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Good morning all, it is the first day of the week. And it is lovely.

Jude 1:3

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Michael,

You seem to believe in your own doctrine in that only those who can speak in tongues have received the Holy Ghost. I am sorry to tell you this but you are wrong. Others have posted much Scripture on this that you seem to want to ignore. Nit picking verses like Mark 16 and thinking Jude 1:20 is the same as speaking in tongues. Seeming to have more zeal for different tongues than the teachings of Christ and the Word of God in the Holy Scriptures. God knows when we pray to Him no matter what, of the thousands, of languages it is in. God reads hearts not just an angelic tongue.

. 2 Corinthians 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

God Bless those who have the gift of speaking in unknown tongues. Like I stated before I see no use for this gift and am not interested in asking for it. My Father and Lord Jesus Christ know when I am speaking/praying to them.

I wish you well on your journey. God Bless.

Hey Michael,

I will do my best to answer your question of "How do you pray in the Holy Ghost" from Jude 1:20. Others may want to give their view on this also.

In my experience as I have only been saved by the Lord Jesus Christ for just under two years. My life has taken many turns from a power not of my own. Experiencing miracles of healing, repenting from things of this world, and my prayer life that was non existent before being led to the Lord. I will testify that the Holy Spirit has taught me how to pray. As starting out praying I would maybe only say the our Father prayer. The prayer I say now every day takes about one hour and is from my heart. I give all credit to the Holy Ghost expanding my prayer life.

One other thing is that when I pray I usually don't speak out of my mouth. It is in Spirit.

I agree with what S Spencer stated on the most excellent gift of the Holy Ghost being love/charity.

Hope that helps some. God Bless.

The sin of Cain was the same as those in Sodom and Gomorrah. In the book of Jude we are told that those in S&G took the same path as Cain. Jude 1:11, "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain." Cain was the first person to commit murder and that backs up the Scripture in Romans that tell us murder comes from those given to unnatural sex.

When fornication ends, and it will, all our social ills will end. It would be love for others if we would put an end to the sex of S&G. It is hateful to promote it for that is proof we don't care if other suffer.

I agree also Adam, how can they be fornication between husband and wife without a third party? MARILYN used Jude 1:7 to define fornication but the situation in Jude doesn't parallel with Adam and Eve,

Where is the husband and wife in Sodom and Gomorrah? Sodom and Gomorrah fornication was going after ""STRANGE"" flesh.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after ((((STRANGE flesh)))

Where is the strange flesh in the garden? Satan?

Or is she indirectly describing fornication the way she did in one of her earlier posts when she mentioned the type of sex Job didn't believe in?

She can directly clear this up but that would be uncomfortable,

So let's go back to the source of this topic.

MARILYN TELL US IN WHAT WAY DID ADAM AND EVE COMMIT FORNICATION?

Chris this is a quote from your comment--"Fornication cannot take place within marriage - if there is unfaithfulness, then it's called adultery."

How do you explain the following?

The following verse gives a man and his wife instructions not to sin. "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord" ( Colossians 3:18). This indicates a man and his wife can do what is unfit and the cross reference to "as it is fit in the Lord" refers one to Ephesians 5:3, "But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not be once named among you." Throughout scripture many verses tell a man and his wife there is a form of sexual behavior they should not engage in.

Fornication is clearly defined in Jude 1:7 as being the sex in Sodom and Gomorrah. "Sodom and Gomorrah giving themselves over to fornicationare set forth for an example." So we can see that God forbids all men and women, including husbands and wives to use their bodies for fornication. This truth is reinforced and made clear in 1 Corinthians 6:13 where it declares, "The body is not made for fornication, but for the Lord.

How can a wife and her husband commit adultery with each other as you tell us they can.?

May the grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be and abide with us for ever

What is majesty?

Can i understand what it means praying in the spirit and how to do it

Verse 24 and 25 .

With God all things are possible!

He is more than able !

In the Bible, we see God as a trinity because it mentions that God, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit each did these things below:

Each is ETERNAL ( Rom 16.26, Re 22:13, Heb 9:14)

HOLY (Re 4:8, 15:4, Ac 3:14, 1 John 2:20)

OMNIPRESENT ( Jer 23:24, Eph 1:23, Ps 139:7)

OMNIPOTENT( Ge 17:1, Rev 1:8, Ro 15:19, Jer 32:17, Heb 1:3, Lu 1:35)

ONMISCIENT (Ac 15:18, Joh 21:17, 1 Cor 2:10,11)

CREATOR ( Gen 1:1, Col 1:16, Job 33:4, Ps 148:5, John 1:3, Job 26:13)

SANCTIFIER ( Jude 1:1, Heb 2:11, 1 Pe 1:2)

RESURRECTED CHRIST ( 1 Co 6:14, Joh 2:19, 1 Pe 3:8)

Hope that helps.

Hello Claire

Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your comments. I guess we take a different view over what is biblical and what is not... and that's ok, so long as we earnestly contend for THE FAITH that was once delivered unto the saints. Jude 1:3.

The fact that there are children of God and children of the devil is clear wherever I read in the Bible, so that much is Biblical. It's all about predestination: Cain/Able, Jacob/Esau ( Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated) Jesus Christ/Judas Iscariot.

Jesus chose his words carefully in Mat 23:33. He knew precisely to whom he was speaking. Consider also 2Pet2 and Jude 1:10 and think about those brute beasts made to be taken and destroyed. How were they made and why? There are many other examples in the Bible that should prove to the reader the fact of two predestinated groups, one ordained to life, the other, much larger in number, destined for the lake of fire. We have a just and loving God. He is interested only in His own children, the children of the devil have their purpose in time but not in eternity.

Understanding the "mechanics" of how it all came about as part of God's master plan of being a saviour is wonderful to a true child of God. The two "lines" didn't come about by eating apples or any other botanical fruit. No, please read the early chapters of Genesis again... there's more to learn of the truth there.

These saints that Enoch spoke of where seen in Deuteronomy 33 v3 .

Yes, we get an indication of the physical Satan in Ezekiel 28:12-19. Though Ezekiel is directing his prophecy to the King of Tyrus, we understand that through the description of his wickedness, the picture of Satan (& specifically Satan's former position in Heaven as a 'cherub' & 'having being in the Garden of Eden') clearly show us a dual meaning to this prophecy. Yes, Satan had beauty & perfection (verses 12,13,17) & as a cherub, that position is normally associated in being in close proximity to God's Presence (as in the Tabernacle on Earth & over the Ark of the Covenant), & in relation to God's Holiness.

Why did Satan go bad? Verse 17 tells us that his heart "was lifted up because of his beauty". Not that he always admired himself 'in the mirror', but his heart was lifted up against the Most High, believing that he was as good or better than God. See Isaiah 14:12-15, & particularly, that he was perfect, Ezekiel 28:15 (sinless, as all the other heavenly beings), until his pride took over & he believed he was better than God. But the big question: how was it possible for Satan to sin, & can other heavenly beings likewise sin? It seems that even by being in the Holy Presence of God & finding complete delight in worshipping Him, there can still be that element of choice. For in his pride & estrangement from God, he also gathered to himself other 'defecting' angels (see 2 Peter 2:4; Revelation 12:7-9; Jude 1:6).

We see Jesus in His humanity, though pure & sinless, He was tempted of Satan (Matthew chapter 4). Jesus resisted Satan using God's Word against him. However, Satan was in the presence of God & His Word in Heaven, yet allowed the thought of grandeur to enter in & develop into sin ( James 1:15) & finally a full blown wickedness that saw him banished from God's Presence & ever since, working against God to bring & keep humanity in his solid grip. But the Cross of Jesus brings us release from that grip - if we can only trust Jesus for it.

The "Sons of God" were ANGELS, not men. The phrase is used only three (3) other times in the Old Testament , all in the Book of Job (1:6, 2:1, 38:7). In each of those verses, "the Sons of God" are clearly described as ANGELS. The only "son of God" in the Old Testament is ADAM, prior to the Fall of man in the Garden of Eden. Adam by His SIN, spiritually DIED (as God had warned Adam would happen), and Adam lost his "sonship" relation with God, as did ALL Adam's descendants, until Jesus Christ, who came to RESTORE man's broken relationship with God. Seth, Adam's son, and all his offspring were SONS OF ADAM, born spiritually DEAD and cut off from God, NOT "sons of God". It took Jesus Christ by His blood sacrificed for our sin- Adam 2 dying for Adam 's sin- to RESTORE man's lost relationship with God, so that Christ could say to His disciples after His Resurrection, "I go to My Father, and YOUR FATHER; to My God and YOUR GOD." There were NO human "sons of God" after Adam UNTIL JESUS CHRIST, and those who belong to Him, born of the Spirit from above. The "sons of God" referenced in Genesis 6 are FALLEN ANGELS who "left their first estate" and went after "strange flesh" and assumed human form (see 2nd Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6) and chose human wives who bore children to them- the super human hybrid Nephilim GIANTS. God punished those angels IMMEDIATELY with everlasting chains in darkness (unlike the remainder of Satan's Angel's who will be punished at the final end of history history. Go with what the Bible says! Not by human imagination or bias.

How wonderful to know ,that JESUS is able to keep us from falling,but,then HE presents us before the presence of his glory with exceeding great joy.Now,today,in this very moment.Let's bow before Him in thanksgiving ,let us worship him.

If when we die as a believer, the Spirit goes to be with God, our old bodies do not. We will be given new bodies.

The believer and the Savior ( Jude 1:24-25)

1. Jesus' ministry ( Jude 1:24)

a. His current ministry ( Jude 1:24a): Preventing us from falling down here.

b. His coming ministry ( Jude 1:24b): Presenting us faultless up there.

2. Jesus' magnificence ( Jude 1:25): "Glory, majesty, power, and authority belong to him, in the beginning, now, and forevermore. Amen."

I love and have memorized this verse!

A poem or hymn, rather, based on Jude 25 is

To God, the only wise,

In every age adored,

Let glory from the Church arise,

Through Jesus Christ our Lord.

LORD, AT THIS CLOSING HOUR

Words: Eleazor T. Fitch, in the Connecticut Congregational Psalms & Hymns, 1854.

Thank you Rev. Les for your thoughts on that matter. I must confess that I haven't given much consideration about "dreams" that come to us during sleep. I've always kept them separate from voluntary dreams (imaginations) to those that come to us involuntarily during sleep. But I can see what you're saying: that if our minds are so engaged (in this instance), in vile things while awake, then there could well be a reflection of this during those involuntary occasions. So, thank you for those added thoughts. Blessings.

I am not sure I agree completely with Chris, and that's okay but here is what I see;

This word:

en-oop-nee-ad'-zom-ahee

Middle voice from G1798; to dream: - dream (-er).

Is the middle voice of:

en-oop'-nee-on

From G1722 and G5258; something seen in sleep, that is, a dream (vision in a dream): - dream.

So, it can actually be like daydreaming of evil things or actually sleeping and having evil dreams. Jude 8, using the word "Likewise" is referring to verse 7 about the filthy people in Sodom and Gomorrah. It compares these people not only to the Angels who left their first estate, the Jews that were destroyed due to unbelief, but to the sexual sins of Sodom and the surrounding cities.

If we are prone to Unbelief, Self Exaltation, or Dreams of Sexual Sins we must lay it before God and ask him to show us what is the root cause of these things. Confession and the power of the Grace of God can give us victory over these things. The Lord bless you both.

Hi Paul,

Have you read Romans 8:9 ? This answers that question with 100% certainty. Man's opinion doesn't matter on this, only what God says and God said it clearly through his Word in Romans 8:9.

God bless...

In a Biblical discussion class I shared that everyone DOES NOT have God's spirit dwelling in them as on of the brothers had earlier mentioned. Now I'm beginning to doubt and wonder because thouhg not having the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit could it be that all have the essence of God's Spirit in them giving that speak of light. So do all have God lvin in the or not?

God bless you brother Mishael

Thank you for taking the time and effort to respond in detail to what I wrote. Please do not for a moment consider that I think I know more than another brother. That is certainly not what I was in any way implying.

Please provide evidence that Cain is recorded as Adam's firstborn. I have never seen this in the Bible. The genealogy of Adam goes through Seth very clearly. (This is of course because Abel was killed, and because Cain was not Adam's son) Also in Jude 1:14 (And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these...) the Bible would be wrong if Cain was Adam's son because then Enoch would have been the eighth, not seventh.

Please provide evidence that I am fixated on nakedness, wantoness, adultery and covering sex organs. I was simply responding to another brother's question. Nor do I remember having mentioned sex before in any of the 30-odd comments I have been able to make on this Godly discussion board.

You write "The entire Bible is about Jesus: Genesis to the last verse in Revelation". God bless you for knowing that. It is certainly true. Amen. Notice what our Lord said to the Pharisees in John chapter 8: Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. /// Jesus is telling the Pharisees that they are like the children of the serpent seed (Cain's line). The Pharisees reply that they are not born of fornication (No, they are not like the children of the serpent who fornicated with Eve). This is just one example of the many Many MANY references to the serpent seed found throughtout the Bible.

Dear brother, if you would like to grow even more in your loving understanding of our Lord's purpose for us, please do consider reading up about the serpent seed doctrine.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Hello David,

Seeing your post just made me wonder. You know satan was not ever in Heaven? So what do you take of say 2 Peter 2:4 or Jude 1:6? Which are pretty straight forward. About angels sinning. I'll just state this. God our Eternal Father is so much higher than us. As His ways, and thoughts, also are so high above us.

So as I believe things between angels and "us" are two different categories. One thing I believe our Father gives all is "free will". I myself would never condemn anyone(person) who was say "touched" by the Lord. Say they repented well and dropped many sinful things of this world. Then say they made a mistake and did something "sinful". Would you say that person is no longer saved? Even if they knew they made a mistake, confessed to the Lord, and tried to learn from it and keep on repenting and living for the Lord?

We are still here in earth. I know there are some people who say they are "perfect" and "sin free" after being saved by the Lord. I myself could never say that. Keeping a humble state of mind. I only see my Lord Jesus Christ, and my Holy Father, as perfect. I try my best to follow in the footsteps of the Lord and live for the Will of our Father. As I don't condemn people this does not mean I say it's ok, or right, to "sin". I guess I just have more "mercy" and "forgiveness" in me than "judgement" or "condemnation".

I know we're all different and have our own views. This is not to start an argument. I just felt to post from the heart.

God Bless you.

i believe in every word in the bible & i would confess my sins , isn't that requiring a catholic church !!?? shall i be catholic or Protestant or Orthodox !!? as long as i'm non dimensional & not baptized !!??

by the way i love how in the catholic churchs when i hear them this way every Sunday , there is a catholic church in my city : that chanting & singing makes me too emotional & feeling that i belong to be next to them .

i'm addicted in reading the bible after seeing the lord jesus as he showed me the salvation from the vision , i woke up smiling & tried to resume sleeping even i'm late for university, i didn't care that day , i had the thirst to see him again and i feel all ready to be a pastor for his glory .

gonna keep studying the bible Philippians 1:11 , i still did not finish GENESIS because i'm analysing everything to finish building my soul in a christian thirst manner Isaiah 6:3 , so i will not ever lose the passion at all in jesus's spirite

Jude 1:20 .

he is all the way to salvation Ephesians 3:21 and Genesis 49:18

jesus came to me , he may knew my soul that fought against extrimism as a teenager & i been abused for the fights i had & now i'm a grown up man 23yo & i'm sure he been watching me when i was a child and a teenager & came that day 9/11/2020 to glorify me in the vision . John 3:16 & John 14:6

Hello. If you truly care about him. Along with him saying he would listen to you about God. What I would say or start with is: "Why does he worship satan and where did he learn about him from"? As this could have come to him in many ways like music, family, trend, etc. Then just try to tell him the truth that satan does not care about him or anyone but himself. The devil knows he is already damned and just wants to destroy as many lives as he can. Here are a couple Bible verses I looked up showing that satan is the enemy and is already damned.

Matthew 4:1-10 , Jesus being tempted by him in the desert.

John 16:11 , the devil(prince of this world) has already been judged

Revelation 12:7-9 , satan being cast down to earth

Revelation 20:1-15 , satan cast into the lake of fire

Jude 1:6-9 , fallen angels and Michael Archangel contending with devil

John 8:44 , devil is the father of lies

Galatians 5:19-21 , lusts of the flesh(what the devil wants people to do)

Along with the others who responded to you. All else I can really say is be careful. Pray to our Father and Jesus Christ to lead you. Maybe try to read through the Bible with him. Show him that Jesus Christ is the only way. He may turn from satan or you may have to leave him. You will be in my prayers. God Bless.

John 6:66

After this many of his disciples TURNED BACK and no longer walked with him

(Jesus).

HEBREWS 10

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

Hosea 14:4

I will heal their apostasy; I will love them freely, for my anger has turned from them.

Revelation 3:16

So, because you are lukewarm, and NEITHER hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

2 Timothy 2:18

Who have SWERVED from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.

Book of Jude 1:

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:33

But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

Hebrews 9:28

So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, NOT TO DEAL WITH SIN, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction

Hebrews 3:12

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

Galatians 1:8-9

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I SAY AGAIN, If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you (first) received, let him be accursed.

Jude, in this passage was writing in condemnation of those who perverted the Truths of God & that we Christians should recognize them & to "earnestly contend for our faith". He speaks of the history of the Israelites who were saved from Egypt but many of them sinned later in various ways ( Jude 1:5); of the angels who left their first estate (Heaven), who sinned & are now held in chains awaiting judgement (v 6); of Sodom & Gomorrah who were given to licentious behaviour & homosexuality, now awaiting their doom in hell fire (v 7).

So, in like manner (v 8), these "filthy dreamers" (those men of verse 4, "who crept (into their fellowship) unawares"), also preach similar errors, who despise authority & governments & speak evil of things they are ignorant of (v 10). So, "dreamers" are people that have imagined themselves to be persons of great knowledge or reputation & so having a 'godly' authority to bring 'God's message', which of course was not so & contrary to Scriptural Truths. Today, we might tell someone to "dream on", if they come to us with some outlandish statement or belief that something wonderful is going to happen to them. These dreamers (& "filthy" is not in the original text but an adjective to describe their similarity to the other wicked people mentioned), were bringing messages coming from their carnal minds & hearts of pride, rather than Scriptural based.

I am not sure what is meant by 'dreamers.' Is it those who are 'asleep?' Or is it those who are interpreting false dreams and saying they are prophecies? I just don't understand this. If someone could explain this verse, I would appreciate it. Thank you.