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Hi Claire, just on a different matter. You had asked me some questions recently & I mentioned that I would start a new thread & give you my response. But I've checked there, & you haven't responded so I think you have not seen them.

When you click on the Discussion Tab, you will need to scroll down all the comments until you see my name & then there'll be a new thread addressing you (there'll be a total of five pages) & it would be probably be a day old now. So you won't get an email for KJB Online to that effect as it's a new Thread. Just thought to mention this in case you felt I was being slack in my response.

Thanks Rob, if there is any room for doubt, I agree with you that we should stick with what the Word says. For example, there is a tendency for some Christians to believe that Adam & Eve were not the only two humans created at first & there were other humans created simultaneously or even a pre-Adamic race. Since the Word does not even suggest these possibilities, I find it prudent to leave it as declared & would, in a discussion, raise the question of sin's production or its transmission to other races.

Yet, the whole counsel of God, as revealed to mankind, is found in His Word & He expects us to understand it, search it & formulate our beliefs & practises based on it - or else, the Word would just be another history book or novel. Whatever I share here or when ministering the Word elsewhere is really on my understanding of the Word when I put it altogether with the light given me. If someone else has another understanding, I welcome it, but in a good discussion or debate, one must give a good defence of one's interpretation. If I have given wrongly, please point it out with other Scriptures so that I can consider your understanding better. Where you have given Scriptures, they have been very useful, yet other Scriptures are available to present another side of the doctrine/teaching. It does take quite some searching, prayer, & understanding to know the mind of God over a matter. Thank you again for your time.

Hi Chris,

Thank you for sharing the scriptures & the questions with me & explaining how it all fits together. It's a pity my Bible doesn't do that because it would make things a lot easier to understand. I feel really blessed to have all these spirit filled Brothers & Sisters on the King James bible online dot org taking time out of their daily lives to help & encourage newer Christians like me. I'm not that good at Auditory style learning, so I struggle to sit through long sermons & long prayers. I'm more Visual & Kinaesthetic, So having the right scriptures laid out in front of me & explained in black & white makes it so much easier to sink in. Praise God for everyone's continued support. God is so good !!!

God bless you & your family.

Kind regards

Claire

Comments about y Jesus was born, th birth of JESUS was just a metaphor that he was gonna be born in all of humanity,Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man, the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed in man hearts that it might intiate a birth of CHRIST IN HUMANITY mankind. Thus an Israel of God The reason Issac was born a type of CHRIST so that there wd be a natural Israel, But God found fault with natural ISRAEL, God wanted a Perfect Israel,one that wd come out of his own loins, his own seed etc th seed of CHRIST the living word. Ya gotta realize that Jesus sows a much greater seed then Abraham th seed of abraham brought forth humans but the seed of CHRIST will bring forth Gods in humans,to whom the word that heavenly seed came that good seed it made them Gods which is the Israel of God. th H.G. plural. Just as abrahams seed became as the sands of the seas, the seed of CHRIST is gonnabe as the stars of heaven in multitude,Thus the sower and his precious seed the living Word ( multiplication of his seed etc ) Now unto Abraham and his seed were the promises made but he said not unto seed plural ( natural Israel ) but unto 1 seed which is Christ th ISRAEL OF GOD A PERFECT ISRAEL. Thus its Christ that is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven, th Israel of God,Thus the woman with CHILD, humanity being bornagain of an incorruptible seed etc.This is what GOD hand in mind all alone.God truly loved natural Israel but he told Nic. a jew he had to be bornagain. Nic needed to birth anew innerman one that did not carry the stain n spot of adam which is the H.G. TH ISRAEL OF God,Thats y Jesus said that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT THATS TH H.G TH ISRAEL OF GOD. Our new heart and new spirit for behold i make all things new. Thats y JESUS was born that he might go forth and sow his seed in humanity producing an Israel of God a perfect being that did not carry the stain and the spot of adam, thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed.

Hi there !

I will hold to the written word of what God actually did !

Unless you can prove you know more than God and can counsel him !

Comments by Alex about y Jesus was born and died we all know it was the blood of the lamb that God wanted to cover the sins of the world But there is a 2 nd facet about his birth,A hidden facet, that was hid from the world which was multiplication of his seed that mankind might be like God by a new birth via his seed etc. The hidden facet is there is a child attached to his death n resurrection, That we all might birth a baby Christ in our hearts a new innerman a lil one, our own hi PRIEST IS GONA BE BORN IN US. Thats y he always calls himself the son of man,mankind is gona birth his own hi Priest within himself,thats y the good seed is sown in our hearts, know ye not this parable how then will you know ( understand ) all parables. Thats y he said these things are HID from the wise n prudent but revealed unto babes,( the babes and sucklings ) his offspring that are spirits th H.G. PLURAL TH CHILDREN OF PROMISE. Everytime he refered to himself as the SON OF MAN he was trying to tell us somethin, but he had to be careful as these things were hid till the woman, th world gives birth, th 2 nd coming,unless ya receive the kingdom of God as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in thus the true rapture is when we are bornagain of that incorruptible seed producing a lil Child in US which is the H.G. th Kingdom of GOD COMING WITH IN US VIA HIS SEED THE WORDS OF THAT BOOK, SEE THE RAPTURE,THAT CATCHING AWAY VIA HIS SEED.the kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace in the H.G. thus the H.G is the kingdom of God, unless ya receive the kingdom of God as a lil child etc impling bapt. of the H.G.The woman in Rev. 12 was raptured when she birth the child,her body didn't go any where but her spirit was caught up to God and to his throne,in v 10 John says now is come salvation and the kingdom of God, n the power of his Christ. she was in heaven waring with satan thus she was raptured spritually speaking. Unless ya receive the kingdom of God as a lil child.

To understand Acts 10:38, we need to look at the event it refers to, i.e. Matthew 3:13-17.

Three Questions: Why was Jesus baptized? Why did the Holy Spirit come upon Him? Why did God speak from Heaven?

1. Jesus didn't need water baptism ( Mt 3:15) as that baptism by John was for a demonstration of one's acknowledgement & repentance for sins (not like Believers' Baptism today which is identification with the death & resurrection of Christ). John himself said that it was he that needed Jesus's baptism, which was not a water baptism but a spiritual one ( Mt 3:11).

2. Jesus didn't need the Holy Spirit to come upon Him or in Him - he was sinless, filled with the Divine in the womb, birthed from God's Seed without human contribution & using Mary as the vehicle to bring His Son into the world with flesh & blood. Jesus was later tempted by Satan to sin & to receive a sin nature but He withstood him with the Word of God, His Own Authority.

3. God could have remained silent during this time, but He chose to speak from Heaven.

What do these events tell us? It was the inauguration of Jesus' Ministry on Earth taking Him all the way to the Cross. His baptism identified Him in His priestly role ( Exodus 29:4, Leviticus 8:6) through priestly washing & also pointed in a faint manner, His prophesied death & resurrection, to which all who put their trust in Him would replicate by identification.

Then two more confirmations from Heaven for the benefit of those around to Jesus' Life & Work: the Spirit descended upon Him confirming His priestly position through an anointing ( Exodus 29:7, Leviticus 8:12) & God's verbal confirmation of Who Jesus is & acceptance of His position & work, as was in the days of Moses & Aaron ( Exodus 29:42-46).

Jesus came to fulfil a high priestly role that no earthly high priest could fulfil ( Hebrews 7:11-28) & all that took place at the Jordan, pointed to Jesus as sent from Heaven to make full payment for sin - no priest could ever do that.

Verse 38

Here we see God anointing Jesus for service with the Holy Spirit .

Gods in Control over the other two , no surprise to me .

If all three where equally God this never would have needed to happen .

Yes God is sovereign in all things .

Acts 10:34

Hi Rich,

My pastor said that the most important thing to bear in mind is that scripture interprets scripture and that the context is important too. He said that the scripture's that I showed him are often misunderstood, and don't mean what I think they mean. He said that salvation cannot be lost, just like God's promises cannot be broken. I think the fact that I have not been baptised yet and that I am the only Christian in my family is also adding to my uncertainty. It says in

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I think the fact that nobody from my church believes that that the spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues are for all Christians, and that those gifts were only for Jesus disciples. The church that I went to previously had a number of people that speak in tongues, so because I disagree with that, I just feel unsure if he is wrong about these scriptures too.

Also, I am sure that I have read that we can no longer sin once we have been saved, yet I have used curse words a few times and taken the name of the Lord are God in vain since becoming a Christian mostly in my head, but also out loud on a few occasions.

This is amazing that God filled Jesus with the Holy Spirit, with power...This is so powerful to me!!

14. Head of the Church - "And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church." Eph. 1:22

15. Holy Servant - "and grant that Your bond-servants may speak Your word with all confidence, while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus." Acts 4:29-30

16. I Am - "Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58

17. Immanuel - "She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.'" Is. 7:14

18. Indescribable Gift - "Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift." 2 Cor. 9:15

19. Judge - "he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead." Acts 10:42

20. King of Kings - "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful." Rev. 17:14

21. Lamb of God - "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" John 1:29

22. Light of the World - "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12

23. Lion of the Tribe of Judah - "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals." Rev. 5:5

24. Lord of All - "For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Phil. 2:9-11

25. Mediator - "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Tim. 2:5

26. Messiah - "We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ)." John 1:41

First, the apostles preached to the gentiles, one was Philip with the Ethiopian Eunuch and he did baptise him, Acts 8:26-40. Second Peter to the centurion named Cornelius and his family and baptised them. Peter had the vision with the unclean foods and that represented the gentiles, Acts 10:1-11:18 and also Acts 15:7. The disciples held a meeting in regards to how gentile converts were to live their lives after conversion because of the Judaizers read the whole of Acts 15 and you will see this and stress on verse 23 where the letter reads to be from the apostles to the gentiles. Also read about the Rabbinic Curse. Christ sent His disciples to the world to preach and baptise, Matt 28:18-20.

Chris,

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As Paul states in Hebrews 4:11: "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS."

When did God rest? The 7th day.

When did Jesus rest? The 7th day.

When did the Apostles rest AFTER CHRIST DIED? The 7th day.

Was Peter wrong for observing the health laws laid out by God in the book of Leviticus well AFTER Christ had died? Why was he following these laws if ALL had been fulfilled in Christ ( Acts 10:12)?

God explained what is clean and unclean. Did Christ make all unclean food clean again? Answer: No. But I am not going to judge a new Christian (in meat) for eating a ham sandwich; however I will politely and gently point him to Leviticus 11.

"ALL" has not been fulfilled, therefore the LAW still exists. ( Matthew 5:18).

The student of God's word needs to be clear as to what "ORDINANCES" ( Ephesians 215, Colossians 2:14) have been taken out of the way (such as blood sacrifice) and what LAWS (7th day, health) are still in effect.

To answer your questions:

All believers look to take one day off a week, per order of God. I don't think anyone is condemned for trying to understand it as clearly as possible. As I said over and over, I am not the judge and ignorance is not a sin.

Could the 7th day vs. the 1st day be, as you state, "a possible divider of those that are granted eternal life from those that are rejected," I would reply that the ONLY thing that will not be forgiven you in the flesh is if you reject the Holy Spirit from speaking through you if and when the time comes.

On a side note Chris, I appreciate your feedback and I am amazed at your ability to respond to various people at the same time. These comments and replies take me forever to generate.

Praise God, in acts 10:11 peter said unto Cornelius and his men that God is a respector of no man but if he fear him and worketh righteousness God will accept him. No one is entitled to anything from God but because he's faithful, because he's just, because he's a merciful a gracious father he gives favour unto those who honour him. He's the God of all gods, the beginning and the ending, the great I Am that I am. He holds all in his hands he's in control, when he opens a door for they who fear him and honour him nothing can close that door. We who are so weak, clothed in garment of flesh the Lord find favours in because we honor him. Praise God, all things are for the glory of him, all we do and all we say should be unto him, with that open door whilst its unto us as a gift for our loyalty it's also for his glory so we as his children should bring glory unto his name always. Matthew 5:11-14 we are the salt of the earth and if salt loses its flavour it's tossed out and trampled, it's good for nothing, we are the Light of the earth, a city on a hill cannot be hid. As the salt of the earth and the Light of the world where ever our heavenly father opens the door we must continue to flavour and continue to shine so others might see and glorify our father who art in heaven in Jesus Christ name.

God bless you my dear

I still all believers to experience the infilling of the HolyGhost by the evidence of speaking with other tongues Tongues are your evidence that God has put His Spirit within you ( Acts 2:4; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:17; Acts 10:44-46; Acts 19:6) I am referring to the outpouring of the HolyGhost that happened in the book of Acts and was prophesied in Joel 2:28. I am not referring to the gift of tongues, one of the nine gifts that Apostle Paul was teaching the Corinthians. I have experienced the infilling of the HolyGhost by the evidence of speaking with other tongues. The church at Corinth were out of order and Paul wrote them to establish order in the church because they were misusing this particular gift. He taught in I Corinthians not only about tongues but communion, the order of creation, etc. Paul did not forbid them from speaking in tongues,but rather that ye prophesy. Tongues edifies the believer, unless he can interpret so that the church can be edified. Prophesy edifies the body of Christ. I certainly agree with you as it relates to the edifying of the church. I have experienced both in my lifetime. The gifts of the Spirit are in the church today and they operate through people. Paul taught on the correct use of them in the church. No, all are not apostles, nor prophets, nor teachers or workers of miracles. But all can receive the gift of the HolyGhost. The HolyGhost allows believers to operate in the capacity that you are referencing. I do not know what churches you visited where people are out of order. But when God is in control, people will be in order. The initial infilling of the HolyGhost was what I was talking about, not necessarily the gift of tongues. Without the gift of the HolyGhost, you won't be using the utilizing the gift of tongues.

Carlos ...

Peter and Paul did NOT preach the same thing!

NO WAY!

Peter's preaching . . .

Acts 10:42-43

And he commanded us to preach unto the people (Jews), and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Paul's preaching . . .

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Paul's salvation message is nothing like Peter's!

That is a FACT!

Killing an animal is not a sin, as long as it is killed for food & not for sport or for a trophy. Animals, along with plants have been given to us by God for food. See Gen 9:2, Ex 12; Jn 21:12,13; Acts 10:9-15 are some examples.

Can I say my Brothers, by the Word, it does seem water baptism does matter, there is a correct way, and in whose name we do know.

Acts 10:44

"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word."

Acts 10:48| View Chapter| Context

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

Acts 8:38| View Chapter| Context

And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Both went down into the water and he baptised him.

Matthew 28:19| View Chapter| Context

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Did not even the Lord command us to go and teach all nations baptizing them in His name.

From the Word it is important, from the Word there was a way of doing it, from the Word we have been told to do it.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

The Word is our absolute and that we all agree.

God bless you my Brothers, as for me, in humility to His Word, I want to take it just as He said it or moved His people to write It.

Dennis: this is what the scriptures say about REMISSION of sins.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Luke 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Luke 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Part 3) Peter is saying that it's an unlawful thing, according to the "Rabbi's Rules," for a man that is a Jew, to keep company, or to come into one of another nation; anybody that's not a Jew, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. It's the same thing God showed him about the animals. Now Peter is putting two and two together, because he didn't understand the vision that was given to him.

The section I mentioned, Acts 10:9-16, is referring to animals. It's clear to me that Matthew 15:11 is saying it's not what a person eats that defiles that person. And yes, it's what comes out of the mouth, the evil words that come from a man's heart. That's what defiles the man, not what he eats.

Hi Bob, thanks for sharing that. I will need to break this up in order to respond.

I understand where you are coming from. I did not mention Acts 10:28, but I did take a closer look at it and this is my conclusion. Peter said, you know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come in unto one of another nation;

I see Peter is referring to Gentiles, and he says it is unlawful for a Jew to keep company with a Gentile because the Jews considered them to be "unclean." Gentiles were even referred to as dogs.

Here is something that is important for me in understanding this section of scripture. The word "unlawful" used in Verse 28 has nothing to do with the Torah, the Law given by God to the Jews. It has to do with going against Jewish customs.

It's what is called "The Rabbi's Rules." I love The Rabbi's Rules! They came up with their own laws in light of God's laws. You might say isn't that kind of adding?

Jesse Christ was not talking about the food, rather the men who ate the unclean food as in this scriture.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any MAN man common or unclean.

avoiding unclean food is a health thing, not a salvation issue. You would not believe how many diseases pork can transmit to mankind. The diet laws are actually scientifically sound advice and the creator knew what he was doing.

Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Christians are not bound by the Jewish dietary laws listed in Leviticus Chapter 11. In Acts 10:9-16, Peter was given a vision, and animals of every kind were shown to him, and a voice from heaven saying rise, kill, and eat. Peter thought it was a trick because he believed he still had to abide by the Jewish law, and he couldn't eat anything "unclean." But the voice in Verse 15 says "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."

Now if you stop right there, it gives us a hint as to what this message is all about.

If God calls something clean, we don't call it unclean! He is not undoing the dietary laws. He's not even talking about animals here. But please know this, what God has cleansed, we do not call common. Believers are not bound by any of the Jewish Laws. We have been set free by Christ.

However, we have to be careful with that freedom. True freedom is when we are not only free to do things, but free not to do them, if it causes a brother/sister in Christ to stumble.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: (29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

At the hour above and as it relates to SALVATION, JESUS has returned to the FATHER and JESUS is preparing to return to earth.... so, while all mankind wait for JESUS to return to earth, JESUS has empowered the SAVED with POWER FROM GOD, especially POWER to plant the seed of the GOOD NEWS of JESUS POWER to SAVE a person from the Lake Of Fire / Rev:2015. NOTE verse 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is HE which was ordained of GOD to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To HIM give all the prophets witness, that through HIS NAME whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. See John 3:16-21.

To believe what you just said you'd have to disregard so many parts of the Bible. Just one of the scriptures above proves it, but it doesn't stop there- many scriptures saying no one has extra privileges or salvation above anyone else. Since you're accusing others of believing lies what if you're the one sharing falsehoods? The devil wants to divide people and spread lies. Romans 2:11, Acts 10:34, 1 Peter 1:17, James 2:1-4, Mark 16:15.

By faith, the same way as the Jews. By faith are you saved, it is a gift from God, not by works, lest any man may boast.

I salute water baptism b f the CROSS it was a sign of a greater baptism coming,Thats y the Dove descended on Christ marking him as our sacrficial dove tht had to be washed by running water. the 2 turtle doves of the law was for a leprosy sin. Humanity has a sin nature Christ answers to the dove that had to be killed and his blood sprinkled on the living bird the church ,whom the son set free etc.

Paul knew that water baptism wd made the cross the BLOOD of NO EFFECT thats y he said there was only 1 valid BAPTISM. AS THERE IS ONLY 1 BAPTISM OF Promise which is th h.g. baptism.THATS Y THE LORD WAS SO UPSET WITH PETER rebuking him 3 times with that sheet.All th unclean animals in that sheet was the church that was made clean by the blood of the lamb not water baptism that peter was commanding.