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Take heed that no man deceive you.

The deception has been laid, what will we be spared? There is a difference between God's wrath, org meaning; anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance. and tribulation thlipsis meaning; persecution, affliction, distress. The beast will be given time to inflict tribulation on the saints in the world and overcome them, Revelation 13:5-7, as God gave Satan, Job 1:12 Job 2:6. Satan's last shot, because he knows his time is short, Revelation 12:12.

The adversary, with this deception, has manipulated scripture to have many believing the great tribulation and the wrath of God to be the same thing and will be spared going through it. This started developing in the 1700s, and what a deception, a beautiful picture of glorious colors of truth, masterfully painted on a canvas of lies. How many will be deceived by the miracles that will be done by the false prophet, Revelation 13:13-15, and fall away? Or those facing death, and who are overcome by the fear of death, take the mark.

A similar picture of what is to come has happened in the past. Decius/Decian persecution in 250 AD, a decree that Christians had to prove their loyalty to paganism and the emperor, ordered that sacrifices to idols be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate. It was a signed and witnessed certificate issued. People had to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods and the emperor.

A great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized (falling away) and performed the ceremonies thinking they could still be a Christian in secret. Others went into hiding. The Decian persecution was the severest on Christians at that time and the loss suffered by the apostasy (falling away). What is coming will be more severe and worldwide.

Did God spare them? If not, should we be? Have we exalted ourselves more worthy? Are you ready, praying that our faith shall not fail, even if facing death?

God bless,

RLW

1st thing that comes to my mind is what we call the atmosphere. How it's curved clear & rounded, like a magnifying lens. How amazing earth looks from outter space, Job 37:18 , seems to describe it beautifully. Thank you for sharing it.

Glass is made through molten process.

The 1st part of the verse it appears Elihu, is still talking with Job from Job 36:1-4 & he seems to be asking Job in reference to GOD ALMIGHTY "hast thou with him spread out the sky?'' 1611 KJV,

Job 2:11-13, the conversations start after these verses.

Hopefully this is helpful.

Omniscience is one of God's immutable attributes, which is to say, all knowledge of all things is an inherent part of His character and being. Nothing is outside of God's sphere of knowledge. The word "omniscient" is defined as having infinite awareness, understanding and insight; it is universal and complete knowledge.

God's omniscience means that He can never learn anything new. Nothing can surprise Him or take Him unaware. He is never blind-sided! You will never hear God say, "I didn't see that coming!" or "Who would have thought?" A firm belief in God's omniscience gives the Christ-follower extraordinary peace, security, and comfort in every area of life.

Amos 8:12

And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Job 2:2

And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

2 Chronicles 16:9

For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.

God has knowledge of everything occurring at any given time. We ask, well why did He allow this and that to happen?!

He gifted us free will, to make decisions that glorify Him and not us. Glorify Jesus. Welcome the Holy Spirit to help us become more like Jesus.

We have technology to tell us daily what is happening all over the earth: weather, wars, economy, disasters, Everything.

As His children we ought to ask the Lord our questions and then leave it with Him. By reading the Bible, cover to cover, almost all of our questions will be answered. If you ask Him a question, be prepared to sit in silence before Him and, WAIT UPON THE LORD. Open up dialog with Him. Be willing to accept the no's with the yes's.

Hey Tony,

If I may, what people call demons are devils, unclean spirits, principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, some spirits with no physical bodies, some angels that have bodies that cannot possess humans but can control. Evil spirits are on this earth that can influence and also possess humans.

We see while Jesus was here the first time, He cast them out of many people, also he gave power for the disciples to do the same Matthew 10:1. We also see Paul doing the same, one in Acts 16:18. They are still on this earth, many do not believe they're real but believe me they are real.

The bible is not clear how or why these beings are on the earth. There are writings outside of the bible that talk about these but how true are they. The sons of God you speak of are angels, not unembodied spirits. Job 1:6 Job 2:1 and Job 38:7. We know some angels left their first estate and sinned that are locked in chains of darkness until judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6.

These angels are not the devils or spirits that are roaming this earth, they are locked in the bottomless pit. We see they have a king in Revelation 9 whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Strange is his name has the same meaning as the son of perdition, that means destruction/destroyer.

Through scripture, it says angels can take on human form, they ate and drank and even wrestled with Jacob. We are even warned when entertaining strangers they may be an angel. The sons of God you speak of in Genesis are those angels who left their first estate and mated with human women that produced the giants (Nephilim and Rephaim or Rephaites) The name of these people means "terrible ones", they were before the flood and after Genesis 6:4 tells us they were then and after the flood and when the sons of God mated with women it produced giants.

God bless,

RLW

Who or what were the sons of God? Were they spirits or men?

Consider this key related verse, Job 2:1 - there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. If they presented themselves to God, the sons of God had to be spirits. But they weren't good spirits. How do we know this? They were led by their leader, Satan, and were being called by God to account for themselves. Being evil, they were being banished from heaven and given the choice of remaining a spirit, like Satan, or assuming a natural body.

We know that the soul (and spirit) are given to man at birth. I propose that when the evil spirits were banished, they commandeered the spirits of new-borns. This gave the evil spirits, which didn't have physical bodies and therefore couldn't have sex, the physical attributes needed to marry and have children as noted in Genesis 6:4.

This would also explain Genesis 6:3 - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh. "that he [the evil spirits] also is flesh." Implies that the evil spirits had become men. It would also explain the outburst of wickedness found later in Genesis 6. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. It was because (6.4) the children of the sons of God and daughters of men had become mighty men which ere of old, men of renown with natural bodies but evil spirits.

May the Holy Ghost lead us in knowledge. Peace to you and yours.

Hi David,

If I may, I have heard other people say what you are saying and they feel there was a gap between Gen. 1:1 and Gen.1:2, if I understand correctly what you are saying, forgive me if I am wrong. If we use Revelation 12 for this event we have to say Satan does not have access to heaven to accuse us day and night. We see in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 Satan has access to heaven and God, also he is the great accuser he accuses us before God day and night.

In Revelation 12:8 when he is cast down to earth there will be no place found any more in heaven. This will be permanent, they are rejoicing in heaven and we are warned of how bad this will be on earth, Revelation 12:12. In the Greek text, at the end of Revelation 12, Satan is the one standing on the sand when the beast in Revelation 13 rises out of the sea (bottomless pit)

I also believe people were before Adam and Eve, but another understanding. I believe the six days of creation were exactly the way it is written. Six 24 hour days and God said it was good at the end of each day, without any gaps, no evolution, and then the seventh day God rested from his work and blessed the seventh day.

I hope you take this in love, for you to look and study not as a debate.

God bless,

RLW

I am sorry for your family hardship.

Is death predestined? This is hard to prove with Bible verses, but my personal belief is sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. This is a fallen world and we are all immortal and are cursed to die, thanks to Adam and Eve disobeying God and committing the original sin. Satan may also have power to afflict us physically. Job 2:7.

So, we will all die, but we don't know the timing. We tend to get really upset and blame God for His timing being different than our arbitrary expectations. A beautiful child can even be in paradise, but we will sometimes be furious against God for having him there instead of in an environment on earth full of temptation and evil.

God's priorities are not our priorities on earth. He never promised we'd have a long life and be healthy and wealthy. We might hear man say that on TV, but that doesn't mean it's true. We also get frustrated we don't know why and keep asking why, why, why repeatedly through life in every hardship we have. Even Jesus as a human cried out 'why' to His Father: Matt 27:46. Even Jesus as a temporary man on earth wasn't allowed all the answers, and He went through extreme hardship. And He took it like a man. Didn't complain, but asked why. He kept His love, turned the other cheek, and had great compassion on others. If Jesus Himself wasn't given the answers, why should we expect to? It even suggests this in the Bible that we won't be given all knowledge here. 1 Corinthians 2:7, Job 11:7, Colossians 2:1-3

I believe life here on earth is a test. God is testing our character and who we will follow. Often we fail badly. We have a sinful nature we must fight against. Some of the most rock solid Christians have admitted their constant struggles with it too, like Paul in the Bible. 2 Corinthians 12:9, James 1:2

So, why bother praying? God/Jesus is the only hope we have. We aren't puppets playing a script, but have freewill. God sometimes answers prayer and can change His mind.

Job 2:9

Job 19:17

Job 19:19

Job 42:14

There are only hints, I find. It appears she left/ abandoned him. Yet there is this one scripture:

Job 42:11

Hopefully this is helpful while you are searching for answers.

Teresa johnson,

We see in Job the sons of God are angels ( Job 1"6) ( Job 2:1) and ( Job 38:7). There are demons on the earth that I hope you never have to contend with because these are vicious beings. How or why they are here is not in scripture, there are writings outside of the Bible but whether they are true is in question. But what does scripture tell us?

We see in Scripture angels appearing in the form of man, able to eat, drink, and have physical contact with humans. ( Genesis 18:2-8) ( Genesis 32:24-30). We are also told to be careful entertaining strangers because they could be an angel, ( Hebrews 13:2). The angels that left their first estate were treated differently, they were locked in chains of darkness (bottomless pit) until judgment, they are not roaming this earth.

Angels have no need to reproduce in their present estate like humans. If angels by choosing to leave their first estate can procreate, that is what we see in ( Genesis 6:1-4), and is probably the reason those angels were locked up in darkness because they corrupted God's creation of mankind, that God destroyed with the flood.

Angels and demons are roaming the earth. We see in Daniel 10 good angels and bad angels battle each other here on earth, same as we battle these beings, these may be part of the third that will be cast down with Satan. We see they rejoice in heaven when this happens and say woe unto those on earth.

We know by Job Satan has access to heaven because he went with the sons of God when they presented themselves to God, ( Job 1:6-12). Some take Revelation 12 as in the past, but if we look at what is said. Satan is the accuser and accuses us daily. If you read Revelation 12 you will see in vs. 8, Satan has no more place in heaven. In vs. 11 they overcome Satan by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives until death, this is in the future, not the past.

God bless,

RLW

Greetings Brother Chris. This is a very interesting discussion; thank you. The Garden of Eden was paradise; and there was no evil in the reconstituted creation. Nakedness, which connotes shame ( Rev. 3:18), could not exist, for where there was no evil, and where there is no evil there is no sin, and where there is no sin, there is no shame. Darkness always represents evil. Therefore, the spiritual state of evil was a present force in Genesis 1:2. However, God "closed" the reconstituted creation and its inhabitants to its effects. This is conveyed in Adam and Eve's eyes being "closed" until they were "opened" after eating of the forbidden fruit, and the presence of evil flooded the creation.

Concerning the serpent being allowed in the Garden, God always forces those created as freewill agents, which are angels and mankind, to make choices which define their loyalty. Love cannot truly be quantified without a test of "relational againstness." In other words, a man does not truly love his wife if he cannot pass the test of adultery. Adam was to become the father of the elect, and receive the glory which was passed on to Abraham. Therefore, he had to be tested, just as Abraham's allegiance and love for God was tested; he had to prove that He loved God more ( Gen. 22:16-18).

Following his fall, the adversary was relegated to the position of tempter ( Matt. 4:3). Just as he tempted Christ, he was only allowed in the garden to tempt Eve, who was then used to test Adam's loyalty to God ( 1 Tim. 2:14-15). Adam listened to Eve and failed his test, unlike Job, who did not listen to his wife, and ultimately passed his test ( Job 2:9-10).

May God bless you.

Who were called the sons of God that came before God when satan attended

Neville Stewart

There are two primary views on the identity of the sons of God and daughters of men. They were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. The major support for this interpretation is Genesis chapter 4 describes the ungodly generations of Cain, and 5 is the godly Seth line and the righteous line of Seth.

Cain and Seth are both descendants of Adam and Eve so if the descendants of Cain's daughters were fair, so the daughters of Seth would also be fair so, godly vs ungodly would have to be the difference. Nowhere in scripture are the descendants of Seth called "the sons of God", but more as an adoption, "shall be my son" as Solomon and us today, who receive Jesus and are led by the Spirit of God are the sons/ daughters of God. ( 1 Chronicles 17:13) ( 2 Corinthians 6:18)

The other view is angels who left their first estate and mated with women. Angels are called sons of God in Job, ( Job 1:6) ( Job 2:1) ( Job 38:7). Some say angels can not mate because of what Jesus said in ( Matthew 22:29-30). But all through scripture angels take on human form, they eat and drink and if they left their first estate it is possible. Scripture does not give a lot about this; we have 1656 years from Adam to the flood in only 7 chapters of Genesis.

Scripture tells us there are devils, demons, and fallen angels but these angels are different they are locked in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit until judgment. ( 2 Peter 2:4) ( Jude 1: 6). The bottomless pit comes up in Revelation, another study.

Also mentioned are giants/ Nephilim/ Rephaim "in those days; and also after that", before and after the flood. Whether these were offspring of angels' scripture does not tell us. The description in scripture is clear these are not just tall people. ( 2 Samuel 21:16) ( Joshua 12:4) ( Numbers 13:33) ( Deuteronomy 20:17) ( Deuteronomy 2:19-21) ( Amos 2:9).

This is just a small amount of information, maybe it will get you started in your study.

RLW

Hello brother Ron,

As I don't want to get in between you and Adams discussion. I just wanted to note one thing that I have read of in the Scriptures. Satan can tempt anyone, even God, as shown in the beginning of the book of Job. Where the sons of God(Holy angels) came to present themselves before the Lord and satan was there. Of coarse satan thinks he can get people to turn against God. Though God is always ahead of the devil. As Jesus Christ was(on earth) and is always also.

He actually temps Him twice. Once in Job 1:6-12. Then again pushing further in Job 2:1-6. He wanted to get Job to curse God. Though he fails as usual.

Maybe a way to subdue one thing you and Adam are conversing about. With "sin nature" in Jesus Christ. I believe He was part man(from Mary) and part God(from our Father in Heaven). So my answer to if He had a sin nature or not would be "yes and no". As I don't think many would really take that as an answer to that question though that is how I perceive it. Jesus Christ was like no other being that ever walked this earth.

Have a peaceful conversation my brothers in Christ.

God Bless.

Danette, The book of Job brings up hard questions that are difficult to answer. Why did God allow Satan to take and destroy all he had, his wealth all the cattle and animals, and his family, and for God to allow this on a righteous man like Job? Job had the patience to trust God even while going through the suffering he was enduring. We need that kind of faith. Everyone around Job was convinced he had done a great sin even his wife told him, Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

God may allow trouble and tribulations to come into our lives, but as hard as they may be, we must trust God and remember what our promise is. Our promise is not wealth and prosperity that some cling to, leading many in the way of this world and away from God. Our promise is eternal life by the faith given by the death burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, regardless of what we face in the corrupt world. The story of Job is needed in these times more than when it was written.

We have been told we will have tribulations in this world. It's hard for us humans to accept that God will allow bad things to happen to us for his will. But this message needs to be told especially in the days we are living. We must have faith that it is God's will for his purpose. But if we are used for God's purpose we should rejoice.

James 1:2-4 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

God bless us, Ron

Hi Skip, hope you don't mind, I agree with your "wonder to the angels". I have not read anywhere in scripture that angels will be replaced. In Matt. 25:41 we read the lake of fire was prepared for Satan (devil) and his angels and like everything else, most likely before the foundation of the world, the plan of God. We read in Job1:6 Job 2:1 Satan still has access to heaven, Satan and God are having a conversation about Job. We also see God puts restrictions on Satan.

I Luke.10:18 we read Jesus saw Satan fall as lightning from heaven.

In Revelation 12:10 we read the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down. Satan did not fall in Revelation 12, he was cast out of heaven "neither was their place found any more in heaven". We also see in Revelation 12:11 the reason they were able to cast Satan out. "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony"; This shows this is at least after the crucifying of Jesus, more likely in the future. Also, in Revelation 12, it is permanent, they are rejoicing in heaven Satan will no longer have access to heaven. When Satan is cast out down to earth he gives his power to the beast in Revelation 13.

In the Bible, we can read angels left their first estate and their own habitation and are locked in chains of darkness until judgment day. Jude 1:6 and 2Pet.2:4. Some scriptures say there are demons, evil spirits on the earth, and how they got here there is little information in the Bible how. You have to go outside the Bible and compile a bushel of speculations and pick one but be careful.

Some things are not answered by scriptures but do not affect our salvation. The things we do need are in bold print.

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Thanks Ron

what does this above scripture mean by ''Satan smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.''?

How can you say no one is righteous? Job is perfect and upright and he fears God. Job 2:3. The fear of God is to hate evil. Job hated evil. Job 1:1 "Job...was perfect and upright and feared god."

Job 2:9 "Then said (1) his wife unto him, Doest thou still retain thine integrity? curse God , and die." The cross reference (1) sends me to Gen. 3:6 where Eve eats of the tree of good and evil and so did Adam. Job's wife said the same as Eve said to Adam. But Job said, "thou speakest as one of the foolish women." He know who the foolish people were. The foolish are speaking of those given to unnatural sex as stated in Romans, professing to be wise they became fools. Job would not join his wife in foolish. Noah was perfect, Gen 6:9 "Noah was a just man and perfect."

The just have wisdom:

Characteristics of the just:

Pro. 10:20, "The tongue of the just is as choice silver"

Pro. 10:31, "The mouth of the just bringeth forth wisdom."

Pro. 4:18, "But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the

perfect day

Ps 7:9, "Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins." When an unjust person returns to God they will be justified, made just again.

I have a partial list of those in the Bible who are just and perfect.

Able

Noah in the Ark

Lot when delivered

Abraham

Isaac

Jacob

David

Elijah

Jonah

Moses

Joshua

Jeremiah

Joseph

Daniel

Shadrack

Meshach

Abednego

John the Baptist

Mary

Jesus

Job reprimanded her: Job 2:10.

JOB's' wife's sin was the same as the sin in Eden.

Job 2:9."Then said his wife unto him, dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God and die."

Gen 3:6 "And when the women saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit."

Job's wife is giving Job some advice. Why don't you lose your inner goodness, which is your integrity, which comes from having the Holy Spirit---truth? Why don't you sin the sin that blasphemes the Holy Ghost? Curse God and die (speaking of a spiritual death.) Job's wife was asking Job to do the same as Eve wanted Adam to do. Job would not. He made the choice not to sin. Job was unequally yoked together with a person who served the devil, and in most cases the person who serves the devil will want their spouse to do so also. They will try and persuade their spouse to commit unnatural sex.

Job was a person who feared the Lord, which means he hated evil and would not join his wife in evil.

Human kind needs to understand what has brought all the violence to earth. This sin in Eden is the sin Jesus comes to earth to put an end to so we can experience heaven on earth. He will not come to condemn but he comes to deliver. How many homosexual would choose deliverance over acceptance?

Adam: re: "...what his God did to him..."

Doesn't Job 2:3 have God telling Satan that Satan has caused God to move against Job?

It seems to me, (I'm no scholar, mind you,) but it seems to me that this statement from Job's God confirms that Job's God DID do those things to Job.

In Job 1:6-12, God had limited Satan's thrusts against Job only to his livestock, servants & family. Job's life was to be untouched, but sadly, all his possessions & family were wiped out by outside forces instigated by Satan.

In Job 2:1-8, God had allowed Satan to touch Job's life (with boils) but not to take his life away.

Job according to Job 1:8 was considered a righteous man by God: "And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?" Satan, wanting to make God out to be a liar, wanted to test Job's mettle & show that Job would ultimately reject God if he & his family were sorely affected. God had great confidence in His servant.

In Job Chapter 1 and 2, Satan challenged the LORD regarding Job:

And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. ( Job 2:4-6)

In John 8:44 Jesus said, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Perhaps if the LORD had not restrained Satan, he would have murdered Job. God had a better end in mind for Job after his trial, at the end of the book.

According to the book of Job, God had full authority over every aspect of Job's destruction. God considered Job a perfect and upright servant. We can rightly argue that Job did not deserve the persecution that he received at the hands of satan. We know that God had no need to prove Job to satan or anyone else. We know that God was aware of and allowed it. And Job never doubted God's authority over every moment.

You've searched out and thought about it enough to bring up the story of Job to show God's ultimate authority over all of what you term the 'evil' failures of His creation. You craft and shade your rendition of the examples you give so that the whole situation begins to stink. Then you just drop your investigation right there and point to God and say 'He did it'. Do you really think that it should all be written off as that simple? If you're happy with that then I guess that's ok but then it sounds like a 'misery loves company' attack.

Is beating or torture, even to death, the ultimate trouble to befall either an individual or his/her loved ones? Is there nothing worse than death? Can good come from 'evil'? Thousands of years later millions of people like myself are wiser thanks to God having provided us this account in the life of Job.

For various translations of the word 'evil' (as found in Job 2:10 for example) you can do a web search on "Strongs H7451". I think you'll find that displeasure, distress, or adversity will be an accurate modern English equivalent.

Wayne, true, God did tell Isaiah that He creates evil, but if you take it as written without seeing it in context, one could conclude that God is also the Creator of evil. The context is: for Israel's sake, God raised up Cyrus the Great, of Persia, to conquer Babylon so as to free Israel from the Babylonian captivity ( Isa 45:1).

God also speaks through Isaiah in that chapter about His Greatness & the special position of Israel to His Heart (vv 3-6) & a part of that message was that God can create both light & darkness (the absence of light); He can create peace & also evil (the absence of peace; calamity; war). God, in His Power & Authority can cause Israel to live in peace & security, or if they disobeyed Him, then that peace can be taken away (evil will befall them). However, in this chapter, God is using Cyrus to bring evil (war) by conquering Babylon thus enabling the release of Israel from her clutches.

And so with Job 2:10. Did God specifically bring evil upon Job when he did nothing wrong deserving punishment? Rather, God permitted Satan to afflict Job terribly with the loss of his family, property & affliction of boils. His 'wise, loving' wife told Job to curse God & die - it would be better for him than suffering, but you know Job's response to her: God has blessed me with good & shall not evil (bad) things also come my way - not knowing the reason for his suffering as God gave Satan permission to test Job's faithfulness. Likewise, do we also blame God when evil strikes us? Some do, but those who know the Heart of God understand the matter correctly: a Good God cannot create evil, or else He isn't good - God cannot be both. Evil comes because of our sin or from God's discipline just as He gave to Israel when they left Him.

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. It couldn't be clearer. God told Isaiah that He creates evil. And what about Jobs words? Job 2:10 And he said to her: Thou hast spoken like one of the foolish women: If we have received good things at the hand of God, why should we not receive evil?

Chris,

Thank you for your various responses.

I believe you are correct as to the speaker being Jeremiah up until ( Jeremiah 4:26).

I was wondering, though, if you believe that this is a portrayal of Israel's future punishment, the devastation of this particular punishment of earth covered in water, and no light from heaven, has not come to pass. Is this yet still a future punishment awaiting Israel? If so, then what do we do with God's covenant to Noah in Genesis 9:8-17?

As to the three earth and heaven ages, have you considered 2 Peter chapter 3.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

I believe this is reference to the 1st earth and heaven age, which ended by being "overflowed with water," i.e., becoming "without form, and void."

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I understand this to be the 2nd heaven and earth age. Time present. From Genesis 1:2 on.

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I believe this is the 3rd heaven and earth age we are all looking forward to.

Heaven on earth ( Revelation 21:2)

Three heaven and earth ages; One heaven and one earth.

Concerning Satan, I would give reference to Job.

Satan I believe can be considered a "son of God," because he is referenced as being among them and with them to present himself to God in Job 1:6 and again in Job 2:1.

Satan is also included as being there with God when "the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy" ( Job 38:7) in reference to the creation of earth by God.

It seems as though Satan and the other angels may have been around before the creation of the earth itself.

Thanks,

EJL

You are so right. A lady was asking me what happened to Jobs wife. She told Job to curse God and die; and nothing else.

We are equal in Gods eyes man or women we are all part of Gods family and we are equal in God's Grace we all live in accord in Gods love . bless you.

Personally, I think that Proverbs 31 woman, Esther, and Mary(mother of Jesus), are much better short list, representations of womanhood. Even Mary Magdalene with her checkered past (forgiven by Jesus), was brave in many ways.

If you read to the end of Job, you'll see that God replaced what Job had at first, that was lost; and was multiplied by God to Job.

There's many brave women in the Bible, as life examples. With Deborah, God couldn't find a man to stand up and speak out; so He chose a woman to get Israel in a forward motion.

Look carefully at all genealogy lists. Women's names recorded mean something.

A Bible with 'Center of each Page' reference columns (has the tiny abc notes intermingled in the verses), point to like or additional information on what you are reading; prophesies too. It gives you the whole picture. Sometimes you can Google a chapter and Verse to read Commentaries, scholars have written. Avoid Wikipedia.

Why is there no more information about Job's wife? And how should we consider her comments in our Christians raise as women?