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Msconnie, may the Spirit (truth) grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Very FEW understand the kingdom or heaven or HEAVEN or THE GOSPEL or the good news.

WHERE DOES GOD DWELL?

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God IS WITHIN YOU.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH in you?

1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed DWELL ON THE EARTH? behold the HEAVEN and HEAVEN OF HEAVENS cannot contain THEE; how much less this HOUSE (TEMPLE) that I have builded?

Hebrews 3:6 For Christ is a Son over his own HOUSE; whose HOUSE WE ARE....

Hebrews 9:1-2 .....WE have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the THRONE ( Isaiah 66:1) of the majesty in the HEAVENS; (YOU)

(vs 2) A minister of the sanctuary, and TRUE TABERNACLE, which the Lord pitched and not man.

Psalms 148:4 Praise him, YE HEAVEN OF HEAVENS...

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in HEAVEN....

Hebrews 12:23

Romans 8:29

Colossians 1:27 .....CHRIST IN YOU

You never die if ye are born of the SPIRIT you just change bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:51-58

REVELATION 15

May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS knowledge.

Revelation is about the kingdom of heaven, CHRIST IN YOU AND YOU IN CHRIST.

Ephesians 2:15

Luke 17:21

Colossians 1:27

This chapter is a vision of the finished work of the cross.

Revelation 15:1 ....having the seven last plagues, in them (plagues) is filled up the wrath of God.

These plagues had to be fulfilled before the kingdom of heaven is possible.

(vs 2) The sea is symbolic of people ( Revelation 17:15) the fire is symbolic of Christ ( Hebrews 12:29) these have become one with Christ ( John 17:21)( Ephesians 2:15).

(vs 3-4) The praises to God for their salvation.

(vs 5) Access to the temple is near. The temple is symbolic of Christ. Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up ( John 2:19)

(vs 6-7) The wrath of God is now ready to be poured out.

(vs 8) .....no man is able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels be fulfilled.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him...

THE WRATH OF GOD WAS POURED OUT ON CHRIST, the last plague being death; now we can enter the temple (CHRIST IN YOU AND YOU IN CHRIST) Christ has become our PASSOVER LAMB, death has passed over us.

Hebrews 11:5 By FAITH Enoch was TRANSLATED that he should not see death .....

Colossians 1:13 .... and hath TRANSLATED us into the kingdom of his dear Son

Carleton,

You nailed it! People need to hear the message. There are two words side by side you wrote that really stood out; "God leads!" He leads. If we are doing it out of ambition or a sense of obligation, the Lord's not going to bless that. If He's not in it, then our labor is done in vain, even if we're "doing it for the Lord."

I agree that much Bible prophecy has already been fulfilled. 69 weeks have passed. We have not come to the 70th week yet. I believe the next event to happen is the rapture of the church. And from the rapture of the church until the second coming of Christ, it is called the 70th week of Daniel. We have had 69 weeks, 483 years. And those 483 years ended at the crucifixion of Christ.

But now, there is this time period which is called the time of the Gentiles, between the death of Christ, and His coming for His church. We don't know the time frame, but as soon as the church is removed, there will be seven years, one week in Jewish literature. There will be seven years of tribulation.

We're running this race together. Never be discouraged. We'll all reach the finish line because Christ sees to it. We just have to be careful how we run it because we will not all be rewarded the same.

Just as in Luke 9:51 where Jesus had His eyes fixed on Jerusalem. When it was time for Him to go and die, He was fixed to go to Jerusalem. You couldn't get Him off track. That's how we are to run our race, having our eyes fixed on Christ.

Hebrews 12:2, "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

He's the author and finisher. He saves us, sets the race before us, and sees it through to its completion. Sometimes the race is hard to run. We get sidetracked with everyday life and lose our focus. But we will finish the race no doubt. Christ in us will bring us to the finish line.

Have a blessed day in Christ!

GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD

Mark 1:14-15 Now after John was put into prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the GOSPEL of the kingdom of God.

(vs 15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye and believe the GOSPEL.

Repentance is not the GOSPEL.

Psalms 52:1 Why BOASTEST thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man; the goodness of God endureth continually.

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his GOODNESS and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the GOODNESS of GOD leads to repentance.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN you.

THIS IS THE GOSPEL!

Colossians 1:27 ..... which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory.

You are baptised (not by physical water; but with living water) INTO CHRIST!

The baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire Matthew 3:11

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Yes, they know what what is happening on earth.

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 12:1 is a good verse to help with that. Ithink God wants us to remember that its not just losing weight but hes concerned about our heart.May God bless you in your venture.

Strongs Concordance, not Strings. [blush]

Paulette,

Good for you! A worthy goal. And I'll just second Richards starting book, John.

Regarding Greek words, get a Strings Concordance. It's as big as a dictionary. I have had this volume for decades for reference. More recently I've been using an the eSword app on my iPad, iPhone and desktop. It is FREE. As I recall, it comes loaded with the King James version and you can download Strongs for KJV. Strongs contains dictionary-like pronunciation guides and phonetic spelling of the Greek. Many other translations are available to download.

Hello Paulette,

In my opinion I would lead a student to read the book of John first. As this is my favorite of the four accounts of the Lords life and very unique to the other three. As all of the four books are unique, Matthew, Mark and Luke are close but have their own details. So it is good to read all. I would have them read John first then Matthew and then Mark & Luke.

Of coarse this is my personal opinion. Maybe others would like to share what they feel with other details. All for the Glory of the Lord.

God Bless and thank you for teaching children about the Lord.

I want to know how to pronounce the word in greek and other language beside english that I speak, also I want to teach middle school student about faith and fear and how to study the bible were do I start Matthew,Mark, Luck and John

Thank you for your return answer.

Darren, may the spirit grace you with his wisdom and his knowledge.

no part of revelation is going to occur in the physical sense.

revelation is spiritual warfare for the kingdom of heaven.

revelation is completely symbolic.

isaiah 9:5 now every (natural) battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this (spiritual battle) shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

isaiah 9:19 ....and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire....

isaiah 4:4 when the lord (a consuming fire hebrews 12:29) shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of (new) zion, and shall have purged the blood of (new) jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgement and the spirit of burning.

luke 12:49 i am come to send fire on the earth; and what be i (the fire), if it (the fire) be kindled already?

matthew 4:11 ....he shall baptize you with the holy spirit and with fire;

isaiah 9:18 for wickedness burneth as the fire (our god is a consuming fire).....

isaiah 10:16 .... and under his glory (us) he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

isaiah 24:15 wherefore glorify ye the lord in the fires ....

isaiah 31:9 ....whose fire is in (new) zion, and his furnace in (new) jerusalem.

isaiah 33:14 .....who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burning?

where the fire is never quenched (our god is a consuming fire)

isaiah 42:25 therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle; and it (the battle) hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it (the battle) burned him, and he laid it not to heart.

ezekiel 5:2 thou shall burn with fire a third part in the midst of the (new jerusalem, christ in you).....

zachariah 13:9 and i will bring the third part through the fire ....

revelation 8:1-13

revelation 9:18 by these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire...brimstone...smoke....

hebrews 9:27

1 peter 4:17

Steve Anderson

"saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH"

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8&9

You cut short that verse to construe it to your purposes. "and that(the faith)not of yourselves; it is the gift of God"

Faith in God is a gracious gift of God.

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12:2 I believe that if you or I were the author of our faith it will finish badly.

"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 14:12 & 16:25

Saved is not a condition whereby you are clinging to God, but he with you in his grasp.

Looks like God hated Esau because sold his birthright. Hebrews 12:15-17 "Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

That is a very telling portion of Scripture, again showing that water baptism is simply one's visible act of identification with the crucified risen Christ & not necessarily an evidence of saving faith. One would always rejoice in another's baptism testimony but only the Lord knows & judges the heart.

Simon appeared as one saved, as the Scriptures indicate, but he had other plans that were not consistent with his salvation experience: he wanted to continue his profession, no more in sorcery, but in using the "power of God" which seemed much greater than he had before, to earn him bigger bucks. So in both ignorance & wickedness he sought to purchase this "power". Peter then withstood him & essentially told him, that if this was his attitude, then his salvation & baptism were not real. And that he was in "the gall of bitterness" suggests that Simon's heart was as gall, which is similar to Hebrews 12:15: "root of bitterness". What was he bitter about? Simon was in the grip of envy, so strong that the envy he should have had for receiving more of Christ, was actually envy for his personal carnal profit. And this proved a heart of bitterness towards those who had what he didn't have.

For any bitterness that you have, you need to deal with that speedily. A bitter spirit against others, for any reason, is like a canker that will continually eat into you, even to the point that you may wonder whether you're actually saved. Bitterness & hatred are close cousins; both are not acceptable by the Lord. You recognized this in you, which is the first step. Then you have to deal with it: seek forgiveness from God & the other person, pray for yourselves - for healing of the mind & spirit, do good things for him/her - cover it with love.

When you know something is wrong (e.g. the violent movie) & refuse to watch it, then you're obeying the Spirit's Word to your heart. If you however, disobey, you will soon get the Spirit's tug to remind you that "Alec, you should know better".

Hello Paul,

I did the search for you brother:

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69

Psalms 110:1

Mark 16:19

Acts 2:33

Acts 7:55-56

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:20

Colossians 3:1

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:12

Hebrews 12:2

( 1 Peter 3:22

Fred, the Spirit is gracing you with his understanding and his wisdom. My reply is not so much to you; but to others who read and respect your comments. Our process of dying to the flesh and being made alive by the Spirit is described throughout the word of God, but most are hidden in parables, metaphors, similitudes, proverbs, etc. This is the Spirit's doing because without the SPIRIT you can't understand.

Example:

Zachariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague (spirit not natural) wherewith the Lord (Spirit) will smite ALL the people that fought (spiritually not naturally) against Jerusalem (spiritual not natural); Their flesh shall consume away (spiritually not naturally) while they stand upon their feet......FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Revelation is especially symbolic and hidden from natural eyes. It also describes how we die to the flesh.

Isaiah 9:5 For every (natural) battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in (natural) blood; but this (spiritual battle for the kingdom of heaven) shall be with (spiritual) burning and FUEL of (spiritual) fire.

Isaiah 9:19 .....and the people shall be as the FUEL of the (spiritual) fire.....

Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord (Spirit) shall have washed away the FILTH or the daughters of (spiritual) mount Zion, and shall have purged the blood of (spiritual) Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the SPIRIT of judgement , and by the SPIRIT of burning.

Hebrews 12:29 For our GOD (SPIRIT) IS A CONSUMING (SPIRITUAL) FIRE.

Revelation 9:18 By these three was a third part of man (those called) killed (they died to the flesh), by the (spiritual) fire (Christ now in the form of the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit), and by the smoke, and by the brimstone.....

Revelation 20:5 But the REST OF THE DEAD (those who have not yet died to the flesh) lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION (therefore there had to be a FIRST DEATH.

May the Spirit grace you.

God truly is so good!

"you won't see God with his son standing next to him".

Luke 22:69; Hebrews 1:13; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; Acts 7:56; Romans 8:34; 1 Peter 3:22; etc.

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:11-13

Hebrews 12:2

Luke 16:19

Mark 14:62

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:21

1 Peter 3:22

Acts 7:55

Colossians 3:1

These verses should be sufficient to show that the risen Jesus Christ is now at the Father's right Hand.

Alex, It is you who has taken the word of God out of context, so as to further the lie you teach. Saved by the fire, regardless of what a person believes, is not by faith in Christ to have paid for sins. Jesus did say, "it is finished", that is, the work of salvation which he finished on the cross. "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Hebrews 5:9, not ALL, as you say, will enter eternity as saved. Alex, you diminish the sacrifice of Jesus.

While I address this reply to Alex, I know he will not hear. But this forum is open to many others who come here with an intent to hear and see God's word. It is no surprise that agents of Satan will be here to slander God's word. They operate as the fowls following the sower, to take away the seed of truth. Luke 8:12

All the four Gospels give some narrative about Jesus' baptism by John.

Matthew chapter 3; Mark chapter 1; Luke chapter 3; and John chapter 1.

Wasn't Jesus baptized by John the Baptist? If so, would you please give me the Bible verse(s) that explain it?

Hi Zybejta, I'm unsure about the dreams, May i ask have you received Christ as your Lord and savior? I do Know he would want that, and Hebrews 10-25 says do not forsake the assembly. and When and if its safe he do want you to find a good bible teaching church and fellowship

I was born into a communist country and raised athiest. when I was 23 yrs Old I defected communism! March 21, 1991 immigrated to the USA. Dec 8 got baptized & married in church! That nigh I see God and Jesus in my dream. Since then I kept seeing dreams! I Jesus healing me, John the Baptist, Haven, rapture, one months before the tsunami happened I see it on my dream! During the election 2016 when I voted for Trump because GOD told me to vote for him, and although I voted for Hillary 1st time & 2nd Time Romney! I was democrat for the past 25 yrs! I feel thirsty for knowledge of god but I don't feel going to any church! I really like to know what all this mean?

Give it to God stop seeking answers from anybody else people even with the best intentions can you scripture tell you the wrong answer even when they think it's right only God knows you situation your future plans Etc nobody even comes close to having an understanding like God there's only one unforgivable sin God loves and forgives all of his children Jesus frees you this death and Sacrifice by his blood because of is as Father's Love When You Believe in except this can you love God does it mean to take the easier they almost always get harder especially when you can't forgive yourself let go of your past trust in him let him have control deny own understanding and have faith pray to God about it and that's God take care of it his will be done it's only one unforgivable sin God might want you to start a new life being born again a new plan a new marriage and happiness cetera or he may want to restore what you had or the one you have everything is going to be okay and no matter what I may have decided and does for your life it will be good let go of everything set your eyes on God heaven give it all to him ask forgiveness and repent you can start anew if that's what he wants for you and can be free of all the things that he removes and let's die on the cross with the old you honor all of what you receive to the best of your ability don't expect things to be easy perfect are for you not to have to make a serious effort be grateful and thankful even though you've really been saved by grace and not by works love God with all your heart and soul love others do your best to follow the Commandments even though your free of the law

HI Clara, I do not know what you mean by regarding the Lords blood unclean, can you be more specific? have you received the Lord as your savior? if so you know we stumble, but God want let his children live in sin, he chastise those that are his, read Hebrews 12:7-13. That's what that verse would mean to you. Now if you're not a child of God and you die in you sins then that verse means judgment for them. but you can except Christ as you savior and turn from that sin grow in grace and he will remove that sin from your life.

HEBREWS 12:14 Follow peace with all men and hollinesse without which no man shall see the Lord 1611 bible

HEBREWS 12:14 Followe peace with all men, and holinesse, without which no man shall see the Lord:'' kjv 1611 bible

This is what I know. God is a spirit and a consuming fire. Jesus is fully God and fully man. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ

The Holy Spirit is invisible.

King James Bible

Hebrews 12:29

For our God is a consuming fire.

Deuteronomy 4:24

For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. Three persons: all are one God.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Maybe you'd like to add a KJV Bible to your bookcase?

Blessings, Mishael

Heb'12:27

"Yet once more" will I shake not only the earth, but the heaven also signifies a great shaking of peoples secrets, hidden agendas, 'powers of the air' and desires for world DOMINATION ...

Eph'6:12 " for we fight not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers of the air in high places"

Ergo see Trump 2020 that exemplifies this

Rom' 2:13-16 ".......when on that day according to my gospel God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus"

A great shaking is taking place in America right now!! And not America only!! and the very aftershocks are shaking this PLANET to its very foundations....even to we in 'down under' land

Mat'10:26 "So have no fear of them, for there is nothing that is covered that will not be revealed...."

Mat 13:41

"the son of man will send out his angels, and they will weed out all causes of sin and corruption and all evil doers"

The weeding out of corrupt people, hidden systems is hapenning before our very eyes!

God bless America!