God Bless you!

Brothers and Sisters,

If just believing in Jesus Christ will get you to heaven please reconcile these bible scriptures:

Luke 18:19-25

19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 20Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. 21And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. 22Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 23And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. 24And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 25For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Why did Jesus tell the man to take further action if he wanted to reach the kingdom of God? We must not only believe in Jesus Christ. but we must live our lives accordingly. Not easy to do.but no free ticket. We must also take action - according to Jesus.

More scripture below confirming that attaining heaven will not be an easy task:

Matthew 7:13

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"

Many people will take the path to destruction.

Today, there are way to many pastors and multitudes of people believing that they can just believe in Jesus Christ and continue to live their worldly lives

Something to think about.

God Bless

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. 18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and DO NOT the things which I say?

The first consideration is the realization that one of God's greatest desires is the salvation of all mankind. God's desire is clearly stated.

The Great Commission in Matthew 28:19 says, Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.

This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth ( 1 Timothy 2:3-4).

It is God's desire that all should be saved. He loves you so much that He gave His one and only son as a ransom to pay for our sins.

Why pray

We should, we must, pray for the Salvation of others. What we are doing is asking God to move in their lives. Jesus said that He came to "seek and to save the lost" ( Luke 19:10). Jesus does the seeking and the Holy Spirit opens their heart. If you want to see someone's heart healed and their eternal future secured, you must be praying. Pray helps open the door to Jesus. Jesus taught that we "ought always to pray and not lose heart" ( Luke 18:1).

Why are so many still unsaved

If it is God's desire that all should be saved, then why are so many people still unsaved? 2 Corinthians 4:4 tells us the god of this world [the devil] has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Do not give up praying for others. While God will not force a person to accept and love Him, He can and does work hard to bring them to Himself by giving the person ideas, thoughts, dreams, visions, laborers to talk with them, and designing circumstances in their life to bring them face to face with the love of God.

In prayer, keep breaking Satan's power in their life, binding Satan, and claiming their salvation. Continuous prayer is powerful and faith does not give up. 1 Corinthians 13

I will add to this tomorrow. Mishael

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, (I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy), and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Luke 18:2-5 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man: 3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. 4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man; 5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.

Hi Robert,

God will help you!

'Draw nigh to God and He will draw nigh to you...' James 4:8 You have done this already by acknowledging that sin has seperated you from God. He will honor that and help you.

'And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.' Luke 18:27 Don't despair if your marriage is a big mess, because God IS greater.

God bless,

Carl

In some passages, the Bible says that Jesus is God ( John 10:30, John 1:1 & 14, Isiah 9:6, John 14:9), but other passages don't say that Jesus and God's are the same ( Luke 9:44, Luke 9:58, Matt. 16:13-17, Luke 18:19).

Are Jesus and God the same, or is Jesus God's Son?

How can I explain this to someone?

I love this portion

1 Corinthians 15:4

Acts 10:40

Luke 24:7

Luke 18:33

Matthew 20:19

Matthew 17:23

Luke 24:46

Luke 24:21

This is only a few of the instances. Is someone doubting that Jesus was risen on the third day or something? The Bible says it all over the place, so if someone is trying to claim otherwise, they have a whole mountain of scripture against them.

When you say we are told not to change the bible, I'm happy that we agree on something, when you talk of the many different bible versions, I'm also aware that there is, but chose to only read the KJV, I'm sure they're meant to be more relevant to today's english but as in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 Satan can transform himself into an angel of light and deceive many, just by changing a few words. Fornication is most certainly a terrible sin throughout society today and also in biblical times, and is mentioned 35 times in the KJV but when you look at Romans 1:20-32 and Galations 5:14-26 it is only one of many sins of the flesh. "Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents," to name just a few. John 8:3-11 Jesus forgive a woman caught in adultery, John 4:6-43 the Samaritan woman at the well living in fornication was one of the first women evangelist. Luke 18:10-14 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican." he was not justified, Luke 23:43 the first person Jesus took to paradise was a thief on the cross. Sin in whatever form is evil in God's eyes, but I'm sure your well aware of that. Just as God judged the people in Sodom and Gomorrah and in Noah's day, I try (sometimes I fail) to let God judge the transgressors of today, and focus on the narrow road to the cross for my Salvation. Because as in Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife." we don't want to turn into that pillar of salt.

Some of my favorite scripture to help me keep things in perspective is the Beatitudes and sermon on the mount, and also Luke 10:27-37 the story of the good Samaritan.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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You're right on track, dear brother. Keep studying the Word - more & more Light from God will be revealed to you. Keep 'nagging' the Lord for your loved ones (as many of us do for ours), & 'pray them into the Kingdom'; remember the Lord's parable of the widow who 'nagged' the unjust judge to get justice ( Luke 18:1-8). Even though in different circumstances, the parable was given "that men ought always to pray & not to faint", or 'keep on praying for what you know is right & in God's Will (that none should perish), & don't give up'. Every blessing Lou, in the Lord.

When you read why Jesus says "Why callest thou me good?", this is a question on Jesus part, in response to a certain ruler's question in regards on how to inherit eternal life, He did not say "don't call me good". two totally different meanings.

Luke 18:16-22 Context 16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. 18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. 21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Luke 18: 19, " Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good , save one, this is, God"

Yes, this is the correct scripture and doesn't it say only God is good. Didn't Jesus say don't call me good?

Marilyn Taplin,"

"only God in heaven is good", You have misquoted the Lord Jesus as translated in the KJV, because you added "in heaven", which is not in any of the three gospels Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18 or Luke 18:19, See for yourself.

Thank you so much for making this KJV of the Bible and its WORD so available to us. It allows Holy Spirit understanding by the quickness that one can relate Scripture verse with all other relevant Scripture verses. I would love to have you help me spread the Word of God through a unique memorization program which fulfills verses in Psalm 1:2 His delight is in the law of the Lord and in His law doth he meditate day and night; and Psalm 119:11 Thy Word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

In these end time days, there are too few Christians memorizing Scripture. No wonder Christ ponders the question, Luke 18:8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" I will be 95 on July 21, 2021 so I have a lot to accomplish before I go to be with Him!

There is another "will" at work in the world. He has NO plans for salvation or healing. His Old Testament name, Lucifer; but is called Satan now. He is a created angel. Not human. He has a free will also.

He is the One the scriptures describe:

John 10:10

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Luke 18:20

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

In the Book of Job you will clearly see that Satan seeks to hurt people; even kill them or cause them to be killed. He's the one who causes bad things to hurt good people or children.

God is not doing it. Satan has free will just as we do.

If we follow God: Receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; He will protect us.

There is no other way to escape Satan's deceptions and false illusions. No offense, just suppose bu iif tv, satellite and internet are your God that you look to for entertainment and comfort; You are in danger. Come away and follow Jesus.