Discuss 2 Samuel 7

Prayers of David

1 Chronicles 28:3 says but God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.

2 Samuel 7:18 to the end of the chapter shows David's response after Nathan the prophet did an about face to his original encouragement for David to build the Temple (house of God). It doesn't state the reason as the Chronicles passage does. Here we see that David's plans were to be tabled for the next generation through his son Solomon. Being the man of God and humility David was he praised God despite what may have seemed like bad news. This perhaps gave him solace after the first son of Bathsheeba died as collateral damage for his sin of getting rid of her original husband and committing adultery with her beforehand. Divine Providence allowed the line of the Messiah to be through this lineage; just as it was with Rahab the "harlot" who was also in the family tree. In terms of answering this prayer we have much detail of the tremendous resources and talents that went into preparations that Solomon would complete but concurrently be involved with while David was still alive.

This prayer is one of the more quoted ones; it will be too much at present to discuss all of David's prayers.

Much of 1 Samuel and beginning of 2 Samuel involve the long and tortuous schizophrenic type (actually demonically influenced) of Saul and David's unfortunate cohabitation. Ever since the story of David slaying Goliath; and the women celebrating David as having done a greater accomplishment than Saul his madness began. His problems began from rebellion and not obeying God fully with slaying the Amalekites; as well as attempting himself to do a sacrifice which only priests were allowed to do. He had already been rejected from the throne but did all he could until his demise to attack David; and occasionally appear to have what was left of sanity; and met David with tears of remorse. I may cover this later

Hi Chris,

Part one.

Thank you for continuing the discussion, I also tremble at His word we are just a spec compared to our God. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 This to me is fulfilled in John 1:1 the word of God in Jesus the Messiah. When Jesus was anointed the Messiah every word that Jesus said was the word of God the word of God in the flesh of His Son. Everything that was created was created by the word of God, not His Son. God said let there be, and it was.

If we read Isaiah 66:1 we cannot imagine how large God can be. He can overwhelm all of what we can imagine. In my human mind, I see His Spirit cover the earth like a dome, omnipresent, it is like an electrical grid that believers plug into, I know that may sound weird.

John 17 I will do my best to show my understanding, this is just before Jesus was going to be nailed to the cross. Verses 1-5 Jesus is praying to the Father about Himself, the Father is God, when we pray, we pray to our Father, and we relate to God as Father, through the Bible Father means God and Jesus said to His Father He is the only true God. In and through Jesus Christ we become sons and daughters of God, so we cry out Abba, Father, Galatians 4:6.

Jesus said He had finished the work the Father had given to Him and Jesus glorified His Father on earth. Jesus is now ready to face death on the cross and fulfilling the law and the prophet's, all of what Scripture had said what He would become, and Jesus was ready to take His place on the right hand of His Father, Isaiah 53:12 Jeremiah 23:5-6 2 Samuel 7:12-13 Psalm 110:4 Psalm 16:10, these are just a few verses that Jesus would have known about Himself.

In Daniel 7:13-14 Daniel had a prophetic vision of Jesus's ascension and God the Father giving His Son Jesus dominion and glory overall and giving Him the kingdom. God showed Daniel this was with God in the beginning, in God's plan but did not come to fruition until Jesus ascended in Acts 1:9.

See part 2.

Hi Rjgil4769.

Genesis 12:2-3 is probably closest and the most popular.

Some try to associate these two verses with the Church along with all the promises and blessings prophesied to Israel. and all the cursings to the Nation Israel.

Antisemitism began in the early Church, as soon as Paul brought the Gospel to the Gentiles.

Some saw the Jews as the Christ killers, even though for this cause he come into the world.

ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and God blessed him!

God blesses the Nation Israel because he is faithful and remembers the Abrahamic covenant that is associated with the Davidic covenant.

A chosen people and a land here on earth is tied to those promises.

When we bless Israel we enlists ourselves as one who believes God also.

God brought Israel alive from a valley of dry bones and yet some say God is done with Israel.

Here's just a few of many verses similar to the answer of your question.

Zechariah 2:8-9.

For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

Zechariah 12:1-9.

Zechariah 14:12.

Psalms 122:6.

The Lord also punished Nations that relished when Israel was being punished by God. Obadiah 1:8-14.

Israel exists today because of promise not faithfulness to God.

They being brought back to the land because of prophetic promises not obedience.

2 Samuel 7:23-24.

God bless.

Jerry.

Part 5.

Who is God? - His Nature

We know certain things to be true of God for one reason: in His mercy He has condescended to reveal some of His qualities to us. God is spirit, by nature intangible ( John 4:24). God is One, but He exists as three Persons-God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ( Matthew 3:16-17). God is infinite ( 1 Timothy 1:17), incomparable ( 2 Samuel 7:22), and unchanging ( Malachi 3:6). God exists everywhere ( Psalm 139:7-12), knows everything ( Psalm 147:5; Isaiah 40:28), and has all power and authority ( Ephesians 1; Revelation 19:6).

Who is God? - His Work

We cannot understand God apart from His works, because what God does flows from who He is. Here is an abbreviated list of God's works, past, present, and future: God created the world ( Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 42:5); He actively sustains the world ( Colossians 1:17); He is executing His eternal plan ( Ephesians 1:11) which involves the redemption of man from the curse of sin and death ( Galatians 3:13-14); He draws people to Christ ( John 6:44); He disciplines His children ( Hebrews 12:6); and He will judge the world ( Revelation 20:11-15).

Who is God? - A Relationship with Him

In the Person of the Son, God became incarnate ( John 1:14). The Son of God became the Son of Man and is therefore the "bridge" between God and man ( John 14:6; 1 Timothy 2:5). It is only through the Son that we can have forgiveness of sins ( Ephesians 1:7), reconciliation with God ( John 15:15; Romans 5:10), and eternal salvation ( 2 Timothy 2:10). In Jesus Christ "all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" ( Colossians 2:9). So, to really know who God is, all we have to do is look at Jesus.

Jerry that is much of what we know about God and that probably don't scratch the surface on GOD!

I HOPE THIS HELPS.

GOD BLESS.

EXAMINING THE COVENANTS.

Part 1.

2 Samuel 7:8-10.

Today we see Israel in their land but there's no throne and there's definitely no peace.

HERE'S HOW JEREMIAH DESCRIBES THAT DAY.

Jeremiah 23:5-8.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

HERE'S ZECHARIAH.

Zechariah 8

Zachariah 8:8 Says "And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in "TRUTH AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS."

That's not what they can claim today.

HERE'S ZECHARIAH.

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. Zechariah 8:23.

In "that day" the nation of Israel will be a vine that bares fruit.

a starch contrast to Ezekiel 36:20 and where they stand today.

Today as a nation Israel currently rejects there King.

However in Genesis 49:1 Jacob bless his sons and give them a prophetic msg for the last days.

I find Genesis 49:8-12 provocative.

This seems to mirror Revelation and a far future Kingdom with Christ on the throne.

Considering the description of the Covenants this earthly Kingdom hasn't happened yet.

God bless.

The Davidic Covenant.

The Davidic Covenant centers on several key promises that are made to David. First, God reaffirms the promise of the land that He made in the first two covenants with Israel (the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants). This promise is seen in 2 Samuel 7:10, "I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore." God then promises that David's son will succeed him as king of Israel and that this son (Solomon) would build the temple. This promise is seen in 2 Samuel 7:12-13, " I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name."

But then the promise continues and expands: "I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever" (verse 13), and "Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever" (verse 16). What began as a promise that David's son Solomon would be blessed and build the temple turns into something different-the promise of an everlasting kingdom. Another Son of David would rule forever and build a lasting House. This is a reference to the Messiah, Jesus Christ, called the Son of David in Matthew 21:9.

The promise that David's "house," "kingdom," and "throne" will be established forever is significant because it shows that the Messiah will come from the lineage of David and that He will establish a kingdom from which He will reign. The covenant is summarized by the words "house," promising a dynasty in the lineage of David; "kingdom," referring to a people who are governed by a king; "throne," emphasizing the authority of the king's rule; and "forever," emphasizing the eternal and unconditional nature of this promise to David and Israel.

Davidic Covenant; Jeremiah 23:5; 30:9; Isaiah 9:7; 11:1; Luke 1:32, 69; Acts 13:34; and Revelation 3:7.

Next.

See Fulfillments.

Abrahamic Covenant.

Part 3.

Centuries after Abraham died, the children of Israel took possession of the land under Joshua's leadership ( Joshua 21:43). At no point in history, though, has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains, therefore, a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. The fulfillment will be more than a matter of geography; it will also be a time of holiness and restoration (see Ezekiel 20:40-44 and 36:1-37:28).

The Abrahamic Covenant also promised many descendants ( Genesis 12:2). God promised that the number of Abraham's children would rival that of "the dust of the earth" ( Genesis 15:16). Nations and kings would proceed from him ( Genesis 17:6). It is significant that the promise was given to an aged, childless couple. But Abraham "did not waver through unbelief" ( Romans 4:20), and his wife Sarah "considered him faithful who had made the promise" ( Hebrews 11:11). Abraham was justified by his faith ( Genesis 15:6), and he and his wife welcomed Isaac, the son of promise, into their home when they were 100 and 90 years old, respectively ( Genesis 21:5).

God reiterates the Abrahamic Covenant to Isaac and to his son Jacob, whose name God changes to Israel. The great nation is eventually established in the land where Abraham had dwelled. King David, one of Abraham's many descendants, is given the Davidic Covenant ( 2 Samuel 7:12-16), promising a "son of David" who would one day rule over the Jewish nation-and all nations-from Jerusalem. Many other Old Testament prophecies point to the blessed, future fulfillment of that promise (e.g., Isaiah 11; Micah 4; Zechariah 8).

See Part 4.

Thanks for sharing the scripture.

Do you believe this is a metaphor or do you actually believe you were physically crucified with Christ around 2,000 years ago.

John 15:5 says Jesus is the vine and "ye are the branches." Do you believe you are actually just a branch? And do you believe Jesus is literally a vine and nothing else?

If those are the metaphors they obviously are, why do you assume ye are gods is not a metaphor in Psalms 82:6? Isn't that cherry picking something to suit your chosen narrative? In the same sentence it also says ye are children, so if this was honestly applied you would then be a literal child? Otherwise its just cherry picking the gods metaphor which could be considered intellectually dishonest. Are Gods children? Do you really believe there's more than one God, despite what so many other scriptures say?

Even the same author of Psalms only 4 chapters later says there's only one God in Psalm 86:10 "thou art God alone". Do you believe this verse just as much the other one you like? How about all the other verses that clearly say there's only one God like 1 Corinthians 8:6, 2 Samuel 7:22, Deuteronomy 4:39, 1 Chronicles 17:20. Why would someone ignore all these but only focus on believing a metaphor in half of one verse is not one instead?

Shouldn't we be using discernment and reading the Bible with an open heart to what God is teaching us rather than the other way around? Just like kings and rulers are called lords (lowercase to show context), gods does not mean God. Anyone who cherry picks and claims they are a god is really deceived and this comes from satan. Satan loves deceiving people in this way and it has his signature all over it. God bless.

Mel8:

There is only ONE "ism": Bapt"ism" in(to) the NAME of Christ (submerged into LIVING WATER); your his wife, he has GIVEN YOU his NAME, you have BECOME ONE, as he and the Father are ONE.

Numbers 6:27 And they shall put MY NAME upon the children of ISRAEL (Christ is the promised SEED of Israel): and I will Bless Them.

2 Samuel 7:13 And He (Christ) shall BUILD a house for MY NAME, and I will establish the throne of the kingdom forever.

Isaiah 43:7 Everyone that is called by MY NAME; for I HAVE CREATED him for MY GLORY, I have formed him, I have made him.

John 17:22 The glory which thou gavest me I have given to them; that they may be ONE as we are ONE.

God Bless YOU!

Hello Naz Williams,

(part 1)

Paul starts off 2 Corinthians by saying "having therefore these promises." What promises? These are promises at the end of Chapter 6. We see in Leviticus 26:12, Isaiah 52:11, and 2 Samuel 7:14, that the promise that God said I will come and I will dwell in you, and I will be your Father, and you will be my children. I will be your God and you will be my people.

Having these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit.

Now these are not technical terms (flesh and spirit). He's talking about realm. Don't pollute by getting involved in the spiritual forces of darkness. There's a spiritual influence over you, and don't get involved in those physical human fleshly things that war against the things of Christ. Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness, that is, contamination of flesh and spirit.

Secondly: perfecting holiness in the fear of God. The word holiness is the word sanctification. He says you've been sanctified. You've been set apart for Christ. And we keep trying in the human social to cross the line and be socially joined and get our social needs met.

But at the same time, Paul is saying that you cannot compromise your walk with the Lord by getting involved in situations and with people that are going to influence your relationship with Christ and affect your effectiveness in your walk with Christ.

So, he says the key here is you've been set apart. God has set you apart. His promise is that He's going to be with you and dwell with you. And He is going to be your God and you are going to be His people. Therefore, perfect, (mature) the sanctification. We are sanctified the very moment that God's Spirit comes into our spirit. In 1 Thessalonians, Paul told the Christians in Thessalonica to walk in your sanctification.

If we the people of the Lord Jesus Christ. would have a heart like King David , quick to repent ,do God's work without complaining,or questioning . We to.could be bless like King David . The Bible says that David was after God's own HEART. Could we just for a moment think that for ourselves,our schools, our neighborhood,our cities, our nations. We wouldn't be so scared or worried to let our children go to school. Or go out for a drive with family,or just a walk to the store. Now in the condition of our country ,our World is in. We should remember the scripture in 2 Chronicles 7:14 1) If my people, which is called by my name, humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways , than I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. So God's people if we know the scripture. It's talking to to the . people that attend Church ? Not just attend but live it , walk it, read it, breath it and Obey it. So Church let's not just say we are Christians, but live it,pray God please forgive.us of sins and Heal our Lands. In turn the sin of this Nation will be forgiven,our Nation will prosper again the pandemic will go away our children will be healed. Don't we want the U.S. to be respectful again. Our land to yield again mental health be healed. Amen May Jesus bless YOU .

Genesis 25:23-28, Genesis 32:1,24,25,26,27,28, Genesis 35:10, Genesis 46:2, Genesis 46:5, * Genesis 50:24, Exodus 1:1-5, * 1Kings 18:31, * Psalms 14:7, Psalms 105:10, interesting how this scripture is broken down like this 'And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,' 'and to Israel an everlasting covenant ' 2 Samuel 7:7,

They are descendents, of Jacob aka "Israel' the lineage of CHRIST Jesus, Matthew 1,

Hopefully these are helpful

Heavenly Father, according to Thy Promises, in the Mighty Name of Jesus, by the Power of the Holy Spirit, I claim healing for Kevin and Jenny. 2 Samuel 7:25, "And now, O LORD GOD, the word that Thou hast spoken concerning Thy servants (Kevin and Jenny), and concerning their house (their bodies), establish it (healing) for ever, and do as Thou hast said." Thank You Heavenly Father, Thank You Jesus and Thank You Holy Spirit. Kevin, I have you both in my prayers. God bless you both.

Ears that here,

Hebrews 1:5 says, For to which of the angels said he at any time, and this is from Psalm 2:7: Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

Right here is where people will say "begotten" means to give birth. How do we get out of that one? It sounds like it contradicts who Jesus claimed to be.

Well, Psalm 2 is what is called a Coronation Psalm. It is the day in which the Father passes the throne to His Son. And that's why He's called a Son. He didn't become a Son that day by birth. He became the inheritor of His Father's throne. And His Son is now the King. He became King on that day, His coronation.

So we have to be careful. The word begotten, its root word is also used for creation, which is where we get the term birth. But also it's used for creating the world. Anything that is generated out is represented by this word. So when a person becomes King, this word is used.

So to which of the angels did He say, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? To none of the angels! And again, from 2 Samuel 7:14: I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? To which of the angels did He ever say that? None!

John 3:13: This chapter finds Jesus talking with Nicodemus about heavenly/spiritual things, which sadly, Nicodemus was ignorant of. He asks in verse 9, "How can these things be?", or in other words, 'Jesus, you're telling me strange things which I find impossible to accept & believe in'. So Jesus goes on to tell him that it's not only heavenly things but also earthly things that he doesn't understand. Then verse 13 refers to Jesus being the only one that is qualified to bring 'that heavenly light' to people as He was the one to come down from Heaven. And none else filled this position or was qualified, as not even Elijah or Enoch or even the OT saints have gone into Heaven & come back to Earth to reveal such Divine insights.

Psalm 2:7: This is one of many Messianic Psalms which have a reference to the coming Messiah (see also Psalms 8, 16, 22, 34, 35, 40, etc.). David would not have had full knowledge of what God had put on his heart to write, except that God did have a plan, that through David there would be in the future an everlasting kingdom ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13). Whether David felt there was some reference to him in Psalm 2:7, is not known, but he knew ultimately that these words did not apply only to Him but to Another, as we read the whole Psalm. Even the NT writers referred to it: Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5, indicating that they too saw Psalm 2:7 as ultimately referring to the Messiah. So, you're correct that it is God speaking to (or, inspiring) David to write the Psalm, but many Psalms & other OT writings are prophetical pointing to Jesus, as even Jesus Himself looked back at those prophecies that spoke of Him & urged others to do so ( John 5:39).

That's a great question Danae. It is one that has brought on many discussions & ideas over the years.

My belief is this: you're right that Mary & Joseph were ordinary human beings, though of course special as they were selected by God to bring forth His Son into the World. And in their humanity, they, like us, were born with a sin nature passed onto us from our first parents. And they would have sinned as well, though some would teach that they (specifically Mary) did not, since they were in every respect human as we are.

So why wouldn't baby Jesus also receive a sin nature like all of us? I see it this way: neither Mary or Joseph contributed to the conception of the babe. That is, Joseph certainly wasn't the father & Mary did not contribute her ovum to this conception. The Bible says in Luke 1:35, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

I understand this verse to say that God, by His Spirit overshadowed Mary & placed this Holy Seed (one entirely from God without human intervention) into Mary's womb. So this Seed had not the nature that is passed down through mankind - it is a pure & Holy Seed. So couldn't God just zap Jesus onto the Earth & avoid all this human involvement? Well, the Scriptures speak of this Holy One coming, Who would be the Messiah, born in humanity ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13; Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:2), so Jesus was born in fulfilment of all Scriptures, even the Sacrifices which spoke about His redemptive work. Yet, Jesus' Birth was without a sin nature so that He could ultimately be the Perfect Spotless Sacrifice for mankind. So Jesus was tempted of Satan ( Matthew 4:1-11), not to commit sin since He had no sin nature, but Satan wanted to cause the sin nature to be a part of Jesus, just as he did to Adam & Eve. But Jesus resisted this attempt & remained pure ( Hebrews 4:15).

Yes God loved David after his own heart and this chapter has so much in it concerning how God selected his elect people out of all the nations to do his work which they failed miserably at, bit God had mercy on them

God loved David because David was a child of God. He was one of the elect of God. God love all of His elect enough that He did send His only begotten son to die for them. No power of man or of hell can pluck any from his hand. He will not loose one of us. He is the good Shepard who has laid down His life for the sheep.

I think,that David being loved by GOD didn't really have anything to do with being in the blood line of CHRIST,I think it was like Christ,he loved father and Glorified him in 1Samuel15:22.Samuel said,"Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold,to obey is better than sacrifice,And to heed than the fat of rams.He glorified father,loved.

Emil; right;a degree is not needed, one does need the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of him. Or they will be as one not heeding Ephesians 4:14; Be no more tossed to and fro (led away to false teaching and lies, and forms of doctrine that do not teach the truth of His word) by those who lie in wait to deceive. Satan is not the only one who deceives. Sad thing is most don't know they are deceived.

This may seem like a very simple answer but that's the beauty of God, He made this thing so simple we don't need a degree to understand who God is. John 3:16 16 For God SO LOVED THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. God loved the world and that's why He sent His Son. He loved David in like manner

"God loved David, because Christ is of David's lineage." So, is this reason God loved David?

"...I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will:" sounds like great love to me! 1 Cor. 14:26 confirms that what one has by revelation, or by knowledge, or by wisdom, or by prophecy, or by interpretation; it is for our mutual benefit and encouragement: our judging of whether something is Scriptural, should be by the nature and Spirit of God.

I don't recall scripture that says this is why God loved David; "Truly God loved David because Christ was to be born of David's lineage." Peter A. O., Could you enlighten us with scripture? Do you think there were people throughout David's lineage that God did not love?

Truly, God loves David and his lineage for the simple reason that it has been ordained from the beginning of time that Jesus will be God made man through the line of David. God, the great Master Planner Himself at work!

V. 14 - I will chasten him with the rod of men. In this day people wonder why God allows wars; it's simply because of this verse - if he commit iniquity .......; even many 'church' people are committing iniquity, let alone un-churched. God allows wars, to hopefully get people to a place of repentance, but He doesn't cause them. Trials, persecutions for the same reason - repentance.

" Like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth ". Great men that are "IN " the earth, is pertaining to the great men that are in Abrahams Bossom, in the middle of the earth as in Matthew 16:19.

Rest strenghtens, makes us effectivess and effecient. The Lord gave David rest from all his enemies. It was at this time he decided to build house for God. Rest makes us think right and this enable us to do exploit for God. It also enable us to achieve our goals and aspiirations too. No wonder God said come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden and I {God} will give you rest. He is waiting for us this day to give us rest.

This refers to Solomon literally but at the same time refers also to Christ, but "if he commits" would not applicable to Christ. Yet again "the kingdom forever" would applicable to Christ.

God said tht he will bless me n poor all his out for me n shall be there for me,by stedfast by words of knowleged ,let give u peace & undstanding ...but continuely actknowleged him ..he give u everything tht ur hearts designer because his god ..the king of kings ...amen ....the o megoa ..the mighty of all things .. But I just think god for his wisdom n word to