Discuss Leviticus 11 Page 3

I agree if it unclean its unclean and must keep reading deap to learn more.

This is very difficult for me.

Grace does not give you a license to sin according to 1 John 3:4 Sin is the transgession of Gods Law the blood of Christ forgives you of your past sins Romans 3:24 and allows you yo be reconciled back to God youre saved by grace because you did nothing to earn this however dont take advantage of Gods grace by disobying his law.

These laws are very much binding not only for now but also for the Kingdom of God Read Is 66:17 and Is 65:4-5

Leviticus 11 should answer your questions of clean and unclean beasts acoording to the Law of Moses.
Leviticus 11:1-8

1 And the Lord spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

for those who claim on keeping the commandments, do you offer burnt offerings and sin offerings and the like? all these laws came to an end once Jesus came and introduced grace

This is real! The word of God is real. I know because I was once sinner and saint, slave and free, clean and unclean! God is trying to keep us clean and pure, so this is good still for today, in fact, it is a must to obey the law/or command of God, even for the good of life, or the truth of life. God sent Jesus Christ to fulfil the law and the prophets, not to diminish/or destroy them ( Matthew 5:17). But a new covenant has God the father made ( Jeremiah 31:31-34, Hebrews 8:7-13), and with God the son have he made it ( Hebrews 10:16)... A new covenant God the father made with us, but not to destroy the law and prophets!!

The Pelican? Jackdor, The Hebrew translator of the AV came up with "pelican" because the verb translates as vomit or reject for Ha Ka'at and this was considered as a feature of this bird. Leviticus 11:18. At least NIV keeps to "desert owl" for Deuteronomy 14:17 and Psalm 102:6 whereas NKJ Leviticus 11:18 and Deteronomy 14:17 the jackdaw appears for the same Hebrew word, the Pelican!. From Psalm 102:6 the "desert owl" flying through the ruins may be the right answer? Where does the "white" of white owl come from? The "swan" but where does the same word get its "mole" in the AV Deteronomy 14:17 I wonder. Most calamitous of all what is a gier eagle. I cannot find the word "gier" in the Oxford Dictionary!

I do know this, those with a Jewish bloodline are more susceptible to colon cancer if they do not adhere to the dietary laws, whether they are faithful or atheist. A family member of mine was told this before her colonoscopy. Actually, countless cancers can be traced to impure diet. Christ openly said he did not come to do away with the Old Testament, but to fulfil it. I think something has been vastly misinterpreted. How are we to know what the original text said? Christ would never override the Words of the Father.

@Casey,
Colossians 2:
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
God bless you.

In spite of clear cut instructions in US and all of over East Asia, people salivate at pork products, snakes and other unclean things. Though consciously one should aspire not to eat these unclean things. I have this question about a verse in the Bible wherein Jesus says It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.” and explains this verse below “Don’t you understand yet?” Jesus asked. 17 “Anything you eat passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer. 18 But the words you speak come from the heart—that’s what defiles you. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander. These are what defile you. Eating with unwashed hands will never defile you.” now note Lord Jesus has mentioned eating with unwashed hands will never defile you ( does it included what the unclean animals too or just the clean animals eaten with unwashed hands)?

I think this chapter states about the food that we put in our bodies, and how unhealthy it is for us.

Rhonda, Your question in Leviticus 11 about Catfish.
Catfish has no scales and stay close to the bottom
of what water their in, eat any decaded flesh they might run across. Catfish should not be eaten. I know thats not what lots of people likes to hear.
Please keep reading the KJV bible and study God's word.
God bless,
James

Please read Mark Chapter 7 and Colossians chapter 2.

We may have cleaner conditions and better ways to clean animals, but never does the text say that one day you can eat them. I have made the commitment to not eat from the unclean animals. In doing so, I have learned to give up part of Self and surrender. I am on the journey to become completely vegan. As to the Timothy comment, gluttony and indulgence is sinful. God planted things in the ground that are poisonous too, but you don't consume poison ivy do you? I actually think that TODAY as we have such access to great food supplies (here in the US especially) we can make the conscious decision not to eat these unclean animals, or to not eat animals at all. There is a reason why a lot of the other great religions ban consumption of swine. They are disgusting, bottom feeders who will eat anything from trash to humans. There is no reason to consume them. I find it amusing that Christians get all up in arms over meat. Think about it: God created everything in his image. We may not kill the animals ourselves as much as in the past, but we are still consuming a creature that was created in God's image. There is also scientific documentation about how much healthier vegans are than meat eaters. Vegans dont get heart attacks.

I'm more confused. It says that verse 9 says fins and scales. verse 12 says no fins nor scales. Does that mean catfish are not to be eaten?

We should stay away from shrimps and such, to be on the safe side.

I REPENT FROM EATEN ANY OF THIS. DEAR GOD NOW GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO REFRAIN FROM THIS UNCLEANLINESS

Okay, so taking this in a historical context, these rules were necessary to keep the people safe from diseases. They didn't know how the disease happened, but they knew that it originated from eating an animal in these classifications, therefore becoming unhealthy.
So, today, should we follow these rules?! Is any animal from the water not to be eaten?
For me, I see these rules as a historical artifact of a time when people did not understand food safety and am a bit more suspect that God set these rules out for his people...

The GOD of ISRAEL commanded HIS PEOPLE to keep the dietary laws that are written in the bible. These commandments werent given for nothing. so with that said its true you have to keep God's laws, commandments and statutes especially if you want to make it to the kingdom of GOD. Every law of God is still in effect and Matthew 5:17-19 makes that clear. dont be decieved nor decieve yourself, if you DON'T have understanding on the word of God DON'T speak on it. NOW, in 1Tim 4:4 it reads ''For every creature of God is good'' now thats true right? every creature of God is good, for whatever purpose God created it for. God did NOT create every single animal to be eaten and if you feel thats not true then dont bother spending money on meats just go outside and find a random dog, cat, rat or pigeon and take it home and cook it up! see the problem is people are wicked and want to cut corners when it comes to God and thats just going to get you a 1st class ticket to hell. God set a diffence between CLEAN and UNCLEAN beasts, and the DIFFERENCE IS clean is meant to be recived and unclean is NOT meant to be eaten( Leviticus 11:46&47) but is good for another purpose EXAMPLE PIG/SWINE that animal is a farm tool, pigs eat anything so its job is to eat all the trash off the farm including POOP now thats a good purpose imagine having a farm without a pig... now, is the feasting of this animal really tempting to you?? NASTY! and for Those that think its still ok to eat the PIG or any ABOMINATION... judgement is written just for you. Take a look at Isaiah 66:16-17. dont be decieved u WILL go to hell for this. simple as that.

Awesome!

i just have to comment on the above about 1 Timothy 4:1-6, as i am led by the Lord to obey even for my own home. Please know that in the beginning God created, and that when He sat the beast of the field, and the fowl of the air on the Earth there was no distinction between which ones were bad or good. But, along came serpent, and sat the stage for every other animal. Uncleanness represents demonic activity whether it is in a person or an animal. So, when God speaks and He says something is unclean, please know that He is talking about the enemy. So, as you are reading scripture, please pray to the Father for your eyes to be open. God will never tell you (the reader) that He created anything to be bad, which is why in 1 Timothy 4:1-6, it tells you that Every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused, and God means just that. But did He tell you to eat it in 1 Timothy 4:1-6....NO because he already told you not to eat it in Lev 11. The bible runs together precept up precept,,line up line. Please dont confuse God words, and find scripture that gives you what you want when there is another scripture which clearly say that you can have it.

Also, in Genesis 7:2 Noah was told to gather 7 pairs of the clean beasts and only 2 of the unclean pairs. This was way before Moses on Mount Sinai and the giving of the law, yet Noah knew which animal was which.
To me this shows that the law was in effect at least that far back, and most likely as far back as Eden. The reason I say that is Cain killed Abel - a sin of murder. Abel gave a proper sacrifice of a lamb, and it was pleasing - just like the law states to do. He doesn't change. Nothing in Scriptures contradicts itself.

In addition to the many verses quoted earlier about obedience, I would like to add a few more:
1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Revelation 12:17 ... And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12... Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14... Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I Tim. 4: 1-6 I don't know how you can make it any plainer. I am going to eat every creature that I like. No offense but it seems clear to me.

Let us not forget that Chapter 11 of Leviticus as well as Deuteronomy 14 are the food laws that we are to keep forever and they are not just ceremonial laws as Doug suggests. Yahweh is the same today and forever, He changes not; see Malachi 3:6, nor does Yahshua change either, see Hebrews 13:8 and 9. Sin is the transgression of the law period; see I John 3:4. Take note of I Timothy 4:3 "to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. His Word is the Truth, so let's obey Him and not eat any abominable thing such as pork, etc. See Deuteronomy 14:3; Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. And finally see John 14:15; If you love me keep my commandments. Enough said!

I Timothy 4:1-6 Especially note verse 4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
verse 5: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

In response to Doug.
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Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The New Testament was written for the Church & Jesus is the head of the church. You have seen the scriptures referred to so either believe what the Bible says or just do what you want. Sounds to me like you just believe parts of the Bible. The Bible must be rightly divided. We are now living in the church age, the age of grace. That is not a license to sin but the ceremonial laws no longer apply to us.

I seriously don’t get this. Who is more important Jesus or Paul? Jesus had never eaten pork and did not say to any of the followers it was ok. he hated it. Don’t you remember when he casted devils from men into swine.
The pork meet is filled with toxins, check on wiki how good it is for you.
Don’t follow what saints say but only what Jesus said & did. Word and action of prophets don’t get replace by words of man. Paul was no prophet or messenger so why would god talk to him?