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Sarah Chessiy

Good evening, In respond to your email, I live in California. Thank you for your response. Will stay in touch if I have any more questions.

Donna

When we use 1 Timothy 1:12 as the authority for women to be in silence, it is in respect to the order & discipline within the Church of Jesus Christ. Just as in the matter of head covering ( 1 Corinthians 11:3-16), the Church directive has always followed the order of: God - Jesus Christ - Man - Woman. There is no disregard or humiliation given to the woman - it's just the Divine order prescribed for the Church.

You quote Deborah, the judge & prophetess. She was so equipped & called by God to serve. But could she minister in the Tabernacle or its environs? And we could say the same for the other women mentioned, so called of God. Or the Elect Lady or those women at the Tomb: none of these were teachers - we would have to force that meaning into those passages.

So whether concerning the Jewish Temple, Synagogue, or even the Church, the order has always been the same, with the Church given greater latitude, allowing women to minister to children & youth & engage in other services in the Church. Even if I read right up to The Revelation, I don't see any change to this Divine Pattern. How then is God's Word misconstrued or taken out of context? When human sentiment enters into Divine instruction, it is then we fall into error, which then is very often compounded.

Hi Donna, I would have only one question, is the word of God being taught? we went through this exact situation a number of years ago in our church, some left on so called principle but most stayed, at the end of the day we survived.

I'm fully aware of what it says in 1 Corinthians, but, as in Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." this would be more of my view of what the word church really means as opposed to the physical building used for worship. I don't read any version of the bible other than KJV, but as per others that are much more learned than myself, the KJV is more accurate. Like in our church, I'm sure the fellowship in your church would be like family, Just a question, would bible study as a group work. Throughout the bible you find that there are a number of women who influenced their fellow man proclaiming Jesus ministry, I've listed just a few.

I do hope this may help

John 4:25-29 Because of the Samaritan woman at the well, many came to believe,

Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:"

Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"

Acts 9:36-42 40 "But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up."

I believe the word is alive in all of us and the word is written in our hearts and minds so we dont need to preach just read his book and pray for the holy spirit to open our eyes. To give Christ complete control and meerly be a vessel a mouthpiece. Lambs are lions and Christ is coming in a flame of fire hes not here to forgive to just grab a few believers before its over this is the third wave and they still dont believe. I pray for seniors whos children are like vultures I pray for mothers to escape from the beast and clutches of man. I pray that there be virgin brides for christ male and female

I believe that the Lord has given everyone of his children spiritual gifts some prophesy not all. Gifts of healing goodness so many gifts. The most important thing Jesus gave us is Love and peace. Helping not judging your neighbor holding your tongue and being quiet so the word of God is revealed. For the first time when I read the word of God it is alive and speaks to me. It is a living breathing word and family is at the centre. We need to role model kindness love and make gardens laugh enjoy our children teach them practical things. Stop worrying fearing for our children and the world and enjoy heaven on earth it is a blessing. Stop telling kids no and ask them what they think. Stop getting children to compete to be the best. Get them to live as a team as we should. Love peace non judgement and acceptance forgiveness. Hebrews is run by faith trust one another dont believe satans lies. Pray for Canada our government our first people pray that reparation will be accomplished so there can be healing. The government stole theyre land and their children to feed the catholic church who raped children and made quebec rich where there is a huge pedophile ring and children are taken because they cant speak french children are blinded and sold into sex trafficking pray for the children . The beatudes and Corinthians and revelations is almost fulfilled We must close are borders and return prayer and values to school. Time for children to destress in classrooms to meditate and pray or draw or think take the pressure off our children. I pray that ADHD will be seen as a label used by teachers drs etc to distribute amphetamines and get kids hooked on speed. I pray for all pregnant mothers that they deliver healthy babies news flash my mom smoked when i was pregnant and drank alcohol and smoked weed and I am fine Stop judging look in the mirror Christ loved Mary Magdalene. Christ loved a murderer and a thief. Stop profitting off of others misery and laughing

Hi Donna. Debra was a judge in Israel. The church was not called out. There is no mention of the Lady elect in 2 John being a preacher.

And the 2 woman at the tomb, The church still haven't started and that was not preaching,

1 Timothy 2:12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. The church is a gathering, a people called out. I think the emphasis here is when gathered ""men and women"" she is to be silent, meaning not to give input to teach. However I believe she can teach other or younger women.

Titus 2:3-5. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? And please don't take that as a sign of disrespect. I do know a woman in a marriage is supposed to model the bride of Christ. Maybe someone can elaborate on it a bit more. Thank you

What state do you live in Donna? I'm glad I could help! If you have any more questions about the Bible or anything else, please comment on here, and I will answer any questions of yours!

Blessings,

Sarah Chessiy

No doubt Romans is life changing , and yet understanding the power which enables us to uphold the passages is most important... Charity, without it we have nothing.

What is Charity,, its the love of God manifested in our mortal bodies just like it was in Jesus , its the willingness to lay aside every thing for the sake of the Gospel and Jesus , Every thing we have acquired from above must be given back , it must be laid before the alter with thanksgiving ( ITS ALL ABOUT HIM )

Greetings, Cecil,

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Mat 24:36

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."Mar 13:32

We know that Jesus is God in the flesh, The Second Person of The Trinity. Jesus was fully human and fully divine. Yet he hid parts of His deity, in order to live as a man. He chose to not know. Rather He humbled Himself and became obedience unto death, even the death on the cross.

Hope this helps.

Matthew Chapter 24 and Mark 13, explains this very well.

Matthew 24:1-51 and Mark 13:4-37

Matthew 24:38-41 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mark 13:6 "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Thank you so much. Our previous pastor who has passed away taught us women are not allowed to preach and i read it in 1Corinthians. Thank you for sharing this with me!!

Good afternoon,

I just happened to stumble in this area of the website and read the comments about the Bible and women preachers. Let me encourage you there are women preachers in the Word of God. You have Deborah the prophetess in the Old Testament who was one of the Judges ( Judges 4:4-5), the Lady Elect in the New Testament (2 John) and then you have the women who was sent not only by the angel sitting at Jesus' tomb to proclaim He had risen to His disciples, but on the way, they met Jesus who greeted them and instructed them to tell his brethren to go to Galilee to see Him there. They were the first to see and proclaim Jesus was alive and rose from the dead.

Sometimes the Word of God can be misconstrued and taken out of context. This is why we have to pray and study God's word ourselves (ref. 2 Timothy 2:15) along with being taught by our leader.

I also believe King James Version is the best version to read. If you have a hard time understanding ask God to open your understanding to His truth. I also recommend keeping a commentary next to you as you read the Word of God. Matthew Henry is a good commentary to read.

I pray this information has helped you.

Does Jesus know wean He is coming back?

Donna,

I suggest to find a different church to go to. The NIV version is never accurate, and what you read in the NIV won't ever be true. The NIV is called New International Version. The KJV version is the only one that will EVER be true. God wrote the Bible thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago. Hundreds and hundreds of years later, people have tried to change what the Bible says. Neither God or the Bible will change. So I suggest finding and going to a different church. I have a suggestion of what church you should go to, but first, what state are you in?

Blessings,

Sarah Chessiy

Donna Vargas,

"we are without a preacher right now and they are cinsidering an interm"

The "we" and "they" have to talk things through. Never forget Christ himself is the spiritual head of any church, and he dwells in the heart and head of every believer. Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

That is what I thought however we do not have a pastor at this time and the church is considering an interim pastor but is a woman. We are Baptist, church is Baptist but reads out of the NIV. We are a very small church and most of us are over 70. What do you suggest. They don't seem to be having a problem with a woman preaching. Thank you for taking time for me.

Donna

That's what I thought but we are without a preacher right now and they are cinsidering sn interm and she it's a woman. We are a Baptist church and they use a NIV

Donna,

To answer your question, women should not preach in church. But in other religious churches that believe God is not real or Jesus is still dead, those kind of churches probably, more than likely will allow or want women to preach. But in churches that believe in the KJV Bible, they do not believe that women should preach. A couple or few may allow women to preach, but pretty much all churches believing in the KJV version do not allow or want or even let women preach. Does that answer your question?

Blessings,

Sarah Chessiy

Is it true that a woman should not preach in church

Sandra,

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4

Which law spells out forgiveness? Had I a choice to only break one of the ten in my lifetime, no matter which I choose, forgiveness isn't there. Righteousness by the law was fulfilled by only one person, the Lord Jesus. That righteousness is what is imputed to those who believe, therefore, those who believe are under no obligation to do, what only Jesus did. However, once the love of God is received it shows in the life of a believer, perhaps not always perfectly, but it grows in their earthly lifetime.

It is the pride of the flesh to think that before the law a person lacks nothing. Matthew 19:30

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24

"To demonstrate our love for God and His Son, Jesus Christ, is to conduct our lives in harmony with the Ten Commandments." It is pride that attaches eternal life to the letter of the law. "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." 1John 1:17 The law is in the sphere of the work of the Holy Spirit, John 16:8, "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment". Believers testify of Christ's, grace and truth. I have no doubt the Holy Spirit within a believer will not lead them to violate any of the ten commandments, because the righteousness of Christ exceeds the letter of the law.

Sandra, Are all your sins forgiven?

Verse 28-the privilege or ruling with Christ Jesus in heaven is open to both men and women.

Sandra, I do agree with what you've said about the 'law of commandments contained in ordinances', that the reference here is not to the Ten Commandments but to those other laws pertaining to sacrifices, new moons, sabbaths, etc., but not just these only, but all the Law was fully met by Jesus & then abrogated at the Cross.

"The Law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good", but its usefulness, effectiveness & applicability became redundant at the Cross. For sin, taking its authority from the commandment, 'slew' Paul, because that was all the Law could do. What Paul hoped that the Law would give him life, instead only brought him death. So he said that "with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Was Paul saying that he was still going back to God's Laws, obeying in them in his mind & allowing his flesh to sin? No. In the very next verses he says in Romans 8:1-4: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." The Law of sin & death (the Ten Commandments & not just the Law contained in Ordinances, but the whole) which slew him, he now rejected, but rather a new Law of the Spirit had taken its place & brought him freedom & power to fulfil the righteousness of the Law.

And Galatians 3:19, as you quoted, doesn't refer to the Ordinances but to the Law - indeed that whole Chapter 3 is devoted to pointing the believers from depending on the 'works of the Law' to the application of faith through the Spirit.

Some churches preach to this day that Jesus abolished the Ten Commandments when He died on the cross. They proclaim this assumption by using Ephesians 2:15 as their basis of evidence, which says. "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;..." The obvious truth here is, that the verse states that it was the Commandments contained in ORDINANCES that was abolished at the cross. Not the Ten Commandments contained in stone. The passage in Colossians 2:14-17 has also been used to preach the Commandments abolished. But if you read it you will find it was, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances", again that is mentioned in that passage. According to the Word of God, these ordinances were "added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made" ( Galatians 3:19) It's rather clear to see here that the "commandments contained in ordinances" were added by Moses for a specific reason. If we read the passage again we see it also states these ordinances were only added TILL the seed should come. And who was this seed according to Scripture? Galatians 3:16 boldly proclaims, "thy seed, which is Christ."

The commandments contained in ordinances were added by Moses thousands of years ago as a way to prepare the people for the FIRST arrival of Messiah. They showed their faith in the coming Messiah by keeping the ordinances on a regular basis. When Jesus died on the cross, the ordinances were no longer needed because he fulfilled them by all He did while visiting us as Messiah. The "ordinances" were a series holy days, new moons, and Sabbath days that were to be considered a "shadow of things to come." The word "ordinance" is NOT the same as the word "commandment." where in the Ten Commandments does it speak of "meat and drink?" Nowhere do we find such statements in the Law of God.

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Fred, I think you may be referring to my earlier comments to the enquirer about why Paul wrote to the Galatians. If not, & your comments here are of a general nature & not directed to me, I apologize.

But if could write a few things to what you've written. It's probably good to stay with Galatians, since Paul is quite thorough in his teaching of the Law vs Grace. And this was so, as you noted, that the Church(es) there were being infiltrated by these proponents of the necessity of keeping the Law in all its forms coupled with embracing the freedom that the believer has in Christ.

Firstly, the Law can never complement the Gospel of Grace - they are opposed to each other in both meaning & application. If searching hard for a connection, it would have to be that both are from the same Author: given at different times & for different outcomes. The Law by its very nature & objective was given because "of transgressions till the Seed should come" (3:19). The Law was given to Israel so that they might know God's requirements for them, to be made aware of the nature & effects of sin ( Romans 7:9) & the compulsion to deal with it with sacrifices which diverted God's Anger & Judgement upon them. This was a continual offering because sin was a continual burden to the soul. The sacrifices & odours were acceptable to God in view of the One great & perfect Offering made & given by God that would be offered once & for all people ( Hebrews 10:10,12,14).

Secondly, Paul's dealing with the Judaizers was very stern, because any fusing of the old Jewish Law with the New Covenant through Jesus would never work. Paul even appealed to Abraham ( Galatians 3:6-18) to show that God accepted him for his faith, & the blessings to the (gentile) nations could only come based on that faith alone. If what we inherit came by obedience to the Law, then it would no longer be "by promise", as what was assured to Abraham.

Unfortunately, Men have allowed their flesh instead of the Holy Spirit to Reveal to them what Paul is saying. God didn't say Wonen couldn't be Pastor's or Speak in the "Church" Paul wS speaking to the Church if Corinth and Timothy was speaking to the Jews that had allowed the women to usurp authority due to their carnal behavior! Through out the OT/NT God has used Women and then Galatians 3:28 is very Clear that God is okay with Women Pastor's, The Samaritan woman and Jesus interaction at the Well open the door for the 20th and 21st century to finally allow Wonen to Walk in the 5 fold Ministry today! God gave that permission not Paul. Paul was chastising the "Church" because the women there, was out of control. That's why the Disciples didn't question Him/Jesus! Deborah, Esther, Phoebe and many other Women are recognized in Scripture. Mariam was a Prophetess! Don't be deceived by the enemy, that God barred the Women from Pastoring God's flock and Winning Souls for the Kingdom of God. Roman's 10:12, Colossians 3:11...Amen

1 Timothy 2:11-13: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve."

The Scripture actually is Paul speaking to Timothy about his ministerial responsibilities & not Timothy speaking to the Jews. This is nevertheless a clear directive based on the order of creation: even though Adam & Eve were created equal in every respect, yet God chose the order of creation, that Adam (man) be created first under God & then Eve, under man. In society, this order can have some bearing, but in the Church, that order must be followed: that man has been given the authority to lead God's people & to teach them accordingly. Women have not that privilege, but have doubtless played vital roles in the Church (as you have shown) & as helpers to Paul & Timothy & others.

Your reference to Galatians 3:28, Romans 10:12 & Colossians 3:11, are indications of a woman's equality to men & particularly as those 'in Christ'. They have nothing to do with the order within Christ's Church. Any evidence of a woman usurping that position, is contrary to God's order & requirement. It was never seen in the NT Church nor evidence in the Church subsequent. This is new phenomenon: from about the 1900s this came to be evident (I may be corrected on this date), as the emancipation movement of women grew & with the advent of the world wars, there were fewer men to lead the Church. But this was never from biblical design & ought to have been corrected but unfortunately has increasingly become the norm in some Churches & it has been accepted with disregard to Divine instruction. And lest you think that I have something against women as leaders, I do not. In many instances (both secular & religious), women actually do a better job than men, but that doesn't give permission to re-interpret God's Word.

Unfortunately, Men have allowed their flesh instead of the Holy Spirit to Reveal to them what Paul is saying. God didn't say Wonen couldn't be Pastor's or Speak in the "Church" Paul wS speaking to the Church if Corinth and Timothy was speaking to the Jews that had allowed the women to usurp authority due to their carnal behavior! Through out the OT/NT God has used Women and then Galatians 3:28 is very Clear that God is okay with Women Pastor's, The Samaritan woman and Jesus interaction at the Well open the door for the 20th and 21st century to finally allow Wonen to Walk in the 5 fold Ministry today! God gave that permission not Paul. Paul was chastising the "Church" because the women there, was out of control. That's why the Disciples didn't question Him/Jesus! Deborah, Esther, Phoebe and many other Women are recognized in Scripture. Mariam was a Prophetess! Don't be deceived by the enemy, that God barred the Women from Pastoring God's flock and Winning Souls for the Kingdom of God. Roman's 10:12, Colossians 3:11...Amen

Hi John.. Galatians 3:28 (KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Hi Lou, I grew up protestant so I'm not too familiar with RC tradition of communion or if there is a difference, but for me as I'm walking up for communion (pre covid) I look at the cross and say a little prayer of thanks to Jesus and for his sacrifice on the cross for my salvation. The actual act of going up and accepting the bread and wine in communion, is merely a public acknowledgement that you believe (faith) in the salvation of the cross and all that it stands for. As in Luke chapter 22 Jesus states that as you eat the bread or drink the wine that you do this in remembrance of Him. I also think that you answered your own question in that by grace through faith and prayer, we do seek forgiveness with God the Father through Christ Jesus. Throughout the NT some of Jesus and his apostles main teachings are faith (believe), forgiveness, mercy, compassion and so on. I hope this helps.

Hebrews chapter 11 Paul explains faith, John 3:16,

Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."