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That sounds true to me. Our born again spirits are in heaven after death; awaiting the Caught Up to meet Jesus in the clouds. Our new transformed bodies will be joined to our spirits.

The dead in Christ rise first, then all those that are alive..

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Then we have Matthew 27:51-54, when the 'faithful' dead arose from their tombs at the death of Jesus on the Cross. They not only woke up but must have had re-constituted bodies as they walked about & appeared to many as a witness after Jesus' resurrection. We're not told what happened to them after this event; my guess is that they ascended as the Lord did - but no proof of this. This then correlates to the resurrection of Christians at the coming of Christ. This second resurrection will also be one of re-constituted bodies rising to be Christ forever & a witness to the Power of Christ.

And the 'hope' of the Christian in all this is that we don't face God's Judgement for our sin, as Jesus fully accomplished that on the Cross for us, to those who have put their faith in Him. So however our state will be at death & what transpires between our spirits & bodies, we know that we will see our Lord Who gave His Life for us, being welcomed into His Presence, unlike those who reject His Cross, who face certain judgement.

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Luke, this is one of those subjects that doesn't give us clear answers on all aspects of death & the afterlife. And since we can't get first-hand detail from someone who has been through it, we have to rely on what the Bible reveals & remain confident in these Truths, yet not dogmatic.

We do know that within us, that which gives us our real identity is our soul & spirit & these are housed in our body. The body can die & deteriorate, but the soul & spirit are immaterial & cannot perish. Ecclesiastes 3:20,21: "All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" This verse shows that the animal at death simply perishes, but the human spirit doesn't & is accountable to God.

Then Jesus spoke in Luke 16:19-31 about the death of a rich man & a beggar named Lazarus. Jesus clearly showed that they were in a place other than at the grave. The rich man was suffering & the beggar was not. And Adam also cited the passage about the repentant thief on his cross beside Jesus. So I believe that we can understand that the spirit of man does go beyond this earthly realm at death rather than lingering in or near its deteriorating frame. Then what happens to those who are cremated with their ashes scattered everywhere? How does a spirit of a dead man deal with that? My sense is that our spirit, being liberated from the body, has to move to another point or place. My preference takes Paul's words into account in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8, that if he was in the body he was absent from the Lord, but if he was absent in the body, he would be present with the Lord, i.e. he would be in Heaven. Also Philippians 1:23.

I believe the answer to all 3 of your questions is yes. I believe those who believe people will be instantly in heaven upon death misinterpret 2 different verses:

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Note, he says he'd "rather be absent" and not 100% of everyone saved who dies is instantly with the Lord.

Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. People also assume this means 100% of all saved people are instantly in heaven. However, Jesus can make exceptions and do whatever he wants. It doesn't mean that every action Jesus took was automatically applied to everyone else 100% of the time. Jesus healed some people and not others. He was closer to some people relationally than others. Secondly, the word 'paradise' may not necessarily mean heaven. It's very possible that there is a 'waiting area' before judgment such as paradise or pergatory.

Third, it's already given that in the end Jesus will come to earth and the dead shall rise and meet Him in the air 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. So, it makes more logical sense that saved people are 'sleeping' and awaiting judgment on Earth and will then fulfil this scripture and go to heaven with Jesus. Otherwise, it would not be logical for saved people to go to heaven before judgment day, nor would it be logical for people in heaven to return to earth to then rise up from the grave or ashes and then meet Jesus, only to go back to heaven. There's even more scripture supporting that saved people will sleep and await judgment, but these are the key points that others use to justify their belief, for reference.

What happens when we die? In 1 Thessalonians it is stated that the "dead in Christ" shall rise at the second coming of Christ before the living depart (the rapture), does this mean that when we die we remain in a 'dead state' until the second coming? Will it just feel like 'the blink of an eye' from the time we die until He returns? Will be be 'asleep' during this time?

Thank You

This is too large a subject to properly deal with here, but basically, when God rested on the seventh day from His Work of Creation ( Genesis 2:2,3), it was done from counting off six days: in other words, since no days of the week are seen here, therefore no one can determine which days was the day of rest. Then when He commanded this Day of Rest (Sabbath) in Exodus 20:10 for his people Israel to observe, again, there wasn't a stipulation of it being a particular day. The institution of the Sabbath was a sign of sanctification (or, separation) of Israel to God, elected by God out of a world all around them that was given to idolatry & wickedness. ( Exodus 31:13,14).

In Exodus chapter 16, we read of God's provision of food to Israel after they left Egypt, by supplying them with quails & manna each day. They had to collect their food every day for six days but on the sixth day, they had to collect the manna for an extra day, as it was their day of rest (Sabbath). If they forgot to do this, they would have to fast.

From then on, Israel had maintained this day count: working (or, collecting food) for six days & resting on the seventh. The Jewish Sabbaths, Festivals, etc. are now calculated on a Lunar Calendar (based on the Moon cycles/phases) as opposed to our Solar Calendar (based on the Sun). As both Calendars are not strictly accurate (if reckoning the exact days), they have to include extra days or in the case of Judaism, adjust their festival dates to suit. But the Sabbath has to be strictly maintained as the seventh day of rest from their labours.

Due to religions of different individuals. How is the Sabbath truly determined? Where is it in the Bible?

Exodus 19:5-6 Amplified for my life

If I choose with all my heart & being to listen to Your Voice, above all- (my own thoughts or the world)'s ...and listen does mean following through with continual surrender and obedience,

I will know I am Yours, and will be marked as YOURS, a person of your covenant and a special treasure to You.

You own all the earth. I will be readily available to You to minister to people.They will see a difference in all I do, FOR I AM YOURS, My life is Yours. I listen and do Your pleasure.

Exodus 19:4 "You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagle's wings, and brought you unto Myself."

God told Moses to tell the house of Jacob and the children of Israel this phrase.

I guess it is how God protected the people of Israel thru the entire journey to get away from the Egyptians. And that God will do the same thing when the people of Israel escape into the wilderness once again in the tribulation. God is going to prove to His people who He is by protecting them once again.

I don't believe the U.S. is mentioned in scripture.

And the women in Revelation is referring to the nation of Israel.

Yes study prophecy - Exodus 19:5 - Now therefore, IF IF IF ye (Jews) will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Jeremiah 11:10 - They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

Leviticus 18:5 - Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which IF IF IF a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. Thing is the Jews did not keep the covenant and did you know God DIVORCED ISRAEL....

Hmmm. most do not know.

Jeremiah 3:8 - And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of DIVORCE divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Jeremiah 5:11 - For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD.

Question: Who does the Bible alone say KILLED JESUS

A: 1 Thessalonians 2:14 -15 ...even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, ....

Q: Is there another plan of salvation for unbelieving Jews?

A: Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Q: Did Jesus take the Kingdom of God from the Jews?

A: Matthew 21:43 - Therefore say I (Jesus speaking to the Jews) unto you,

The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Matthew 23:15 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (ALL Pharisees are Jews) , hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Harsh words from Jesus

Contrast the flight from Egypt at the Passover

Exodus 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I (God) bare you on EAGLE eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

With this Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great EAGLE eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

I say the woman is the church, though most will disagree with me

Because man has both a physical and a divine nature, we face choices everyday. In any given situation where a choice must be made we rely either on our physical selves to respond or on our divine selves to respond. God is letting his people know that a separation between the two natures must observed at all times. The physical nature must never dictate to the divine nature. This would cause the divine nature to weaken and die over time. Following the divine nature would require God to provide us with guidance when making choices. His people are not allowed to see his divine nature; but He does provide Moses with laws to guide us.

This is what happened in Eden. Eve (the physical) convinced Adam (the divine) to join her in discovering that which would make them a god. This discovery caused them to hide their nakedness from the LORD God, and led to Adam's eventual death. This conflict exists throughout the Holy Bible. Cain and Able, Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah and the Ark, Pharaoh and Moses...Our ongoing conflict between the divine and the physical; joined but separate.

God is laying it out plain and simple..It is our choice weather to obey Gods Covenant/Laws or not, here is the up side if you do, you will be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people.
Titus 2:14
1 Peter 2:9

There's always that little two letter word "if". If we do or if we don't. To be or not to be, is the question. To do or not to do. Damned if we do and damned if don't. I hate that little letter

Verse 5~If the people would obey Jehovah God then they would become a special treasure to him and he would provide for them and protect them.

"Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself." Every true Believer knows without a doubt that he or she is not worthy of the least of the Lord's mercies, nor of all the truth that He shows us. But God says of us that He has chosen us to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself above all people; a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.

Verse 8: The Israelites agreed to obey all that Jehovah God commanded them to do. They were well aware of the consequences that would come if they disobeyed, yet those chose to disobey and later suffered.

Hello, Yesterday I addressed Rev. 6:1-2. The (Lamb) is Christ. (The Seals) The work of the Holy Spirit, see Ephesians 1:13, 4:30. (Thunder) symbolizes the Voice of God. See
Job 37:4-5, Exodus 19:16-19, IISam 22:14, John 12:28-29. (Beast), In Greek means Zoon. means Living Creatures in Rev.6:1,3,5,7 liken unto a Lion, a Calf, As a face of a Man, as a Flying Eagle. Eze. caught a glimpse.1:4-10

"And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly." In many parts of the Bible, the Spirit describes the Day of the LORD as being just like how He showed Himself to the children of Israel at Sinai; only in full power, and over the whole earth!

"Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself." Applying this great word to ourselves, and in relation to our day; lets look at the place of the Saints in the world through the end times, as described in Revelation. A careful overview of the whole Prophecy shows us that we are first to be perfect with the Lord, so to be His Witnesses.

We as choosen people of God we must be obedient to his covenant of his laws,we will experienced the abundant life for a successful living.

The insistence by the Lord for Moses to go back and tell people not to come near the Mountain lest they die, shows just how much He loves the people because if they came near, He would have to kill them as He is bound by His Word.

Nel, the grammar being incorrect is a small thing compared to the truth of the gospel. St. Paul said in 1Cor. 2:4 "My speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man 's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit- Holy Ghost-and power ". The power of God. God bless us all and in the understanding of his Word. Glory be to Jehovah in the highest through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen!

The lesson that I learned in this passage is that we Christians must believe and fear GOd for what He says are absolute in accordance to His own time and plan...trust Him for your plans will never be pushed through if it is not in God 's design for your life pardon for some wrong grammar

it is through Christ the entire law is fulfilled ,by his Blood we are forgiven of all sins. Which the law could never do by any means because it was depending on your right doing which is impossible since we were all sinners so hence were all condemned to death ,but thankfully Jesus came in human flesh the Son of God and He was the only one who could fulfil it so that though Him we are Justified from all thinks and get to inherit all His blessings that we did not deserve by any means , the law was introduced to bring man to the end of himself . Also Remember the Law was what man brought on himself but was not what God wanted ,His main purpose is Grace that continued from our loving saviour Jesus Christ. READ Exodus 19:8 .

God 's will is for us to prosper and keep in good health we have to trust and obey and do his perfect will in our every day lives,which will cause us to sin less and less eventually leading to perfection.

This is a remarkable sentimet from Godgiving preferential treatment to his worshiping people who carries out His will consistently without fail.

To my men And to my brothers and sisters that I've been paying attention and following me and my notes..Chapter 19 Verse 3 do verse 7... Now you know your purpose..These are for the one that I used to see and ears to hear...!!And have read from the beginning until now..With the truth being right before their eyes..May God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ amen do not stop following and reading me..!!

This is what really made God angery because the people was telling God that they didn't want to have to depend on him for anything. Give them some rules to follow...the 10 commandments were given in the very next chapter.. laws that only one man could ever keep.