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Which Richard?

Vincent, not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it but I believe your reading scripture according to the book of Vincent, how you think it should be, I would encourage you to pray before you read for a totally open mind to what God is saying, you don't seem to get the true concept of what happened friend.

I must not be reading you right, I thought you was talking about immediately after the creation.

Simple logic: If the Spirit can not die, Why did Jesus say Ye must be born again of the Spirit of God. John 3:3-7 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." The capitol "S" is the spirit of God.

Hello Vince,

I have only posted once in this thread in reply to what Darrin stated. There was no selfishness in my post at all and if you felt that I apologize. What you state that "I think to be saved is by works of obedience" and that I am "forgetting" about those certain things you posted is false and wrong. You don't know me as I don't know you. Then you bring up people with a disability of their mind? They have a disabilty.. how can you perceive them with people who do not have that disability and may call good evil and evil good?

I do not come to this site to argue or quarrel. Again I apologize if anything I wrote hurt your feelings by you taking it the wrong way.

God Bless you.

People can ask all kinds of 'what if' questions, but it doesn't imply anything. There's a lot we don't know and never will. But what we know is that God is loving and fair and He will judge everyone fairly. He knows who has and hasn't heard the gospel. Obviously babies/children who die young, or natives on remove islands who never heard about Jesus aren't going to be punished for something they never heard or understood. But He knows who has heard the truth, but rejected it. He knows the ones who call themselves Christians, but still reject obeying Him and instead follow evil while claiming to be 'saved'. God is fair. He knows all. The Bible already says most people will go to hell- wide is the gate leading there and narrow is the gate leading to heaven with God. God loves us enough to give total freedom of choice and freewill. He won't force anyone to spend eternity with Him if they don't want to.

Richard in Christ,

The Bible warns of a second death, but no one is said to be in the lake of fire but the 3 evil Spirits. Eradicating these 3 Spirits, with the grace of God, will end sin forever.



What happens to the 5.6 billion people of the 7.6 billion total population who are not Christ followers, to include 2 billion Muslims, Jews and others that didn't know Jesus. Are they sent away, killed, or abandoned by God? No, the ones that didn't die in Christ are part of the second resurrection. God is the God of everyone, not just Christians. This is why everyone is forgiven of their sin, thanks to Jesus.

Yes, Spirit, and Image are not the same. The Image is the Body, Soul, and the Spirit. The Spirit is the part that died when Adam sinned, that is why the Lord Jesus Christ said, John 3:7 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." And to be born again in this age, you must go to the Apostle to the Gentiles; which is Paul. Paul's Gospel says: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" Paul says, 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain."

You are correct on the title of Christ, so I'll say Jesus set the example of being born again after death. This is how the dead rise in Christ to everlasting life.

To me "born again" is having the capabilities and mind of Christ. Having the Holy Spirit upon you, like the disciples, is one thing, but being permanently free from sin is another. The 11 disciples were sinners who enjoyed the Holy Spirit. They didn't stop sinning as I would come to expect after they succumb to a mortal death, then resurrected into everlasting life.

In response, I gave you a full explanation so you would understand where I was coming from. However, my message didn't make the cut. Sort of like how a vile sinner gets tossed by the chief commander. A total and complete waste of energy. Perhaps not worth another entry.

"We must believe the Gospel for this age, (the age of Grace) to be born again is the Spirit of God. The New Testament say 241 times that you must believe to be saved. Jesus sent the Apostle Paul to the Gentiles; and gave him the Gospel to preach, and that is what you must believe to be born again of the Spirit of God.

HERE IS THAT GOSPEL: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" Question: Do you believe it?"

We must believe the Gospel for this age, (the age of Grace) to be born again is the Spirit of God. The New Testament say 241 times that you must believe to be saved. Jesus sent the Apostle Paul to the Gentiles; and gave him the Gospel to preach, and that is what you must believe to be born again of the Spirit of God.

HERE IS THAT GOSPEL: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" Question: Do you believe it?

No, born again means your spirit was dead, and you were born again of the Spirit of God. and you won't be like Christ until after the Rapture when you will have become incorruptible, and put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." Then, Philippians 3:21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." Then we shall be like Jesus Christ the Lord.

Called by Paul's Gospel:

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Did you notice, you were chosen from the beginning, but you were called by Paul's Gospel? what Gospel were you called by?

Study the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord. Study the prophets in context, and their words like you are playing a game of concentration, and match them up. The prophets saw it, possibly even were transported through time to witness it 1st hand. They were "bowed down" and "dismayed at the seeing of it" ( Isaiah 21:3). The prophets saw the whole house of Israel destroyed, and power given to the spoiler at noonday, anti-christ ( Jer 15:8) to do his will 42 months.

Three incantations describe the greatest one sided battle ever:

1) Obadiah: Esau (Russia+) obliterates Jacob (US/Israel) to reclaim his stolen birthright.

2) The king of the north (Russia+) easily defeats the king of the south (US/Israel) ( Dan 11:40).

3) The beast (Russia+) desolates Babylon (US/Israel), takes its allies. When the UK sees the smoke of America burning from afar, they will clothe themselves in trembling as everyone goes dark ( Ezekiel 26:18).

The Beast = Russia:

-"More stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones ( Dan 7:20).

-He is the 8th and is of the 7. Russia was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7 ( Rev 17:20)

-In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has been healed into the Russian Federation that the people will marvel at ( Rev 13:3).

-Even though God has always held back Esau (Russia), he will now bring Esau forth with his northern army to destroy Jacob (US/NATO/Israel) (Ez 38:4).

-Obadiah states Esau (Russia) annihilated Jacob (US/Israel) then engaged in destruction beyond Babylon with an "evil thought" (Ez 38:10), by taking 3 allies from his own camp.

-Esau pounds Jacob so badly that the earth is knocked off its axis and wobbles back and forth like a drunkard (Is 24:20).

-The last time Esau and Jacob met up was on the trail, Gen 33. Jacob was afraid Esau would kill him for stealing his birthright, but instead they exchanged gifts and parted ways.

-Esau will make Jacob lean this time around (Is 24:1-16).

It's a showdown between the two boys.

From scripture, it is easy to tell who the beast is from Mystery Babylon.

At the 5th trumpet, on 9/11, America attacked itself starting their phony war on terror.

At the 6th trumpet the beast Russia & China (iron/clay) desolate Mystery Babylon America within 1 hour.

This is anti-christ's rule of the entire world. Anti-christ destroys America and dismantles her allies. God specifically targets Mystery Babylon America. Who would think such an upstanding Christian nation would get their cup filled to the double?

At the 7th trumpet, Jesus with a new name defeats beast Russia/China. Remind me where America is..was.

Why do you suppose Russia has God-like weaponry that can't be defended against?

Ez 21:9-12. 9 Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the Lord; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:

10 It is sharpened to make a sore slaughter; it is furbished that it may glitter: should we then make mirth? it contemneth the rod of my son, as every tree.

11 And he hath given it to be furbished, that it may be handled: this sword is sharpened, and it is furbished, to give it into the hand of the slayer.

12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh. (Reference to Jacob's time of trouble, wrestling for his stolen birthright)

Do you see how the Lord has furbished a sword and put it in the hand of the slayer, Russia, the 10 toed beast.

Do you see that God intends the strike to be against HIS OWN PEOPLE!!! Against Jacob (US made desolate/Israel invaded 42 months) Where is America to protect it's partner in crime, Israel? Luke 21:20-24. Gone, via Isaiah 47, Joel 2:1-11, Rev 18, the abomination of desolation ushers in Antichrist's rule.

You will not understand if you refuse to entertain new insights. It's a complete wash when everyone of knowledge is stuck to themselves.

Richard,

I have a different interpretation. It is tried, logical, explained, and certainly doesn't mean that I'm at risk of missing out on the wedding. Keep your nose in the Old Testament to gain better insight. Please don't patronize me with your assumptions that I need wisdom or saved. That's insulting, like you're on high.

Vague open ended threats like Peter said in his underground Gospel criticizing the strict measures taken to enter heaven. The Bible may say that souls will be eliminated, but it doesn't mean that they will. No where does it say that billions of billions of people are, or were tossed in the lake of fire, only the threat. Same goes for the billions of people that will choose the mark over death during the 42 months of great tribulation between the 6th & 7th trumpets. These survivors of the 6th trumpet will have no choice if they want to live, but to take the mark. If you, your family are starving, are you going to pine away, die, or take the mark? I grantee you 99.9% will take the mark. What if having a US SS# or driver license is accepting the mark?

So, 2 Billion living Muslims will lose their eternal lives because they were born Muslim, and didn't bend a knee to Jesus Christ? Do you understand the ramifications that that puts on all of humanity, especially of those that are limited?

I don't see God throwing away any of his creations, not one of them. Every hair on your head is counted, God knows us all. What of the 107 Billion souls that have lived prior to Christ? They have their place too. Perhaps that's why at the 2nd resurrection the new heavens and earth appear to accommodate everyone?

Correction: all eyes

Correction: with the spirit of God

I think Daren has an issue with America. God will judge the world on a whole. All sees shall see Him and all knees shall bow. God bless you

And that show, as you put it, will be for those that are left here to be burnt with this earth which God cursed. God bless you

Only one can be first and only one can be last. So the first Christian was actually Steven who was stoned to death at Antioc. God bless you

Correction: the word creator

Jesus' Baptism is to show us how to be baptized by submersion. Not by sprinkling of water or any other means and it's not by baptism one is saved, it's by God's choosing before the world was created. God bless you

Correction: the word is WOMB

Image and spirit are not the same. Image can be seen. Image of God means God created us to look like Him. Wasn't Jesus a man in the flesh but will the spirit of God? God bless you

Are you saying here that God created the world and out of no where evil entered the creation? That would mean God don't know all things. God put evil and death here, therefore, this world was not intended to be everlasting paradise.

God gave Adam the power to receive the knowledge of good with evil. Adam thought he will be wise which he did receive wisdom, but wisdom is of the knowledge of evil and death. Remember, everything is equal and opposite physically and spiritually. So to be wise, one has to know good and evil. This will take time for you to get. God bless you

To Richard and Daren.

As I read your comments, I get the sense of selfishness in regards to God's salvation plan. You are thinking to be saved is by works of obedience. You are both forgetting your neighbors around the world who, for no reason of their own, don't have the equal chance to receive the gospel of Jesus the Christ. You are also forgetting the millions and millions of souls that died in the womb. Also, those that died very young before they could understand God's word. What about those who are autistic who don't understand right and wrong? What about those who lived and died before Jesus was ever even born?

God choose people from the womb to the tomb. He choose them not by their good deeds, because everyone does not have an equal chance to perform good deeds, but by His mercy and His Grace from before the world was created. Check out the book of Revaluation which shows us that many people will be saying they did good works and thought they will be allowed to enter heaven based on their works. God bless you

To Charles Peek.

Again, the spirit can not die, born again is to be filled with the Holy Spirit which was not there before and it's done by the act of God. Nothing we can do to earn it but God in His mercy and grace choose to give it to people from all nations and toughs of the world. These are people of the past, present and future. Imagine, God already choose people in the future! God is truly amazing. God bless you.