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We can pick at the translations and debate the meaning of text or its original intent in Hebrew versus Greek. But in the end, the power of truth is far greater than the limitations imposed upon us by our language. How do we know the correct interpretation of John1:1? By knowing Jesus.

Hi Steve Kelly U didnt loose ur way u just took a detour on the wrong path but thank God for Jesus u r able to come back.Bro.u just have to surrender(ALL)Iknow where u r coming from ive been there with the UPS n DOWNS,but when i stopped trying to have my way n let God have his way evrythng fell into place,even with the marriage.I dont know ur wife christian values but i believe u do know the word n u know the word is binding on the believer,U do what is pleasing in the sight of the LORD,God will work evrything out.Ive learned the hard way through all the unnessary frustration,U CANT make a person,When u stop trying to make ur wife UNDERSTAND U n U start understanding"U"things will bcome more clearer.All things work together for the good to those who love the Lord n called according to his purpose.Surrender n watch God move!!!

Hi Eddie just want to let u know that u r in my prayers n uve made the best decision that u could possibly make i want to encourage u to continue in prayer God will see u through He is faithful to keep us if we want to be kept.U(We)have to refrain from the things that causes us to stumble n fall into sin n stay in his word(bible).U r a babe in Christ n u do need some guidance.If u dont have a church home please find u one that is a must n attend Sunday School n Bible Study n Yes it takes all that bcause before we accept Christ we were filthy with sin n only the Word of God is going to clean us.U r in a battle right now bcause ur battling btween ur flesh n spirit. The word says, Our spirit is willing but our flesh is weak.Read Ephesians chpt.6:10-18 n if u dont understand it ask ur pastor or minister to explain.I hope i was some encouragement too u n know, What u r experiencing we all have n anyone coming bhide u will experience that battle but it is worth the fight!!!Remember the battle is the Lords but the victory is urs.Be Blessed.

all human problem has theirs answers in the word of God,like the book john rightly stated the word of God is God.so no matter what you are going through, the answer is in the word of God,locate ur self in the word

At this time in my life i have lost my way at age 42 we think we know everything but when we give it to god he doesn't always answer right then . my life is in a confusion my wife and i are having many problems i wished i could just find away to make her understand about the way i feel. by no means am i perfect but the lord was great and always will be .

The lord has just done so much for us. There is no possible way we can repay him. Great job eddie for accepting Christ. I'm really proud for all of you that can be apart of Gods family.

I am going through a hard time in my young life and I hope I can get some prayers sent this way, I just gave my self to the lord this week, so I am unsure of what I am doing

John gave us the back ground of the Godhead the Thrinity in Chapter 1. God the Father, Son and the Holy spirit in the 1 body. God created heaven and earth using His vioce, John 1:1 told us that before everything the was the word and the word was with God and the last day used the physical ability to creat human being as His image

The "beginning" is used for our comprehension, because we live on a time basis. God being eternal has no time and there is no end in Forever. Jesus being the Word and the Word is God. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. All in one. Our walk would be so easy if we do the One Commandment and that is to Love One Another. God loves us so much that he came down from his sinless Kingdom to go through all the things that we go through that he might get first hand experience in what we have to go through because of the sin that was inherited to us through our ancestors. Love brings obedience and being obedient to God's Word makes for a great future. Praise God for Jesus.

Do we worship a God with some power or ALL power. Power to make the impossible possible. How can 3 be the same person? I serve the God who can make that happen. He is God, perfect, OMNIPRESENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT. I just believe His Word Without question or caution, for I am persuaded. The word describes us as poor, wretched, lost, deaf, dumb, blind, lowdown rotten sinners. God is all knowledgeable when we are not. We will never understand the 100% make up and all the dynamics of God. He told us to believe Him, also believe the Son. The Son clearly proclaimed Himself as God on many of occasions. Revelations 1 , "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST" He reveals His self. "I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA," that proclamation alone is clear enough for me! My friends, don't die and burn in the Lake of Fire FOREVER over foolishness. Believe the Word of God. He cannot lie.
Respectfully, Raj Hayes 1 Believer

A Theological Investigations, reputed Catholic scholar Karl Rahner states that “in
St. John’s First Epistle ὁ θεός [“the God”] so often certainly means the Father that it must be understood of the Father throughout the Epistle.” Also, the French Protestant Bible du Centenaire concedes in a footnote that the Greek allows for a non-Trinitarian translation. Incidentally, it not be forgotten that, probably in the fourth century C.E., an overzealous Trinitarian Latin scribe added to 1  John 5:7 the words “the Father, the Word and the holy spirit; and these three are one.” This addition, known technically as the “Johannine Comma,” was protected by the Vatican until
1927, in spite of the fact that even some Catholic scholars had raised doubts about its authenticity
as early as the sixth century. This dishonest insertion shows the lengths to which Trinitarians will
go in their efforts to prove their doctrine

God’s Name and the Trinity
Something that makes God very real to Jehovah’s Witnesses is their knowledge and regular use of his personal name, Jehovah. ( Psalm 83:18) When a member of one of Christendom’s churches reads in his Bible the anonymous expression “the name of the Lord,” it means little or nothing to him. Similarly, when he prays “hallowed be thy name,” the chances are that he does not know what name he is praying about. Jehovah’s Witnesses know their God, they know his name and, like the psalmist and Jesus himself, they love their heavenly Father’s name.— Psalm 5:11, 12; John 12:28; 17:6, 26.
Since God’s personal name appears literally thousands of times in the original-language Bible, why has it been expunged from many of Christendom’s Bible translations, and why is it never used by the hundreds of millions of Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant “Christians”? Could the dogma of the Trinity have anything to do with this most extraordinary religious fact?
Interestingly, the Catholic Jerusalem Bible renders Deuteronomy 6:4: “Listen, Israel: Yahweh our God is the one Yahweh.” And a footnote, after giving another possible translation, states: “But it is more likely that we have here a declaration of monotheistic faith.” This, then, is the one God of whom Jesus, speaking as a Jew, stated: “We worship what we know.” ( John 4:22) And this Catholic Bible admits that the name of that one God is Yahweh, or Jehovah. Now, according to Trinitarian theology, Yahweh, or Jehovah, is the name of the God of the Hebrew patriarchs and the Jews, the God whom Jesus came to reveal as “the Father,” or “God the Father.” It follows that for Trinitarians the divine name Yahweh, or Jehovah, designates only one of the supposed “Three Persons” of the “Godhead.” The “Second Person” has a name (Jesus), but the “Third Person” is the anonymous “Holy Spirit.” Christendom’s churches cannot logically use a name for God that does not designate the entire “Godhead.” So their members are condemned to worship a mysterious triune God that has no name.Yet, instinctively, many Catholics feel the need to worship someone they can know and name. This, no doubt, explains why many of them worship Jesus or even Mary. This same instinct to worship a God one can name is even reflected in religious architecture. In scores of Catholic chapels, churches and cathedrals in France and other countries, above the high altar or elsewhere there is a gilded, rayed nimbus representing divine glory. In the center is a triangle, symbolizing the Trinity. Paradoxically, inside the triangle is the Tetragrammaton, the four Hebrew consonants of God’s name, Jehovah. But how many Catholics today realize that it is God’s name?
“One Lord, Jesus Christ”
After having stated: “There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him,” the apostle Paul added: “And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6) Jehovah’s Witnesses subscribe to that further statement. Jehovah, the Father, is the Source; Jesus, God’s “only-begotten son,” the “firstborn of all creation,” is the means by which the Father accomplishes His will.— John 1:2, 3, 14; Colossians 1:15, 16.

MAZZA is right. The Word and God do not have a beginning. I think it is a translation problem. In Serbian translation which I am reading word beginning is given as a period not as a point in time. Although the Serbian translation is not perfect I think it is giving a good direction to think. GOD BLESS YOU

Notice that the Word has a beginning, compare with with Colossians 1:15. Almighty God does not have a beginning.

A language interpretation will always be a problem ,but i believe that ultimately God will reveal the truth

That great King suffered on the cross at calvary for me and I am not able to comprehend or to put into words how thankful I am for what the LORD JESUS CHRIST has done for me saving my soul from a devils hell Thank you oh Blessed and Merciful King all Glory to your name we are not worthy but your Glorious Son has made us able to stand before thee to praise thee to bow to your holy feet thank you my father forever through your Son Jesus Christ the Righteous

jonh chap.8,THRU. 11 PHIip said to Him, Lord show us The Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him Have I been with you so long,and yet you have not known Me, philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father, so how can you say show us the Father? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in Me? the word that i speak to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves. David said my Lord said unto my Lord set thou at my right hand until I make your enemy your footstool. stop trying to prove who God is by what one say, and look at their deeds. Remember the word says that there will be those the will have form of Godliness but without the power there of. They just can,t live what they preach, in the in we will all know the truth the bottom line is what are you doing for your brother?

Whoa folks, remember that whatever is GOD must be all knowing and all powerful. Remember this logos created everthing that their was, God is a spirit,that spirit created and breathed the breath of life into u and me. If we recall, he confirms his absolute title in the 1st chapter of Rev did he not declare that he was the 1st and the last? Did not he declare himself as the Almighty? Did not IS 9:6 declare him as this son that would be given this child that would be born and that he would be called what? THE MIGHTY GOD, THE PRINCE OF PEACE! Their is no dought in my mind that he is who he declares himself to be. who he declares himself to be. Non other than the first and the last none other than the almighty!!!

come on people if you are still drinking milk you will say that Jesus is God him self. if you are eating solid food you say that there one in agreement [[unison]how can you make 3120 people to be one. only by working together as one [unison]that what he ask his farther do what over them let them one like you and me.john17;11.Nobody is this world is as close as Jesus and his father they so close and loving we can start to think they are the same person when they not.col.1:15-17 he Jesus was the first of God creation how in heaven and earth can he the same person as his father JOHN20:31

Does Thomas exclamation at John 20:28 prove that Jesus is truly God? Thomas answered him,'My Lord and my God! There is no objection to reffering to Jesus as "God,"if this is what Thomas had in mind. Such would be in harmony with Jesus own quotation from the Psalms in which powerful men, judges, were addressed as "gods."( John 10:34,35,RS; Ps 82:1-6) Of course, Christ occupies a position far higher than such men. Because of the uniqueness of his position in relation to Jehovah, at John 1:1(NW)Jesus is referred as the only-begotten god. Isaiah 9:6(RS) also prophetically descibes Jesus as "Mighty God," but not as the Almighty God. All of this is in harmony with Jesus' being described as " a god," or "divine at John 1:1. The context help us to draw the right conclusion from this. Shortly before Jesus' death, Thomas had herd Jesus' prayer in which he addressed his father as "the only true God."(John17:3) After Jesus' resurrection Jesus had sent a message to his apostles, including Thomas, in which he had said: "I am ascending...to my God and your God." ( John 20:17,RS) After recording what Thomas said when he actually saw and touched the resurrected Christ, the apostle John stated: These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name."( John 20:31,RS) So, if anyone has concluded from Thomas'exclamation that Jesus is himself "the only true God" or that Jesus is a Trinitarian "God the Son" he needs to look again at what Jesus himself said (vs.17) and at the conclusion that is clearly stated by the apostle John (vs.31).

Does John 1:1 prove that Jesus is God

John 1:1,RS:" In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God[also KJ,JB,Dy,Kx,NAB]" NE reads "what God was,the Word was." Mo says" the logos was divine." AT and Sd tell us "the Word was divine."The interlinear rendering of ED is a god was the word."NW reads the Word was a god";NTIV uses the same wording.
What is it that these translators are seeing in the Greek text that moves some of them to refrain from saying "the Word was God"? The definite artical(the)appears before the first occurrence of theos'(God) but not before the second. The articular (when the artical appears) construction of the noun point to an identity, a personality, wheras a singular anarthrous (with out the artical) predicate noun before the verb (as the sentence is constructed in Greek) point to a quality about someone. So the text is not saying that the Word (Jesus)was the same as the God with whom he was but, rather,that the word was godlike,divine,a god. What did the Johm mean when he wrote John 1:1? Did he mean that Jesus is himslf god or perhaps that Jesus is one God with the Father? In the same chapter, verse 18, John wrote: "No one["no man ,"KJ,Dy]has ever seen God; the only son ["the only begotten god NW],Who is in the bosom of the Father,he has made known."(RS) Had any human seen Jesus Christ,the Son? Of course! So, then ,was John saying that Jesus was God? Obviously not. Towards the end of his Gospel,John summarized matters, saying: "These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ[not God] the Son of God."- John 20:31.RS.

darlene please check your translation of j.1.1 last word is missing the word was a god not (was god) j1:14 agreement in mighty god one problem our god the creator was God ALMIGHTY slight difference. 1 tim 3:16 disagree with God ALMIGHTY being made into flesh yes his begotten son his first born of all creation the word he was made into flesh.j10:30 I MAKE A REQUEST, THAT THEY ALL BE ONE JUST AS YOU FATHER, ARE IN UNION WITH ME AND I AM IN UNION WITH YOU THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE IN UNION WITH US J 17:20,21. I and the father are one is a wonderful unity the closet bond possible between 2 persons especially father and son.

you can say many interpretations people are taught the trinity is the truth others not until you can interpret the hebrew and greek scripture yourself then you can see the truth until its all guesswork but please note all will find out the truth eventually some will be wrong and some right. my belief is simple in the beginning the word was,andthe word WAS with GOD and the word was a god. ALMIGHTY NO but mighty god yes. end

Jesus the son of God was also God in the flesh. notice the last line in John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (THE WORD WAS GOD).. now drop down to John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word was God and the Word was made Flesh(Jesus)
now read Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Here it is prophesying the birth of Jesus notice what his name shall be called (the everlasting Father, the mighty God)
also read 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Here is says God was manifest in the flesh (how? Jesus)ustified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, who is preached unto the Gentiles (Jesus)believed on in the world(Jesus) Who was received up into Glory (Jesus) but this scripture clearly says God.
so not only is Jesus the only begotten son of God he is God.
John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

I agree with Marty. Jesus is God in the flesh. notice the last part of the verse in John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. THE WORD WAS GOD.. now drop down to John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
It clearly says the word was God in verse 1 then in verse 14 the word was made flesh (speaking of Jesus)

Jesus Christ is Lord of all & one thing is for certain, He is coming back for the Church!

In response to Ray's comment, I struggled with Jesus divinity for years until I realized that Jesus could in no way reconcile mankind with God, unless he is God. One simple illustration is daylight cannot exist without the sun, and the sun cannot exist without giving off light and heat. They are all manifestations of the same energy, serving different purposes, as The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are different manifestations of the same Being (Almighty God), serving different purposes.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus Is God? What a ridiculous yet common false witnessing. "if you have seen me, you have seen the father." Were we all not created in the likeness of God? How many times must Jesus say "OUR father" until you finally get it? His story is not one of becoming God or the rebirth of God. It is about forfeiting his own will and living out the will of God, which he asks us all to do as well? Perhaps you bible thumpers need a reference. In John 20-16 he tells Mary to tell his brothers "I ascend unto my father, and your father; and to my god, and your god>" He didnt just say it, he told her to repeat it verbatim. Think about it. Thats what Jesus would do.

Though 1John 1:9 is many times used as a salvation scripture, it is written to belivers and we all (saved or unsaved) have a sin nature which we will fight until eternity comes. What I think has no bearing on what Gods word says. It is infact what God says. To many people place thier wisdom in what other people have said or written. Study to show thyself apporved of God! I personaly am glad my salvation is not resting in a man but rather in the hands of God and his promise. 1John assures the christian will take a reality check of his life. Judge youself--Don't lie to yourself. Sinners we will be until God calles us home to heaven. God knows us better than we admit at times. How would we have fellowship with a Holy God after salvation if not for 1 John 1:9 ? In sin we are unable to have that fellowship let alone fellowship with other Christians. Try the Spirit, Study in context, Seek and ye shall find! We should not do a lot of things in life--But when you do where do you go? Blindly living on or the Bema seat of Christ?

The fear of the Lord,that's where it should begin,then let the Lord lead you and your every step,down that narrow path.Separate yourself from this world,not wanting to be like or with the big crowd's,be yourself in Christ Jesus.Peter was giving the"KEY'S"to life and death,by Jesus,and it is in Acts 3:38&39,Repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the Holy GHost.For the promise is unto you and your family, as many as our Lord our God shall call.Forgive me if i missed anything in that,and shame on me for not knowing it word for word! John 3:5 state's that if you are not baptized in Water and the Spirit,you cannot enter in the Kingdom of God...everybody think's it's a big mistery,look at 1Timothy 3:16...praise Jesus!He is the only God that i know of that walk on this earth!!! John 1:1 and 1:14...2800 times the bible tell's of the oneness of God and that He is the only Spirit, Ephesians 4:4,5 and the saviour is only one, Isaiah 43:11 and Luke 1:47 and best of all, Isaiah 9:6...the Son is the Father,Prince of peace,GOD...thank-you Jesus that i hear your vioce and know the truth!!!My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me....Yes Lord!!!

GOD is love,love the WORD and knowledge it you shall surely find LOVE and the LIGHT everlasting.