Discuss Ezekiel 18 Page 3

Ernest, you said our souls return to God the Father; yet the verse you quoted says the spirit returns.

I thought the soul is our body of flesh.

Ezekiel 18:4 ....the soul that sinneth it SHALL DIE.

Terry, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

There is only ONE LIFE, and that life is CHRIST.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine, the soul that sinneth (believes not that Jesus come to destroy DEATH and the GRAVE and replace it with LIFE (CHRIST), IT SHALL DIE.

In Christ; LIFE. Not in Christ; DEATH.

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( Ezekiel 21:12) Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people,...smite therefore upon thy thigh. "smite therefore upon thy thigh" is reference to Jacob wrestling an angel for the birthright he obtained from a hungry Esau, for a bowl of lentil soup. Wrestling the angel permanently injured Jacob's thigh ( Genesis 32:24-25). Seen as our "Jacob's time of trouble"; the great tribulation.

God made both Gog and Esau "small" and "despised "( Obadiah 1:2) Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

( Daniel 11:23) And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

( Matthew 24:21-22) For then shall be great tribulation....

( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) The falling away is the abomination of desolation.

( Mark 13:14) ( Matthew 24:15)

( 2 Peter 3:10) (Mathew 3:11)

( Amos 5:18) ( Amos 5:20)

( Daniel 11:31)

( Revelation 17:16-17)

( Daniel 9:27)

( Jeremiah 51:53)

( Revelation 18) vs 20 ...for in one hour is she made desolate.

( Revelation 18:9-10) ...for in one hour is thy judgment come. ( Ezekiel 18:26)

( Daniel 12:6-7)

Israel (house) is notably attacked [from the south to the north]:

( Ezekiel 21:2-4) And say to the land of Israel (northern kingdom),...therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh [from the south to the north].

( Ezekiel 20:46-47) ....Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree:...and all faces [from the south to the north] shall be burned therein.

( Isaiah 21:1) ....As whirlwinds in [the south pass through]; so it cometh from the desert, from a terrible land (Gog's land)

( Job 37:9)

( Isaiah 24) "Day of the Lord" aftermath.

( Revelation 9:18) By these three was the third part of men killed...

My brother Earl,

Your belief is truly pure. Though I still cannot make that decision from the things in the Bible. Again, as God's ways and thoughts are so high above us I know I could be wrong. Ecclesiastes 11:5.

With things like John 10:26 Jesus Christ telling people they are not of His sheep.

Just going to focus on the one verse of 1 Corinthians 15:28. In that verse the word "all" is the Greek word "pas". Mostly it is translated as "all" thought this is not the best word for "every single one or the whole or completely". The Greek words better for that are "hapas" and "holos" for a couple.

In the definition of "pas" it states " The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ..."

Now I won't go as far as to say your belief is incorrect as I perceive you more wise than I. Again there are other things that keep me to the "saved and unsaved" in the end.

Like I stated before in that if all were to be saved in the end I really would see no real use of the Bible, following Christ, doing right or wrong, if in the end it doesn't matter. This also does not seem fair to all the people that may have been tortured or killed by someone(say Hitler) and He is to be saved and be with them for eternity.

Sometimes being fair doesn't look like the nicest thing. To the wicked that is. Though God is fair. Ezekiel 18:20-32.

God Bless you brother Earl.

"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengenance belongeth to me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" Hebrews 10:26-31

"We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive the grace of God in vain" 2 Corinthians 6:1

"I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth" Genesis 6:7

"But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord" Genesis 6:8

"Thou shall not Kill" Exodus 20:13

"Thou shall not commit adultery" Genesis 20:14

"An Ammonite or a Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever" Deuteronomy 23:3

"and Ruth the Moabitess.." Ruth 1:22

"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy" Romans 9:18

"..ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ" Jude 1:4

"Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Romans 6:1-2

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey: whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Romans 6:16

"the soul that sinneth , it shall die" Ezekiel 18:14

"for in the day thou eatest thereof thereof thou shall surely die" Genesis 2:16-17

"by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men" Romans 5:12

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?..." 1 Corinthians 6:9

"But your iniquities have separated between you and you God" Isaiah 59:2

"the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:4

"shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" Revelation 21:8

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" Revelation 20:14-15

"For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

"And all things are lf God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ...To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

"Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" John 1:17

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8

"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ" Ephesians 2:13

"and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

"the veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom" Matthew 27:51

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace" Ephesians 1:7

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:14-15

"But God commendeth his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8

"And of his fulness have all received, and grace for grace" John 1:16

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by washing of regeneration of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to eternal life" Titus 3:4-7

"In keeping of them is great reward" Psalms 19:11

"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good" Romans 7:12

"the law is spiritual" Romans 7:14

"Sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4

"Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" Galatians 3:10

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:14

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse" Galatians 3:10

"weak through the flesh" Romans 8:3

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight" Romans 3:20

"having no hope, and without God in the world" Ephesians 2:12

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all of our righteousness are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away" Isaiah 64:6

"We have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one...There is no fear of God before there eyes...For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:9-23

"the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" Romans 1:18

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off" Romans 11:22

I'm not sure just what you are asking. If it is about human conception and when the soul enters the unborn child's body? These are some scriptures. To me it looks like when the ovum and the sperm meet.

Psalm 139

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15 My substance was NOT hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and IN THY BOOK, all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Psalms Chapter 127

3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb IS HIS REWARD.

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Matthew 18:10

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 18:14. Even so IT IS NOT the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish (die).

Job 12:10. In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Ezekiel 18:4

Behold, all souls are MINE, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

If this isn't helpful, write back again.

Mishael

We have parents who bring us up. If you are fortunate, you will be clothed and fed by them. Many grow without either! As long as we are subserviant to sin, we would carry on. Sin is still sin! Whether it is yours or your daddys!

Comments by Alex on Ezekiel 18 : 20 which is True as it gets , the best scripture for Original sin,But what Ezek. does not tell ya is Israel cd not keep the law for long Father and Son a like they both died in their own sins, But God Promised them if they wd keep the law they wd not die.But here is where Original sin comes in, Original sin made them ALL VERY CORRUPTIBLE, Thats y God called then backsliding Israel. There was none righteous no not one .the law was the ministration of death . But if they wd keep the law they wd live but they wd get bit Remember the serpents ,God told em to build a bronze serpent and if they wd behold that bronze serpent they wd live EVEN THO THEY GOT BIT. Which was prophetic of Christ that wd be lifted up so that if we sin there wd be no condemnation . God knew that Israel wanted to keep the law but b/c of their old adamic nature ,satans head, Original sin made them corruptible and thats y we must be BORNAGAIN of an incorruptible seed etc. Even by the words of God ,But Ezek was so right every person died for their own sins. But b/c of Original sin they were easily corrupted which was Adams stain and spot . But when that new covenant is mediated it gonna be impossible to sin as them that are born of God CANNOT SIN, which is our new heart and new spirit. Christ in us. he is our bronze serpent ,If i be LIFTED UP i will draw ALL men unto me. The spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death, Snake bite and death. What the law cd not do in that it was weak thru the flesh God had to send his son to condemn sin in the flesh via that good seed th word the contents of that book. In the volume of the book it is written of ME i delight to do thy will O GOD...TO MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SIN THUS FULFILLING THE LAW. k later

Hello,

Which is more credible: God's Word direct from the source, or someone else's interpretation it?

And what exactly are you taught about original sin? Do you think whatever you're taught is somehow more correct than Ezekiel? The Bible doesn't contradict itself, only man has contradictory interpretations of it sometimes. In Ezekiel 18:20 it says we don't bear the iniquity of the father- is that the verse that doesn't seem consistent with what you were told? I personally don't see any evidence in the Bible that we are punished for others' sins. However, God changed the way he decided to deal wtih mankind based on Adam & Eve eating the fruit, but that's not exactly being punished for sin.

Ezekiel chpt 18 really contradicts what we are taught about the original sin. How can we be punished for the sins our Father Adam did thousands of years ago. Furthermore, he never asked us nor were we present. Nonetheless, our loving, forgiving creator promised us the opposit.

Hello, My question is: In Psalms 37:11; 29 it speaks of the righteous and the meek will inherit the earth.

Also Mathew 5:5 Jesus said "Happy are the meek for they will inherit the earth."

If Christian's are to go to heaven when they die, how is it they will inherit the earth?

Also is the Old Testament primarily for the Jews?

Is the NT for the Jews and Gentiles?

What does it mean in Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul that sinneth it shall die? Does this mean there's no life after we die? Same with Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 "The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered.

6 Whatever they did in their lifetime-loving, hating, envying-is all long gone. They no longer play a part in anything here on earth. NLT

I was once a Jehovah Witness and I've come to realise they don't practise the Truth. So please help me try to understand what the true message if the gospel is.

I have many more questions, but it will take time to understand it all

Thanks Trish Western

If you're alive, then You are a Living Soul! Genesis 2:7 KJV: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Human's are "Living Souls" or "Living Beings". The Body(physicality, physiology , cognizance, mental formations, etc.) + The Spirit( life force, energy) = A Living Soul!

All souls belong to God . We all have a purpose in life . We all were created by God . He wants all souls to be SAVED, and all can be if they follow his word. It tells us how to live , what to do , what not to do . How to look for a help meet in life a companion. We're not to just take anyone to be our husband or wife . God has guidelines for us all to follow.

He told us to seek the kingdom of God first and then all these things would added unto us. God also tells us to be patient . Wait on him. God never fails he's alway true and faithful . Its people who let Hid down by not trusting in his word and living his word , not just saying your a Christian, but actually living it out the Bible way .

Yes we can all live it . God said in Several Chapters Go an sin No more . Would God tell us to Not sin if we couldn't do it by his help and Grace? No, he wouldn't . John 3 ch. John 8 ch. , John 5 ch. Romans 6:1-2 Romans 3:23-25 1 John 3:1-11 all these and there's more . We all need to be ready when the Lord comes back . Oh what a day of Rejoicing it will truly be fir his Saints .the really saved . Not just say I am when not. Can't go to Heaven with any type of sin in your life at all. None of us . 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 , Galatians 5:16-21.Gid came to show us the way he wants all Souls to be Saved Ezekiel 18:4. If we put God First he will give us also the desires of our heart to . But , we need to very careful what we ask for to have .It can hinder you in walking with God daily or even cause you to go astray from God and never get back .

If you Seek the kingdom of God First Let God Know you truly want to live for him and do as his word tells us and do it from the Heart . Let God know your willing to do it his way . Get o. Your knees and ask for forgiveness , if you've sinned . Truly Repent and to never go back to sin . God will bless your life . Genesis 2:18

"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

Thank you! I appreciate it ! May God Bless you

Yes you can be forgiven, all have sinned and come short of the lord's glory. We serve a god of forgiveness, lift your head and move forward in the things of God. You're loved and you're forgiven Donna.

Thank you

Thank you

iF all the money $$$$$ that goes to planned parenthood; was given to see that a baby was adopted by a family that would give that child everything and 2 parents to adore it: we wouldn't have these debates and riots for the right to destroy the "product" of conception.

God knows when the conception occurs. He sees the child. The child already has a soul.

The soul of that child immediately goes to heaven to live there eternally. That is scripture.

All souls belong to God.

Because our society says abortion is an option: does not make it right. You know in your heart that it's not right? If you are sorry for being misled, then repent and be born again with the receiving of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Being a Christian is much more than sitting in a pew every Sunday, battling sleepiness.

The only person who can take away your sins is Jesus Christ. We don't deserve; and are not entitled to painless Christianity. We can eliminate a ton of pain just by reading the Bible for 1 hour each day. Start in Isaiah.

Hurry. Jesus can return at any moment.

I lost a very much wanted child. There's got to be a million people that have given up hope of being a parents. It makes no sense to me why babies are scraped out.

I babysat my Grandson daily for 3 years; along with my mother who had dementia. He was brand new and at the same I sorrowed for my amazing mother and saw her struggle with things so hard. See? I participated in 2 lives that me and God loved on, every day! What a privilege.

When we are right with God, life can be beautiful. It builds incredible strength into our faith.

Michael

Unto the children of Israel the LORD commanded:

Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. ( Leviticus 18:4-5)

By Ezekiel's time, Israel and Judah had strayed so far from the covenant in flagrant disobedience that the LORD judged the nation, delivering them up to destruction and captivity. Ezekiel 18:26 is part of this judgement.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. ( Galatians 3:10-12)

In Jesus Christ, though free from condemnation, we are subject to Christ and are accountable to him:

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. ( 2 Corinthians 5:10)

Consequences of sin can be far reaching and ruinous to ourselves and those near and dear to us. Our prime example is David, who to cover his adultery had Uriah killed, then suffered the loss of fellowship with God, lost four children, and endured a bloody insurrection among other consequences. (beginning 2 Samuel 11)

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. ( Hebrews 12:6-8)

Thank you so very much! May God Bless you

Hi Donna,

Yes, God can forgive all sin, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as it says in the Bible. Prominent men of God have committed murder and God still chose and used them, like Paul, Moses, David, etc. Many in the Bible have committed unspeakable sins, but Jesus died exactly for that, He died for them and you, He paid your debt already if you accept it and follow Him. This is a profound sacrifice. God bless you.

Could someone explain verse 26 please? If you are a believer and you have an abortion are you still forgiven?

Ezekiel 18-26 Could someone explain what this means please.

Daniel, even though this act of killing animals for sacrifices sounds horrible & detestable, it was something that was required by God for His people, Israel. To explain this further:

Ever since mankind was put on the Earth & they chose to do wrong & disobey God, their Creator, they were under the sentence of death; death was both a physical & spiritual death. See Genesis chapter 3 for the account of Adam & Eve & also Ezekiel 18:4: "the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Just as we have to pay the penalty for our wrongs before civil courts, so to the Just God requires that we pay the penalty for our lives of sin & disobedience to Him.

But if God fulfilled His demands, none of us would be alive for long & we would be consigned to Hell for our sins. But this God of Justice is also a God of Love (just as a good parent meets out both love & discipline to the child), & God wanted to give mankind another way to be forgiven & acceptable to Him. So when God had called out a people especially to separate them from the world that was given over to idolatry & wickedness & to put His Name on them, He picked a people out of captivity in Egypt to be His very Own: blessed by Him, God dwelling with them, guiding them & protecting them. But they were still human & still did wrong before God. So God gave them His Laws to abide by & also a sacrificial system whereby whenever they sinned & broke His Laws, a system was in place that would temporarily cover those sins thereby averting God's Anger & Judgement against them. And this involved the sacrifice of various types of animals.

Why the death of animals? Hebrews 9:22 says "without the shedding of blood there is no remission (of sins)". It had to be blood for blood. Rather than the sinner losing his life for his sin, God in love required that a pure, spotless animal would be sacrificed in the sinner's stead. When this was done by the High Priest, God accepted it as a substitutionary payment on behalf of man.

Commentary for Ezekiel 18:6

By Matthew Henry

God has no respect of persons.

1-20 The soul that sinneth it shall die. As to eternity, every man was, is, and will be dealt with, as his conduct shows him to have been under the old covenant of works, or the new covenant of grace. Whatever outward sufferings come upon men through the sins of others, they deserve for their own sins all they suffer; and the Lord overrules every event for the eternal good of believers. All souls are in the hand of the great Creator: he will deal with them in justice or mercy; nor will any perish for the sins of another, who is not in some sense worthy of death for his own. We all have sinned, and our souls must be lost, if God deal with us according to his holy law; but we are invited to come to Christ. If a man who had shown his faith by his works, had a wicked son, whose character and conduct were the reverse of his parent's, could it be expected he should escape the Divine vengeance on account of his father's piety? Surely not. And should a wicked man have a son who walked before God as righteous, this man would not perish for his father's sins. If the son was not free from evils in this life, still he should be partaker of salvation. The question here is not about the meritorious ground of justification, but about the Lord's dealings with the righteous and the wicked.

My comment: this entire chapter is about people being held responsible for their own sinfulness or, for what they know to be righteousness. To choose good and choose Gods way; is to choose life. If your parents or your children choose evil; they are choosing death. It's the choices we make individually, that determines life or death. We can repent of wrong and choose life. And vice versa.

The children do not bear the penalty for the parents choices; and vice versa.

In the Bible, idol worship or evil works we're committed on the mountaintops. In full view of God and everybody.

Mishael

1 Corinthians 10 v 21 not v 1

I get a lot of typos, not sure why

1 Corinthians 10 v1

This explains what I was referring to in the NT . I hope this helps you

To me my first impression is it's a secretive type of devil worship .

Read Deuteronomy 12. 2

I think that's the verse , other places in the Bible indicates that in the mountains evil things took place , Israel at one time was forbidden to go into the mountains because of the pagan gods and nations that dwelt there .

New Testament teaches we can not eat at the Lords table and table of devils . Maybe 1 Corinthians it talks about this .