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What does Isaiah 22:20-30 means in laymen terms

No problem Paul,

On this "God and Jesus are not the same" all I can do is give you my perception on this. As other people may have different views. Maybe others more learned than I would like to share but I will proclaim what I feel about our Lord Jesus Christ. I do not believe Jesus Christ is God the Father as it seems pretty obvious to me as they are two, Father and Son. Although things like Jesus stating "I and the Father are One" and "If you have seen me you have seen the Father" some people may use those to proclaim that "Jesus is God". As I have said before I really have no problem with people saying Jesus is God as they are One. As God is Spirit the Father being in the Son and the Son in the Father is truth. They being One. All things that the Father has have been given to the Son.

Jesus Christ being the Elect or Chosen One of God. He is the Word of God and the Perfect Lamb of God. The Mediator between God Almighty and man. Sent to us by our Perfect Father in Heaven to bear our sins on His shoulders.(1 John 2:1-2. By the Glorious Grace and love that God has for us. I believe Isaiah 42 is a good chapter, in the Old Testament, that speaks about Jesus Christ.

Maybe some other verses of Jesus and the Father not being the "same" even though they are One:

Proverbs 30:4

Matthew 26:39

John 8:17-18

John 20:17

( 1 Timothy 2:5

The Book of John is my favorite out of the four books of the journey of Chirst. Reading chapter 15-17 is good to see correlation between the Father and Son.

I hope what I have replied helps you. This is Truth to me in how my eyes have been lead to perceive the Lord Jesus Christ. And no person has taught me these things.

God Bless you brother.

This is a Bible forum ,why am i hearing about politics ,its unacceptable to me . How about i tell you all about my stamp collecting ? Or my holidays last year ? No ? I thought not . No politics please .

This shows how what we hear is colored by what we think we know to the point it twists what is said into a falsehood. This is how witnesses at the trial spoke as they did, saying Jesus said He would destroy the (temporal) temple and rebuild it in 3 days. This same way of hearing is destroying an entire nation because people are doing the same with the words of our former president to fit their narrative.

I believe that Mary, being a devout believer, knew Isaiah 25 and saw the implications of that prophecy in the lack of wine at the wedding in Cana. Notice she did not ask Jesus to do anything, just called his attention to the symbolism. She did not demand He do something. I believe his response was not rude but confirmation to her of who he was, using the term Woman. If one can see it as an authoritative statement not an insult. When he says "Mine hour is not yet come", it appears He is not talking about His ministry, but His death, again confirming who He is. This seemed to prompt Mary into action, recognizing the manifestation of the scripture through his words. He satisfied the need as it fits the prophecy of Isaiah 25, a very recognizable prophecy of who He was. He would again refer to her as Woman at the Cross. Again, authoritative, not rude.

I love the Word of God and I trust the Word of God :)

Dear Harold, the short answer to that is: our salvation with its promises are given by God our Creator & Redeemer & are not from the intellect or authority of man. If man had devised this plan & given us an assurance, we have every reason to doubt & despair. But if God has done the Work of saving man, even to the giving of His Son to secure our salvation, then we know that He can be wholly depended on for that salvation & indeed, every promise given to us. John 6:37: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out", is Jesus' personal promise to each one who has been appointed to receive eternal life & who approaches Jesus via the Cross. None who come to God in this way (His Way) will ever be rejected.

But the long answer is found in the reading of the whole Epistle of John. I can't share it in depth, but if you read it carefully with some things in mind, you'll receive much confirmation & blessing to your heart. There are four main reasons the Apostle John gives for writing this letter: 1 John 1:4, "These things write we unto you, that your joy may be full"; 1 John 2:1: "These things write I unto you, that ye sin not"; 1 John 2:26: "These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you"; and 1 John 5:13: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

As you read this epistle, keeping in mind those four reasons for writing given by John (i.e. for the fullness of your joy, to abstain from sin, be aware of & reject false teaching, and to know for sure that eternal life is your possession both now & into eternity), the Spirit Who inspired these Truths, will confirm to your heart that what has taken place in your life, is not false or wasted, but done in God's Power & Plan for you. Heaven is your present possession - walk on joyfully. The Lord bless you.

Ephesians 4:30 30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Most of us grieves the Holy Spirit = when we disobey our Lord, the Holy Spirit is burden with sorrow, so it cannot blend or unite with our human spirit. When we: lie, even white lies but don't repent, gossip, spread false doctrine, judge others, unkind or ungodly thoughts, finding faults with others, blaming others for our mistakes, anger and being deceitful, manipulating others to get your ways, self-justification, adultery, fornication, stubbornness, prideful, refuse to speak to family members, homosexuality, others.



1 John 2:15 - 16 15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Here are four specific examples of situations in which the disciples didn't "get it," Holy Spirit not in them.

In John 4:31-34, the disciples encouraged Jesus to eat, and He replied, "I have food to eat of which you do not know." Jesus' closest followers thought their Master was referring to physical food, so He explained to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work."

Matthew and Mark report that Jesus taught His hearers that certain things coming out of an individual defile him or her, not specific, forbidden foods that enter into a person or failing to perform a ritual such as hand washing. The disciples asked for an explanation. Jesus gently rebuked them and explained real problems arose from "evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness." Every one of "these evil things," He said, "come from within and defile a man" ( Mark 7:21-23).

This can happen to us today, if and when we grieve the Holy Spirit.

Rebecca, may the Spirit grace you with his understanding.

Most things in God's word have to be discerned by applying multiple scriptures and all applied against:

1 John 2:27 But the anointing (Holy Ghost in you) which ye have received (by grace) of him (Holy Ghost) abideth in you, and you NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACH YOU; but as the same anointing (the Holy Ghost) teacheth you ALL things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (the Holy Ghost) hath taught you, ye shall abide (become one) in him (the Holy Ghost).

Ephesians 4:21 If so be that ye have HEARD him (the Holy Ghost), and have been taught by him (the Holy Ghost), as the truth is in Jesus (THE WORD OF GOD).

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by HEARING, and HEARING by the WORD OF GOD (studying, meditating).

The scriptures were written by men under the influence of the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 19:10 .... for the testimony (words) of Jesus (THE WORD) is the spirit of prophecy.

2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy came.....as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Now to your question, what does it mean to blaspheme the Holy Ghost. Since the WORD (truth) was written by the Holy Ghost, you blaspheme when you call his WORD a lie. Example:

1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE in the sight of God our Saviour; who WILL HAVE all men to be saved, and come to the KNOWLEDGE of the truth.

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, thy WILL BE DONE in earth, as it (HIS WILL) is in heaven.

1 Timothy 4:10-11 .....who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.

(vs) 11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.

Psalm 22:27 ALL the ends of the world shall REMEMBER and TURN unto the LORD: and ALL KINDREDS OF THE NATIONS SHALL WORSHIP BEFORE THEE.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (Father) that put ALL THINGS under him (Son) that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

WE all blaspheme on our journey to TRUTH just REPENT and TURN to the new found TRUTH.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god

john1-1. john 1-14 and the wod was made flesh and dwelt among us.

hell awaits those on these comments who deny the deity of jesus christ.

isaiah 9-6, isaiah7-14, john8-58,john14-6, col2-9, rev22-13. repent of your

foolish false doctrine.

Cathy, I just respond to your question here only, as you've asked a similar question a couple of times. I can see that this issue is troubling you a lot & it is important. When I read about 'forgiveness' in the Bible, whether of God's forgiveness of us or us forgiving someone else, it speaks of an act of love that demands no further repercussions from us. Just as God Who forgives us of our sins when we come to Him in faith because of Jesus' Sacrifice, God's forgiveness then requires that He no longer remains angry with us & that He no longer holds our many sins as still accountable before Him. In other words, when God forgives, He treats us as clean, innocent of all crimes & fully acceptable to Him into His family.

But does God forget? He being God, cannot suddenly have the thought of us just having wronged Him, be obliterated from His Mind - that wouldn't make sense. So, His forgiveness will make us not guilty before Him but not release His Mind from knowing that we were & still are sinners. Even of Jesus when He walked on Earth, it was said of Him in John 2:24,25, "But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men; and needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man." Many people began to believe in Him because of His miracles, but still He did not "commit Himself to them" (or, He didn't put His trust or confidence in their good words about Him), because He knew the true condition of their hearts.

In yours & our situation, we are told to forgive one another & so we should, so that we demonstrate a true heart's response to someone else's wrong against us based on the love of Christ in us. But we need to be prudent, knowing that our hearts are prone to doing evil, & so in our forgiveness of someone else, we remain cautious (i.e. we fully accept that person into our hearts but careful if there happens to be signs of a recurrence of such acts against us). We must forgive but we remain cautious, remembering what we all are.

Kevin, may the Holy Spirit grace you with (spiritual) understanding and (spiritual) wisdom.

1 Corinthians 15:45 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Revelation 11:15...... The kingdoms or this world (natural and can be seen with natural eyes) are become the kingdoms of the Lords (spiritual and not seen with natural eyes).......

Revelation is symbolic and can not be discerned with natural eyes, but the Holy Spirit has to grace you with spiritual eyes. Ask and you shall receive.

Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God......

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH in you?

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up (21) but he spake of the temple of his body.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ......

Revelation 15:8 And the temple (you and the Holy Ghost, which is Christ in Spirit) was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues were fulfilled.

Since all mankind was given access to the Holy Ghost at pentecost; therefore, the plagues were pour out before pentecost. Most of mankind is looking through natural eyes; therefore, they think they will be able to see these plagues, but the plagues being carried out are in the spiritual form and can't be seen with natural eyes, but the same results will occur on those they are imposed on.

You have to become well acquainted with the prophecies to even begin to understand Revelation and if the Holy Ghost is not guiding you it is impossible to understand. Ask and you shall receive.

There are many more details and many more scriptures that clarify Revelation 15, but not near enough spare to share in 2000 words.

The Spirit grace you with eyes to see.

Thank you Chris. It's always better to let the scriptures explain the scriptures. I appreciate the reference to I John 2:22-23.

You can get different interpretations of this verse, as also seen in verse 8 of 1 John chapter 5. I've heard it as being associated with Jesus' baptism in 'water' & the culmination of earthly Work by the shedding of His 'Blood' at the Cross. And this may well be correct as I can see its inference.

However, I rather see these verses, & being consistent with John's Gospel chapter 3:5: "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.", as applying to Jesus' physical Birth. Why I also think in this way, is because much of John's epistle is devoted to highlighting the Gnostic teaching entering the Church & for believers to stand on apostolic teaching, to not be swayed by these others, & be confident in their faith. One aspect of this Gnostic (Docetic) teaching was that "the incarnation (i.e. Jesus coming in the flesh, from God) was incredible (unbelievable), as deity cannot unite itself with anything material (such as a body of flesh)."

So the Gnostics rejected the idea that God could make Himself appear in material human form (as many even reject this now) but said that Jesus was only a special Perfect Man & without the Divine in Him. So what 1 John 5:6 is saying, is that Jesus did come from God in human form (water & blood depicting the birth process & the human aspects) & God's Spirit witnesses to this fact. As there are three that bear witness in Heaven (verse 7), so to on Earth, three bear witness & agree together: the Spirit & Christ's full humanity (water & blood).

In 1 John 2:22,23, John had to relate a similar warning to the Christians: that the one who denies the Divinity of Jesus (i.e. that He came from God & in the flesh, & has both the Divine & Human natures) has the anti-Christ spirit within him & has to be avoided. I hope this helps you - others may contribute their understanding on these verses also, as you can also get other opinions from different Bible commentators.

Whatever he tells you to do, do it! jesus won't tell us to do anything wrong. whatever it is you can be sure you will benefit from it! it will be for our good and his glory! and it will surely help someone else, either then or in the future. and yes, this is what the church should be doing, whatever jesus tells us to do.

In the Bible, we see God as a trinity because it mentions that God, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit each did these things below:

Each is ETERNAL ( Rom 16.26, Re 22:13, Heb 9:14)

HOLY (Re 4:8, 15:4, Ac 3:14, 1 John 2:20)

OMNIPRESENT ( Jer 23:24, Eph 1:23, Ps 139:7)

OMNIPOTENT( Ge 17:1, Rev 1:8, Ro 15:19, Jer 32:17, Heb 1:3, Lu 1:35)

ONMISCIENT (Ac 15:18, Joh 21:17, 1 Cor 2:10,11)

CREATOR ( Gen 1:1, Col 1:16, Job 33:4, Ps 148:5, John 1:3, Job 26:13)

SANCTIFIER ( Jude 1:1, Heb 2:11, 1 Pe 1:2)

RESURRECTED CHRIST ( 1 Co 6:14, Joh 2:19, 1 Pe 3:8)

Hope that helps.

The short answer to the meaning of God's Grace is, 'God's unmerited favour or kindness shown to us'. That is, God has chosen to show us His Love & Kindness even when we were the 'last people on Earth' to deserve it. Actually, theologically, I like to look at it this way: God is a Merciful God (i.e. His very being of Love, Holiness, Justice, etc. also has Mercy as a very important integral part of the Being of God). So when God demonstrates His Mercy (that part of His Character) & sheds it upon us an undeserving people, we receive it as His Grace in our lives. I realize that often the words 'Mercy & Grace' are used by Christians interchangeably, but to help my understanding & when sharing God's Word, I like to show a differentiation between the two, though both are certainly vitally connected.

And God's Mercy, shown to mankind by His Grace, has always been the enjoyment & security of all those who are called by Him to receive it. To Israel, they were selected as God's chosen, for no other reason than to pour out His Love upon them as He had promised to their fathers, & to make them a special (holy) people (see Deuteronomy 7:6-9). And to us today, to as many as have been called to salvation & eternal life, God has persisted in that Love for all of us, by sending us His Son to be our Substitute to receive His punishment for our sins. There was no other way that God could justify in keeping the human race going on in sin. Just as He destroyed all but few in the Great Flood, so His Mind was that He would do it again for the volume of sins that were before Him. But at the appointed time to hold back that Wrath ( Romans 5:6), He sent Jesus to pay sin's price on our behalf & to avert (to change direction) His Anger against us (1 John 2:2, 4:10). So His Anger was then placed upon Jesus (as our sin-bearer) that those who put their trust in Him can be declared 'not guilty'. Such was the load that Jesus bore for us: our sin & God's Anger.

Such is God's Grace given to us.

To know that your experience of re-birth by God's Spirit is real, is found in the testimony from God's Word & by the witness of His Spirit to your heart.

There are many Scriptures that tell us, what God has done in a truly repentant, confessing sinner, is a declaration by God. And if God has said it (through His Word), then He cannot lie & He is faithful to perform it in your life. Look at: John 3:16; 1 John 1:9; 2 Peter 3:9; Acts 2:38; Luke 15:10; 1 John 5:4; 1 John 2:29 are just a few.

Not only from God's Word that He wants all to repent & turn to Him, but also His Spirit witnesses to our hearts:

Romans 8:16; Galatians 5:17,22; 1 Corinthians 12:7 ff; 1 Corinthians 2:14 are some for you to consider.

So these verses declare God's ministry to us to assure our hearts that we belong to Him, i.e. we have been born again by His Spirit. But for each of us, the Spirit's ministry can be specific & special. One may see God doing mighty things through him that blesses many. Others, can have a quiet confidence in the promises of God & willing & able to share with others what God has done in him. But in all cases, the indwelling Spirit is there to assure you, comfort you, direct you, teach you & give you a hope for the future, which an unbeliever simply cannot have & enjoy.

Sometimes, the initial reception of the Spirit can be quite dramatic, whether in outward manifestations or an inward contrition & resulting joy in salvation. If you've had that experience, be assured of His Presence in you. If you've been baptized in water, here is another great testimony of an inward response to God's Work in you. But if you're feeling empty & no different from when you were unsaved, then you need to examine yourself whether you have come to God in the way that God has prescribed or to check whether you are harbouring any sin that stops His Spirit from fully working in you. I can't know all about you from where I am - you will have to search your heart & life & be honest with God.

Jesus will return to Earth to reign in Jerusalem at the appointed time set by God - & that will be for a thousand years' duration. We understand by examining & 'dividing' of the Scriptures, that His return will be at the end of the Great Tribulation of God upon the Earth of wicked people & the Anti-Christ, & when Satan & the Anti-Christ will be locked away for that period (Revelation chapter 20). Jesus' Return will be the start of the 'New Age' of Righteousness, for those who have come to Him by faith in His Work at the Cross, who will share in His Kingdom right into eternity.

Yet, no one can set dates for all this to happen. I believe that Jesus first comes in the air to receive those who belong to Him & prior to the Anger of God poured onto the World ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), as God's Anger is not for those who have trusted in Him to forgive their sins. His Anger is against those who have rejected God & spurned His Love offer to them through Jesus His Son.

But we're always reminded to be ready for Jesus' Coming & not be found slothful & careless in living holy lives before Him; that when He comes, we might rejoice to see Him & not recoil in shame & sadness for our behaviour (1 John 2:28). "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." ( Matthew 24:44).

That is a very sad situation for both yourself & your husband. This is what we refer to as "having one foot in God & the other in the world". It seems there is a God-consciousness with him, yet he doesn't want to leave off the attractions that the world gives him. "Man cannot serve two masters": if he loves the world & what it offers him, then his love for God is not real - and that is called hypocrisy. 1 John 2:15, "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

He needs spiritual counselling - there is always hope he may give attention to what another unbiased qualified person advises him, rather than from his wife. He probably needs to receive Christ's salvation that will make him new from the inside rather than subscribing to a phoney belief that his knowledge about God is all he needs. This is a very delicate situation which will see you both needing help & guidance, not only in spiritual matters but also in your marriage.

You can always pray for God's Work to be done in his life. Is he in a position to spend some devotional time, i.e. both of you together, with God? Reading from the Bible (which he says he believes in) & from a devotional book & also to spend a little time to pray about your lives, your family, your hopes & dreams, will be useful to resetting your lives & minds towards the things of the Lord. However, if he is resistant to these things, you can only but commit him & your marriage to the Lord in personal prayer & not frustrate or antagonize your husband further. Your faithfulness & love to him in spite of his view of you, your love & trust in the Lord to help your marriage, will also speak to his heart as he witnesses these things. May the Lord help you especially at this time Leasa.

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You wrote of the anger that builds up inside you when you are lied to, maybe continually. To be angry against the sin of others is not wrong, but to harbour it, thus allowing it to slowly eat into us is wrong; Ephesians 4:26, "Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath". There is an anger that isn't sin, even as Jesus showed anger when He went to the Temple & saw people treating the House of God with contempt ( John 2:13-16). So there is a righteous anger, as we call it, but there is an unrighteous anger that has its roots in self-pity & not receiving that which we deserve. We can get upset & angry, but we need to repent, fix up the matter with those concerned & go to bed without storing up that anger. It is hard to do, but the Lord will help when there is true Love.

It's not clear as to why your friend felt that your help to her was your attempt to "buy her friendship". Maybe it was something you did or said that she misconstrued, or even her own thoughts getting away with her & she came to a wrong judgement. In all such cases, if she will allow it, the matter should be aired in all seriousness & humility, so as to restore the bond of friendship you once enjoyed. You may even want to approach her with that desire: to rectify & make amends for whatever has caused this rift.

If the Lord has put it upon your heart to help people wherever you can, then this is a most worthy pursuit as your sole motivation is from the Lord & for the people in need, just as maybe you once were in need in your earlier days. So Christine, just a few thoughts to guide you. May the Lord guide you in this & bless your life. And by the way, you expressed yourself very well though not having had much education - just goes to show that there is an ability we are blessed with beyond the bounds of man deems is necessary.

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Yet, the pressing theme on John's heart, in spite of this woman's faithfulness to Christ & the Word, was the dire warning that was exhibited in his first epistle: that of the strengthening Gnostic influence pervading the Church & Christian thinking (vv 7-11). Gnostiscm, in its many arms of perverted teaching, was propagating the fact that this Jesus from Heaven had not come in the flesh, but merely a man with a mystical nature (v7) & 1 John 2:18-24. And this was based on their belief that "the incarnation is incredible because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, such as a body". And this belief pervades the Church today & we need to withstand such an atrocity that seeks to remove the fullness of God's Love in the giving of Himself (as none else could), to become Man, & to lay down His Life as our substitutionary Sacrifice. This Truth was now iterated to the Elect lady, to be on guard.

John 2:19-22 Matthew 28 : 1-6 John 19:31

Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday or Friday?

Was Jesus risen in the 1st day of the week or on the Sabbath?

Blessed Assurance:

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:1-2)

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ( John 3:17)

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ( John 6:37-40)

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. ( John 10:9-10)

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ( Romans 8:1-2)

God bless you brother Richard in Christ

Thank you heartily for a very mature response which shows some spiritual common sense. It is not something seen very often on these kinds of discussion forums. It is like a breath of fresh-air; and I appreciate your time and effort to type it up.

Love in the Lord of all, Jesus Christ

You ppl that gag at three are gonna be sick when ya have to swollow a million as God ALMIGHTY SWORE by his very self that CHRIST is gonna be multiply as the Stars of heaven, Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD that heavenly seed came it made them Gods plural and the scripture cannot be broken. Now unto Abraham and his seed was the PROMISE made but he says not unto seeds plural ( natural israel ) but unto 1 seed which is CHRIST , THE ISRAEL OF GOD, THUS ITS CHRIST THAT IS GONNA BE MULTIPLIED AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN. This cannot be refuted as it was God almighty that made this PROMISE,when he swore by himself. After Abraham offered up issac a type of Christ the Child of PROMISE. thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT which is the birth of the H.G. GODS GRANSON. Which is the H.G. that is SPIRIT. The Israel of GOD. Remember it was ABRAHAM'S GRANSON JACOB whos NAME was changed to Israel impling the H.G the 3 rd person is the Israel of GOD. Remember it was Solomon the 3 rd person Jesse's Granson that God wanted to build the great Temple not david the son but SOLOMON th granson which means comforter th H.G. that is gonna build the temple in our bodies, abide in me and i in you, now its our bodies that is his Temple, but the H.G. is a greater then Solomon he builds a greater temple then Solomon with in us as that good seed THE SEED OF GOD is sown in our hearts. Initiating a birth of Christ/God in us. Thus do not gag at three as Christ as gona be multiplied as the Stars of Heaven.Abraham can you count the stars so shall thy seed be. which is the seed of CHRIST The words of God, the new covenant th book in the right hand of the father, I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven .gbu

Hello my brother Hugo,

I do not call myself a "Trinitarian" as that seems to be a label. I do believe in God the Father, the Son(Jesus Christ), and the Holy Ghost. As these three are One. I also do not say "Jesus is God" which to me seems to be over simplified. I actually would agree with exactly how you said as "God dwelled in Him". Or God was "in" Him and He in the Father just as Jesus states. Jesus Christ being the Messiah sent by our Father in Heaven. He is the most unique, special, marvelous person to have ever walked this earth. Our Lord and Savior. None of us know everything about Him. One day we will be with Him, and our Father, in the Kingdom and we will be able to ask Him any question we ever will have. He will have the answer for us. God Bless you brother.

Christian love to all the brothers and sisters in Christ

This chapter raises another question which Trinitarians cannot answer.

In God's temple you had the holy place which only the priests could enter, and the holiest of holies which only the high priest could enter once a year. But that temple was not considered to be God. Rather God had His presence IN the holiest of holies. Not the skins or the curtains or the stones or the ark but simply indwelling that space. But now Trinitarians say that Jesus the physical man IS God.

Question: why was the temple not seen as God if we are to believe that Jesus the physical man is to be seen as God? Why is the foreshadowing wrong? Why is God misleading us as to how He has His presence?

Correct answer: the physical Jesus was not God. God dwelled in him. Just as the physical temple was not God. God dwelled in it. Thus the foreshadowing is correct. Thus God has lead us correctly to understanding how He has His presence.

And for that we thank our Father and bless His holy name. Hallelujah!

Please consider these things carefully my Trinitarian siblings, is my humble request.

Peace and love in Christ

There were actually three Temples recorded:

a. Solomon's Temple ( 1 Kings 5:3-6:1 & 6:37-38). The King of Tyre supplied the timber & workmen for this work which took seven years in building.

b. Zerubbabel's Temple ( Ezra 1, 3, 6). This temple was instigated & authorized by Cyrus in 538 BC but the work ceased because of Samaritan opposition & discouragement of many of the Jews. In 515 BC, the work was finally completed by Zerubbabel & Joshua after being encouraged to do so by the prophets Haggai & Zechariah to take up the unfinished work. ( Ezra 4:24-5:2; Haggai 1:1-2:9; Zechariah 4:7-10). But this temple wasn't as extravagant as Solomon's. This temple was plundered & desecrated by Antiochus Epiphanes in 169 BC.

c. Herod's Temple. In about 20 BC, Herod the Great undertook to reconstruct the Temple with its surrounding courts & buildings. Most of the construction took about ten years to complete, but work was still going on while Jesus walked on the Earth & later. And this temple was destroyed by Emperor Titus of Rome in AD 70 & its furnishings & treasures carried off to Rome.

There is no biblical reference to another temple being built as Jesus Himself said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." ( John 2:19), referring to His Body & three days later, His resurrection. And as you said, that we are the Temple of the Holy Ghost ( 1 Corinthians 6:19), so the old temple was destroyed (first by the rending of the vail & then by Titus), which ushered in the New Covenant with the Temple within us. There are references to the Temple in Heaven but in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for one, as "the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." ( Revelation 21:22).

Present day Jews want another Temple to be built, some wanting the institution of sacrifices as well, & others, not. Yet, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 indicates that anti-Christ will one day sit in the temple showing himself to be God, so one can only guess on that one.

If you are miserable, that's a good indication the Holy Spirit is working on you:

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. ( James 4:8-10)

In 1 John 2:1, Jesus is our advocate, much like a defense attorney, defending us before the throne of God against the condemnation.

Read Psalm 51 to see that David was in a situation where his sin separated him from God. He could not bear it so he confessed and pleaded with the LORD to restore the joy of his salvation.

The prodigal son in Luke 15 deliberately departed from the way until his abject misery brought him to his senses. He was then welcomed back heartily by his loving father.

Satan the accuser would celebrate your being so overcome with despair that you become swallowed up in it and give it up.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. ( 1 John 1:9)

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. ( John 6:37)