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We often get questions on whether Jesus could have committed sin, some believe he had a sin nature but was just obedient, and all we have to be obedient and trust in Christ and we shall be saved, ( In that order, SANCTIFICATION AND THEN SALVATION AFTER THAT. ) They don't view the ten commandments as our schoolmaster to show us our short comings, and a need for a savior but rather they're instructions to salvation. But how can they be instructions for salvation if they were impossible to keep being we have this cursed sin nature? If you can keep all the commandments why is there a need to be born again? If we are not born with a sin nature why are we baptized in Jesus death? Did Jesus struggle to resist sin as we do? Better yet did struggle with doing the right thing as we do? ""NO"". If we go to hell it will be because we didn't believe in he who was promised to come 430 years before the commandments, because we was transgressors before the commandments, and when the commandments came we died because we became sin. Jesus came to take the PENALTY of sin "which is death" off us and placing it on himself and defeating death when he rose from the dead! so if we was baptized in his death we should walk in newness of life by his resurrection, So sanctification comes after salvation. Man isn't a sinner because he committed a sin, Man commits sin because he is a sinner. ( EXAMPLE) You take a man biting dog and tie him up. he's now unable to bite is he still a man biting dog? The ability of man able to sin makes him imperfect and unholy apart from Jesus Christ. So if you want to be judged by your achievements you're still in bondage, if you trust in Christ you are freed. Thank you.

Hi Jocelyn, Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: Now lets start here, If God tells them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, God knows they can't do that with just Cain, Seth, and Abel. He would have to have blessed them with daughters, Have you noticed noone ever ask that about Seth or Abel? I believe it's because Cain went out and dwelt in the lad of nod after he killed Abel, and the think he found a wife from a pryor creation, but they forget God told Adam and Eve to replenish the earth it wasn't already replenished. Lets look carefully at when Cain went away, I think we may have a clue. Genesis 4:14-17 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, (that every one that findeth me shall slay me).

And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain,( lest any finding him should kill him.)

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

(And Cain knew his wife;) and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. It seems there were already people other than Cain and Abel, and I take the position Cain already have his wife, they could have been hundreds of years old, we are sure Adam and Eve had daughters, and Possibly Abel, One thing for sure, She's either his sister or his niece, Maybe someone else can provide more insight, I hope that helps.

where did cain wife come from

They also called Jesus son of David, Obviously the word son is often used different in scripture, I've seen where someone posted God is a spirit Jesus cant be God, Well using that same reasoning how can a spirit have a son?

Question, if EVE were the only women, I am not understanding where did Cain wife come about

Moses is pointing out the sinning blood line of Cains murder. That family never spoke one word of the Lord but it did keeps its evil sinning murderous ways.

Kelly's Question: Who are these other people that live outside of Eden? God created Adam, and from Adam He created Eve, Eve bore Cain, then bore Able whom Cain killed. So who is it that Cain is afraid will kill him if they see him?

Answer: Although the Bible does not give the timeline of events during earlier chapters of Genesis it can be assumed that there were several years, perhaps even a hundred in which other births of Adam and Eve's who have grown up and knowing ALL of their siblings, it quite reasonable to see that Cain [may have] been concerned for their retaliating on behalf of Abel. Of course this is just a reasonable guess, but not without the obvious conclusion(s).

Hi I have a strange question for you where did the women come from that Cain took his wife Where did she come from? Was she his sister we all come from Adam and Eve Thank you for your answering if you can and I do hope you have a great day. Sincerely Theresa

Where did Cain's wife come from?

Because he doesn't go around taking life. Instead he lays down the rules and allows us to make free choices. Judgement day is coming when ALL (even the devil) be judged based on those choices.

We are not told specifically what made Cain's offering unacceptable to the Lord (in Genesis 4:3-5). It has been suggested that Cain came with a heart that was not right before God, whether he harboured sin, or thought light of fulfilling such an important duty. Then again, even though sacrifices were not officially commanded by God at that time, there may have been the idea (from their parents) that a blood offering was only acceptable for sin offering. As well, Adam & Eve would have been familiar with the killing of animals as God had done, so as to clothe them at their time of sin. Abel did correctly by taking of the first of his flock but Cain only produced what grew from his field, & this may have not been acceptable as a Sacrifice.

Genesis 4

Cain killed Abel because his gift

Hid unconfessed sins, but the lift

Came when Seth learned to call on God

For all that grows upon the sod.

Yes, I do not understand the sin of Cain before he killed his brother. God was pleased with Abel's gift but not with Cain's gift. Cain became jealous and then killed his brother which of course was sin. Why was Cain's gift not acceptable to God?

Hello again Claire, thank you for your Bible references:

Genesis 4:1 Take note of who is saying "I have gotten a man from the Lord". It is Eve, the one who had already been beguiled by the serpent, so we know she was capable of getting things wrong. In one sense, she was correct; in that all life comes from the Lord as creator of heaven and earth and He created life with a reproductive seed principle. She does not state who is the father, merely that she has gotten a man. Note also that Adam did not "know" Eve a second time before Eve gave birth to Able. Twins in the womb from different fathers is what is being recorded here. A biological event that has since been proven to be possible. Note also why Adam called the woman Eve: it was because she was the mother of all living. Nowhere does the Bible say that Adam was the father of all living. In fact, much scripture indicates that Adam was not.

Sorry, I don't understand the reasons for quoting 1 Corinthians 14:33 and 2 Timothy 3:16 in this particular context.

Hi Roy,

I have heard that story about Satan being Cain's father but it's not biblical.

Genesis 4:1

And [Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain], and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

1 Corinthians 14:33

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

God bless you and your family.

Kind Regards

Claire

There is no evidence to a specific instruction God placed to the people he created, such as He proposed to Eve an Edam about the tree of live. However, it is only evident that only one instruction that the second creation of people supposed to followed is not to Harm Cane by looking at the sign on the forehead he placed. Because they have not been given special treatment, they lived freely out there. God's relationship with people is obvious in the sense that he created them to look after them. God revealed himself to them in a very special way. God created the people with and amongst the animals-similar to the manner God created the animals he crated the second set of human being and he looked after the animals and human being in the similar manner. The question is that, is it necessary for God to reveal himself to them as he did to the Eve and Edam.

The question about the grate flood has series of question attached to it such questions as: does the flood occur in a specific area or the entire world that could affect everything?

Opinion to justify human understanding would be contrary to what God has already designed and placed.

When there are some deviance such as ( Genesis 1, Genesis 2, Genesis 4: 13-14, Genesis 3: 23-24) to justify the two set creation and existence of people and exit out of Garden of Eden to a different sent of environment are words of the Lord in the Bible.

Dear ron, I hope I could answer you question as well.

When reading Genesis 1 Carefully, it basically talks about the creation of everything out side of Garden of Eden starting from Day 1 to the 6th day. This creation includes the creation of man and women, plants and animals, as well as other creation that give detail in verse 1 and to 30. However, Genesis 2 give account of the creation of Eve and Edam, Garden of Edan, rivers and the trees and plants in it.

Therefore, let us see things this way: there are two sets of creation-a creation in a small world and a creation in a big world.

The first set of creation include human being that was not created by God using his hands as they evolved when God commend and they lived outside of the small world everywhere that is evident in, ( Genesis 4: 13-14).

Eve and Edam came form the second sets of creation and where bound to live within the smaller world which is the Garden of Eden. However, due to their disobedience, they have been forced out-Out where? Out to the big world. They being cast out ( Genesis 3: 23-24) is an evident of second set of creation that they begin to experience and lived with. Because they have been forced out to the big world, Cane fear that people would slay him-Cane fear of people is an evident to some people being created and are already present. God's account of his care and protection also accounted for second creation and evident of human being everywhere as well, ( Genesis 4: 13-14).

Therefore, there are two sets of creations: The first set evolved through God's command and lived everywhere. The second set was the specific creations that God created God lived with them, however due to disobedience they were forced out but still protect them and lived with them.

No, Cain was the first child of Adam & Eve, even as Genesis 4:1 declares. I realize that there's false teaching around to indicate otherwise, but that just comes from one's overactive imagination.

Gill's Exposition of:

For I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt; which, as some say, were his great-grandfather Cain, and his son Tubalcain: according to a TRADITION OF THE JEWS: it was after this manner; Cain being old, and blind, and weary, sat in a thicket among the trees to rest himself; when Lamech, who was blind also, and led by young Tubalcain hunting, who seeing Cain, and taking him for a wild beast, bid Lamech draw his bow, which he did, and killed him; but coming nearer, and finding it was Cain, was wroth and angry, and slew the young man: the ARABIC WRITERS, tell the story with a little variation, and Lamech being in the woods with one of his sons, and hearing a noise in it, supposing it to be a wild beast, cast a stone, which fell upon Cain, and killed him ignorantly; and the lad that led him said, what hast thou done? thou hast killed Cain! and coming to his wives, Adah and Zillah, said to them, hear my word, he that slew Abel shall be avenged sevenfold, but Lamech seventy times seven, who killed a man with a stone, and a young man by clapping of his hands. And Gills version: he was sorry for it, made confession of it; it was to the wounding and grief of his soul, which does not agree with the wicked race of Cain: the words may be rendered: "though I have slain a man, that is nothing to you, you are not accountable for it, nor have anything to fear coming upon you by reason of that; it is to my own wounding, damage, and hurt, if to any, and not to you [the murder of Abel should be avenged on them, this being the 7th generation in which it was to be avenged, Genesis 4:15]

Mishaels Opinion: I think TubalCain was "accidentally" killed. I first thought there was fist fight until I read this. All of the descendants of Cain died before the Flood.

The story of Cain is told by the Arabs he lived among, and by Jewish Historians. Hopefully these commentaries will end that discussion.

My apologies to you,

Gill's Exposition of:

For I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt; which, as some say, were his great-grandfather Cain, and his son Tubalcain: according to a TRADITION OF THE JEWS: it was after this manner; Cain being old, and blind, and weary, sat in a thicket among the trees to rest himself; when Lamech, who was blind also, and led by young Tubalcain hunting, who seeing Cain, and taking him for a wild beast, bid Lamech draw his bow, which he did, and killed him; but coming nearer, and finding it was Cain, was wroth and angry, and slew the young man: the ARABIC WRITERS, tell the story with a little variation, and Lamech being in the woods with one of his sons, and hearing a noise in it, supposing it to be a wild beast, cast a stone, which fell upon Cain, and killed him ignorantly; and the lad that led him said, what hast thou done? thou hast killed Cain! and coming to his wives, Adah and Zillah, said to them, hear my word, he that slew Abel shall be avenged sevenfold, but Lamech seventy times seven, who killed a man with a stone, and a young man by clapping of his hands. And Gills version: he was sorry for it, made confession of it; it was to the wounding and grief of his soul, which does not agree with the wicked race of Cain: the words may be rendered: "though I have slain a man, that is nothing to you, you are not accountable for it, nor have anything to fear coming upon you by reason of that; it is to my own wounding, damage, and hurt, if to any, and not to you [the murder of Abel should be avenged on them, this being the 7th generation in which it was to be avenged, Genesis 4:15]

Mishaels Opinion: I think TubalCain was "accidentally" killed. I first thought there was fist fight until I read this. All of the descendants of Cain died before the Flood.

The story of Cain is told by the Arabs he lived among, and by Jewish Historians. Hopefully these commentaries will end that discussion.

My apologies to you,

It is my understanding from Scripture that Adam & Eve & their progeny were the only people on the Earth. To believe that there was another creation of mankind, is not only not found in Scripture, but raises questions about the veracity of the revealed Word about this important matter of Creation & also of the transmission of sin, which is seen to only emanate from Adam & Even, to these other humans.

What you read in Genesis 4:13-15 particularly, doesn't give us a clear timeline to work with. Some could justify Cain's fears about being hunted down & killed because there were other human creations (aside from Adam & Eve) that would do this evil deed. But then, the question: how would those people know about Cain's murder of Abel so soon after the fact, unless his parents wanted to publish it in some manner? I doubt if Cain in his travels would volunteer the information.

I read the passage as something that could take place in the future, after Cain chose to leave the family home & settle in the land of Nod. Cain's cry that he would forever be a fugitive & classed as a vagabond bringing on his demise, may have been a matter that he foresaw in the future, whether real or imagined. Yet God placed 'a mark' upon him (we don't know how that worked), that secured his safety from others.

Hello brother Hugo,

I hope I'm not stepping on Mishael's feet but just felt to post, a couple things, on the conversation you were having. So as you say "provide evidence" Genesis 4:1 is all I can give you. As along with in Genesis 4:25 Adam "knew" his wife and bore a son. About how you state "fruit" means "sex", or how you perceive it, just does not fit for me. Clearly they are speaking of eating fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. That God told them not to eat lest they will surely die. What about when the "serpent" says to Eve "Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Then she replies to him about eating fruit of the garden just not of the "certain" tree. Genesis 3:1-3. I can't see mixing this up with Eve having intercourse with(if that's what you portray) the "serpent". And about saying the genealogy would be wrong if Cain was Eve's first is incorrect. It would be the same as genealogies go off the "children of". As Cain has his own genealogy.

I guess one other thing I can state is in the Book of Enoch. Enoch was taken, on a tour, and actually was shown the Tree of Knowledge in a garden. A tree with fruit. I know not a lot of people believe in the Book of Enoch but I find many things in it that connect directly to our Holy Bible.

Maybe this whole thing with the "serpent seed" is really just a way to say someone is still living a very sinful and godless lifestyle. Which I would just categorize someone who has not been saved by Jesus Christ yet or still stuck in the "world". And I believe the Lord can save anyone, even the most wretched person. Instead of saying someone is of "serpent seed" I'd rather just say they haven't been saved yet or are not with the Lord. The whole "serpent seed" story was made up by someone and can not be proven. Just as many other things cannot be proven.

I'll stop here. God Bless you Hugo. Please don't take this harshly.

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. ( Hebrews 11:4)

For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. ( 1 John 3:11-12)

We are not told why "God had respect unto Abel & his offering". It is generally assumed that Abel's offering came from the "firstlings of his flock" indicating a blood sacrifice & that Abel came with a humble responsive heart before God. However, Cain came with neither. But these can only be our guesses since blood sacrifice was not known at that time, but understood to be so, as it was the proper representation & substitute for human life.

If you lived at that time, or at least as one of the Israelites, then you would have to provide a pure animal as sacrifice for your sins - this wasn't an option - it was a life for a life (Leviticus chapter 1). But thanks be to God, He sent forth His Own Lamb to be our Sacrifice, who was the only One Who could be the one & only offering for sin. Any sacrifice offered after Christ's death, could only show disregard & disobedience to God's Love & Mercy to us.

As well, the animals that were sacrificed were not discarded - their remaining flesh became food for the Levitical priesthood.

I don't understand while God had respect to Abels offering and not Cains. I was raised on the farm and we would not offer our cow or our pigs for a offering. But we had vegetables. Unless Cain offered rotten vegs. Why kill innocent animals? We got milk from our cow also.

This is from a Commentary on Google. It shows the seriousness of perversion. In most cases it's a death sentence.

Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament:

Whoever cursed father or mother was to be punished with death ( Leviticus 19:3); "His blood would be upon him." The CURSING of parents was a capital crime (see at Leviticus 17:4, and for the plural Exodus 22:1 and Genesis 4:10), which was to return upon the doer of it, according to Genesis 9:6. The same punishment was to be inflicted upon ADULTERY ( Leviticus 20:10, cf. Leviticus 18:20), carnal intercourse with a father's wife ( Leviticus 20:11, cf. Leviticus 18:7-8) or with a daughter-in-law ( Leviticus 20:12, cf. Leviticus 18:17), SODOMY ( Leviticus 20:13, cf. Leviticus 18:22), sexual intercourse with a mother and her daughter, in which case the punishment was to be heightened by the burning of the criminals when put to death ( Leviticus 20:14, cf. Leviticus 18:17), lying (mating) with a beast ( Leviticus 20:15, Leviticus 20:16, cf. Leviticus 18:23), sexual intercourse with a half-sister ( Leviticus 20:17, cf. Leviticus 18:9 and Leviticus 18:11), and lying with a menstruous woman ( Leviticus 20:18, cf. Leviticus 18:19). The punishment of death, which was to be inflicted in all these cases upon both the criminals, and also upon the beast that had been abused ( Leviticus 20:15, Leviticus 20:16), was to be by stoning, according to Leviticus 20:2, Leviticus 20:27, and Deuteronomy 22:21.; and by the burning ( Leviticus 20:14) we are not to understand death by fire, or burning alive, but, as we may clearly see from Joshua 7:15 and Joshua 7:25, burning the corpse after death. This was also the case in Leviticus 21:9 and Genesis 38:24.

You can Google Book plus the scripture to read other Bible Commentaries.

Why do people NEED a choice on PRE, MID, or POST Tribulation RAPTURE!???

Everybody thinks they must makes choice about every Daffy Duck, bugs bunny or Wiley Coyote scenario?

Jesus is stressing that no one knows! He doesn't know! Only Father God knows and He is only willing to hint at SIGNS ALL OCCURING SIMULTANEOUSLY at the same moment in time.

THAT WOULD BE NOW!!

There's no first, second or 3rd class. That was many people selling books to be enriched by sales. Look at all those rapture books on Amazon! Which one do you buy into?

Doesn't it make sense to BUY into what Jesus Christ our Savior said about it??

Be Ready

Be Watching

Have Your Lamps filled with Holy Spirits Oil

Look Up

Watch and Pray that you may ESCAPE

He's coming as a thief in the Night: which means our society will be Spiritually Dark..like it is NOW.

Those kids that you love and would do anything for: need to get born again now!

We're going to know each other in heaven. Have a family meeting and pray the prayer together. Back on the opening page of this website is a LINK, "Become A Christian". It's enough to get the kids and others you love and will miss terribly (if they neglect so great a salvation)...saved!

Wearing crosses and Christian tee shirts will not get us into heaven. You have to be born again as written in John chapter 3. You can't be ashamed of carrying a Bible; reading it; saying "in Jesus Name, Satan get out of my life!!! We have to renew our minds on scripture so we can live cleaner and stop cursing and swearing. I know it's hard, but the Holy Spirit will help you. I got totally off drugs and alcohol in a week! That's a miracle. Let your faith shake heaven For everyone's deliverance. Throw out anything remotely like an idol.

Don't miss your chance to be ready NOW.

I am praying that God will bless us all and help us to get strength from each other, and the Holy Spirit who undertakes & undergirds you're strength and faith.

Mishael

Genesis 4:17 tells us Cain knew his wife and she bare Enoch. We can affirm by scripture that he married his wife.

Where might I find scripture explaining this question,

Who exactly did Cain marry?

(And please note that I asked for "scripture" and not opinion, with all due respect)

I've simply not been able to find it and am only just curious- not questioning the Bible. Thank you and be blessed

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