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Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Believing seals you with the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 1:13

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

And to address Jessie's point about the devil believing that is different from the faith we have in believing that Jesus died, was buried and rose again for the remission of our sins. Their belief is not a salvation belief.

James 2:19

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

There are MANY clear verses that salvation is by faith aloneJesus paid it ALL even after we are saved we will still sin until we die from this flesh. And that is why we are to be as little children.it is easy to be saved even a small child can be saved.

TanyaRachel,

I also believe in eternal security, or as you put it, "Once saved, always saved."

Ephesians 1:14 would also add to the verse you have shared. It says, "Which (or who) is the earnest (or guarantee) of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

It's after we heard, after we believed, we were sealed. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. He doesn't give us a seal. He is the seal.



He's the mark of ownership and He has sealed the believer so that no spiritual force or otherwise can penetrate their spirit. They've been sealed by the Holy Spirit and filled with the Spirit of Christ.

It's nice to know that in the midst of our weaknesses that the presence of God's Spirit is our guarantee, until the redemption of the purchased possession.



Since redemption means purchased, it is making reference to the coming of Christ, when our redemption will be realized.

We've been purchased and we're sitting at the will call window, so to speak. He hasn't picked us up yet. But when Christ comes, He's going to come for the purchased possession. That's every believer.

Ephesians 4:30 tells us that we are sealed with the Spirit of God "until" Christ comes.



So every believer is preserved. We're being kept for Christ at His coming. That's our guarantee that we are being preserved for Him.

We have eternal life in Christ Jesus. I have eternal life, not based on my human performance, but because Christ lives in me, and He is eternal.

Thanks Richard.

It seems you gave a fine description of the ministry of the Holyspirit.

TRUTH.

He is reveals. John 16:13.

He discerns. 1 Corinthians 2:14-15.

This is the work of God functioning in the inner man and displaying outwardly in believers.

" Worshipping in truth and in Spirit"

John 4:23.

Philippians 2:13.

I believe this takes denying ourselves and submission.

And when HE is present WE bares fruit.

This is practical, not a manifestation of the flesh. "Man doesn't WILL it to happen.

In fact as he matures I don't think he can keep it from happening.

Matthew 7:16-20. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A GOOD TREE CANNOT BRING FORTH EVIL FRUIT, NEITHER CAN A CORRUPT TREE BRING FORTH GOOD FRUIT.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

I believe when we exhibit this spirit efficient fruit then we are able to exhibit our gift. (Christ) in us and we in him.

Ephesians 4:11-15. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

God bless.

As Duncan has written, I can't recall any such situation that you've given here. Though in Ephesians 4:32 we read, "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

Here, the thought is to show kindness, gentleness & compassion to one another, since we really don't understand or fully understand the trials that another person may be going through. We shouldn't think that a lack of a facial expression should definitely mean something is amiss. He might be working through some issue, lost a loved one, or even had a tooth pulled out that won't bring on a smile. So, we need to understand that there might be a good reason for a somber or sullen face & rather to tell him to 'get over it & smile a little', we would do better to get beside him & minister to him as he permits you & by the Lord's leading.

Hi Giannis.

Good questions.

The emphasis was on the motive in which we do things. " Examine ourselves to see if we are doing it by command. glory or Agape.

I believe what is important is the Heart behind every action.

The work and the heart behind the things we do that pleases God can only be achieved by the Holyspirit.

Romans 8:7-9.

In my post I was asking WHAT IS OUR MOTIVE when we do the things we are asked NOT to do.

That's why a stated; "If we are supposed to be moved by the Spirit "by the instrument of faith" unto good works but yet we don't display good works, then our faith is vain/dead, Then is it fair to say that if we provide works THAT IS NOT BY THE INFLUENCE of the spirit that causes obedience to God's word, "then our work is vain."

Here's an Scriptural example

Matthew 6:1-8.

If our works confirms our faith and that work is tried by fire, it will stand. But if we perform a work we are asked NOT to do, What is the motive? Pride? And should we care?

If pride I believe we are building with wood hay and stubble. It will go up in smoke!

So the context in these posts isn't focused on the people in rebellion to God's instructions. It's focus is on those who seem content in their salvation when we should be concerned about the order mentioned in scripture that helps us grow so we don't become lukewarm.

Our attitude and trust in God's structure and instructions being profound or not to Grow "or perfect" the Church is on trial

Ephesians 4:11-16. seems to say he gave particular offices to particular people to Prosper the Church.

Thanks and Goodnight.

The fact that you are feeling convictions that are causing doubt shows that the Holy Spirit is inside of you and working on you. Spiritually dead people do not worry about salvation. Only those whom are filled with the Holy Spirit have such thoughts. If your actions are grieving the Holy Spirit I recommend you be watchful of your convictions and turn from the things causing you to feel convicted. The Holy Spirit is trying to conform you to the image of Christ. Its not an overnight process its an ongoing battle against sin until you pass over into Heaven as Paul tells us in Romans chapter 7.

Romans 7:25 "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

No dear Baker, prophesing is not teaching. There are two types of prophets in New Testament.

1. The gift of prophesing ( 1 Cor 12:7-11). A woman can have that gift and prophesy ( Acts 21:8-9). The gifts are given by the Holly Spirit. This gift has nothing to do with teaching, that is why in the next chapter ( 1 Cor 14:34) where Paul keeps talking about gifts, especially about speaking in tongues and prophesing, he forbids women to teach in the church. So prophesing has nothing to do with teaching (some churches have this specific belief).

2. The ministry of prophet ( Ephesians 4:11), which is something different from the gift of prophesing described in Corinthians. In Acts 13:1-3 in the church there are both prophets and teachers, which means they are different ministries. All ministers, Apostles, Pastors, Evangelists, Teachers, Prophets(once more teachers and prophets are separate ministries) are males, we don't see any woman in that position in the Gospels. As written it is Jesus who appoints ministers in the church (not the Holly Spirit who gives the gifts). All ministers can teach in the church, as well. ( Acts 15:32).

GBU

THE STATE OF MAN AND UNCHANGEABLENESS OF GOD

Psalm 139:8 shows that God is everywhere; including in what was the abode of the dead; Sheol. Think for a minute what this implies. When we see what can only be taken as a literal story of Lazarus and the rich man we see two individuals clearly in a different state in the afterlife. In fact; the rich man is still there and will be until the Great White Throne Judgment.

The souls of the righteous; however are now present with the Lord ( Ephesians 4:8; 2 Cor. 5:6).

No longer are those who die in the Lord held captive by the Devil from the presence of God ( Hebrews 2:14-15). Only the rightous will actually see God; Psalm 11:6-7 illustrate this along with the fate of the wicked in hell in great detail. Even this life; in fact shows how one can be dead in trespasses and sins yet physically alive ( Ephesians 2:1). This will be the eternal state for the wicked in the lake of fire.

Our human minds cannot conceive how God does not change; and how He can be a God of mercy and grace yet render eternal judgment on the unregenerate; also those whose souls God created ( Ezekiel 18:4). Nonetheless; that verse illustrates how a father and son and blood relations are not relevant for determining the salvation of an individual. We see that in the book of Joshua with Gideon that God is for those who are on his side; whatever we percieve in our reality as the right or wrong sides. God brings good to those who love Him ( Romans 8:28). It is according to HIS PURPOSE that these things occur; the same holds true for the wicked as God has no joy in the death of the wicked ( Ezekiel 18:23) but grace is only available for repentance in THIS LIFE according to His terms.

Hi sorry for the late response

Firs let us give thanks to God and Jesus our lord and savior whom died on the cross for our sins, and to all that will read this message and the rest that we have posted before .

i believe Jesus is the son of and he died on the cross for our sins and rose on the 3rd and all authority has been given to him on heaven and earth,

i believe all the scripture is the written word of GOD and is the pure word of God and which touches the heart of the wise and makes him simple in truth amen.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As its written in the scripters ,God the Holy spirit gives gift unto me according to his will and we know some

Ephesians 4:11-16

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

as you have stated earlier there true men of God out there serving God with all their heart mind and soul ,Their hearts which is set upon heaven where their gift of life lies In Jesus the living water.

But as i mention earlier the devil has came from within the church and not outside of the church and has deceived many who have not fully stayed their minds upon the rock Jesus Christ and are not committed Christian( Believers) hence any wind of doctrine preached by this men that want power and prestige and whom God has not sent but have sent themselves .

Ephesians 4:11-16

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, a

Sister Gigi:

Ephesians 4:4 .... One Spirit ..... One body ......

Ephesians 4:6 One God, and Father of ALL .....who is above all, and through all, and IN YOU all.

Isaiah 14:16 Come ye near unto me (the man Christ Jesus), hear ye this, I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there am I (the man, Christ Jesus): now the LORD GOD (my father), and HIS SPIRIT hath sent me.

Isaiah 41:27 The FIRST (man, Christ Jesus) shall say to Zion .....I (the man Christ Jesus) will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and ONE mediator between GOD and MEN, the man Christ Jesus.

1 John 2:22 ...he is antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son.

John 17:5 ...O Father, glorify me (the man, Christ Jesus) with thine own self with the glory I had with thee, before the world was.

God Bless you.

Hi Gigi.

Hebrews 10:19. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (We can now come into his presence)

1 Corinthians 6:19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (Because he abides in us.)

1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is "HE" that is in you, than he that is in the world. (It is a "HE" that is in you that is stronger than he that is in the world.)

John 17:21-23. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I IN THEM, AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, (AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM). "The Holyspirit is God's spirit in us!

Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. (It is the father, the son, and the Holyspirit abiding in us according to these scriptures.) AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.

Ephesians 4:4-6. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

With so many scriptures like this given a would be confusing if there were no trinity.

The way you have explained it often is well represented by scripture.

God bless you.

Hi.

John 4:24 GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

"ONE LORD," one faith, ONE BAPTISM,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

Romans 8:11. ( BUT IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM ) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, HE THAT RAISED UP CHRIST FROM THE DEAD shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT that dwelleth in you.

1 Corinthians 15:45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT.

Acts 13:30. But God raised him from the dead:

Study these verses and you will see the trinity in who raised up Christ from the dead.

John 10:17. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

God bless.

-Jesus is him that will judge the living and dead, we as Christians and humans in general we can not instruct God in any way even we don't even know our own hearts. as its written no one knows or gives counsel to God.

Isaiah 40:13-14

(13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?)

-God does according to his will, even our own breath is in his hands.

on 6 its written that jesus died and went to hell and perched the gospel, Pray and read the bible ask for understanding.

Ephesians 4:8-10

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

5.Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

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But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

Chris,

It is good that we agree on this, as I do not know Greek. I wasn't quite sure if I had learned it correctly and you have confirmed it for me.

Paul said that he who began a good work in us is faithful to complete it. ( Philippians 1:6) So our completeness comes from the working of God in our lives and in us by the Holy Spirit. Paul also says that he desires for us to grow up into the full measure of Christ. ( Ephesians 4:13).

These verses seem to imply this same view of being made complete, having progressed from conversion to maturity and, ultimately, readiness for heaven. I think that it is not so much a matter of our effort (though we do need to make choices to obey) but of being open, willing, and desirous of how the Spirit wills to work in us to bring us towards completeness.

On another angle, this makes me think that this perfection/completeness may be referring to God's plan coming to fullness, perfection, fruition, and, as you say, His foreordained end to His plan for creation, in us one by one, and in the whole church over the ages. There is a culmination of all things to come. That will be glorious.

Sister Janice:

Do you understand what it means to produce after their own kind?

God said let us make man in our image.

God is Spirit, if we are (Re)created in his image, we also become Spirit (God, in a glorified body, just like Christ)

Psalms 82:6 For I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendeth forth thy Spirit, they are created, thou renewest the face of the earth.

John 3:6 ... that which is born of Spirit (God) is Spirit (God).

John 17:21 That they all may be one, as thou Father, art in me, and I IN THEM ....

Colossians 1:2 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....

Romans 8:29 ....predestinate to be conformed to the IMAGE of his Son ....

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

You must be born again: understand what awaits you when you leave this body of flesh.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal shall PUT ON immortality (Christ only hath immortality, we put on Christ).

1 Corinthians 15:28 ....that God may be ALL in ALL.

Ephesians 4:4 ....One Spirit (eternal life)......One Body (creation, that inherited eternal life)

God bless you.

Thanks Giannis.

I haven't been able to recap on any posts, But I do agree we are to operate in a structure,

Paul elaborates on this.

1 Timothy 2:8

1 Timothy 3.

Titus 2.

There is the universal spiritual Church and there's a place where we meet that is the Church building or field, ect ect. where we form a congregation. Paul gave instructions how we should function in those congregations "which is the church " And those congregations can be as little as 2!!

It can be done on zoom or a site the conduct remains the same.

What I was mentioning was God revealing truth through the Spirit and we receiving truth trough the spirit. "Devine Revelation" Also sanctification by the Spirit.

Now when we function as a group we function as the body with Christ being the head.

Diversity comes by lack of spiritual growth and also by tares amongst us.

Also there has always been leaven in our midst.

I believe a believer is best Identified by his fruit!

Not his/her position,

NOT how busy they seem to be.

Not leadership "appointed or self appointed"

Not their ability at all but the fruit of the Spirit. And when we function it should be the body following the head.

In this manner.

Ephesians 4:1-12

The Church started off this way in Acts 2.

But soon tares and leaven started to creep in.

However we shouldn't be dismayed by the present condition because it was spoken of by several of the inspired authors.

On another hot topic that I personally pulled out of because of lack of interest and potential tension.

I will be posting hoping for replies on ones Millennium/end times view in detail.

For instance I've seen one reply where it was said there is no interval between the 69th week and the 70th week.

They believe in a literal Millennium and the rapture is at the end of the world during judgment. And they reference Matthew 24.

It's one thing to put your "stamp of approval" on ones viewpoints its another thing to explain your own.

God bless you.

Boniface Ugwu:

Spiritual transformation is coming to the truth of God's words. YOU ARE controlled by the Holy Spirit, transformation comes when you agree with God. THE WORD.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh IN YOU (God's body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you ......

John 14:6 I AM TRUTH ..... I AM LIFE .......

You are just the body of truth and life, and Christ is truth and life.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the BODY OF CHRIST ....

Ephesians 4:4 One spirit (life eternal) .....One body (creation, you and I, where truth and life dwell).....

God Bless You (his body) with truth and life.

Hi Aljenon.

I would say the spirit.

Ephesians 4:4-6. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24.

I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. John 16:28.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, WHICH IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, he hath declared him. John 1:18.

God is spirit, Jesus came forth from that Spirit, and we are baptized by that spirit.

John 17:22-23. ppAnd the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Dear Luke

1 Corinthians 12:7-11

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal(it means the church).

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

To another the working of miracles; to another PROPHESY; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

Ephesians 4:11

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, PROPHETS; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;"

The above gifts and ministries are to work inside the church, the Body of Christ, not outside individually. My opinion...

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Hello Delilah.

I am sorry to make you sad (also others) but I think that my post has been misunderstood.

I don't mean that somebody has to be a scholar to teach or explain the Word of God. Most of the 12 were uneducated people. God selects all sort of people for His purpose, educated and uneducated. Even if somebody on this site has a university degree, I think there are only few that have studied in Bible Schools of have a University Degree in Theological Studies. Many here are educated but in fields foreign to the Word of God, so their education (like mine) is completely useless when studying the Bible.

There are churches that demand a Degree from people to select them as pastors or elders. I know some. Not my church. The pastor in my church repairs cars for a living and many elders are just simple workers in factories.

Any person can be selected by God to become a minister. But be careful, A MINISTER. If it was adequate for a believer to stay and study only on their own, why did God place ministries in the church? The answer is so clear in Ephesians 4:11-15. Please read those verses carefully. They say that the work to teach and explain the Word of God is given by God to the church, to the ministers. Of course God reveals to everybody His Word to a various extent, but those revelations are to be worked inside the church, not individualy outside the church. God has placed an order, an hierarchy. A Body.

What I wanted to point out is the wrong attitude many christians have that they think the church can be substituted by a one- person-church. So they go like this. Me "PLease God what does that mean...?" God "Well child, that means..". This is a wrong attitude, it doesn't work like this. Or it works to an extent, the main preaching is through the church. It is not good for us to stay alone, we must inegrate ourselves in a congregation we choose we 'd like to be members of.

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Hello dear brothers/sisters.

Some thoughts...

John 14:26

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you".

The above verse is often misinterpreted by many christians mainly in the reborn section of christianity, since the main stream denominations have a solid and unchangable theology(R or W). Many believers take the above verse especially the phrase "he (the Holly Spirit) shall teach you all things" as something that happens personally to individuals. So they(we) think that every thought, explanation, interpretation,etc that pops in our mind is literally given by the Spirit. We claim that we have a genuine love to understand the Word of God, so God replies back to our search for His truth, by revealing His truth to every person that looks for that Truth. But is that so? Does that is that is meant by the above verse? Well, not really. If that was the case then everybody would come to the same result. But what we see in practice is that there are so many and so much different beliefs between us that they are often like the day infront of night. But why? Isn't God's Word not right? Isn't that a promise from God? So what is happening? We often attribute the various beliefs to a non genuine love for the truth, manipulating verses to fit our own ideas, ignorance sometimes of the Word of God and many other that we like to think that others do, not us.

The truth is that the above verse is applicable TO THE CHURCH, not to any individual. God has placed the ministries in the church like pastors, teachers, apostles, evangelists, prophets to ... Ephesians 4:12-14 "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ ...".

The birth of the Apostles.

UPON THIS ROCK I SHALL BUILD MY CHURCH.

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

And Simon Peter answered and said, THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. Matthew 16:15-16

Ephesians 2:19-20 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

And are built upon the FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, Jesus Christ himself being the chief CORNER STONE;

In Luke 6:13 we see that Jesus chose who he would name Apostles.

"And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

The question is when did the disciples start operating in the office of Apostles?

When was the foundation laid?

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

Are we capable of building with gold, silver and precious stone without the dwelling of the Holyspirit?

We do know in Matthew 28:16-17 even after Jesus resurrected the disciples still doubted.

"Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted."

In Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus commissioned them to go out to all the world but not to depart from Jerusalem until they were filled with the Holyspirit.

Acts 1:4-5. Luke 24:49.

I believe not until they were filled with the Spirit that rock the church was built on begun. The disciples began to function in the office as Apostles.

Ephesians 4:10-12. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

AND HE GAVE SOME, APOSTLES; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

He didn't do this until he ascended.

God bless.

John 3:7, John 3:15-21, 1Peter 1:23, John 3:5-8, 2Corinthians 5:17, Ezekiel 36:26, Galatians 6:15, Ephesians 4:24, Luke 9:23, Matthew 16:24,

1Corinthians 6:9-11,

Hopefully these are helpful

Praise the Lord young lady continue to let God use you, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The Trinity one God existing in three coequals

Perhaps the questions arise because of teachings not actually in scripture.

John 17, Please read whole chapter, Isaiah 11:1,2, John 3:16, Matthew 10:32,33,

Ephesians 4:30, Luke 11:13, Ephesians 1:1-13, Ephesians 1:17-23, Matthew 24:35,36,

John 14:26, John 16:7,

Hopefully these are helpful

To the saints on this site:

1 Corinthians 4:5 speaks volume to us since saints understand the mysteries revealed to the faithful and Romans 1:6 & Romans 8:28. For saints know Isaiah 5:20. We are where we are today. God is so great to allow us to do things in life in our own free will where in the end The Glory belongs to God. God allowed me to have worked with great scientists in America with great heart. I do not need to understand and question everything at the spare of the moment. I just know the paths God lead me in was not to question authorities in the land. God has the heavenly plans and those are what I am and every saint must be very excited about. When you walk in the Spirit of God, you are like in a trance. Next thing you know someone tells you on earth job well done. Not to boast but again and again to Glorify God because He helped you to do job well done. I can control only me and hopefully have a strong influence with my family and friends and anybody that touches my life to follow God as I walk the walk and talk the talk. Even 1 Timothy 5:4 saints take it to heart. All is good with God James 1:17 and all are Your's 1 Corinthians 3:21-23. I know It is easy said and done here on earth. We all have afflictions and to some unbearable 2 Corinthians 6:4. I thank God for the blood of Jesus Christ for that power is in everyone who put his trust, faith and believe in that He will never leaves you. Psalms 91 memorize!

The Spirit speaks to you 1 Peter 3:13, 3 John 1:11. Be in Spirit so you can 1 Thessalonians 5:21 and 1 Thessalonians 5:15. Philippians 2:13 and Ephesians 1:9. Saints, Ephesians 4:29

There are more heavenly things I can share but I like to inspire you with this testimony Colossians 1:27. Let us all grow in true Charity 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, the bond of perfectness Colossians 3:14. In conclusion 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18. Happy Sunday with the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace and peace to ALL.

Righteous Anger / Christian Disciplines / by Oliver

Many people are surprised that Jesus showed anger in this way, although Jesus was very patient and taught to turn the other check, there is also a time for righteous anger, and Jesus demonstrated this against the money changers.

There are times when you are wronged and get to turn the other cheek, but there are also moments when you see an injustice in the world and we as Christians can fight against it.

Jesus was upset with those using the Temple, his father's house, to cheat people.

In today's world, we see injustices like human trafficking or abuse. We know these occurrences are wrong and go against what the Bible says, this gives us the opportunity to fight against these injustices.

Jesus is perfect, he never sinned. He was not sinning when he was angry in the Temple. We see Jesus as an example of righteous anger.

In your anger do not sin.

Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

27 Neither give place to the devil.

Christian Disciplines / by Oliver

S. Spencer. A great statement I was told years ago everything gives off or

Displays something so I think of Ephesians 4:29 when I think about that

Statement also James 3:13-17. No one cares how much you now until

You show how much you care.

Hopefully these help explain: John 17, Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:4,5, 1Corinthians 10:17, 1Corinthians 12:12,13, Galatians 3:26-29, 1Timothy 2:5, Romans 5:19, Colossians 1:12-22,

Amen Brother.

Ephesians 5:1-2. BE YE THEREFORE FOLLOWERS OF GOD, AS DEAR CHILDREN;

AND WALK IN LOVE, AS CHRIST ALSO HATH LOVED US, AND HATH GIVEN HIMSELF for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Isn't that amazing Love! Christ did this whilst we were yet sinners! Ye didn't say only if you straighten yourself up I will die for you.

He died in our place while we were yet sinning.

He made salvation possible for the worst sinners ever, To all who come to him!

Paul says "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

be ye therefore followers of God as dear children and walk in love as Christ has also loved us and hath given himself. Ephesians 4:32-5:1-2.

Her we see Love, Mercy, forgiveness, kindness displayed by the Lord.

We can't achieve this on our own. This comes by being connected to the true vine! John 15.

This is NOT expected from the world but if you are a child of God you should be able to exhibit this, especially amongst brothern.

This is not saying you shouldn't rebuke an apparent apostate.

I'm saying a supposed brother shouldn't display hatred towards another brother over doctrine, especially when that doctrine holds truth.

It reminds me of John 8:43-47.

You may not agree with someone when they speak truth but the spirit in you want cause you to hate the one that speaks it! And likewise if they're not.

1 John 4:20.

God bless brother.