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  • Verleen innis on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Why are the Romas throug Jude referred to as Epristles? next why are the frist 4 books of the New Testment referred to as the Gosple.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Isaiah 44 - 2 years ago
    The Book of Proverbs hits hard, it shows us where we fall short. It's always good to return there for guidance & wisdom as we walk closer to the upward calling of CHRIST. Philippians 3:14, Proverbs 1:1,

    It may be best to encourage yourself by reading Psalms 139, Romans 8, John 17, Jude 1:24-25, while you reading Proverbs.

    Hopefully this is encouraging & helpful
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Lee1960,

    You are right, this is hard to understand so we need not be dogmatic but humble. The sons of God are in the OT only 5 times Gen. 6:2, 5 Job 1:6 Job 2:6 Job 38:7, and Daniel 3:25. The times in Job and Daniel are clearly angelic beings, so how do we take the meaning in Gen. 6. It says, "when the sons of God saw daughters of men", The Hebrew word for men here is h-'-m/adam meaning mankind. So, is this distinguishing a difference in the sons of adam/men?

    There are words that we may overlook, "and also after that". We see giants/Nephilim after the flood. 2 Sam. 21:16 Joshua 12:4 Num. 13:33 Deut. 2:19-21 Deut. 20:17 Amos 2:9 and more. Are there any NT scriptures that speak to this?

    2 Peter 2:4-6 and Jude 1:6-7 both are talking about angels who sinned and "which kept not their first estate but left their own habitation", the Greek word is used only two times translated habitation is oiktrion, the other place was in 2 Cor 5:2 the word house. Peter and Jude both compare what these angels did the same as in Sodom and Gomorrah, strange flesh.

    There are fallen angels along with Satan who are active on the earth today and still have access to heaven, but these angels did something even worse because God made an example of them and locked them in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit, until judgment. I do not know of any man in the OT who was ever called or referred to as son of God, I may have overlooked it, but my understanding is Nephilim came from these angels that God locked up.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Part 3: Context in cross references

    The danger of Dominionists is that they think that they can rule and reign on the earth; making the world "ready" for Christ's appearance by somehow taking over a world that God Himself has allowed Satan to usurp to ultimately accomplish His purposes.

    They enjoy taking verses such as Joel 2:30-31 and verses in Revelation on a countless multitude chapter 7 verse 9 and think that despite verses to the contrary on many falling away from the faith in the last days that any "revival" must be from God. Satan Himself according to the book of Jude must be properly addressed; even Michael had to show deference to the Lord when he rebuked him ( Jude 1:9). The obvious conclusion to this situation is that we should never apply a meaning to a specific passage that clearly contradicts the rest of scripture as a whole. The same problem exists for Preterists who use verses that seem to clearly indicate the Transfiguration ( Matthew 17) and somehow seem to think it can be proven that Christ physically returned in AD 70. Doctrinally speaking as I have alluded to in my earlier statements; if we for instance dogmatically state that God is finished with the nation of Israel as a whole and attribute all passages as symbolic or a description of the church today we get ourselves into trouble.

    There is also the proper application of cross references. Jesus; for example laid out two concepts (loving God and your neighbor) as the SUM of the law (see Matthew 22:36-40). However; the law itself was superceded as it were with grace. That meant more STRINGENT applications as were brought up with the subject of thoughts related to adultery and hatred also brought up by Christ. (see Matthew 5:17-30). The concept of covenants in scripture is equally valid; as I see it with dispensations as there are multiple covenants (some for Israel; and the only one for the church being the New Covenant). Even that won't be totally fulfilled until the Millennium.
  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17.

    Often we speak of a revival, sometimes revival seems it is what the church needs rather than the nation. The nation is doing what nations do.

    The church is set apart and is to be light to ALL the world/nations.

    Here's what I observed, Some seems to minister to draw people to themselves.

    They are thinking they are that light and rightfully so. But what is you/light supposed to shine on? Who's in the midst of the candlesticks? Jesus!

    Today we see people "But not everyone" shine light upon themselves. ( Notice I didn't say "the light.)

    Is that an oil filled light?

    Can there be a revival in this way?

    I'm sure we can agree on this matter, The question is "DO I DO THIS?" We should ask ourselves.

    Here is also what we should ask ourselves.

    Does this glorify the Lord?

    Am I doing this by the Spirit of God or the lust of the flesh?

    Is it the Lords glory I am seeking?

    Is this moved by the Spirit?

    If Gods spirit resides in you you should know!

    Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. John 12:31-32.

    HOW DOES THE WORLD SEE US?

    Boy does this matter!

    Acts 2:44-47 ?

    John 13:35 ?

    Here is just a few things that would hender these 2 verses?

    Certainly Leaven and the tares plays a role.

    When the world look at us from the outside they see some of their own.

    Pride by the work of their own hands.

    Materialism.

    Racism.

    Ect.ect.

    We also get along worse than them considering we are supposed to be led by the Spirit.

    Jude 1:4

    Hebrews 5:12-14.

    2 Peter 2:10-15.

    This is why everything we do should be what is (caused) by the Holyspirit.

    Don't let pride keep you from your purpose and proper place.

    "Following Jesus and shining you light on Him!!

    Examine ourselves.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    P.S. Anonymous is Chris, to whom you responded.
  • Anonymous - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Thank you Dr. Adams. I think we're referring to two things here: the Sabbath that you wish to observe, if as a nurse, you worked a 'non-standard' week, and secondly, the Sabbath that was specified by God for His people, Israel, to observe.

    a. in the example you gave, it would be quite appropriate for you to rest on your seventh day, even if that day should fall on any other day other than Saturday. Personally, I would just call it my rest day & not my Sabbath as to some folk that might infer that I'm recognizing & observing the Jewish Sabbath & changing it to 'my Sabbath day'; but maybe that's another discussion.

    b. in relation to God's Command to Israel to "keep the Sabbath (the seventh day) holy" & as to "what day to start or stop"(your comment), I would suggest the following. Israel, from the time of the giving of the Law, knew exactly when their working week (or rather, days of toil & wandering in the desert) started and stopped. You may recall the Scripture in Exodus 16:25-30, where God provided manna for six days & the people had to collect extra on the sixth day to tide them over for the seventh day (Sabbath). This continued throughout their wanderings so they had a calendar of sorts to mark out their days of toil & their day of rest; the arrival/cessation of manna never failed. This 'calendar' never changed since then & even when Jesus went through the corn fields on the Sabbath ( Matthew 12:1), or went to read in the synagogue on the Sabbath Day ( Luke 4:16), He never upbraided the Jews for observing a day that was not the very same one specified by God in Exodus.

    And for today also, I believe that the Sabbath Day falls on the Saturday (as per the Gregorian calendar that we use), as Jews also recognize it & observe it. Chabad dot org, confirms that Chanukah begins this year on Sunday, December 18 and ends on Sunday, December 25 (with December 24 being their Sabbath - Kislev 30). I hope this helps a little.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi DrTAdams.

    I don't believe the days of the week was named back then. When they were named they named the 7th day Saturday.

    And we know God rested on the 7th day from all his work.

    However the Sabbath day was given to Israel.

    S Spencer

    God bless.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Dear Dr. T. Adams.

    You are correct. As a N.T. saint we are not bound to the Mosaic Law, but the spirit of the law is what we should be mindful of and order our life accordingly.
  • DrTAAdams741 - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    The Bible never mentions what day to start or stop, it just says for 6 days, you shall labor, and on the 7th day, I rest. So, if I am a nurse and my work day starts on Wednesday, and I work 6 days, my 6th day would actually be Monday, so couldn't I have my sabbath on Tuesday, since it does not specify a day of the week in remembrance of God the Father? Would I not still be honoring God if I labor for 6 days and rest on the 7th?
  • Cindy - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear Christina, James 4:7 says, "Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." How do you resist the devil? Like Jesus did when he was tempted in the wilderness. He did not argue, He quoted the scripture, and the devil fled each temptation.

    The Word of God is our armor against Satan, our bullets, I like to call it.

    Shoot as many as you need at him when he tempts you with unnatural relations. I give you Romans 1:26,27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and Jude 1:7. Prayers going up.

    Bless you!
  • Chris - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Exodus 20:8-11 should cover it, that the seventh day was a day of rest for Israel.
  • DrTAAdams741 - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Do you have a scripture reference to support this?
  • DrTAAdams741 - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Where does it say that in the Bible?
  • DrTAAdams741 on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Greetings Beloved Staff,

    I have been looking for a program where I can see and hear the scriptures and choose verses or chapters to discuss during service, or a session, or a course and this is perfect for me, thank you.

    Respectfully and prayerfully

    always praising God,

    Senior Pastor Tanya Annette Adams
  • Jon Wilford - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Saturday was/is the original Sabbath day of the week
  • Anonymous - In Reply on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    The seventh day (what we today call, Saturday) has always been the Jewish Sabbath. It was a God-ordained day of rest from their labors of the week.
  • Lina on Jude 1 - 2 years ago
    Is Saturday or Sunday the seventh day, the sabbath day?
  • Adam - 2 years ago
    "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4 KJV

    "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:28 KJV

    "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" Mark 12:29 KJV

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

    "And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments." Revelation 16:7 KJV

    Romans 10:9 , Luke 2:11, Philippians 2:11, 2 Corinthians 4:5

    Amen.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Jude 1:1-51.

    Something to watch for is Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    This was going on in Jude's day and have certainly excelled in our day. " For there are certain men crept in unawares".

    How do they creep in? craftiness? PERHAPS MULTIPLE NAME CHANGES. What is their purpose? Hender the spiritual growth of the believer by their false doctrine?

    They seem to agree with you on topics such as the trinity and other topics "even though they give an unorthodox description of it once examined closely".

    They come in all shapes form and fashions.

    Let's deal with those who Spiritualizes ALL the scripture and in doing so these particular views devalue the blood shed on the cross and the love God displayed in offering his beloved son. ( John 3:16.)

    Also, John 15:13. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    This means nothing if there are no consequences to "NOT' receiving Christ, if there is no hell and everyone goes to heaven no matter what you have done in this lifetime! "This is according to their doctrine"

    HOW IS THE LOVE OF GOD DISPLAYED ON THE CROSS IF IT WAS UNNECESSARY? Judas, Hitler, Putin, Murderers, Thieves, etc., etc. gets in Heaven anyway!

    This particular person also holds the view that we all become as Gods with their incorrect spiritualizing of the text.

    WHY IS THIS MESSAGE SO IMPORTANT TO THEM IF THERE IS NO HELL AND THE CROSS DOSENT MATTER?

    WHY EVEN BOTHER?

    WHERE IS THE VALUE IN FAITH, LOVE, ECT. WORKS, BELIEVING, OBEYING, IN THIS DOCTRINE?

    WHATS THE POINT IN SHARING SCRIPTURE?

    It's also interesting to see some support a view without understanding it or holding the same viewpoints. The only thing they have in common is multiple name changes.

    GB
  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    Jude 1:1-51.

    We often have the discussion on Apostacy. I would like to talk a little about signs of an Apostate and perhaps his or her purpose.

    When we are discussing this topic with perhaps one of them, we are often hering them say, "A turning away from (THE) truth" with "The Truth" being heavily emphasized.

    As if they have something you can't get out of the Lord's word.

    LET US PAUSE HERE FOR A MOMENT.

    Isn't the truth God's word?!

    Here you have a sign of a deceiver when they draw you away from the word of God and in doing so, they turn you away from God's word in the flesh!

    They lure men and women after them by giving them the word out of the very scripture that they attempt to turn them away from.

    Here's how this is done.

    They spiritualize ALL the text!! And only they have the keys.

    What does this say about the work of the Holy spirit?

    More on this later.

    GOD BLESS.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Mr. Bowman, you're asking about 2Thessalonians 2:3, it starts with 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, the coming of Lord,._. Please notice this is the 2nd letter to the Thessalonians, following up on the discussion in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, also following the words of Jesus.

    It seems the "great falling away" may be as Jesus explained with the seed, parable. When they face trouble, not rooted in good soil; Please look at Matthew 13:6,20,21, notice Jesus says we will go through "the great tribulation" Matthew 24:21,22,29, Matthew 24:30, in context please read both full chapters, also please look at : Revelation 6:9-11, if Jesus says endure to the end, Matthew 24:13, 2Peter 3:3-14, 1Peter 5:2-11, Hebrews 12:23-29, Hebrews 10:35-39, Colossians 1:23,

    1Peter 1:2-9, Jude 1:24,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Zapenter,

    There are many opinions on this, my understanding is Jesus is coming back to set up the kingdom on earth and I believe scripture supports a literal 1000 years. The events in Revelation skip around in the chapters which if we read straight through seem confusing at times. When Satan is cast down from heaven in Rev. 12 it starts, and in Rev.13 we see the beast rise out of the sea, which the sea can represent the abyss or bottomless pit. The beast was given 42 months not seven years.

    We see the bottomless pit in Rev. 9, Rev. 11, Rev. 17, and Rev. 20. This place is the deepest darkest place where God has put the angels who left their first estate, 2 Pet.2:4 and Jude 1:6. This is where the beast will ascend from that is told us in Rev. 11 and 17 and where Satan will be for the 1000 years, Rev. 20.

    If we see in Rev. 13 the beast has 42 months and we see in Rev. 11 that the two witnesses are given the same amount of time, 42 months so they are here at the same time. When the beast kills the two witnesses and that gets us to Rev. 19 the second coming of Jesus when heaven was opened, and we see Jesus on the white horse coming and the angel calls and gathers the fowls for the supper of the great God.

    After the battle of Armageddon, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire and Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit and the 1000 years will begin, the first and only time Satan is put in the bottomless pit. After the 1000 years in Rev. 20:10, Satan is gone forever.

    There is a lot more, and much I have left out this is just a very short kind of outline that I hope helps and does not confuse your study.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    You can check out the following Scriptures, Dave: Leviticus 18:22 (& verse 23: bestiality); Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:26,27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10; Jude 1:7.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thanks Giannis.

    That's the way I have it as well.

    On the Matthew 24:31-46 I think I was responding to Gigi.

    Her quote;

    By GiGi

    The most consistent view in the church over the centuries was that the rapture happens on the Last Day, as Jesus said in Luke 21:27; Matthew 24:29-31. Even Daniel was told that he would arise on the Last Day in Daniel 12:13. This is why I believe that Jesus comes back only once again and will gather believers to Himself on the Last Day.

    End quote.

    My point was that Matthew 24 was not about the rapture.

    Those taken away are gathered for judgment.

    She's rapturing the wrong group!

    Some say that the tribulation is a time of testing for God's people. Who and what is being tested? God's grip?

    We must consider these verses. John 10:28-29.

    I John 4:4.

    Matthew 28:20.

    John 14:18-20.

    Ephesians 3:30.

    Jude 1:24-25.

    Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

    So it's obvious God is not testing a spirit filled vessel.

    TRIBULATION.

    This is mentioned in Daniel 12 where a specific time period is mentioned and Jesus confirms it in Matthew 24:15-21. This tribulation is to come upon the whole world. This is not the persecution ( By the world ) promised to the Church in Matthew 5:10 and other places.

    There's a huge difference between persecution by the world and tribulation ( UPON ) the world.

    Millennium.

    Where does Christ thousand years reign here on earth fit in their theology?

    My reason for asking is they are split in this view.

    If you say the rapture comes after the tribulation and you use Matthew 24 to authenticate that, When is the thousand years reign of Christ here on earth?

    Why would you rapture people out of the Millennium?

    Some hold the view the Millennium has already begun and the Church will usher in the Millennium by preaching the Gospel.

    They say there is no rapture.

    Continue this weekend.

    God bless.
  • Eric - In Reply on Jude 1:9 - 2 years ago
    Many believe the 2 witnesses will be Moses and Elijah, which represent both the law (Moses) and the the prophets (Elijah). This perception is based on the fact that both were seen with Christ in the gospels by Peter on the Mount of Transfiguration where Peter asks Christ if he should build 3 tabernacles, 1 for Moses, 1 for Elijah and 1 for Christ.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Reflections on heaven part 4

    Ruling over angels.

    We are told that we will rule over angels in scripture. ( Heb. 2:5-9). There are other passages in Hebrews that discuss how Christ was brought a little lower than the angels; however for His earthly ministry; and how they seek to learn the mysteries of God and salvation. It would be wise to examine the admonitions of Jude 1:9 however. In this present day we cannot even have the wrong attitude contending with the devil when God has allowed his authority for His purposes in this age. We indeed will rule and reign with Him; but clearly we won't have some puffed up superiority with angels assigned under us. These same angels now are "ministering spirits" ( Heb. 1:14) who are incognito only appearing when needed for a specific purpose without any additional fanfare. There are other verses on us judging angels; which I don't care to speculate on in this forum due to space constraints.

    It was suggested in today's sermon that angels may be able to fill in what was going on that we couldn't see; or answer questions about how certain choices changed the course of events; etc. Surely we will learn more about specific ministries there; as well as between the differing ranks (Cherubim; and or beasts surrounding the throne; Archangels and others). Again; the angels that remained faithful were always drawing attention to God's glory and not themselves. Surely; that is how we will rule with Christ when He reigns in perfect righteousness; and settles disputes among nations ( Isaiah 2:4). There will be cities for us to rule over ( Luke 19:17) which someone could interpret as a figurative allegory but I see no reason why.

    God has given His angels great power; such as the one assigned to kill 185,000 in a day ( 2 Kings 19:35). Since they are not puffed up over having that type of authority; we also will not be when because of adoption as sons we are exalted since Christ died for men and not angels.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Jude 1:9 - 2 years ago
    I meant to say their ascension CAN'T be replicated although it could somehow be fabricated....
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Jude 1:9 - 2 years ago
    As with anything else; Hebrews 9:27 makes a plausible argument; but it isn't worth quibbling about. The nature of the unique ministry is quite remarkable; as there will clearly and at long last be an undeniable "signs and wonders" ministry that will dwarf anything seen before. This will; of course involve a prophetic contest between the truth and a lie; with fire coming down; a mark or seal; and a Resurrection being mimicked by the Beast immediately after these witnesses have completed their misistry (although their ascension can be replicated).

    I tend to emphasize the same concept as Christ preaching to the spirits of disobedience in hades. This is; along with likely the 144,000 primarily if not exclusively a DECLARATORY message of judgment rather than the Gospel as it stands today; since by the sixth seal ALL of mankind will know about God and Christ as well as the beginning of judgment. I would say this probably can be defined as the completion of the "Gospel of the Kingdom" ( Mark 1:14-15). The Gospel was said not to be given to all the cities of Israel before Messiah returns ( Matthew 24:14). There are certain verses about preaching to kings and having the Holy Spirit give the words which seem to be dual prophecies for the Apostles as well as the end time saints; as much of the generation that is described that will not pass until all these things come to pass seems to be describing later on in verse 34 of the same chapter.

    It does seem that there is a lag time between the Rapture and the appearance of the 2 witnesses. Since certain judgments on the earth are held back before the 144,000 and likely the 2 witnesses coinciding with that time frame; it would seem that time is needed (they say 6 months or so) for the Temple to be constructed and for most of the seal judgments to transpire first.

    That in my mind would also all ow the so called " Psalm 83" war to take out Israel's surrounding nations and their threats to come first before Ezekiel 38.
  • PROPHECY - In Reply on Jude 1:9 - 2 years ago
    Brother Luke:

    Enoch and Elijah are not the only two people in history that did not die but were translated into the presence of God. Anyone from the time of pentecost until the present that have been born again of the word of God, through the works of the cross, have not seen death. The two witnesses to this truth is Mosses and the prophets.

    John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me (truth and life) SHALL NEVER DIE .....

    Titus 1:2 In hope of ETERNAL LIFE, which God , that cannot lie, promised (witnessed by Mosses and the prophets) before the world began;


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