1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son (So God speaks to us by his Son, Jesus, not by himself) , whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of [his] (God's) glory, and the express image of his person (God and Jesus look perfectly alike, but are still seperate physical beings) , and upholding all things by the word of his (God's) power, when he (Jesus) had by himself (Jesus) purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty (God) on high;
(So Jesus Sit's on the right hand of God. Can one sit besides oneself?)
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he (Jesus) hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he (God) at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (So God will be a Father to Christ, and Christ will be his Son. again, not the same person)
6 And again, when he (God) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God (Because we all belong to God the Eternal Father, not Christ) worship him.
7 And of the angels he (God) saith, Who maketh his (Jesus) angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. (So Jesus makes the Angels God gives him into Spirits and the ministers a flame of fire. Flame of fire meaning the burn bright, that the light of Christ is visible through their countenance)
8 But unto the Son [he saith (God Speaking)], Thy throne, O God (Jesus is referred to as the God of Israel), [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (God the Eternal Father), [even] thy God (Again, this is God the Eternal Father, he is Jesus's God too...), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord (Jesus), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: (So God laid down the plan, but it was Christ the Lord God of Israel who actually did the work required to follow God's plan)
So... they are seperate beings... Sorry dudes. That doesn't prove the trinity...
No, I'm not Mormon. I've never read the book of Jasher. My beliefs are not Mormon. The only church I've ever been associated with is the Seventh Day Adventist church, of which I am no longer in association with.
This will be the final time I post here, and I truly mean this. The only reason I came back is because GOD gave me one last argument to present before I left this page for good. I felt obligated to present it to you because I care about Him, His word, and whether or not it is being represented correctly.
"The Sons of GOD" are not angels. Firstly, without your book of Enoch, there isn't any proof of this. One cross reference to Enoch in the book of Jude isn't enough to prove that the book of Enoch isn't a false book.
Secondly, I would like to direct you to John 1:12, which reads: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" KJV
Right there, in that verse, the sons of God are those who believe in Him. Just as I said from the beginning. Seth's bloodline were those who believed in GOD and stayed true to His word.
Still not convinced? After all, you might argue that humans become angels and therefore "sons of God" could still be referring to angels. This is a very common belief amongst Christians. I would like to tell you that this is also incorrect.
Take a look at Hebrews 1:13&14 KJV - "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right
hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"
In this text, Angels are described as spirits that were sent to minister for the heirs of salvation. The heirs of salvation are those who believe in Jesus Christ and are saved by Him. So if Angels are spirits that minister to the saved, then the saved can't be the same as Angels! Therefore, the humans becoming angels argument gets thrown out the window.
The Sons of GOD are those who believe in the LORD. Pure and simple. I'll take what the Bible says over ridiculous conspiracy theory that has absolutely no backing whatsoever other than a book of questionable authority and a few Bible verses taken out of context any day of the week.
Dear Linda, I wanted to respond also to the part of your letter about God's Word saying that no man has seen God at anytime. I found the scripture, and some more that relate to it. No man can see God, but mankind, to whomever He will reveal Himself, can see His Christ; His Image; His only begotten Son, which is also His Word; words, and is the Sword of His Spirit, and we can see God, the Father IN the Face of God's Word; God's only begotten Son; Christ Jesus. The reason Christ is the ONLY begotten of God; the Father, is because Christ was always with God, always existed, was always part of that which is God, and literally CAME FORTH from God. All mankind that receives Christ is born of; begotten of, God BY Christ; BY God's Word, and by His Spirit, thus the Spirit of God's Word. For, the WORDS of Christ are spirit and life.
It is IN the Face; the WORDS, of Christ, that we see; perceive, and come to know, the Father. As, Christ Jesus is the EXPRESS Image of God, the Father. As, Christ was/is the very HEART of God, the Father, expressed unto us. Christ IS the Word, and thus the WORDS of the Father, speaking unto us. As it is written:
I John 3:I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
When Christ Jesus says 'My words,' they are not His as far as where; Who, they came from. The words of God's Word; Christ, are the words of His Father, just as Christ; God's Word, is God's; the Father's.
There are so many beautiful and deep things touched upon in the prayer that Jesus Christ prayed to His Father in John, chapter 17. One thing is that He says, in so many words, 'Father, you gave mankind ME, and I gave them your WORDS.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou GAVEST THEM ME; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have GIVEN unto them THE WORDS which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is NOT MINE, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
_________________________________________________ John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD at any time; the only begotten Son, which is IN THE BOSOM bosom of the Father, he hath DECLARED him.
John 6:63 (Jesus said...)63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
_______________________________________________ 2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God IN THE FACE of Jesus Christ.
Psalms 27:8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.
Psalms 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with THY LIKENESS.
________________________________________________ I John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when HE shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM; for we shall see him as he is.
_________________________________________________ Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being THE BRIGHTNESS his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Mcgi.org/en/topics/blog_articles/ on John 1 - 14 years ago
Who is JESUS??? He the Son of GOD or the bible signify the Wisdom of God...in the Book of Proverbs 8:22 is not Christ. He cited 1 Corinthians 1:30 and hastily concluded that Christ is the wisdom for salvation and redemption only, and not the Wisdom instrumental in the creation of every existing thing. Here were his allegations:
A careful look at the above cited verses will reveal to us the following facts —
1. The Wisdom of God is a mystery
2. The hidden Wisdom ordained by God was before the world
3. It was not known by the princes of this world
Due to these, they crucified the Lord of Glory.
The Wisdom of God being mentioned by Paul here is the Wisdom in a mystery, the hidden Wisdom, which is the Lord of Glory. Remember that this Wisdom was ordained by God before the World.
Who is the Lord of Glory?
( James 2:1) “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.”
It is crystal clear, therefore, that the Wisdom mentioned by Paul who existed and was ordained by God before the world is the Lord Jesus Christ — The Lord of Glory.
It this the same Wisdom being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs?
( 1 Corinthians 1:24) “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
The Apostle Paul said, “The Wisdom of God.” A little knowledge in grammar will teach us know that there is no other Wisdom of God because he used the definite article ‘the.’ However, Christ is the Wisdom of God to those who are called. No wonder, Tumbok does not understand because he was not called. God calls people into the Church of God and not in any church founded by man.
( 1 Corinthians 1:1-2) “Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours…”
It is in the Church of God that God calls people which He considers worthy of serving Him. If there are those who do not consider Christ as ‘the’ Wisdom of God, they are the enemies of Christ.
( 1 Corinthians 1:23-24) “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
Christ is not the Wisdom of God to those who were not called into the Church of God, but a ‘stumbling block’ and foolishness. Certainly, He is the same Wisdom being mentioned in Proverbs 8:22 —
( Proverbs 8:22) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
The word ‘possessed’ being used by the Wisdom (referring to Christ) is very much apparent in the declaration of John.
( John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
The Wisdom was possessed by the Father in the beginning of His ways, before His works of old. The succeeding verses, the 23rd and the 24th, prove that He was begotten before anything was made.
( Proverbs 8:23-24) “I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.”
No other being in the universe was brought forth or begotten of the Father other than the only begotten Son, which was in the beginning, the Wisdom in the bosom of the Father.
( Hebrews 1:5) “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”
He is also the Son mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, which was with the Father in the creation of everything.
( Proverbs 30:4) “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”
He is the person to whom God was speaking, in the creation of man.
( Genesis 1:26) “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Others conclude (which were always erroneous) that God was speaking to angels; but this is not so. God was speaking to someone who has the same image as He has, and there is no other person in the universe or beyond it, that has the exact image of God other than the Son.
( Hebrews 1:1-3) “God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…”
Note that by the Son he made the worlds. The Son is the express image of His person. These reasonings of Saint Paul jive with the preaching of John in his gospel.
( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
To sum up, that Jesus Christ really is the Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, let us look at the verses a second time.
( Proverbs 8:22-30) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him…”
I have highlighted in red words and phrases that speak of the time element proving that the Wisdom, that is the Son, pre-existed before He was born of Mary in the form of a man. There is no other Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Bible, other than the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ; the Lord of Glory, the wisdom that God used in the creation of everything that exists.
( Colossians 2:2-3) “That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”
All treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ. The Apostle Paul has known this so he wrote —
( Colossians 1:15-17) “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
How can something that does not exist be made an instrument in the creation of everything that exists? That is impossible!
( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
The Son was there in the Creation of everything! Without Him was not anything made that was made!
JESUS WAS NOT JUST SIMPLY GOD IN THE FLESH ???????? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. BUT TO US AS CHRISTIANS THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND THAT GOD MANIFESTED HIM SELF IN FLESH , BUT WHEN THE BIBLE CALL JESUS THE WORD OF GOD IT IS SIMBOLIC AS IN OTHER PART HE HAS BEEN CALL THE LAMB OR THE LION BECAUSE JESUS IS NOT LITERALLY WORD CAN YOU ANDERSTAND THAT ?? HE IS THE PERSON WHO HAS THE POWERFULL WORD OF GOD IN HIS MOUTH Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and """ upholding all things by the word of his power """ ; when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
I think that is shows Christ's devinity. That Jesus is God the Son, said so by God the Father. I think this verse and ones like it, make it easy to further understand The Holy Trinity.
BROTHERS , LORD SAYS LEZ YOU REPENT AND ACCEPT JESUS TRULY IN YOUR HEART, YOU CAN NOT ENTER TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD .EXAMINE YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO JESUS MORE.. SEE 2 CORINTHIANS 13; 5
these messangers are swift as the wind in the shape of a tornado dancing across the earths crust at approx. 200 mph and its only when these angels come to a stop is when they take on this fiery flame shaped figure as that of a man which stands about 50 ft. tall. Thats exactly how I saw it on that morning of 05/25
His breathe still softly, on me blows.
His strength still grows, in me, whom he chose.
Sometimes... close so. But always.
My Jesus, breathe so sweet, my yoke not now
so... heavy.
I will follow You always, I love you so.
I thank God for his word. God will not lead
us astray for he has given us a guide on how
we ought to live our lives. Our lives are not
our own but his to command that our actions may
glorify him. I pray for all of you that are lost
and to all who are not that you may come to know
Christ and continue to have faith and trust in God.
God loves you and so do I my brothers and sisters in
Christ.
My Jesus has made me stronger than death,by faith in Him alone.
Merciful merciful Jesus How I love you so. My hands tremble. My heart rests. Yes I am working for You now. I pray for Your Grace to continue to help me heal,with power and humility.
Much love and adoration to our Jesus, as your breath softly blows on my face.......
JEHOVAH'S wITNESSES SAY jESUS IS mICHAEL THE
ARCHANGLE. hEBREWS PROVES THAT NOT SO BY THE
WORDS OF SCRIPTURE. 1 JOHN 1 DOES NOT HAVE AN 'A'
BEFORE 'GOD' AS THEY CLAIM EITHER.
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son (So God speaks to us by his Son, Jesus, not by himself) , whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of [his] (God's) glory, and the express image of his person (God and Jesus look perfectly alike, but are still seperate physical beings) , and upholding all things by the word of his (God's) power, when he (Jesus) had by himself (Jesus) purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty (God) on high;
(So Jesus Sit's on the right hand of God. Can one sit besides oneself?)
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he (Jesus) hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he (God) at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (So God will be a Father to Christ, and Christ will be his Son. again, not the same person)
6 And again, when he (God) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God (Because we all belong to God the Eternal Father, not Christ) worship him.
7 And of the angels he (God) saith, Who maketh his (Jesus) angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. (So Jesus makes the Angels God gives him into Spirits and the ministers a flame of fire. Flame of fire meaning the burn bright, that the light of Christ is visible through their countenance)
8 But unto the Son [he saith (God Speaking)], Thy throne, O God (Jesus is referred to as the God of Israel), [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (God the Eternal Father), [even] thy God (Again, this is God the Eternal Father, he is Jesus's God too...), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord (Jesus), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: (So God laid down the plan, but it was Christ the Lord God of Israel who actually did the work required to follow God's plan)
So... they are seperate beings... Sorry dudes. That doesn't prove the trinity...
No, I'm not Mormon. I've never read the book of Jasher. My beliefs are not Mormon. The only church I've ever been associated with is the Seventh Day Adventist church, of which I am no longer in association with.
This will be the final time I post here, and I truly mean this. The only reason I came back is because GOD gave me one last argument to present before I left this page for good. I felt obligated to present it to you because I care about Him, His word, and whether or not it is being represented correctly.
"The Sons of GOD" are not angels. Firstly, without your book of Enoch, there isn't any proof of this. One cross reference to Enoch in the book of Jude isn't enough to prove that the book of Enoch isn't a false book.
Secondly, I would like to direct you to John 1:12, which reads: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" KJV
Right there, in that verse, the sons of God are those who believe in Him. Just as I said from the beginning. Seth's bloodline were those who believed in GOD and stayed true to His word.
Still not convinced? After all, you might argue that humans become angels and therefore "sons of God" could still be referring to angels. This is a very common belief amongst Christians. I would like to tell you that this is also incorrect.
Take a look at Hebrews 1:13&14 KJV - "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right
hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"
In this text, Angels are described as spirits that were sent to minister for the heirs of salvation. The heirs of salvation are those who believe in Jesus Christ and are saved by Him. So if Angels are spirits that minister to the saved, then the saved can't be the same as Angels! Therefore, the humans becoming angels argument gets thrown out the window.
The Sons of GOD are those who believe in the LORD. Pure and simple. I'll take what the Bible says over ridiculous conspiracy theory that has absolutely no backing whatsoever other than a book of questionable authority and a few Bible verses taken out of context any day of the week.
It is IN the Face; the WORDS, of Christ, that we see; perceive, and come to know, the Father. As, Christ Jesus is the EXPRESS Image of God, the Father. As, Christ was/is the very HEART of God, the Father, expressed unto us. Christ IS the Word, and thus the WORDS of the Father, speaking unto us. As it is written:
I John 3:I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
When Christ Jesus says 'My words,' they are not His as far as where; Who, they came from. The words of God's Word; Christ, are the words of His Father, just as Christ; God's Word, is God's; the Father's.
There are so many beautiful and deep things touched upon in the prayer that Jesus Christ prayed to His Father in John, chapter 17. One thing is that He says, in so many words, 'Father, you gave mankind ME, and I gave them your WORDS.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou GAVEST THEM ME; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have GIVEN unto them THE WORDS which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is NOT MINE, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
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John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD at any time; the only begotten Son, which is IN THE BOSOM bosom of the Father, he hath DECLARED him.
John 6:63 (Jesus said...)63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God IN THE FACE of Jesus Christ.
Psalms 27:8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.
Psalms 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with THY LIKENESS.
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I John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when HE shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM; for we shall see him as he is.
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Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being THE BRIGHTNESS his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
A careful look at the above cited verses will reveal to us the following facts —
1. The Wisdom of God is a mystery
2. The hidden Wisdom ordained by God was before the world
3. It was not known by the princes of this world
Due to these, they crucified the Lord of Glory.
The Wisdom of God being mentioned by Paul here is the Wisdom in a mystery, the hidden Wisdom, which is the Lord of Glory. Remember that this Wisdom was ordained by God before the World.
Who is the Lord of Glory?
( James 2:1) “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.”
It is crystal clear, therefore, that the Wisdom mentioned by Paul who existed and was ordained by God before the world is the Lord Jesus Christ — The Lord of Glory.
It this the same Wisdom being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs?
( 1 Corinthians 1:24) “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
The Apostle Paul said, “The Wisdom of God.” A little knowledge in grammar will teach us know that there is no other Wisdom of God because he used the definite article ‘the.’ However, Christ is the Wisdom of God to those who are called. No wonder, Tumbok does not understand because he was not called. God calls people into the Church of God and not in any church founded by man.
( 1 Corinthians 1:1-2) “Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours…”
It is in the Church of God that God calls people which He considers worthy of serving Him. If there are those who do not consider Christ as ‘the’ Wisdom of God, they are the enemies of Christ.
( 1 Corinthians 1:23-24) “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
Christ is not the Wisdom of God to those who were not called into the Church of God, but a ‘stumbling block’ and foolishness. Certainly, He is the same Wisdom being mentioned in Proverbs 8:22 —
( Proverbs 8:22) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
The word ‘possessed’ being used by the Wisdom (referring to Christ) is very much apparent in the declaration of John.
( John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
The Wisdom was possessed by the Father in the beginning of His ways, before His works of old. The succeeding verses, the 23rd and the 24th, prove that He was begotten before anything was made.
( Proverbs 8:23-24) “I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.”
No other being in the universe was brought forth or begotten of the Father other than the only begotten Son, which was in the beginning, the Wisdom in the bosom of the Father.
( Hebrews 1:5) “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”
He is also the Son mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, which was with the Father in the creation of everything.
( Proverbs 30:4) “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”
He is the person to whom God was speaking, in the creation of man.
( Genesis 1:26) “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Others conclude (which were always erroneous) that God was speaking to angels; but this is not so. God was speaking to someone who has the same image as He has, and there is no other person in the universe or beyond it, that has the exact image of God other than the Son.
( Hebrews 1:1-3) “God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…”
Note that by the Son he made the worlds. The Son is the express image of His person. These reasonings of Saint Paul jive with the preaching of John in his gospel.
( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
To sum up, that Jesus Christ really is the Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, let us look at the verses a second time.
( Proverbs 8:22-30) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him…”
I have highlighted in red words and phrases that speak of the time element proving that the Wisdom, that is the Son, pre-existed before He was born of Mary in the form of a man. There is no other Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Bible, other than the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ; the Lord of Glory, the wisdom that God used in the creation of everything that exists.
( Colossians 2:2-3) “That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”
All treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ. The Apostle Paul has known this so he wrote —
( Colossians 1:15-17) “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
How can something that does not exist be made an instrument in the creation of everything that exists? That is impossible!
( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
The Son was there in the Creation of everything! Without Him was not anything made that was made!
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and """ upholding all things by the word of his power """ ; when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
His strength still grows, in me, whom he chose.
Sometimes... close so. But always.
My Jesus, breathe so sweet, my yoke not now
so... heavy.
I will follow You always, I love you so.
us astray for he has given us a guide on how
we ought to live our lives. Our lives are not
our own but his to command that our actions may
glorify him. I pray for all of you that are lost
and to all who are not that you may come to know
Christ and continue to have faith and trust in God.
God loves you and so do I my brothers and sisters in
Christ.
Merciful merciful Jesus How I love you so. My hands tremble. My heart rests. Yes I am working for You now. I pray for Your Grace to continue to help me heal,with power and humility.
Much love and adoration to our Jesus, as your breath softly blows on my face.......
ARCHANGLE. hEBREWS PROVES THAT NOT SO BY THE
WORDS OF SCRIPTURE. 1 JOHN 1 DOES NOT HAVE AN 'A'
BEFORE 'GOD' AS THEY CLAIM EITHER.