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If I may, what people call demons are devils, unclean spirits, principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, some spirits with no physical bodies, some angels that have bodies that cannot possess humans but can control. Evil spirits are on this earth that can influence and also possess humans.
We see while Jesus was here the first time, He cast them out of many people, also he gave power for the disciples to do the same Matthew 10:1. We also see Paul doing the same, one in Acts 16:18. They are still on this earth, many do not believe they're real but believe me they are real.
The bible is not clear how or why these beings are on the earth. There are writings outside of the bible that talk about these but how true are they. The sons of God you speak of are angels, not unembodied spirits. Job 1:6 Job 2:1 and Job 38:7. We know some angels left their first estate and sinned that are locked in chains of darkness until judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6.
These angels are not the devils or spirits that are roaming this earth, they are locked in the bottomless pit. We see they have a king in Revelation 9 whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Strange is his name has the same meaning as the son of perdition, that means destruction/destroyer.
Through scripture, it says angels can take on human form, they ate and drank and even wrestled with Jacob. We are even warned when entertaining strangers they may be an angel. The sons of God you speak of in Genesis are those angels who left their first estate and mated with human women that produced the giants (Nephilim and Rephaim or Rephaites) The name of these people means "terrible ones", they were before the flood and after Genesis 6:4 tells us they were then and after the flood and when the sons of God mated with women it produced giants.
God bless,
RLW
means or trying to prove what I think but what is God saying, what does He mean, after all its His Word and its Truth.
to discuss the positives of believing Gods Word and deliverance through Jesus Christ, I don't see the profitability
spiritually of continuing this area of conversation. If someone else chooses to that's there privilege, so that being
said I'm on to something else. I bid you Philippians 4:8+9 God Bless
I'm aware of is John the baptist, even Jesus Christ was not born with Spirit, John 1:32. When an individual gets
born again he receives that which he didn't have before holy spirit eternal life Gods Gift. Now some believe the
spirit and soul are the same.
Spirit life is eternal where as when you take your last breath that's the end of sou life , Genesis 2:7 God formed man, gave him shape then breathed into his nostrils breath of life and he became a living Soul
it is believed by some since God is Spirit that is what he breathed in man. In Genesis 1:27 God created man in His own
Image and In the Gospel of John 4:24 Jesus Christ said God Is Spirit. So man in the beginning was body soul and spirit
when man sinned in Genesis He lost his Most important part His Spiritual connection with God which was bought back by Jesus Christ.
1. Sons of God and Satan presented themselves to God because they were evil.
2. God banished them to earth where at least some "possessed" the natural bodies of men
3. Having commandeered these bodies at birth (when the soul & spirit are given), they assumed all the natural attributes of men.
4. That is why the sons of God (now devils masquerading as men) found the women attractive and married them.
5. The result was children with human traits but evil spirits.
6. God saw what happened and lamenting, wanted to destroy man.
7. Except for Noah.
I believe that I can back all this up with several Biblical verses. Is my analysis accurate? Where am I wrong? Is this plausible? Thanks!
at its will, notice I said devils because that's what scripture calls them. Also there is a major difference between
possession and influence, this is a field all its own that very few people believe or understand. One example I know
of possession was a person I think in China could change the form of metal by thought, that was spiritual power.
Any person that displays a so called ability that breaks natural law walking on coals of fire, so called mental telepathy
clairvoyance , clairaudience, these things are forms of influence or possession.
All of the above can be delivered and set free by the gospel.
Do you agree with me that demons can possess a natural body? If you do, then demons would have natural attributes.
One attribute would be physical strength. Consider Matthew 8:28 - And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Another physical attribute of a demon possessing physical attributes would be procreation. Perhaps you have insight into who the sons of God were. I am more than willing to change my understanding based on Scripture.
BTW, I also agree with you on your creation statement. Have a terrific day, David! What a great Biblical name!
but notsexually impregnate. now God who is spirit created the sperm in mary to conceive our saviour that's because
God can Create because to create is to do or bring something into existence from nothing. In Genesis God
spoke into being creation by His Word.
Interestingly, the first verse in Genesis 6 discusses an birth explosion: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
The second verse then mentions the sons of God. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. This seems to support the idea that evil spirits took on natural attributes.
Just because they are called sons of God does not make them good. Jesus, Son of God was good. Satan, also a son of God, was evil.
A final note. The sons of God mentioned in the OT are different from the sons of God in the NT. In the NT, we are the sons and children of God. We, natural men, have received the Holy Ghost. Romans 9:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Here, Paul is talking about us, as natural men. This notion is support later in Romans 8:16 - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.
Consider this key related verse, Job 2:1 - there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. If they presented themselves to God, the sons of God had to be spirits. But they weren't good spirits. How do we know this? They were led by their leader, Satan, and were being called by God to account for themselves. Being evil, they were being banished from heaven and given the choice of remaining a spirit, like Satan, or assuming a natural body.
We know that the soul (and spirit) are given to man at birth. I propose that when the evil spirits were banished, they commandeered the spirits of new-borns. This gave the evil spirits, which didn't have physical bodies and therefore couldn't have sex, the physical attributes needed to marry and have children as noted in Genesis 6:4.
This would also explain Genesis 6:3 - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh. "that he [the evil spirits] also is flesh." Implies that the evil spirits had become men. It would also explain the outburst of wickedness found later in Genesis 6. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. It was because (6.4) the children of the sons of God and daughters of men had become mighty men which ere of old, men of renown with natural bodies but evil spirits.
May the Holy Ghost lead us in knowledge. Peace to you and yours.
Daniel 7:22, Galatians 4:22, Ecclesiastes 3:1-17, Daniel 7:25, Exodus 9:16-19, Hebrews 9:8-10, Psalms 105:17-19, Micah 5:2-4, seems to be significant even in future Luke 16:16,
Hope that's helpful
This process is something that happens in your body naturally every day.
There is no mention of DNA in the bible because the authors had no knowledge of it. Eating a piece of fruit does not alter your DNA just as eating a piece of meat or a cookie or a glass of wine does not. The "apple" mentioned in Genesis is just a literary device and a pretty weak one at that.
John 8:31, Matthew 27:11, John 18:33, Revelation 7:5
We are building up today. Look at all of the sky scrapers (the word describes the tower of Babel) all over the world. But even more, we are going into space. I don't think God ever wanted us to do that. He said earth was made to be inhabited by man, but never space.
Agreed, animals cannot sin, but can be defiled and perhaps interbred with deleterious results.
Revisiting this portion of Scripture is indeed helpful for us to realize how devastating unbridled sin is on our world.
And it serves as graphic reminder of God's viewpoint on it and how thoroughly he judged the world. we are to remember that there is a judgment to come as well as a tribulation. Jesus said that this time will be far more severe than ever before in history, so, as you said, make use of the time we have to speak the gospel to others, pray for them, warn them, help them as best we can, that some may be saved!
And I also believe that as sin corrupted mankind & his generations, so to were the animals subjected to corruption, yet not to sinful behaviour; not only leading to their death but also for their fierceness in many cases. Fortunately, animals still kill because of feeling threatened or for hunger - unlike some of us who kill them, calling it 'sport'. Indeed, one could even presume that the earthquakes, tsunamis, tidal waves, famines, & the like are all Earth's & its troposphere's responses to the general decay & corruption of civilization. And of course, these are painful, yet vivid reminders to all that there remains a greater judgement from the Creator of all flesh that is yet to come. But we press on unflinchingly & unperturbed, a lot like those in Noah's day. Yet, as did Noah, so must we continue to sound the warning coupling it with the Gospel of Grace.
Either way, these giant offspring were exceedingly wicked and powerful. It is likely they contributed greatly to the acceleration of wickedness on the then earth by the time of Noah. Perhaps this is when mankind began worshipping renowned men or predecessors, making images of them and temples for the idols to "abide".
I don't have any information on the time frame where this intermixing first occurred. Anyone out there with thoughts or info? How long did God hold back from deciding upon judgment? I believe after God told Noah to build the ark and announced the flood, He also said that the years of mankind would be 120 years. I think that speaks to the number of years between Calling Noah and the day the flood began, 120 years (not lifespan).
Some have commented why God destroyed the animals. The text says that ALL flesh had corrupted the ways God had intended for them. So, it seems the natural order of all breathing creatures was corrupted. It doesn't say how, though. God said that the world was filled with violence. It seems that anarchy was prevailing throughout the world. Perhaps governing systems had collapsed, and anarchy filled the void. It took mankind about 1600+ years to get to this point. Not really very long. God was grieved.
So glad God spared Noah and pairs of animals to replenish the earth. He was going to give the earth a new start instead of total destruction. He could have translated Noah and have been done with it. But the Lord had a plan that was too be accomplished no matter what mankind did. In the big scheme of things, the flood was a blessing to the world. The set number of humans had not all been born yet. The world was not filled to the capacity God had pre-determined. And, more importantly, the Redeemer had not come and rule and reign yet. There is an end to this world age. God knows when that will be. We can be assured that His plans will be accomplished because he is all-knowing and all-powerful.
Noah obeyed God.
To consider the angelic/human sexual unions scenario, then these offspring would have been very different than rest of humanity. And so the description of them as giants and /or mighty men of renown. This theory usually states that the fallen angels were bound up in the abyss for future judgment. Hard to know if they were able to mate with humans, since they are bound and so haven't been involved in human history since the time of the flood or before. Therefore we do not know what they could or could not do in their fallen state. Certainly ALL fallen angels were not bound or else where would Satan get his sinful spiritual accomplices. I do feel that this theory is as plausible as the Sethite/Cainite theory. The text is just not explicit enough for me to really make a determination.
I do believe that the beings produced from the unions mentioned in the text were giants. It says that, and the giants mentioned after the flood in Scripture were described as one would normally consider giants with the physical anomalies of extreme height, extra digits on hands and feet, extreme strength, and extra rows of teeth. Hard to say which is true.
This chapter describes the deep and widespread wickedness of mankind in the times before the flood. God says that every intent of man's heart was wicked. Taking this saying literally, it would state that every person but Noah and Enoch in that time were wholly corrupted. I don't know if that was true of Lamech, Methuselah, Jared, Mahalalel, Cainan, Enosh, Seth or Adam between the time of Adam-Noah's 500th year. These persons are spoken of as preachers of righteousness or patriarchs. It say that Noah alone was a just man and perfect in his day. So what does it say about these other patriarchs who were alive during Noah's lifetime or say, 500 years before he was born? So what transpired to bring this state about in mankind?
Many say that Noah was a godly man and that he descended from these patriarchs who did not intermarry with Cain's progeny. I lean towards this view, but can't be definitive about it from the text.
In the comment section there is much discussion concerning the identification of the sons of god and daughters of men.
I was taught as a child that the sons of god where fallen angels and the daughters of men were just that. But I have also heard teaching that says they were the sons of the godly line of Seth and the daughters of men were the daughters of Cain's line. I really don't know as there seems to be some biblical support for both theories. Extra biblical sources elaborate on this subject, some being from a very long time ago in the early church or Book of Enoch, Book of Jasher, and Book of Jubilees. I have read many sections in these extra-biblical books. Like a lot of Judaic rabbinical writings, I take a cautious view of such literature because of the multitude of errors taught in such writings. See more.....
In Genesis 6:4 it talks about the giants, "in those days; and also, after that", We see in those days and also after that we have giants (Nephilim). We see when Israel went into the promised land God gave them a command Deuteronomy 20:16-18. The word giant is Nephilim, which is also in Numbers 13:33, giants after the flood.
The question this raises is, who are the Nephilim and how did they survive the flood? Were these more fallen angels that created more giants? If the Nephilim were indeed half-human/half-angelic then it may explain the many ancient religious views after Babel with demi-gods (half man half god), but we do not find it clearly in scripture.
Also, in the Old Testament, there is the Rephaim (or Rephaites), and the context describes them as giants. The name of these people means "terrible ones" also, refers to departed spirits whose dwelling place was the abyss.
Here are some scriptures that may help your study, Joshua 12:4 2 Samuel 21:16 Also read Joshua 13, 15, 17, 18, 2 Samuel 21 and 1 Chronicles 20.
We do find giants of considerable size. Is there any scripture that tells us where these giants came from? There were not just one or two, but there were many. The descriptions of these giants appear much larger than 8-9 feet tall, a small number of people today.
Numbers 13:33 Deuteronomy 2:19-21 Deuteronomy 20:17 Amos 2:9
Many struggles with there being giants but all over the world history records similarities of myths of giants, were they real? Whatever the case, there is the biblical evidence, plus written accounts outside of the Bible, that giants did exist.
Are the Nephilim and Rephaim the offspring of angels and human women that became demons and evil spirits after the flood that we see in the Bible? In the Bible there are angels which kept not their first estate, but left their habitation and are locked in chains of darkness until judgment.
Study for your conscience may this help, God bless.
RLW
God protected the lineage of Jesus all the way to Bethlehem.
By saying what you have alleged, you show yourself to be a heretic.
I rebuke you in the Name of Jesus, by Dominion and by the authority of Jesus Christ.
Amen.