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Yes, An eternal soul in knowledge of a once known relationship with the Creator without light in eternal darkness without hope is hard to grasp. God in mercy as he clothed Adam and Eve in the hope of His Son who was at the beginning of Creation made a way of escape by the grace of Love.

Amen.

They died spiritually. Became like us; mortal. Adam lost the closeness that he had once. It's really tender how God made them clothing to take away their fig leaves. He covered them. God felt that pain of separation too. But looking way down through history, He saw His son dying and taking away the sins of mankind on his own body.

When we do sinful things: that pain we feel has to be taken to the Cross; so we can be restored.

Times in the past, I'd think, "well God has me covered, no big hurry to hit my knees."

But I learned by the silence from God, that I would do anything to restore the fellowship that bathed my soul in Light.

Darkness hurts.

Adam and Even didn't die? So, do you think they're still alive? Of course they died. They were immortal then after eating the fruit they became mortal and Adam died when he was 930 years old. The Bible didn't specify WHEN he would die, but he died just as God said. So, any assumption as to a timeframe is made up and not in the Bible, as the Bible never said it would be in 5 seconds, 5 minutes, hours, days, or even years. Even characters in the Bible themselves have endured huge patience in waiting on God like Abraham and Sarah. But God did exactly as he said. It just isn't necessarily within man's own arbitrary expectations of when they want things to happen.

In Genesis 2 God says not to eat from tree of knowledge or they would die. Later, when they do eat the fruit, they do not die. We know God is truth. So why did he say they would die?

The word Ethiopia is comprised of 2 words burnt and face so its meaning is "burnt faced" ie reddish-brown nothing derogatory about the name just the fact they were made from the reddish-brown dust of the earth.All of mankind are very beautiful if you look closely at each one and see the loving hand of our Heavenly Fathers in them.

What do you mean by burnt faces, people of color, because there are darl skin people in all of those countries. Just trying to understand were you going with this statement.

Facts:

1. Adam and Eve were immortal

2. They ate the forbidden fruit

3. They became immortal and died

Therefore what God said was true and what satan said was false.

The #1 problem is people assume a timeframe, but no timeframe is given nor implied. People tend to assume that someone dying will happen 'soon' within an arbitrary timeframe made up in their own mind, like within a couple seconds, or few minutes, or that day or the next few days. Then when what was stated doesn't match their arbitrary timeframe then they may draw conclusions from it. This is not the only part of the Bible where the assumption of a timeframe causes a conflict with people. Revelation 22:20 says Jesus will return soon. Has He? How soon is 'soon'? James 4:14 says your life is a vapour. If you live to be 100 years old are you still a 'vapour'? The answer is yes. God's perspective is very different than our perspective. Life is extremely short compared to eternity. Abraham and Sarah waited 25 years for the fulfillment of God's promise, so was God 'wrong' or was Abraham and Sarah wrong in their perspective and assumption of time? In all cases mankind is the one wrong in false assuming a timeframe when God makes a promise. Have a nice day!

Greg, That is the absolute best and most detailed explanation I have ever heard of the days of the death and resurrection of Christ. Never has anything been stated so clearly. Thank you. We should all commit this to memory. It is extremely valuable.

In Genesis 2:17 God tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they will surely die. They did not die. So, what are the possibilities?

1. They will be subject to death.

2. They will die Spiritually and be subject to Physical death.

3. God will not keep them alive forever.

Many argue that the reference is to an immediate Spiritual death and a subsequent physical death. Others, like St. Augustine and many of the Church Fathers, will say Adam and Eve were created subject to physical death anyway. But, as long as they obeyed God's commandments, they would not experience death and God would keep them alive forever.

Others insist Genesis must be interpreted literally and therefore, the meaning of Genesis 2:17 is they would die Spiritually and eventually die Physically. But if Genesis is to be taken literally, the passage has to be taken at face value. Dying can only mean Physical death. The verse doesn't say Spiritual death. It doesn't imply Spiritual death. And God never discussed Spiritual death. The passage, therefore, must be taken literally or allegorically. Which is it?

If it means physical, then it didn't happen and God was either wrong, or He meant something else. Could the same be said for other things in Genesis 1-3? How many things are there in Genesis 1-3 that can be taken allegorically, if any? Are there any metaphores? Similes? So, the verse is either literal or it is not.

The message of Genesis 1-3 is that God created everything. He created mankind. And Jesus was the object, the reason, the Purpose for Creation. God didn't create man so s/he could could be happy busy bees frolicking in the Garden. He created mankind and everything that exists, so Christ (God in the flesh) could enter creation to liberate it from sin, corruption and all manner of evil. And through the Death of Christ, to bring in Eternal Perfection, immortality, sinlessness.

Well developed arguments and comments are welcome.

Luke 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry

1 Peter 2:3

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded



15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Psalms 1:3

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Isaiah 61:3

"To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified."

Brian, first of all, there is only one earth. God created the earth with a Purpose and that Purpose is Christ ( Col 1:16). Everything happened here. With respect to the days of creation, St. Augustine and many of the Church Fathers questioned whether the 6 Days of Creation were literal 24 hour days. In Genesis 2:5-9, for example, tells us plants and trees took time to grow. God, we are also told, planted a garden in Eden. The implication is that planting, watering and cultivating a garden takes time. So the question is, do we do Scripture justice by insisting that God created everything in 6 literal days?

The Days of Genesis are probably more than likely periods time, phases of development, stages. This is not a new thought. What has confused many is the fear of accepting that the word 'Day' is not literal. Many Christians fear God will not be happy with them and think admitting it is tantamount to denying the infallibility of Scripture.

But take a peek at Hebrews 3-4. There Paul explicitly tells us that we are still in the 7th Day of God's Rest. And that Day will come to an end at the coming of Christ. So, if the 7th Day can be 6,000 years old, why can't the 1st Day be as long? Now, St. Augustine believed God created us imperfect (able to die, experience pain and suffer). We were supposed, he said, to work our way into Paradise. But when man disobeyed, he failed to perform the works that would lead him to Paradise.

What I want everyone to think about is that God created everything that exists, not for its own enjoyment or road to Paradise. God created for Christ to enter creation to eradicate, annihilate, destroy and put an end to corruption (physical, moral, spiritual), pain, suffering, evil, death and to establish eternal perfection in all things God creates. That is why God stopped creating on the 7th Day, to resume creating a new earth and universe, after His Purpose for this existence is accomplished in Christ, who is the Tree of Life.

Mishael,

ADAM was given the job of dressing and keeping a garden while trying to stay away from the tricks of Satan ( Genesis 2:7).

The animals Adam named was for husbandry purposes ( Genesis 2:18-20). Notice Adam did not name insects or fish because he did not need them to be a farmer.

MANKIND was given the job of having "DOMINION over all the earth" ( Genesis 1:26-28).

There is more peace in the home if the husband follows Christ; the wife should be able follow her husband's leadership if he does.

1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

1 Timothy 3:11

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it

Deuteronomy 17:17

Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away:

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Colossians Chapter 3

18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

James 4:7

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 Peter 3:1

Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be WON by the conversation of the wives;

COMMENTS:

1 Corinthians chapter 7 deals with Marriage.

Submission works both ways.

Shared household duties makes for more Romance.

Shared accounting duties enlightens partnership and goals. Read Proverbs for money advise.

Shared Parenting produces happier, balanced kids. Media is a privilege: not a 1st Amendment right.

Dear Brother,

Thank you so much for your painstaking moments to reply to my need. I am then sure our Yahusha rise from the grave some time during Sabbath, as He is Lord over the Sabbath.

Warm regards

Herman Dcouto

We know where Ethiopia is. Most of Africa and some parts of Asia was referred to as Ethiopia (people of burnt faces), Pison is the gold coast which includes most of west Africa (Ghana etc), and the other 2 rivers covers the Mesopotamia (Syria, Iraq etc). So Eden is a big place.

Dear Brothers and sisters, the truth is that Jesus died and arose from the dead on the third day. what is most important for man kind to know , understand and believe is that this act of love offered by God through Christ Jesus ensures salvation for all believers in Jesus Christ.

it is not the time and day of the week that saved mankind from destruction but the act of God through his son Jesus Christ.

Please refer to John 3:16-18.

Sincerely,

Leo.

Herman Dcouto,

Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.

Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)

Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)

Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)

Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.

Look at Matthew 12:40.

Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.

The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.

The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.

Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.

The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.

Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.

The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.

The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.

The Hebrew calendar used at the time of Jesus counted a full day from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight.

The Hebrew 24 hour period of time is broken up into two 12 hour segments. The first segment is from 6 pm until 6 am. The second segment is from 6 am until 6 pm.

The "third hour" of the day in Mark 15:25 when Christ was crucified is 9 am

The "ninth hour" when He gave up the ghost is 3 pm.

Dear Brothers

My specific question has not been addressed to. I am asking on which day of the week was Yahusha hung on the tree, and on what day of the week did He arise.

Please refer Mathew 12:40.

Very sincerely.

Herman

God gave man his main instructions, his symbol of authority, that is to manage the earth.

That's the way I heard it. I know people disagree about what day. Interesting, it was announced in the news this past week; that there is a movement calling for a WORLD CALENDAR.

That's going to mess with a lot of people.

I myself keep my focus on the fact that Jesus was tried and found guilty of blasphemy by the religious Pharisees and the Romans. He was scourged for it. Then later he was found guilty and ordered to be executed.

The Pharisees were so scared that Jesus might be resurrected (as He said he would) that the Pharisees asked Pilot to post Roman guards outside of Jesus's Tomb.

Somehow the guards got sleepy and took naps. They awoke to Mary Magdalene's shouting "He is Risen!".

The Roman guards are sorrowful to lose their prisoner (a corpse), and have to go tell Pilot.

It was a glorious Day for everybody! Better yet, People saw Jesus that day. That's how it got recorded into History. His Tomb is on display and it's EMPTY. Jesus was seen by over 500 people, in the days following.

His disciples saw Jesus as He ascended to Heaven.

Days don't really matter. What matters is that it all happened the way it has been recorded by Historians of that time in history = (His Story)

Dear Brothers & Sisters

Please expound on this scripture and tell me if Yahusha rose on the Sabbath or Sunday. Refer Mathew 12:40 if you agree on this then on what day was He hung on the Cross. On what day was He crucified?

regards

Herman

Thank you for your comments, "Seventh day is sabbath". I always maintain that if the foundation is not settled, then anything built thereon will be shaky. So, referring to your first comment: "The Sabbath was given to man Mark 2:27 at creation Genesis 2:2-3 it's not a day that God required just for the Israelite's to keep, which is why the 4th commandment starts with "remember" it is because the children of Israel had forgotten through hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt."

It seems that your understanding of those Scriptures in Genesis & Mark applied not only to Israel but to all mankind, or more specifically to the 'other sheep' that were to come into Christ's fold. To this I disagree, for the following reasons:

a. Exodus 31:13-17 & Ezek 20:12. Clear references as to who should keep the Sabbath & that it was given as not only a day of ceasing from all labours, but as importantly, a sign of the relationship between God & Israel. It was never intended to include Gentiles or the Church in such a requirement.

b. Galatians 3:19. Shows that both the validity & finality of the Law (the whole Law) was fully realized at the death of Jesus Christ.

c. Matthew 5:17. Jesus demonstrated that He alone could fulfil the whole requirements of the Law & none else. The Law was given because of "transgressions" but none could obey it fully to please God & satisfy its demands, since "if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law" ( Gal 3:21). So no Law could bring righteousness, even as a certain ruler learned ( Lk 18:18-24). If he believed he obeyed all of God's Law, how did Jesus pick him up on that point of selling all & following him? That man just had a quick lesson to find out that he in fact didn't obey it perfectly: he broke the very first commandment by placing his wealth, & maybe family & other assets, before his love for God.

How then can we rest on the Law for anything except to know God's Mind & Purposes?

Chris:

a. The Sabbath was given to man Mark 2:27 at creation Genesis 2:2-3 it's not a day that God required just for the Israelite's to keep, which is why the 4th commandment starts with "remember" it is because the children of Israel had forgotten through hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt.

b. Jesus came to this world not to destroy the law and the prophets Matt. 5:17, The law (10 commandments) says to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

The breaking of bread in Acts 20:7 is referring to eating (food) (see Acts 20:11)

1 Cor. 16:2 the "first day of the week" Paul is referring to putting aside your offerings (collection for the saints) starting on the first day of the week (Sunday) (see 1 Cor.16:1)

Revelation 1:10 John was in vision on the sabbath (Lord's day is the sabbath, For the son of man is Lord, even of the sabbath day. (see Matthew 12:8)

c. What was nailed to the cross was the "ceremonial laws" not the 10 commandments. In (Matt.27:51) the veil of the temple was rent in two when Jesus died on the cross, the ceremonial laws that God had required since sin came into the world (sacrificing animals ect) was no longer needed because the ultimate sacrifice had just been made and that was the shedding of blood of a sinless Jesus on the cross.

Matthew 5:18 One jot or one tittle shall not wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Rev. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter into the gates of the city.

Sorry for that mistake.

Genesis 2:16

"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:"

Genesis 2:17

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

If you are confused, sometimes you just need to read on and you will see and your confusion will go away. Some times the bible is kind of like a movie that has flashbacks.

You can search and find all these rivers and all the lands they are in. Try bible maps. I could tell you but it will be more fun for you and help you by doing it yourselves.

In Genesis 2:16,17.

Hi John,

Happy to offer my opinion.

1. Genesis 2:17. Adam did die. Death and aging didn't happen before that. So, Adam was instantly separated from God spiritually (spiritual death), and began a slow process of physical death from that point on via aging. And if God killed him instantly, you'd probably have people criticizing that too and making negative claims and assumptions about that, so he allowed Adam (and people in general) to have a long life.

"for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." - sounds like you're interpreting this as thou shalt surely die 'that day', but it doesn't say that. It says in 'the day' that he eats it ... this will happen (death), but it didn't say how soon the death part would occur. It seems to mean spiritual death + death through aging.

2. Genesis 7:4 - "every living substance". The Bible already explained this. Just like in writing class you often write a general thesis at the beginning then later explain more specifically what it means this is what's done here. It doesn't mean it's inaccurate. Simply keep reading. Gen 7:21-23 it specifically says "And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:"

22 says each with nostrils, 23 gives examples which are land animals. It says substance, but appears to mean animals.

The other possibility is that the olive tree was dead and came back to live when the waters receded, but I don't think so, because it would have explained that when it was specific in verses 21-23.

ANY ANSWERS???

God said Adam would die "in that day" Genesis 2:17 that he partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but he lived until 930 years old.

God said that the flood of Noah's time would destroy "every living substance" ( Genesis 7:4, Genesis 7:23) from the face of the earth," yet the dove sent by Noah plucked an olive leaf from an olive tree after the flood. A tree is a living substance.

If these phrases are taken at face value, would there not be a discrepancy in the Word of God?

compare and explain in which countries at present belongs to the rivers mention in genesis 2: 10 to 14.