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The old person is replaced by the new sin have now no dominion over your life because of what CHRIST did at the cross of calvary

My sinful life must be dead thru Christ to find TRUE life. We must be born again...ask for forgiveness(and mean it) and actively turn away from future sin. We must do all this having the faith that God is living in us and helping us.

I died when Jesus was Killed/Gave himself for me. Nevertheless,when He(Jesus)rose I also rose to live a new life.Living in faith not by old traditions,rituals,and religion.Yet by believing,trusting,Living,and walking in the power of the Blood of the Lamb. Amen BE BLESSED Arran De
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Just as in the Apostle Pauls day we still have those who come into the local churches as ministers of Satan ( 2 Corinthians 11) to spy out our liberty that we have in Christ Jesus in order to bring us into bondage through various ways. Some of these false ministers of satan will promote racial hatred in the pulpet when God would have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. As well as even promote the occult in the pulpet by making jokes about genies in bottles , etc. As well as promote various heresies onto believers. Such as lead people into fleshly lusts with puppet shows while speaking of lusting on others wives, etc. Then some of them will make the local church into a circus atmosphere with zoo animals to all things in between brought into the church. Then some of them will leave out repentance altogether in salvation , which it takes repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Sincerely ;

Its all Christ and for Christ

The law is a school master given with the intent to be used until Christ, the seed of Abraham came. The law helps us to see our fallibility and therefore our need for a saviour. Breaking any of it which is inevitable brings condemnation. When Jesus came we had an option,between him and law. Jesus has fulfilled the law so that any one who accepts Jesus will be justified by Jesus and not by the law.

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It is a great scripture that Paul was describing his experience of conversion by removing the old Adam, natural body, which is the source of sin was crucified by punting on Christ, as it was stated in Galatians 3:20. So this means the life he live in in flesh in only by faith that he has in the son of God. It is powerful. for in other part also he mentioned he is dead and his life was hidden in Christ.Blessings!

Thank you for the salvation oh God, the greatest gift I owe.

Jesus did it all folks. TRUST our LORD, not yourselves. Only one way to be righteous.Go to JESUS CHRIST and be saved. He did what we could not.>>> Here we see 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. >>>Ready for some Peace? This verse above says if you are sinning you are STILL under LAW.(easy math) If you can commit one at all it's only because you've transgressed the law. And that's due to the laws defining the sin committed told you it was one.( Romans 3:20) Which ALSO means you have not gotten saved YET ( or even tried to be!). The "Good" news for the saved? READ IT.>>> Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are NOT under the law, but under GRACE.>>> Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets>>>> Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness>>>Romans10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. I HIGHLY suggest you read this, those attempting to be righteous without being saved, for you cannot do so: Galatians 2:16 and Galatians 3 (whole chapter). DO not be a foolish Galatian either and act like Gods gift was not enough. It was everything, for ALL fell short. Go Praise the LORD and rejoice! You are safe with Jesus!

this verse teaches that if you add any thing to the grace of God,it makes void the gift,it nullifies the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8,9 Titus 3:5 John 1:12 Acts 15:11. Shortly before Jesus died he made it very clear the repented thief could do nothing but except the gift of God, he confessed he was a sinner and put his faith in Christ,salvation by Grace plus nothing else.

Thank You Lord for thought of me above all.

Hi. As I read the different versions and renderings of Gal. 2:20, I am struck by the differences in one little word. Here is the difference I see: "...I live by faith IN the Son..." denoting it is MY FAITH IN HIM, or, it is by HIS faith-NOT and my faith by which I live. I hope I did a good job explaining myself. If not, I will try again.

Galatians Chapter 2:11-14. In these verses it shows Paul's boldness and Peter's humility. Here we have Peter who was one of the twelve apostles and had been given the "keys of the kingdom." Then we have Paul who was relatively new to the faith. Peter let fear of what others may think of him keep him from doing what he knew was right. Paul recognized this and boldly reproved Peter. Peter could have taken offense, but he humbly responded to the counsel Paul gave because he knew it was what he needed. We can imitate Peter today by being mature enough when we receive counsel to look past the person giving the counsel, or even how the counsel was given, and to focus on the counsel itself. We need to seriously ask ourselves was this counsel needed and then we need to make any necessary adjustments like Peter did.

I completetly abadoned the old ways at the cross and now i champion the course of christ.

We must be careful and let the Bible interpet itself Paul stated that the law is the knowlegde of sin Rom 3:20 and also in verse 31 he said establish the law. the bibles difinition for sin according to 1John 3:4 is that sin is the transgession of the law Yahsuah came to redeem humankind back to the Father Yahsuah himself said to gain enternal life you must keep the commandments Matt 19:16-17 understand we are saved by grace and not by works read the text this whole subject matter is regarding cir***cision the works of the law that Paul is refering to his the acts of the cutting of the foreflesh which was a ordinance that was nailed to the tree so that the gentiles could become fellow citizen concerning the promises of Abraham this text has nothing to do with abolishing the law the Messiah came to fufill the law not to destroy the law or the prophets Matt 5:17 his blood fufilled the works of the law as far as blood of animals and he fufilled any works of the law as for as sacrifices were concerned and now the holy spirit helps us to obey Gods laws the blood covers ours past sins Rom 3:25 you are not under the penlenty of the law if you are not breaking it remember the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Yahsuah our sacrifice Rom 6:23

@R. D. Mattock,
In the Old Testament we have the Covenant of Law. In the New Testament we have the Covenant of Grace. The Covenant of Grace is far better than the Law. Some hearing this may be thinking, you’re teaching that we Christians are not supposed to keep the Law. We are not under the Law, but yes we do keep it. As a Christians, I don’t break the Law. I walk after the Spirit and according to Paul, those who walk after the Spirit fulfil the Law ( Romans 8:1). If you think the 10 Commandments are so important, name them. We usually can’t, we might get a few, but very seldom all of them, and almost never in order. The Ten Commandments are not all of the Jewish law. There are 615 separate commandments contained in those five books. To keep 614 of those is not enough. So anyone who thinks he can attain righteousness by keeping the Law has his work cut out for him. Get to work and start memorizing all 615. I'll stay with what John says, if we walk in the light as he is the light the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. I came out of one of those churches where men sit on one side of the church and the women sat on the other side. Could not ware make up, had to cover your head, and the Pastor decide who you could or could not marry. No I choose Grace, if it be of grace, it cannot be of works, if it be of works it cannot be of grace.

On verse 16, It breaks my heart when I hear people repeat like “broken records”, texts or ideas from the Bible without making the slightest effort to understand what the author is saying. The myopic approach to certain issues of the Holy Writ is dangerous and can lead to destruction. Now, I realize that most of them are sincere and they mean well; however they are still mislead. Here is the case in point: In the letter (all six chapters = one letter) to the churches in Galatia, Apostle Paul is dealing with the controversial issue of circumcision. Methodically, he is explaining to the new believers why they don’t need to be circumcised in order to be saved. In verse 16 he declares: “KNOWING THAT A MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, EVEN WE HAVE BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST, AND NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.” This is a true and very important statement: Salvation is God’s gift to anyone who accepts it. It is free and based on Christ’s sacrifice and merits only. So, what does that statement mean? First, it means that no matter how strict or faithful toward keeping any law, IT WILL NOT get you into the Kingdom of God. Secondly, within the context of Paul’s letter, it means that circumcision (in the flesh), which was part of the “Ceremonial Law” (fulfilled by Christ, and no longer required to be observed), is not a prerequisite to be saved, nor to become part of “the chosen people” or spiritual Israel. Galatians 3, states: “26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 AND IF YE BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YE ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.” Thirdly, and just as important, that statement does not give us a free pass to sin, just because Christ died, and we are under GRACE. In other words: We have no right to trample the Moral Law or “the Ten Commandments” under our feet, under the pretext that we don’t want to be “under the curse of the Law”. Most Christians have no problem admitting that keeping at least nine of the Ten, it is OK… So they say: “not stealing from me it’s desirable, you should keep that commandment; and no, I wouldn’t want you to fool-around with my wife: that seventh commandment it’s very important!” Or, “Do you want to kill me? Oh no, that’s breaking the sixth one: don’t even think of that!” And so on, with commandment number 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. So far you are safe: if you keep just those nine you are not under “the curse of the Law”! But the moment you mention the fourth commandment they cry: “LEGALISM”, down with that Jewish Sabbath! You are under the curse… So they take away the only commandment that says “Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy” and tell everyone to “Forget it!” or they say: “Oh no, we keep Sunday (the Day of the Sun) instead!” So, why do we need to keep the Ten Commandments? No, we don’t keep them in order to be saved, but rather, because we are saved. We do it out of respect for God, not to score “salvation points”. And every time we break one of them, we repent and ask God’s forgiveness, and, as Jesus bids us, we “go and sin no more”. But even if we do, as often as it happens, we go again through the same exercise: repent and ask God’s forgiveness “until seventy times seven” if needed ( Matthew 18:22), and “…He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” 1 John 1:9, until we are victorious over that sin. THIS IS GRACE: No condemnation (as the Law requires) but unmerited forgiveness! The Law is not abolished, but it facilitates GRACE. And so, we grow and mature as followers of Christ. But, if there is no Law, then there is no need for forgiveness, no need for repentance, no need for grace, and ultimately no need of Christ… Suppose now, just suppose that Apostle Paul is teaching here that we don’t need to keep The Commandments, any of them: Would you listen to him or to Jesus?! Here is what Jesus, our Savior is asking you and me: “IF YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”, John 14:15. But no, Apostle Paul would not dare to contradict his Savior and Master… as he had in the past. Not convinced yet? Here is another message from Jesus: “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called THE LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven” Matthew 5:19. Yes, they’ll be called “the least” but they won’t be found within. Choose eternal life today: and be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven!

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. By Grace we are saved, through faith, NOT OF WORKS least any man boast. There are churches out there that will try to put you back under the law. Legalism. Leave them. The law was our school master, in that it pointed to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Man realizing that he was unable to keep the law needs a savior. It is amazing grace, saving grace, how sweet the sound that saved a wrench like me. How come if works cannot save us, do we let bad works unsave us?

I feel that the Apostle Peter is getting a bad rap; and that’s not fair! While I appreciate Paul and his writings and recognize him as a great teacher and prophet, I cannot help but notice that even after his conversion, God “was not finished” with him. He appears to be both, boastful (in chapter 1), and angry. Maybe, that’s what they call “righteous indignation”? The transition from Old Testament to New Testament after Christ’s ascension was a work in progress: it did not happen overnight, but lasted quite a few years. As the Holy Spirit instructed the apostles, they, in turn presented the revelations to the believers, either orally or in the written form, “growing in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” ( 2 Peter 3:18). Not all apostles were “enlightened” of the same subject, or at the same time. So, we have “gaps” in time and teachings. And in the case of “circumcision” issue, (which Paul is dealing with in Galatians), the apostles had to have a “congress” at Jerusalem in order to decide what to do, as shows Acts 15. Even Paul’s speech was a work in progress… The language used in Galatians 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that, which we have preached unto you, LET HIM BE ACCURSED,” and Galatians 2:12 “I would they were EVEN CUT OFF which trouble you”, leaves something to be desired. Jesus says in Luke 6: “Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you”, verse 28 “BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU, and pray for them which despitefully use you”. Even Apostle Paul agrees with that in Romans 12:14: “Bless them which persecute you: bless, and CURSE NOT.” His statements about “James, Cephas (Peter), and John, WHO SEEMED to be pillars” in the church ( Galatians 2:9), borders on arrogance. I feel like telling him: “Paul, get a life; THEY WERE THE PILLARS OF THE CHURCH while you were persecuting it!” True, they were simple fishermen, not trained at the feet of Gamaliel like you, but they had spent three and a half years at the feet of Jesus: The Greatest Teacher of all times. And, not only that, on the Day of Pentecost they received the power of the Holy Spirit: to preach, to teach and heal. Yes, Paul was a great apostle, but Apostle John was a giant: he was not only trained by Jesus and wrote the Gospel and the Epistles that bear his name, but he received countless visions from Him and wrote the Book of Revelation. And Apostle Peter, he was entrusted with “taking care of His sheep” by Jesus Himself. Also, Paul’s boldness expressed towards Apostle Peter, was uncalled for: “But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed” ( Galatians 2:11). Basically he was blaming Peter for the troubles in Galatia. Too bad Peter had no chance to defend himself. I’m wondering how much did Paul’s criticism of Peter, help those churches… But what really takes the cake, is his advice (good advice though) in Galatians 5:13 “For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.’ 15 But IF YE BITE AND DEVOUR ONE ANOTHER, take heed that ye are not consumed one of another.” Sometimes it’s good to take seriously our own advice...

If you want to understand what Paul is saying in this letter, you can’t read just one chapter and expect to fairly evaluate the whole Book. Please read all six chapters; they make up the whole letter, intended to be read by the congregation in Galatia. By doing that, you will find the following:
1. In the first chapter, Paul is presenting his credentials, and describes what the problem was, without “spelling it out”;
2. Beginning with the second chapter we learn exactly what the problem was: the teaching by “some”; including Apostle Peter ( Galatians 2:11), that in order to be saved you need to be circumcised, plus other “works of the flesh” described in Galatians 5:19-21;
3. Throughout his letter Paul mentions “circumcision” many times: Galatians 2:3, 7-9, 11; 3:3; 5:2, 3, 6, 11; 6:12, 13, 15;
4. In order to combat this false teaching, he expounds on the fact that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, not by keeping of the Ceremonial Law, which was fulfilled in Him.
By reading only parts of Galatians, many Christians reach the wrong conclusion that Paul is against keeping the Ten Commandments. That cannot be further from the truth. Here is what Paul declares: “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law … Wherefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good…” Romans 7:7, 12.

I thank Jesus for this life that I live now, I live by faith in the son of God, who loved me and gave his life for me.

Since John 17:3, Philippians 3:8-10, Matthew 7:21-23, verse 9 covered by a thick cloud, Jeremiah 29:13 that the people might hear when I speak with you, and believe you forever. John 6:17-8; 8:12. Jesus marveled in Matthew 8:10. Is there a greater marvel elsewhere? Is the only disease (BELEVING A LIE) caused by either Deception, or Pride. 1 Corinthians 4:7 there is only One God Who cannot lie, Hebrews 13:8. Who says there are no absolutes? The statement is an absolute, humble unselfish FATHER already knows everything, and is the answer, yet humanity is so wrapped up in their shallow little plans they miss the mark. His Glory Revelation 4:11, Galatians 2:20-21, Genesis 15:1, Philippians 3:12 Came here to understand this veiled verse 19:13 but got sidetracked. Sound unfamiliar 2 Corinthians 3:18, Ephesians 4:13.

To Terry: All is needed is faith in Jesus Christ. As you read and meditate upon his word daily, He will produce the work in you by His Holy Spirit. Now rest in Him and watch Him work through you. He is the author and finisher of your faith. He gives you peace and the mind to follow and obey Him. Don't worry. All of His paths are peace. It is so sweet and easy when He does the work. It's a burden you try to do it. God bless you. Enjoy your walk with the Lord as you live by Him.

i thank god that we are not justified by work but by faith in jesus

THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS I AM SAVED AND JUSTIFIED,not the "LAW".I PRAY that JESUS would get that from my head INTO my heart.JESUS LOVES US>>>>

Today the law does not justify a person's existence, nor does it give justification of a person's birth into this world. Christ, who died for us, however, is the justification why we exist in this world today possessing all the rights to reach salvation. For in order for us humans to be justified by the law, we must either be equal to it or above it. Example: Adam and Eve, before they sinned, were living above the law, therefore justified that their existence was righteous. But when they sinned, became under the law having to live up to it with no hope of salvation unless they were justified. Thus, something or someone greater (WILLING to pay the price) must had to either be made equal or inferior to them/us so they/we may yet again have a justified reason to live above the law and be restored to their/our first nature. While Adam and Eve's/our sinful, limited, and preoccupied mind could not even come close to think up a reason to justify their/our existence, God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, had already placed in action the plan that would permanently justify Adam and Eve's/our existence fully restoring once and for all their/our rights to live eternally. Now, definition of "justified" as specified by Merriam Webster Online dictionary is: 1. To prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable 2. To qualify (oneself) as a surety by taking oath to the ownership of sufficient property. 3. To judge, regard, or treat as righteous and worthy of salvation. 4. To qualify as bail or surety. That said, which of these definitions does Christ not fit?... Not only did Christ didn't consider leaving His throne, but also was concious of the humiliation He was put through as He was made inferior than humankind becoming the ultimate sacrifice to restore salvation to us all.

In this chapter I believe is the splitting off of the church from the Jewish religion. All of the Apostles were Jewish for Jesus was of that religion. Paul through revelation formulated these new ideas, that there was no salvation possible except through Faith or belief in the resurrection as a realized condition in which we become present with the Lord, on earth by gravity but spiritually in heaven with the Father. Before the resurrection their was only the righteousness of arc of the convenant. But the Jews were stiffnecked and always erred in their heart. So God in his mercy sent his Son, or himself in human form, as a living proof that God is alive in humans and to serve God is the way to please God. To please God is to receive his mercy. To be in that state with certainty is God realization , heaven, peace, fulness, bliss, happiness, and Rest.

To Terri's comment on verse 16:
To properly understand to what Paul is referring here, you don't need to know the greek. The answer itself lies in his rebuke of Peter. Peter thought it okay to eat with the Gentiles at first, but when "certain came from James", (which refers to the Jewish Christians sent by James from the Jerusalem church), Peter withdrew himself from eating with the Gentiles because to eat with the Gentiles violated the Jews' kosher standards. The scripture says that Peter dissimulated from the Gentiles because he feared them which "were of the circumcision". (the Jews from Jerusalem)
However, Paul rebuked him for this because God had brought through Peter and Paul both the gospel to the Gentiles, and while Peter believed that the Gentiles were saved, he was hypocritical when the Jews showed up. Paul admonishes that the Gentiles were saved by faith in Jesus Christ, not by the works of circumcision, which was a part of the old mosaic tradition. This in no way infers that he was saying that we should not exemplify good works in our life, but that we are not justified by becoming Jews after the old traditions of Mosaic law. Hope that helps!

In Lamiens term what doe this verse mean? that by faith alone in Jesus Christ is all we need or by our works as well, justifies our faith?