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Brother David0921:

You said when a believer dies his body goes to the grave to await the resurrection.

The word says unbelievers go to the grave to await the resurrection, they will be raised back in there bodies of flesh and blood.

Believers never die again, they have already died once with Christ.

Martha had the same belief as you, she said to Christ:

John 11:24 ..... I know he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Martha was a unbeliever.

Jesus SAID:

John 11:25 ..... I am the resurrection ....

John 11:26 Whosoever BELIEVETH IN ME shall NEVER DIE .....

Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIED ANYMORE:

When did they DIE? .... on the cross .....

for they are EQUAL to the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN of the RESURRECTION.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION, on such the SECOND DEATH has no power .....

God bless you

You are replying to a comment by "Bagwill" 5 days ago:

Where in the Bible does it say that it's okay for women to be preachers.

MOUNTHOREB REPLY: Woman can prophecy not new info outside of the scriptures 2 Timothy 3:15-17. However, They preach what they have learned to others outside of the church or congregation. When asked a question about the bible. a woman can reply to anyone who is asking the question. even if it's a man, elder 1 Timothy 3 or someone in authority. but within the church or congregation 1 Timothy 3, a woman does not have authority over a man to speak to the whole church or Congregation 1Timothy 2:11,12,14 (unless there's no men available, if this is the case she covers her head within the congregation to PREACH 1 Corinthians 11:5;16 because of the angels in heaven) however, Outside of the building, yes a woman can teach others outside (family, neighbors etc.) Acts 2:16,17.

Jesus allowed women to speak to him and listen. even sit at his feet and ask questions. he allowed woman to speak and listened to them. and to follow him as he preached. Luke 1:36-38; John 4:7-54; John 11:20-29; John 20:11-18; Acts 1:14; Luke 8:1-3; Luke 10:38-42; Romans 16:1-5; Acts 18:2; Acts 18:24-26;

In marriage: Ephesians 5:21-33

These are all the scriptures I can think of. Revelation 22:17 "Its free"

Blessings Josephus,

The Bible says that God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam; Genesis 2:21 . Where in scripture does it ever say he awakened? Therefore, how can he or anyone who inherits the Adamic nature have an awareness of receiving anything REAL while one is asleep. He, just as us, can only dream in a sleeping condition. And certainly we all realize dreams are what they are because of their illusion of reality.

Jesus strongly hinted of our sleeping condition: John 11:11 and Matthew 9:24 , where He also emphasized death should not be our concern, but rather sleep.

Also, many believe Jesus is God, meaning that God must have died on the cross. Yet, I don't think God can be killed or die. Nor do I believe can any of His Children whom He created. To believe so is literally a nightmare; a most frightening form of dreaming.

There is is no death because what God creates shares His Life. God is Life, therefore again, there is no death because an opposite to God does not exist. Only a mind asleep can have the frightening nightmare of a power that can oppose Him. Is it not possible that when we seemingly awaken in the morning from our dreams that we've merely shifted from one dream to another without really waking?

God Is

Peace

Gigi.

Part 3.

The almond blossoms looked like wood but they were gold, reminding us of Aaron's rod that budded. When Aaron's priestly prerogative was in question, the budding of his almond rod established it. The almond rod, a dead branch, was made to live and to bear fruit. Christ was established as the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead. It did not make Him Son of God, for He was that from the eternal counsels of God. Resurrection only confirmed it. Aaron was the Godappointed high priest, and it was confirmed by resurrection in the dead almond rod. The resurrection of Christ, likewise, established His priesthood. Christ is our great High Priest because He became a man, partook of our nature, and "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" ( Hebrews 4:15). But the primary basis of His priesthood is His deity. The priest represented men before God. Christ is God who became a man, and it is now the God-man who represents man. The resurrection which declared Him to be the Son of God likewise declared His priesthood.

There were no measurements given for the lampstand of pure gold. That which speaks of His deity alone cannot be measured, for deity is beyond the computation of man. Neither can a tape measure be placed along that which speaks of God. Again, the priesthood of Christ, which is conditioned on the fact that He became a man, is made to rest on His deity. There is not recorded any incident in the life of Christ in the Gospels which does not instantly record His deity with every mention of His humanity, yet never confusing or fusing the two. In the shortest verse of the Bible, "Jesus wept" ( John 11:35), there is recorded a perfectly human incident in His life. It is a characteristic of humanity to weep; it is perfectly natural. But the tears were not dry upon His cheeks before He commanded, "Lazarus, come forth" ( John 11:43). And Lazarus came forth. That was perfectly divine - only Deity has the power over death.

See part 4.

Hello S Spencer Do you see how all the scriptures in this post are connected together? If the resurrection is the last day, then that's the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds to gather together His elect. ( 1 Cor 15:51-55) and ( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) and ( Mt 24:29-31) and ( John 11:24-26) Do you see they are all the same event? They all happen after the tribulation, which will be at the last trump when we are all changed. He changes our vile body that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body. ( Philippians 3:20-21)

The resurrection the last day? ( John 6:39-40,44) And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should (raise it up again at the last day). v.40 Tells us that everyone that sees Jesus and believes on Him, He will (raise him up at the last day) When is the last day? ( John 11:24-26) Martha saith unto him, I know that (he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day). (25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.: (26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? ((So the resurrection IS the last day)). The word (resurrection) is #386; it means a standing up again, a resurrection from death, raised to life again, rise from the dead. ( John 5:28-29) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall ((hear his voice)), (29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (All that are in the graves shall ((hear His voice)) and come forth, this happens at the resurrection the last day) ( 1 Cor 15:42-44) So also is the resurrection of the dead, It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: (43) Tells us it is raised in ((glory)) and also raised in ((power)) Jesus comes back in the clouds in ( Mt 24:29-31) with power and great glory to gather together His ELECT, that would be the last day. ( Col 3:4) When He appears we appear with Him in ((glory)) Then we look at ( 1Cor 15:51-55) We are all changed at the last trump, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. The word (last) is #2078; it means farthest, final, (of place or time) ends of, latter end. (That does not sound like its (before) the tribulation does it?) ( 1Thessalonians 4:15-17) The Lord descends with a shout, and the dead in Christ rise first, this is the last day, the resurrection.

Hi Mary,

Consider that the KJV uses the word sleep for being dead awaiting Christ's return.

"Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;" Psalms 13:3 KJV

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him." 1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV

"These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep." John 11:11 KJV

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 KJV

"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed." Romans 13:11 KJV

The Bible talks about a "day" of judgment, rather than people being judged sporadically.

"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world." 1 John 4:17 KJV

And it says no one escapes judgment- people often think they skip this for some reason despite what the Bible says:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV

So, when these verses are put together it seems like all will be judged on the same day (also consistent with the vision in Revelation) and that people won't go to heaven until they're first judged, and it then makes sense where it says the dead will rise to meet Jesus in the air. So, to me it all seems logical, what happens. Despite all this evidence in God's word, many people still prefer to believe something else that makes them feel good, however.

Hello, Eyobed. I saw where you inquired which verse in John 11 is the one disputed over. I believe it could be the shortest verse in scripture or verse 35, "Jesus wept.". There has been some deliberation over time as to why He wept. Hope that answers your question. Have a good day and keep in the Word!

Hello Curious T.,

No, I don't believe we're supposed to wear crosses. Leviticus 26:1, nowhere does it say wear a cross, as jewelry. However it does say not to make idols.

Recently I thought, if a person had a friend that was killed by gunshot & had a miraculous recovery. How would he feel, if when he returned to his friends & family, they had an image of the gun or bullet around their neck, to honor him. I would think it would be upsetting to say the least. Wouldn't he say, "your missing the main point." isn't it the life lived?Jesus himself being the example of a loving life, helping others in need? & the hope & promise of resurrection. John 5:21-29, 1Corinthians 15:42-58, John 11:25, Ecclesiastes 5:15, 1Timothy 6:7,

Bare your cross: Luke 14, looking at context, whole chapter Jesus in doing the better thing by healing, suffered rejection, hate, wrongful judgement.

A cross is painful, it's obvious, on view for everyone to see, not something we can hide in our pocket. It causes ridicule & even division. Luke 14:11, Luke 14:12-14, Luke 14:17-20,24, Luke 14:26,27, also Matthew 10, note Matthew 10:36, Matthew 10:17,18, Matthew 10:21, Matthew 10:22, please read in context Matthew 10, Matthew 10:32-42, & Luke 9:22-26, also Matthew 16:21-28, Mark 8:29-38, Mark 10:14-52,

Philippians 2:1-15, Colossians 1:10-29 ,

Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hello I hope you fine this verses helpful God bless

Daniel 12:2

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 11:11

After saying these things, he said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him."

Matthew 27:52

The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised

Revelation 6:9-11

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been

Sammi:

Christ constantly caught flack from his peers, he said we should expect the same thing.

You have ALREADY BEEN RESURRECTED.

John 11:25 ....I am the resurrection, and the LIFE .....

Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY is he that hath part in the first resurrection ......

1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling the light (the presence of God, Abraham's bosom) ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL put on IMMORTALITY ---Christ only hath immortality ---

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the new creation, the born again) a BODY (you are the BODY OF CHRIST) as it hath pleased him (the Father), and to every SEED his (the Father's) OWN BODY (Christ is the body of the Father).

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY (man, Christ being the FIRST among many BROTHERS, joint heirs), ONE SPIRIT

Ephesians 4:5 ONE GOD and Father of ALL, above ALL, and through ALL, and in you ALL.

John 16:8 And when he (the spirit of Christ) comes (it began at Pentecost, the feast of the FIRSTFRUITS) he will reprove the world of SIN .....

John 16:9 Of SIN because they BELIEVE NOT ON ME -----I am THE LIFE, man is my BODY, man does what the will of God causes him to do ---

Romans 9:21 Hath not the POTTER (the spirit of Christ) POWER OVER THE CLAY (the potter's body) of the SAME LUMP to make one vessel (the potter's body) to HONOUR and another to DISHONOUR.

Luke 16:6 The law and prophets were until John: SINCE THAT TIME, the kingdom of God is preached, and every man PRESSES INTO IT.

Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great WINEPRESS of the wrath of God.

We are the grapes of the vine, and we have to be PRESSED to become the NEW WINE ---this is a parable ---

God Bless You as HE leads you to all truth.

part 2, In John 10:7 "I AM" the door of the sheep & in 10:9 I AM the door: by me if any man inter in, he shall be saved, & shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:11 "I AM" the good Shepard: the good Shepard giveth his life for the sheep & 14, "I AM" the good Shepard, & know my sheep & am known of mine (believers). Then in John 11:25 "I AM" the resurrection, & the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead (an unbeliever), yet shall he live: continue reading - 26. "I AM" the Way, the Truth & the Life, NO man come unto the Father, but by me. And last yet definitely not least, John 15:1,5 "I AM" the Vine ye are the branches: he that abides in me, & I in him, the same abideth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Good to read on till end of 11. They also link Jesus to the Old Testament revelation of God. The Bible is said to have Many translations; these ppl are either ignorant (merely not knowing the bibles truth), evil or both. When copied, They went directly to the original translations so it was directly written per jot & tittle. We don't have originals now yet we do have documents that date back 100 yrs A.D - 120 A.D. over 6,000 manuscripts of antient writings & over 25,000 Archaeological digs. We have matching documents over 2,000 yrs after the original that match jot per tittle. ANY DEVIATION AND THEY WERE THROWN OUT. plus, in many different languages as; Ceriac, Coptic, Latin & Greek.

Mr. B said, "I'm not here to prove the bible, I'm not here to defend the bible & Charles Spurgen said it best, "I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. You don't defend a Lion, You just let him loose, he'll defend himself.!! *"The Bible is a Reliable Collection of Historical Documents. Written by eye witness, 'during the life time of other eye witnesses' that report 'supernatural events'-'that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies' & claim that their writings are Devine rather than human in origin*".

Here are some verses...

part 2, In John 10:7 "I AM" the door of the sheep & in 10:9 I AM the door: by me if any man inter in, he shall be saved, & shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:11 "I AM" the good Shepard: the good Shepard giveth his life for the sheep & 14, "I AM" the good Shepard, & know my sheep & am known of mine (believers). Then in John 11:25 "I AM" the resurrection, & the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead (an unbeliever), yet shall he live: continue reading - 26. "I AM" the Way, the Truth & the Life, NO man come unto the Father, but by me. And last yet definitely not least, John 15:1,5 "I AM" the Vine ye are the branches: he that abides in me, & I in him, the same bringeth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Good to read on till end of 11. They also link Jesus to the Old Testament revelation of God. The Bible is said to have Many translations; these ppl are either ignorant (merely not knowing the bibles truth), evil or both. When copied, They went directly to the original translations so it was directly written per jot & tittle. We don't have originals now yet we do have documents that date back 100 yrs A.D - 120 A.D. over 6,000 manuscripts of antient writings & over 25,000 Archaeological digs. We have matching documents over 2,000 yrs after the original that match jot per tittle. ANY DEVIATION AND THEY WERE THROWN OUT. plus, in many different languages as; Ceriac, Coptic, Latin & Greek.

Mr. B said, "I'm not here to prove the bible, I'm not here to defend the bible & Charles Spurgen said it best, "I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. You don't defend a Lion, You just let him loose, he'll defend himself.!! *"The Bible is a Reliable Collection of Historical Documents. Written by eye witness, 'during the life time of other eye witnesses' that report 'supernatural events'-'that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies' & claim that their writings are devine rather than human in origin*". Here are some verses...

True Gospel (conclusion).

The subject of our heart and affections must be at the forefront here to our Gospel message. Matthew 6:24 takes one point about this in regard to money or God being our master. This certainly extends to other issues that ultimately begin with the state of our heart (or soul) and our relationship with the LIVING God. It is true scripturally that we cannot "lose our salvation" but we can certainly lose rewards; as Rev. 3:11 clearly states. These will have consequences at LEAST for the Millennial rule of Christ and those of us who are "kings and priests" at that time; perhaps eternal ramifications. Hebrews 11:6 states that we MUST believe He is a rewarder of those who "diligently seek Him." This perseverance also is something worthy of obtaining crowns ( 2 Tim. 4:2).

I am convinced that God is the one who does the persevering; but still evidence that He lives within us is producing fruit (which comes after time in the proper season) as well as believing until the end. John 11:26 states that "He who believes in me will never die". What many don't know is that is in the context of CONTINUING faith; not just at a time and place of confession.

IF He lives within us and has taken up residence and if we are "sealed with the Spirit" ( Eph. 4:20) then sanctification must be continuing throughout our lives as pilgrims on the earth. God has redeemed us; and we are saved but not all the wheat and tares are evident; we in the end will be PHYSICALLY saved from this body of death at glorification; which is the end of the journey. Our salvation therefore is for HIS glory. We are to praise His name; and not just when we are in church fellowship; and certainly not for show to see who can yell "AMEN" the loudest.

We must keep in mind those that walked away when Christ challenged them; as well as what happened between Palm Sunday and the Crucifixion. Those who truly believe WILL endure to the end; those who don't WILL FALL. Simple as that.

Hey Bulletpencil,

My understanding, Jesus coming, the Messiah/Christ was not a secret, Daniel 9:25 prophesied when He would come. Jesus came to fulfill the prophets and the law, and when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, and Jesus was filled without measure, John 3:34.

John the Baptist proclaimed it, John 1:34 and His disciples did as well, John 1:41 Jesus told the woman at the well He was the Messiah, John 25:25-26 and Martha John 11:27. It was confirmed by all the miracles Jesus did by the Spirit of God, Matt. 12:28 the kingdom of God has come, but the death and resurrection were, at that time a secret/mystery, Rom. 11:25.

The kingdom of God has come, John said it was at hand, Matt. 3:1-2. After John was put in prison Jesus came preaching Mark 1:14-15. The mystery of the kingdom; they were looking for the stone to crush Rome and the kingdom would be set up then Daniel 2:44, but it was like the parables of the mustard seed and the yeast Matt. 13, increasing even today until the crushing blow at Jesus second coming.



The disciples knew Jesus was the Messiah/Christ, so I am sure that was part of their preaching, but Jesus' death and resurrection were hidden even from the disciples Luke 9:45. We see how they fled when Jesus was arrested, Matt. 26:56, and they did not believe He resurrected Mark 16:10-11 Luke 23:10-11 it was hidden from them for if Satan had known the results, he would have tried to stop it.

Jesus spoke mainly to the Pharisees and Sadducees in parables to fulfill the prophecy, Matt. 13:10-15 Mark 4:10-13 Luke 8:10. The mystery was not revealed until after Jesus was resurrected as Jesus told them the Holy Spirit would bring remembrance and teaching to them John 14:26 John 16:3-4 Romans 11:25 Romans 16:25 the promise to Abraham Genesis 17:4-7 and that seed was Jesus the Messiah/Christ.

This is my understanding may someone else have another, pray and study for your understanding.

God bless,

RLW

Hello Peggy. You could look up the following Scriptures on Jesus Christ's Deity (i.e. God's fullness found in Jesus ( Colossians 2:9) & in His Holy Spirit). Jesus' Deity is proved by:

a. His Names: Hebrews 1:8, John 20:28 (God); Matthew 16:16, Matthew 26:61-65 (the Son of God); Matthew 22:41-46 (Lord); Revelation 19:13 (Word of God); Revelation 19:16 (King of kings and Lord of lords).

b. His Characteristics: Matthew 28:18 (Omnipotence: all powerful); Luke 6:8, John 2:24,25, John 13:11 (Omniscience: all knowing); Matthew 18:20 (Omnipresence: present in any place); John 1:4 (Life); John 14:6 (Truth); Hebrews 13:8 (Immutability: unchanging); 1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:1-14 (God manifest in the flesh in Jesus).

c. His Works: John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 (creates); Colossians 1:17 (sustains); Luke 7:48,49 (forgives sin); John 11:41-44 (raises the dead); John 5:27 (judges); John 15:26 (sends the Holy Spirit).

d. His receiving Worship: Hebrews 1:6 (from angels); Revelation 5:11-13 (from other heavenly beings); Matthew 14:33 (from men); Philippians 2:10 (from all).

e. His equality within the Triune God: John 14:23, John 10:30-33 (with the Father); Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14 (with the Father and the Spirit).

I hope you can see from these few Scriptures that Jesus was not just a special Man or Prophet sent by God, but truly was "God manifested in the flesh". No other man before Jesus' coming, during, or after His leaving this Earth, could ever fully reflect God's Glory, Wisdom & Power. Only God could - and He did this by sending us His Word, made Him a Man, so that He could give His Life as full payment for our sins - but only to those who believe this & place their trust in Him. To some, the 'Trinity' teaching is abominable. But man's salvation depends on the Divine Person of the Lord Jesus Christ - that God could accept no other Sacrifice to redeem & secure people to Himself - only by giving fully of Himself, which is true love for all.

Hello Nsituma,

The verse is John 11:35. This was when He was given news that Lazarus had died.

John 11:35.

Hi David.

1 Peter 4:6 is a verse that you have to put it in context with the previous verses.

Dead mentioned here in this verse isn't physical death it is spiritually dead. ( Dead in trespasses and sins).

Notice the context.

1 Peter 4:3-6. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

John 5:24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; BUT IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.

Here's more parallel references.

John 11:25-26. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Ephesians 2:1-3, 5. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Hi Zerubbabel,

Not all dreams are from God. Firstly, God does not dream, as to do so is an attempt to escape reality/truth, and it is impossible for God to escape from Himself. Yet, He can and does speak to our mind while we dream while asleep. These messages will always reflect God's Love and/or forgiveness. Fearful dreams and nightmares are caused by an "opposing" source who hates you, who in reality doesn't even exist except only in our delusional mind, but not in the mind of God. What except God can exist. Nothing beyond Him can happen, because nothing except God is real. The truth of one thing or entity (God) always makes the falsity (non-existence) of its opposite perfectly clear. God is not the author of fear, we are, as we have chosen to create (think) unlike Him, and have therefore made (miscreated) fear for ourselves.

Is it not possible when we awaken from our night time dreams, we have merely slipped from one dream to another without really waking? Wake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. Eph. 5:14. Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. John 11:11. He said unto them, Give place ( go away): for the maid (little girl) is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. Matthew 9:24.

Peace.

God Is

Brother Luke:

Enoch and Elijah are not the only two people in history that did not die but were translated into the presence of God. Anyone from the time of pentecost until the present that have been born again of the word of God, through the works of the cross, have not seen death. The two witnesses to this truth is Mosses and the prophets.

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me (truth and life) SHALL NEVER DIE .....

Titus 1:2 In hope of ETERNAL LIFE, which God , that cannot lie, promised (witnessed by Mosses and the prophets) before the world began;

Amen Brother Chris.

I've once heard a guy explain it like this; The prayer was for us to see that there was no other way but through the cross for man to be saved. Jesus himself knew.

He sort of done the same thing with Lazarus.

John 11:40-42 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. AND JESUS LIFTED UP HIS EYES, AND SAID, FATHER, I THANK THEE THAT THOU HAST HEARD ME.

AND. I KNEW THAT THOU HEADREST ME ALWAYS:

("BUT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHICH STAND BY I SAID IT, THAT THEY MAY BELIEVE ")

THAT THOU HAST SENT ME.

Man sin wasn't just excused, the penalty had to be paid for.

Jesus knew and by that prayer now we know.

God bless.

Scripture on when we die: John 3:16, John 5:24, Romans 5, Romans 6, 2Corinthians 1:9,10, 2Timothy 1:10, 1Peter 3:18, Revelation 1:17,18

Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 18:4-32, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:27-28, James 5:20, 1John 3:14,

John 11:25,26, Romans 8:13, Romans 8, Romans 14:8, 1Corinthians 15:22, 1Corinthians 15,

Revelation 14:12,13, Revelation 2:10,11, Revelation 20:6,13,14, Revelation 21, Revelation 22,

Hebrews 11:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

Lazarus, John 11, your question about those who came out of the graves, what happened to them:

1Samuel 2:6,

Matthew 27:52,53, 1Corinthians 15, Matthew 22:31,32, also, Luke 7:15,22, Luke 8:49-56, Luke 24, Colossians 1

Did you see it prophesy in:? Ezekiel 37:12,13, John 5:21,25,28, Isaiah 26:19,

Hosea 13:14, possibly Isaiah 8:1, Psalms 88:10,

John 12:1-11,

Romans 6, Romans 8, Revelation 20,

John 11:25, Romans 10:9, Romans 14:7,8,9, 2Corinthians 1:9,

Hopefully these are all helpful in answering your question & deeper questions you & others may have on the subject

John 11 and predestination

This chapter emphasizes more in the area of the sovereignty of God and the course Christ was ordained or predestined to follow on His way to the crucifixion in Jerusalem shortly to come to pass after the event with Lazarus. Therefore, there is the theme here of the final leg of the journey when Christ would finally voluntarily sacrifice His life and how He must be preserved until that hour; as well as the confusion as to the true state of Lazarus and when He would come back to life.

The time of His journey had to at least have two days further after the two where He remained where He was residing; once He finally got to where Lazarus was in verse 17.

The contrast between verses 4 and 11 seem to be an issue; but the issue seems to indicate that the final; permanent death or bodily decay wasn't going to happen yet. There could also be an indication here that only the body; not the soul sleeps in this situation. In any event; after confusion as to the timing of the restoration of Lazarus by Mary and others lack of faith while Christ remained on earth; once the miracle did occur it cemented the final plans to kill Him. Caiaphas made the prophetic statement about one man dying for the people in verse 50; not realizing the application for the Jews AND Gentiles through the death and Resurrection to come.

Jesus knew the exact time when He was to head to Jerusalem to die; as He followed the Father's lead in all things. See John 10:18 about Christ's understanding of His power and control on laying down His life AND raising it up again. When we understand the works He has set forth in Ephesians 2:10 prepared for us we also have God lead us through the Spirit.

We are to be conformed to the image of His Son ( Romans 8:29) after a process going from salvation to sanctification to glorification in the next verse (8:30).

LaNette M. Tolliver

Please read : John 11:1-53,

Luke 16:19-31, someone I believe it was "Chris" in previous discussion multiple months ago, pointed out most Parables, if not all were without name, but this one, perhaps being about Lazarus.

John 12:1-18,

The sisters have much also mentioned it appears : Luke 10:38-42,

Matthew 27:56,61, Matthew 28:1, Mark 15:40,47, Mark 16:1,9, Luke 8:2, Luke 24:10, John 19:25, John 20:1-18,

Possibly even: Romans 16:6,

Hopefully these are helpful

One of the few things I never understood is..If Jesus knew he was going to raise Lazarus from the dead, why then did He weep? John 11:35

Job 23:14

For HE (the Father, Spirit, Life) performeth the thing that is appointed for me (the Body).......

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the Father, Spirit, Life) that worketh in you (the Body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY .....ONE SPIRIT .....

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and Father of ALL .....

Not many BELIEVE that the LIFE in their BODY is CHRIST.

Matthew 7:14 Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto LIFE, and few there be that find it.

John 10:10 .....I am come that they might HAVE LIFE ......

John 19:28 I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE ...

1 Timothy 6:18 WHO only (CHRIST ONLY) hath immortality, dwelling in the LIGHT which no man can approach unto .....

John 11:25 I am the resurrection, and THE LIFE .....

John 14:6 ....I am THE LIFE .....

John 20:31 ....and that BELIEVING you might have LIFE through HIS NAME .....

Revelation 22:4 ....and HIS NAME shall be in their foreheads .....

Revelation 3:12 ...and I will write upon him MY NAME .....

Acts 2:38 ....be ye baptised every one of you IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST .....

John 17:21 That they all may be ONE, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also be ONE IN US ......

God Bless You.

Sister Barbara:

Is she mixed up:

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ..... CHRIST IN YOU ....

Christ CAME THE SECOND TIME at pentecost; in SPIRIT, as the Holy Ghost.

Hebrews 9:28 So, Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many (first coming, as flesh), and unto them that look for him (as a thief in the night) he shall appear the SECOND TIME (unseen like a thief, as the Holy Ghost) without SIN UNTO SALVATION.

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (the life of the body) that WORKETH in you (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY (Christ in you) is he (the body of Christ) that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION ..

John 11:25 ....I am THE RESURRECTION, and the LIFE, he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall HE LIVE.

CHRIST IN YOU.

1 John 2:27 The anointing (THE LIFE) in you ....... will teach you ALL THINGS .......

Colossians 3:3 For ye are DEAD, and your LIFE is HID with Christ in God.

Christ blood COVERS our sins, to REPENT means to change your way of thinking, or your beliefs.

It takes lots of studying God's word and lots of repenting in the way, and things, we believe.

God Bless you.

OLD AND NEW COVENANT

These two covenants are as far apart as the east is from the west.

Revelation 21:5 ......I make ALL THINGS NEW ........

In the Old Covenant, LIFE was in the BLOOD.

Flesh and Blood CANNOT inherit the NEXT AGE.

Christ came as a BODY of Flesh and Blood.

John 3:7 .....ye must be BORN AGAIN.

We CANNOT inherit the next age, because we are still flesh and blood.

When this BODY of flesh and blood DIES, it goes back to dust from whence it came.

The LIFE goes back to GOD that gave the BODY LIFE.

1 Corinthians 15:49 ....we SHALL bear the image of the heavenly ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY (Christ) ...

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) ONLY hath immortality ....

1 Corinthians 15:38 God giveth it (the NEW COVENANT IN CHRIST) a BODY as it hath pleased, and to ever SEED HIS (Christ's) own BODY (I AM the RESURRECTION John 11:25)

YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

John 3:16 Whosoever BELIEVES SHALL (at the DEATH of this flesh and blood body) BE SAVED .....Delivered.

Revelation 12:1 ...A WOMAN (Christ bride) .....

Revelation 12:2 An she (Christ's bride) being with CHILD cried, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to be DELIVERED (given a BODY to exist in the NEW COVENANT.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man Child, who was to RULE ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron .....

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (the deception of this age, free will) and keepeth MY WORKS ( Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure), to him will I give power over the nation.

Revelation 2:27 And he shall RULE THEM with a red of iron, even as I received of MY FATHER ( Psalms 2:8-9) ...

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father OF ALL .....

Christ pour out his blood, and the flesh and blood BODY, DIED.

The Father RAISED Christ's BODY from the GRAVE and gave him a NEW BODY.

A Flesh and Bone BODY, the blood no longer the LIFE; but, the LIFE was SPIRIT.

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT (LIFE) ....

God Bless ALL.