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Dear Adam,

I do believe Jesus spoke in parables and I'm sure you will agree that he spoke literally as well. New Testament refers to Jesus as the paschal/passover lamb ( 1 Corinthians 5:7). Vegan Jews didn't skip eating the lamb at the Passover - eating the flesh was a requirement to fulfill God's ultimatum. When Jesus said we are to eat and drink his flesh and blood he meant it.

You cherry picked the John 6 passage. Continue on:

55For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

60Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?"

61When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?

66From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?"

If Jesus was speaking symbolically, He would have called those who were leaving and said "Wait a minute, here's what I really meant." No He didn't and to make the point He was willing to have his apostles go away if they didn't believe what he said. The Eucharist is the ultimate "call to Faith" that Jesus gave the members of His Church and the ultimate gift. The saying of a couple in love saying "I could just eat you" - well in this case, Jesus meant it. He is the manna for the Journey, the living bread, the Eucharist. The Eucharist is the crown jewel that the Protestants threw out when rebelling. And as for the Pope, read up on when Jesus gave Peter the "keys" and what that means. That should resolve your Pope issues and succession. Joseph in the old testament had the "keys" to Egypt. Also remember, the Church came 400 years before the Bible. The bible has truth, but not the whole truth. That is found in the Tradition of the Catholic Church. "Eat my flesh and drink my blood" - NOT SYMBOLIC. The devil has tricked you. God's blessings brother.

Hi Coleen,

First of all, my sister, I pray that you will return to the one True Faith, the Catholic Church, the one Jesus founded. I think you will be given that opportunity very soon. As for your specific comment about "Father", your interpretation was taken literally and out of context. Context is CRITICAL when interpreting the Bible.

Perhaps the most pointed New Testament reference to the theology of the spiritual fatherhood of priests is Paul's statement, "I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" ( 1 Cor. 4:14-15).

Peter followed the same custom, referring to Mark as his son: "She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark" ( 1 Pet. 5:13). The apostles sometimes referred to entire churches under their care as their children. Paul writes, "Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children" ( 2 Cor. 12:14); and, "My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!" ( Gal. 4:19).

John said, "My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" ( 1 John 2:1); "No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth" ( 3 John 4). In fact, John also addresses men in his congregations as "fathers" ( 1 John 2:13-14).

By referring to these people as their spiritual sons and spiritual children, Peter, Paul, and John imply their own roles as spiritual fathers. Since the Bible frequently speaks of this spiritual fatherhood, we Catholics acknowledge it and follow the custom of the apostles by calling priests "father."

Come home dear sister!

Hi Mike,

I'd like to share an alternate viewpoint if you are open to it.

Do you believe that Jesus often spoke parables? These stories and metaphors were a means for teaching and he explained why he used them: Luke 8:10

So, when Jesus said to eat his flesh and blood in John 6:53 did he literally mean to kill him and resort to cannibalism? I believe not, based on all his previous metaphors. Even his followers knew it was symbolic, but didn't quite understand the symbolism yet.

Jesus also said a few verses earlier in John 6:35 that he's the bread of life. Does that mean he's literally a loaf of bread walking and talking? It was a metaphor.

Jesus also explained the purpose of communion in Luke 22:19. Do it in remembrance of Him. If the goal was to literally eat and drink Jesus then you would think he would not have said this. It suggests the whole purpose of communion is to remember Jesus and His sacrifice for our sins and not that we're supposed to literally eat and drink him as food.

Also Jesus says John 14:6, John 10:9, Acts 4:12 that he's the only way for salvation. Not a man. So, I feel if a religion uses another man, like a Pope, in-between you and Jesus that you must go through then it is a false teaching inconsistent with scripture.

God bless!

If Catholics knew who the Father was I would have stayed on board. (Since most of us here in the US has that family background, which was changed in Massachusetts many years ago from being a Prodestant nation. But after denouncing the Catholic church and studying the King James Holy Bible, I discovered all the things the Catholic church practices is not biblical in fact everything they do goes against scripture.

Here's just the first one.....

Matthew 23:9

"And call nomanyour father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

King James Version (KJV)

Protestants do not believe in the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. but this gift from Jesus has been perpetuated thru the Mass from the very beginning of the Church when Jesus instituted it at the last supper. "This is my Body" "This is my blood" no room for wiggle nor symbolism. Up unto the protestant revolution, there was only the Catholic/Christian Church and Christians believed that Jesus was substantially in the bread and wine after the consecration. Even Paul chastised people for eating and drinking the Lord unworthily and will be held guilty of profaning the body and blood of Jesus. He wouldn't say that if it was just symbolic. Check out "Eucharistic Miracles" via Google. What more intimate union could Jesus leave us than to leave His flesh and blood to nourish ourselves with for the journey home? He is God's "manna". In a backhanded compliment, why do you think satanists in their black Mass use a consecrated Catholic Host to perform their blasphemies. Why do you think it was mandatory that the Jews eat the lamb to complete the Pascal/Passover meal. It was a premonition of what Jesus was going to do at the Last Supper.

Soon, very soon, Jesus is going to have a "one on one" with everyone in the world about the state of their soul as He sees it (See the book "The Warning" by former atheist Christine Watkins). He will also make everyone aware that He is God and that the Catholic Church is the church that He founded and wants people to belong to because it is the surest route to Heaven via His grace giving sacraments.

So, yes, if you are not Catholic, you are not "technically" fulfilling this command of Jesus. So, come aboard. We have plenty of room for sinners wanting to become saints.

Hi Mike,

I'd like to hear your thoughts on why you think only a Catholic can follow Jesus's instruction?

So, if you are not Catholic, you are not fulfilling this command of Jesus.

J. Reid from Canada :),

T. Levis from USA

This is a hugely debated issue within churches 4 sure.

John 13:34-35

Romans 16:17-18

2 Timothy 2:14-15

If there isn't a rapture could it be the cause of a great falling away?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

Revelation 6:8-11

GOD be with us all who believe, love & trust HIM, to strengthen, hold, protect & keep us faithful

Jude 1:24-25

John 10:28-29

Genesis 5:21-24

2 Kings 2:11

Mark 16:19

Acts 1:6-9

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Mathew 24:37-46

I hope these are helpful

Glad to hear ! Yes The Church will prevail by Jesus . It's not too late for others to repent and get right with God , as in the seven Churches . Jesus knows all and will not except a Luke warm church .

Read revelation 20 v 4 ,5 , 6

This is the First Resurrection . And all that believe in Jesus . John chapter 6 v 39 , 40

Jesus said He is the resurrection in John 11 v 24 , 25, 26

What people often refer to the rapture is actually the first Resurrection. There are not two Resurrections for Gods saints .

That makes no sense at all .

There are many more scriptures , but these should be enough . This is Jesus own words and teaching , are mans more correct ? That's why I find it easier to believe Jesus than any man .

2 Timothy 3 v15,16,17 are essential to practice or deception is probable these days . Since the 1800s we have been bombarded with heresy and cults . Look at all the date setters proven wrong . The list is long .

This is prophetic, a time to come - treasure was heaped up FOR the last days...

Good day:

My question concerns the meaning and/or use of the word "rapture." Through my recent study of God's Word, my understanding of the word, rapture is to depart as departure, leave, exit, caught up, etc.



Many fellow believers believe in pre, mid, or post Tribulation. Others do not believe in a Rapture. This has caused much confusion on my part.

My question has 2 parts: What is the True Meaning of Rapture and When does the Rapture Occur? [Scripture supported answers]

Thank you, Kindly

God bless

J. Reid from Canada

Thanks Bob:

Yes I do agree, and I am grateful that Jesus has already forewarned us. We should be paying attention to the signs.

Only the father knows the actual day . But all the signs Jesus plainly told us , like for example the moon goes red the sun goes dark , armies of the world surround Jerusalem.

And the Antichrist must appear after the following away .

Yes be ready to go through much , The Lord will be our way through it all . Amen !

Did the new church honored the Sabbath?

I admit 2 god that i am not living fully theway ishould do u think by asking him for something i want he would bless me with it?

I can't think off hand of any biblical reference to 'person/persons' to the Deity, as this seems to rather be our own use of such words to describe the Triune God.

However, I think it's interesting your mention of the meaning of 'being made in the Image of God'. If we understand the Trinity to be Almighty God expressing Himself in His Word & His Spirit, which 'persons' He can send forth whenever & wherever He chooses as part of His Existence & Activity, then true, the creation of man cannot be compared to the tri-personage of God. We are essentially spirit, clothed in a body & with a mind & conscience akin to the Deity, yet far removed from Him. Probably, Adam & Even in their unfallen state, would more closely resemble the Image of God portrayed to us, by their purity, innocency, obedience, etc., all of which were corrupted by the fall & now our inescapable lot.

Therefore, it is my understanding that the 'Image of God' application to mankind can't be an exact replica of the Godhead, in as far as Who God is, but rather, having been endowed with sufficient godly qualities & abilities (though now corrupted by sin), we can now identify more closely with our Maker, in understanding His Word, His Love, & reflecting these & other divine qualities to others around us. So for necessity sake, our sins & fallen nature had to be dealt with at the Cross, so that we may have at least a renewed, enlivened spirit that brings us back into harmony with God's Purposes for His children. Though still in a weak & corrupted body, our spirits now long for the One Who longingly waited for us, so at least a part of our personal trinity (spirit, soul & body) may now be acceptable to Him: by His Grace & Power alone.

Is the word "person or persons" associated to the Godhead anywhere in the scriptures?

The reason I ask is this; if we are made in the image of God, then nowhere in the scriptures does it state that we have three persons in our being as God created us!....hence how are we to understand the epistemology of Genesis 1:26?

Verse 2 wants us to have a prosperous soul which is of the inside. It is the prosperous soul that manifest in the physical that brings about good health and prosperity. The Devils should not limit us in any way. We shall live in health and prosper.

Prayer and fasting

He's preaching from the book of acts 3000. Does anyone know what that is? Just curious...

Hi Bob, are you speaking of Amillenialism?

Carleton

The word rapture is not found in the Word of God, but 1Thessalonians 4:17 reveals that the saints who are alive and remain at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ shall be caught up together with them (those who have fallen asleep in Christ), in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. The words being "caught up" is the Resurrection of the Saints. I do not believe that we should form an opinion of whether or not He is coming pre, mid, or post tribulation. The truth of the matter is Jesus already told us we don't know the day or the hour when the Son of Man is coming, so how is it that we are having disputes over when He's coming. Jesus said, "Watch, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that ye think not." Matthew 24:44 & Luke 12:46

What is Jesus saying, He is saying that we must be ready at all times. For He is coming as a thief in the night!

Thank God for the Bible and the truth !

Most likely will not find much in the comments here !

Jesus said he would raise up all that believe in him on the last day x times in this chapter . and in John 11 he also said he is the resurrection.

So how is it possible for a pretrib rapture ? Are you going to be resurrected twice ?

Jesus is coming 3 times ?

My word means Jesus himself John 1:1 & 14 . And also John 6:63 says Lords word's has Life and Spirit in it but not in the words (Doctrines) of a man. So when we remain in the word's of our Lord Jesus Christ. then we shall know (Understand) The Truth and the Truth will deliver us.

Genesis 1:30

"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so

John 6:63

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Note: as it relate to death, Yes! mankind has entered into death since Adam & EVE, never-the-less 4 times above JESUS gave them and us HIS assurance of HIS power over death, therefore we need not be fearful of death because once we rightly apply John 3:16-21 or similar verses we have assurance from JESUS we shall be raised up at the last day. PLUS.....

Note: Revelation 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to HIM, for The Marriage Of The LAMB is come, and HIS wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And HE saith unto me, write, blessed are they which are called unto The Marriage Supper Of The LAMB. And HE saith unto me, these are the true sayings of GOD.

Genesis 9:4 Only, you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Exodus 24:8 Moses took the blood and dashed it on the people, and said, 'See the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.'

Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations, in all your settlements: you must not eat any fat or any blood.

Leviticus 7:26 - 27 You must not eat any blood whatever, either of bird or of animal, in any of your settlements. Any one of you who eats any blood shall be cut off from your kin.

Leviticus 17:10 - 12 [ Eating Blood Prohibited ] If anyone of the house of Israel or of the aliens who reside among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut that person off from the people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel: No person among you shall eat blood, nor shall any alien who resides among you eat blood.

Leviticus 17:14 For the life of every creature-its blood is its life; therefore I have said to the people of Israel: You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off.

Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:24 He said to them, 'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20 And he did the same with the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

John 6:54 - 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.

Jesus is not God, He is the Son of God, this is the start of being a witness unto him, where to start... 1 John 4:9-15, Ephesians 1:19-20, Luke 18:18-19, 1 John 5:1-11, John 5:17-47, Hebrews 10:12, John 6:38, Matthew 16:13-17, Romans 1:9, 1 Corinthians 3:23, John ch 14, John 10:36-38, Matthew 24:36, John 8:54, John 10:17-18, Hebrews 1:1-9, Matthew 27:46, Mark 14:36, Matthew 10:40, Revelations 3:21, Mark 12:35-39, 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Matthew 20:23, Revelations 1:1, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 1 Timothy 2:5, John 1:18