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1 Chronicles 28:7 Moreover I will establish his kingdom for ever, [if] he be [constant] to [do] my commandments [and] my judgments, as at this day.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and [keepeth not] his commandments, [is a liar], and [the truth is not in him].

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they [that keep] the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Exodus 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to [keep] my commandments and [my laws?]

Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, [if] we observe to [do all] these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

1 Kings 8:61 Let your heart therefore be [perfect] with the LORD our God, to [walk] in his statutes, and to [keep] his commandments, as at this day.

Psalms 119:21 Thou hast rebuked the [proud] that are [cursed], which [do err] from thy commandments.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and [keep] his commandments: for this is the [whole duty] of man.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we [keep] his commandments, and [do] those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24 And he that [keepeth] his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Deuteronomy 11:28 And a [curse], if ye will [not obey] the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Proverbs 4:4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: [keep] my commandments, and [live].

Proverbs 10:8 The [wise] in heart [will] receive commandments: but a [prating fool shall fall].

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are [they] that [do] his commandments, that [they] may have right to the tree of life, and [may enter] in through the gates into the city.

When we read the whole chapter, we see the context and truth. Look at the very next verse: "Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: FOR CHILDHOOD AND YOUTH ARE VANITY." This is great example of how foolish it is to take a single verse out of context to mean anything we want. We do not have the Spirit of Christ if we do that.

Look what God tells us when we read the final 2 verses of Ecclesiastes - He literally tells us our ENTIRE duty as men and women.

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

How easy it is to miss the truth when we take a single verse out of context to mean whatever we want.

Adam was alive spirit, soul, body; until he and Eve ate the fruit. In Genesis 3:22 we see the Godhead conversing about how to protect the Tree of Life. It's not where it was, now: Revelation 22:2.

Since it's written, by God: all souls are mine.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the Earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 3:21.

New Testament Scriptures on Christian spirits: Hebrews 12:23, Luke 23:46; Matthew 22:32, 1 Thessalonians 5:10,

1 Peter 3:18, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8

John 17-24, Philippians 1:21-24

Acts 7:55-56, Acts 7:59, Genesis 35:18

Love to all. Mishael

I'm very familiar w/the 70 weeks of Daniel. Daniel 9th Chapter. The 3 half years out of a week is talking about a prophetic week & a literal week. Jesus was cut off/killed in the midst of a prophetic week AND a literal week, What we know as a Wednesday. So he didn't finish his ministry. Jesus came to testify about what was written in the Old Testament. He taught 3 half years and was killed & that ended the animal sacrificial law.



(So when I said he will teach natural born Israel in the wilderness 3 half yrs upon his return, that other 3 half years makes the 7yrs which represents a full week of his ministry. 7 years is a prophetic week. (please reference the story of Jacob and Rachel in Genesis 29:16-27 to understand what I mean by this. (7yrs is 1 week)

In Daniel 10 (For Jesus to have been annointed the "Messiah" was 69 weeks, which left 1 more week (7yrs) a prophetic week.)(This about Jesus, Jerusalem, and the children of Israel, not the anti-Christ nor a 7yr tribulation. Jesus was annointed the Messiah in 26A.D(69 weeks) and cut off in 30 A.D. (70th week/7yrs/7th week)

Revelation 12:1;6;14 (This is talking about natural born Israel in the place of safety(The Wilderness) during the Great Tribulation. 3 1/2 yrs.

On Paul and John. II Corinthians 12:2 (Jesus was the ONLY man who was on earth then caught up to the 3rd heaven. So Paul is talking about how he saw Jesus in his spiritual body. Paul is not talking about himself. And John saw a vision of the Throne. He was not physically there.



John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven but he who ascended out of heaven. (if any man other than Jesus is in heaven right now then Jesus lied; he cannot lie so we should all know the dead is still dead and their spirit is not conscious in heaven presently able to communicate with any being).

Psalms 104:23; 28-29 Man dies/returns to the dust. Ecclesiastes 12:1;5;7 Man goes back to the dust;his spirit goes to God. (spirit is simply the breath of life).

Chris,

Concerning "where do our souls go after we die."

I see it basically the same way you do.

I try to always make it a point to use Scripture to back up Scripture (as you do); otherwise, I don't have much to say.

I use the parable of the rich man and Lazarus to justify that our bodies return to dust, and our "spirit returns to God Who gave it" ( Ecclesiastes 12:7).

I am hoping and praying that I am on the right side of the gulf waiting with Abraham and Lazarus and the others that have made it ( Luke 16:26).

Chris,

You bring up some interesting points.

I would like to ask a few questions.

If it is true that "our spiritual change was accomplished at our repentance and re-birth at the foot of the cross," then do you believe "once saved, always saved"? I have not found that understanding to be in Scripture.

You also state that "This is purely a bodily change as will occur to those who "sleep in Christ." Do you believe that no person that has already died is in heaven with God and Jesus? If they are in heaven, do they have any "garments" ( Revelation 16:15) on?

You are correct concerning 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 being the same (end-time teaching), however, they cover death (rendered "sleep") from a slightly different angle.

The lesson we are given in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 has to do with a question posed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:12 concerning, in general, "the resurrection of the dead" ( 1 Corinthians 15:12). If you believe that Christ rose from the dead, then those that (have already) sleep / die / pass on, are already with Him, ( 1 Corinthians 15:13), also look at John 3:12, Romans 8:6.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Paul states that "We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent (Strong's #5348- precede) them which are asleep (dead). Why? Because they are already dead: This is why "the dead in Christ shall rise first" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16). So, "If we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them which sleep (have already died) in Jesus will God bring with Him (at the 7th trump)" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:14). The dead are not in a hole in the Ground, they are with the Father the moment they pass ( Ecclesiastes 12:6-7). Ecclesiastes 12:7 is the O.T. reference as to why Paul states "By the word of the Lord" in 1 Thessalonians 4:14.

It is for man kind to be born in the flesh. When we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and repent often of our sins , strive to do better and reflect the love of God. At our passing it's written the flesh returns to dust from which it came and our soul Returns to Father. Ecclesiastes 12:7.

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Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Praise God! first and fore most I would like to appreciate all of us who actively participated in every comments we have been going through. Mind you, for those who have taken this page for granted the bible says in the book of Ecclesiastes 12:14 that" For God will bring every deed into judgment,with every secret thing, whether good or evil" and we should give account of each and every we deed to fellows or the Holy spirit! God bless you all in Jesus' name.

Hi Chris, just noticed your comment...

>If I seek to obey any of God's Laws, including the Sabbath, then I am judged by the Law & voluntarily exempt myself from salvation by Grace & not the Law.

Jesus disagrees with this in John 14:15. Jesus directly says if you love him you will keep his commandments (law). If you don't obey, then you don't love Jesus. If someone doesn't love or follow Jesus then they likely won't be invited to spend eternity with Him in heaven.

James 2 explains how grace and works work together. Its possible what you were trying to say is actually from James 2:10, but it doesn't say what you wrote. If you read on it clearly supports doing good works. No where in the Bible does it say we're NOT supposed to obey God or Jesus. It says the opposite throughout.

I watch out for anyone claiming good works are 'bad', as if following Jesus and his commands are bad. But somehow that not worrying about following Jesus's commands is 'ok' despite the exact words Jesus said that say the opposite. Ecclesiastes 12:13 Calling good bad sounds awfully familiar as if it comes a deceiver.

If you pursue Christ you are a Christian under grace, but following Him is an activity involving effort. It's not human effort that saves anyone, but it should be the natural fruit of loving Jesus. Many call themselves Christians and don't love Jesus, because they don't obey, and they will be surprised in the end just as Jesus predicted: Revelation 3:16 and Matthew 7:21 and Hebrews 10:26.

Only the Father knows the day of the Rapture.

When is the fullness of the Gentiles complete? Romans 11:25-36

Matthew 24:36, 42, 44

Mark 13:32

Acts 1:11

And now a reminder: Ecclesiastes 12:9-14

Kathy, Bendito has given you some great & pertinent Scriptures on life after death. I thought to just give you one more, that confirms further in MY heart of my instantaneous removal from this body & from this Earth at time of death. The Scripture is in 2 Corinthians 5:1-8. Paul speaks of his longing to put off this body of flesh (i.e. to die & "to be with Christ, which is far better") & be clothed with a new body. And Paul goes on to say, that he can confidently say that whilst he was here on Earth it meant that he wasn't physically with his Lord in Heaven; rather, he says, he was "willing to be absent in the body & present with the Lord". This means that when he dies, his body would be left behind, but his spirit would instantly return to the Lord (also Ecclesiastes 12:7). There is no suggestion of some delay from death to eternity; Paul strongly writes that the transition from earth to heaven (for the Christian), or from death to eternal life is instantaneous. This was his hope & longing and of course, the great desire of every child of God still alive now.

I believe there are unique times of fearing God & serving God. Sometimes the fear of God is to fear His wrath that will influence people to serving Him. I believe a heathy fear of God is important, like serving a righteous Father that is a God of justice: Psalms 2:11 , Psalms 5:7 , Psalms 15:4 , Psalms 25:14 , Psalms 34:11 , Proverbs 1:7 , Ecclesiastes 12:13, Ephesians 6:5 ,
I love the Scripture Bob quoted 'perfect love casts out all fear' but that is what Jesus did in action & it's what we do when we LOVE Him, we trust Him through all fear, because He is faithful. Psalms 23:4 , Psalms 27:3 , Psalms 33:18 , Psalms 49:5
Be encouraged, Jude 1:24
I pray God lead you to a good Church

Speaking of death, Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it Ecclesiastes 12:7 . Death is a state of temporary unconsciousness while the person awaits the resurrection. It is called "sleep", not Paradise. All genuine Christians, I think, are hopeful of entering the Pearly gates of Heaven.

Obedience to god is the whole duty of man Ecclesiastes 12:12 , disobedience to god results in the wages of sin which is death Romans 6:23 . Obedience to god is eternal life through Jesus Christ. In his name there is remission of sins and forgiveness of sins Acts 2:38

Strong men are bones. Grinders are teeth. Windows are eyes. Ears are low. Almond tree is grey hair. Grasshopper is children. Silver cord is the spirit. Golden bowl is the saint. These are supposed to be in parenthesis in my text but the website does not allow them.

Strong men bones shall bow. Grinders teeth cease and are few. Windows eyes be darkened. Sound of grinding ears is low. Almond tree grey hair shall flourish. Grasshopper children shall be a burden. Silver cord spirit be loosed. Golden bowl saints be brokened. Remember thy creator in your youth and keep his commandments. Amen.

worthlessness

I believe we are to only seek out this inspired book of God. Which is enough to last anyone a life time seeking Him . I believe, God reveals His word unto us when He know we are ready to receive. Have you ever read a Scripture more than once and you get a revelation of Wow!? verified by precepts OP Because of sin and faulty of men. I believe God wants us to focus on one book to avoid heresy.

I like this summary a lot.

The grinders are few and the windows are darkened means you lose teeth and your eyesight grows dim. The words of the wise are as goads, pointing and poking you in the right direction as an animal poked with a stick or a mother with a ruler. If you can't read all the books of the bible, remember that the whole duty of man is to keep his commandments.

34, Jesus knew, because of sin we became unfit and useless for GOD s purpose. We lost the purpose we were created for, see Ecclesiastes 12:13. But GOD through Jesus, see John 3:16-21, again makes available GOD s purpose available to you and I, plus, through Jesus SALVATION is available to us., thereby we can be at the Marriage-Supper-Of-the-Lamb, Revelation 19:9.

the song writer said: "Must Jesus bear the cross alone, and all the world go free, NO, there is a cross for everyone and there is a cross for me". .... by the power of GOD may we be Faithful till we Rest in HIM.

Good to be of service

Evette Clark, it also means emptiness, untruth. Fruitless desire, or endeavor.

Vanity: the quality of being worthless or futile excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements. I think it means that Solomon felt our life on earth seemed insignificant compared to what's really important. We come from dust and return to dust when we die, such a short existence. James 4:14 says our life is a vapor.

I came in my office feeling very low about my looks and age. I asked God to give me a word. I received my word. God is so real Thank You Lord

Ecclesiastes 12:13, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, John 14:15, Matthew 19:16, Hebrews 10:26, 1 jOHN 2:3, 1 Peter 2:21, Psalms 111:10, Luke 1:6, Psalms 19:7, proverbs 6:23, Psalms 40:8, over and over and over, keep the commandments. DON'T LET THEM FOOL YOU. If you go to judgement w o works you can be finished!! while w you will be fine!! You should jump to want to do w o being commanded.

The laws statues, commandments, were only given to the Israelites, Romans 9:1-5, Salvation is only for the Israelites Luke 1:68-75, you must walk in faith and works James 2:22. The new Kingdom is for Israel, Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8:8. To get eternal life you must do the commandments of God Matthew 19:16, 1 John 5:3, John 14:15, Ecclesiastes 12:13. God hates the sinners Ecclesiasticus 12:6.

YES WE MUST LIVE THIS LIFE UNTO GOD WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS IF EVEER THERE IS TIME FOR MAN TO GET RIGHT WITH GOD IS NOW FOR HIS COMING IS NEAR AMAN