Discuss 1 Samuel 13

Hello! I have many questions? And seek answers from those who have been born of water and the spirit?

My reasons, are honourable.

Please! do not be offended?

I have asked? the World Wide Web! Is it possible? To know, how many religions, exist in the world today?

The answer I received was approxomatly 4200!

We have ONE GOD!

We have ONE GOSPEL!

WHY? Do We Have So! Many Flavours?

What? Is required?

In 1 Samuel 13:14. The LORD states, the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and The LORD hath

Commanded Him To Be Captain Over His People!

Why? Did Saul Lose His Appointment?

Why? Did THE LORD, Choose David? A Boy!

Please! Think deeply, on these.

You are at liberty, to express your replies, howsoever you choose?

May the LORD of All GRACE Bless those who seek, those who ask, and those who knock? Amen!

Thankyou! One and all.

Persecution (Part 6 I think)

Once David got to the later stages of his reign; there were some consequences to his actions and his son Solomon would achieve more or less peace in his day which sadly was the beginning of the end for Israel and Judah as judgment was about to come.

Psalms discusses repeatedly David's prayers to overcome his adverseries but also verses that likely show consequences of his own sin as we see in Psalm 38:11; which commentators suggest may be a type of venereal disease suffered because of the many women he was with; which of course dwarfs in comparison to Solomon and his escapades. Nonetheless David was a man after God's own heart ( 1 Samuel 13:14). This shows his strength in great humility and servitude slong with patience with Saul and his minions who put him on the run a number of times before he eventually was defeated in battle. ( 2 Samuel 16:11). The Lord dealt with this issue in His timing and established the throne of Solomon; as David could not build the Temple because he was a man of war ( 1 Chron. 28:3).

With Solomon's brief reign at the pinnacle of the kingdom which would have been extended and continued his posterity through his descendants once again a way waw found for him to forfeit these promises. Ecclesiastes seems to show lessons learned a bit late but it would seem in time for repentance, realizing his folly.

The kingdom of Israel and Judah where the tribes were split were judged by invasions of several nations; but here I will focus the most on the Babylonian invasion. We see Jeremiah the "weeping prophet" and it is assumed but not explcit he was martyred. Luke 11:50-51 says this about the lawyers at the time

That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

51From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Pride continued

I wouldn't hesitate to say that for Moses to be the only one who spoke to God face to face at such an intimate level; and David being a man after God's own heart ( 1 Samuel 13:14) that surely God could be said to be proud of His creation in some respect.

Any success or rewards come from an individual submitted to the Spirit and operating in God's strength rather than their own.

Nonetheless there are thrones and crowns in heaven, which will no doubt relate to levels of authority in the next life for at least the Millennium and perhaps for all eternity.

To fulfill a purpose in life ties into the good works predestined for us from the beginning of the world ( Eph. 2:10). To be considered exalted takes discipline to deny self and wisdom not to get in the way of the Lord. We all should take heart in the fact that God knows all our suffering ( Psalm 56:8). We also know the reason for all struggles is to accomplish His purposes ultimately so we don't have to view things as useless suffering or as the lost who have no hope after this life's struggles.

Perseverance and patience results in rewards ( 2 Tim. 4:8 and supporting verses).

Exaltation probably is understood as a similar word to pride; neither make any sense if it is self doing it. Only God in His perfection DESERVES acclamation and can be proud (if I can use that term); the best example would be the Father's exaltation of the Son after His obedient sufferings making the atoning sacrifice for men that He was predestined to save. Even with the Godhead it would be strange if Christ said He was proud of the Father and even more so with the Spirit making such a claim.

We of course are just dust with an outer tabernacle as it were soon to pass. As corrupted as our bodies are; our souls no doubt in God's site are far worse ( Mark 7:21-22 for laundry list). If Christ in His humbled state is referred to in Psalm 22:6 as a worm how much more so were we before being redeemed? Self pride is dumb.

Prayers of David: Introduction to types of prayers

Psalms in general written to SONGS. We seem to have lost the meaning of singing Psalms as was done up until the time of Christ.

I just learned recently of the Psalms sang around Passover that no doubt were linked to the King of Glory and His sacrificial atonement at Calvary. In these writings; of course we have praise; what are called "royal" psalms as well as Messianic ones where Christ was exalted to fulfill certain promises such as seen describing his death in Psalm 22. We also have what are called "impreccatory" Psalms which ask for God to take vengeance on enemies. As a general prayer against our enemies it is certainly fitting today. For specific individuals; we can cry out for the Lord to deal with people any way He deems fit. With the focus today on seeing people saved; this could make prayers for destruction of an individual something we should avoid at least directly. We should seek to see someone saved as long as they live; even if we ask for them to be imprisoned or punishment by the law exacted on them. The exception will be in the Tribulation with the lawless one; the man of sin who is destined for perdition as we get some inkling of the prayer of the martyred saints in; I believe chapter 7.

The idea of praising God whenever we initiate communication with Him certainly is made evident through Psalms in particular and we shouldn't miss that concept. Showing true adoration for the Lord certainly could incline Him to act; and of course if we aren't wholehearted perhaps the Lord holds back as well; that is particularly true when we withhold forgiveness from people. We see this especially from Matthew 6:14-16. Psalm 51 also discusses the humble and contrite spirit which I mention often. Since David was a man after God's own heart (first seen in 1 Samuel 13:14).

I may discover some more concepts. Since I'm doing a Psalms nursing home study I may begin there or in 1 Samuel.

Agape; RP

God's anger (Part 3)

Concluding this first topic on God's attributes related to anger we also see the imprecatory Psalms; that is those Bible scriptures that plead with God for judgment to occur on our enemies. These verses sometimes are general in nature which David would say in his long struggle with Saul and those perusing Him. David is a good example for us of forgiveness in that regard; as Saul was cornered multiple times and because he was still recognized as the anointed king David didn't take the opportunity to slay him. Even at his death he mourned for him as we see in 2 Samuel 1. There was no PERSONAL vendetta here; much as there isn't with Christ who will rule and reign with justice ( Isaiah 11:3-4) but with righteousness; in other words He will work with God's direction and not let external circumstances skew the picture.

When studying God's anger our first reaction is to understand his attitude toward gross external manifestations of sin; which surely is the state of the world today more than ever. As I said in the last post He chastises all those he loves ( Heb. 12:6). God allowed collateral damage both with David's sin with Bathsheeba ( 2 Samuel 11:3-4) and with the census ( 2 Samuel 24:12). We find it illogical why many innocent had to die in such instances but David brought wars upon himself and others and many died in the second census incident with its after affects. Therefore it is following God's precepts as to HOW to worship and heeding His warnings against sin that are crucial. Saul began his fall by trying to offer a sacrifice himself in an unauthorized procedure as a king. ( 1 Samuel 13:8-14). David didn't trust God's strength when he took the census. This was much the reason Solomon fell as well; he hoarded gold and silver and foreign women as wives all which God warned about. (see 1 Kings 1:11; Deut. 17:17). Those who He loves go through the refining fire; let us pass the test so we can rejoice at the Bema Seat (2 Cor510

Hi Nstew. To learn of this sad situation & to the commandment that King Saul had to keep, we need to go back to 1 Samuel chapter 10. After Saul was crowned King over Israel, the prophet Samuel gave him some clear directions in this chapter. One of them was that Saul should head towards Gilgal & after he arrived there, he should wait for Samuel for seven days. After this time, Samuel would come to him, offer sacrifices & give the king further directions ( 1 Samuel 10:7,8).

However, as Saul waited for Samuel to come & the seven days had now expired & Samuel had still not arrived and seeing the fearful condition of his people as they remained before the large advancing Philistine army, took upon himself to offer the burnt offering for God's Mercies & Help upon this outnumbered dejected Saul's army. For this sin, of not abiding by God's Command (through Samuel) to wait & also for conducting the sacrifices himself which he was not authorized to do, Samuel gave Saul the stern rebuke & the promise of the loss of his kingship as a result ( 1 Samuel 13:10-14).

1 Samuel 13:14

But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee.

What was it that " thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee"?

Aaron was given to Moses as his "mouthpiece" so to speak after his many protests on not being a man of learned speech and such in Exodus 4:10. Moses tested God quite a bit with his trepidation which was a side affect of being the most humble man alive (See Numbers 12:3). This caused Aaron to be a thorn in his side. There were two ways to approach the masses; with dogged determination to God's will as Moses demonstrated; and to acquiesce to their pleas. We see a similar pattern with the sacrifice made the wrong way by Saul in 1 Samuel 13:9. Ultimately; Saul was shown to have a rebellious self seeking life that went away from true worship of God; in this verse he was also trying to placate people ignoring God's methodology to his own peril. That was one step away from idolotry.

Aaron's sin was basically equivalent to a death penalty; breaking the 1st commandment; and with the sexual things implied many other things deserving such an end such as is indicated in verses 6 and 25. Poor Moses had to go another 40 days fasting after his first fast; and acted as intercessor then and several other times when God wanted to destroy the whole lot of the exiles and start anew. In the end only Caleb and Joshua from that generation survived; all the rest that made it into the Promised Land were the children of the original families that came out of Egypt.

Moses also had to deal with Miriam when she made a fuss about his Ethiopian wife in Numbers 12:10. Aaron could have been more proactive in dealing with it before her leprosy came as punishment.

This should serve as a warning to all; especially when a great spiritual victory has just happened such as a genuine move of God. Rebellion is as witchcraft ( 1 Samuel 15:23); and stems from the same root of corruption. This is why we can't just proclaim we are Christians without evidence of trust in God; fear of the Lord and other such good fruit being evident. We also must choose God over popular opinions.

Confusion over question about Saul's age and reign solved; Many versions including NASB translate I Samuel 13:1 "30 years old when he began to reign and reigned 42 years". Acts 13;21 the Apostle Paul says his reign was 42 years.

Psalm 70 and 71. These two Psalms would appear to be a continous passage; let me know if I'm wrong here. This is the last Psalm related to David personally in this section and Psalm 72 indicates the last one authored by David as related to Solomon.

The theme of being "poor and needy" and making haste for help is seen repeated once again as we saw in Psalm 69 and most of the preceding Psalms in the 2nd section of the book. Verse 18 makes it pretty clear that he was indeed aged with the gray hairs mentioned and a point blank statement of being old. He desired to remain until he reached "this generation" and power to every one that is to come. This would be accomplished of course through giving Solomon quite a financial and planning "jumpstart" to the opulent Temple being built with a modern day value of materials easily in the billions. I have seen estimates in the HUNDREDS of billions. How sad that Solomon's downfall basically ended the Kingdom of Israel and let to a divided state which has to date never reached it's fullest glory but will in the Millennium.

We notice in verse 17 David recognized being taught from an early age. Solomon also had proper upbringing but didn't learn until his life was nearly over the folly that his life became following foreign women and hoarding possessions despite God's warnings to him. Such is the message of Ecclesiastes. May we all learn so as not to embrace madness and folly to achieve understanding!

Praise and proper worship (verse 22-24) also were remembered by David. He was a man after God's own heart ( 1 Samuel 13:14) which Saul didn't like to acknowledge. This was despite his grevious sin with Bathsheeba that the Lord ultimately used for His purposes but cost him the privilege of building the Temple himself. ( 1 Chron. 22:18 and elsewhere).

This Psalm goes through an early life experience of David; commentators state that the man mentioned verse 1 is one of Saul's "henchmen."

The Psalm asks for God's judgment in verse 6; hence is "impreccatory" in some ssense. It is more of a declaration of David's innocence and proclamation that if he has done anything amiss that he wished his enemies to overtake him (verses 3-5). Those sentiments made David a "man after God's own heart" ( 1 Samuel 13:14) at first; until the infamous Bathsheeba incident.

We should learn well from David's life as his own wishes for enemies to overtake him if he was at fault was part of the judgment after condemning Uriah an innocent man to death to get the woman he wanted.

Verses 11 through 16 show the general state of the wicked who are ensnared by their own sins (verse 15) as well as being judged by God (v. 13); the most extreme example of course being at Armageddon.

The last verse is praise according to God's attribute of righteousness. David was quick not only to repent with a "contrite and broken spirit" ( Psalm 51); but also praised God and even danced for him ( 2 Samuel 6:14-15). This sort of abandon seems unique among rulers in Israel and really cannot happen in a genuine manner without a heart that is of pure motive and open to the Lord's presence. That is a lesson we should take heed to as well.

As with Psalm 3; we see David in a time of distress; as well as knowing how to rest in the Lord (verse 4 and 8). Verse 5 seems to indicate a similar stance to Psalm 51 in terms of a "broken and contrite spirit" as a proper attitude of worship. 2 Samuel 16:5-14 shows Shimei cursing David. This among other experiences of his enemies could result in the sentiments in verse 6.

We could also see the concept of election in verse 3 where "God sets apart him that is godly for himself."... The contrast of God's people and his enemies is seen throughout not just Psalms but all scriptures. As with the rest of the Bible David shows patience and kindness towards his enemies; patiently enduring Saul's 21 attempts to kill him; as well as the above example with Shimei. Other enemies God uses to chastise him eventually in some cases are dealt with by Solomon when they step out of line ( 1 Kings 2:29). Absolom also had to be dealt with; but David was grieved at his death (he had to congratulate the armies of Israel or they may have been disgraced so he had to compose himself after the event).

Whether it was his own sin (such as the Bathsheeba incident; or taking the census for the wrong reasons) or those where he was innocently targeted (such as with the madman Saul); David knew how to seek God; or at least listened to the voice of the prophet Nathan. Probably the emphasis of him being a "man after God's own heart" ( 1 Samuel 13:14) was that he never forgot his humble beginnings as a shephard (see Psalm 23). Solomon; sadly got caught up in accumulating many things and ignored God's clear warnings; hence he was the last great King to rule over both houses of Israel before the Kingdom was rent and went into exile. Nonetheless; the lineage of the Messiah would be fulfilled.

David fought confidently. 1 Samuel 17:26,32,33-36,37 & with faith because of GOD's deliverances in past & knowing GOD's love for Israel. Maybe that's why GOD called him: 1 Samuel 13:14, Acts 13:22,

Hopefully this is helpful.

Saul had made a grave mistake in doing the work of a priest. So, God was removing him from his thrown. ( 1 Samuel 13:8-14) Then God had David anointed to be the next king of Israel. Saul saw God blessing David and became jealous. His jealousy came out in anger toward David.

I hope this answers your question.

God bless

David & Solomon would have known the requirements of Deuteronomy 17:14-20 especially & as well, 1 Samuel 13:14 does show God's own selection for Israel's next king, but the fact of the matter is that David failed God in many respects. He was still the chosen one, yet still human with failings, but God could find the qualities in David that were absent in Saul. David's disobedience through a multiplicity of wives, & desire for Bathsheba in particular, brought on the required sorrow & discipline.

There are both fine godly men & women in the Church today. True, we are also products of our cultures, environments, & circumstances, but those who are truly walking in the Spirit & filling themselves with the Word of God, are continually subject to His directions & the proper thoughts & decisions they have to make.

Both men & women need to shoulder the blame where wrong has been committed since we have departed by not applying the Word to our lives. We might expect our wives to be submissive to us, but we fail to singularly & passionately love our wives & see to their needs. If the modern wife disregards her position then either she is re-interpreting the Word to suit, or the husband has failed in his calling to love her. Those constantly walking in the Spirit are those who are constantly sensitive to the Lord & to each other in marriage.

1 Samuel 13:13 , ( please read context of 1 Samuel 13 )
Revelation 6:11 ,
Matthew 25:32 , Matthew 25:32 -46
Matthew 25:10 , Matthew 25:13
Hopefully this is helpful.

I don't think it gives his age. I would guess he was in his 40s since he had a son, Johathan who was a young man.

'To obey is better than sacrifice and to harken than to the fat of rams' ( 1 Sam. 15:22). A lesson here is that we must first learn to obey and follow orders before we can lead others.

1 Samuel 13-1 I have read this over and over. I can not find the age of Saul when he became king. please explain

Bible in a Year Reading Day 77. Saul fails very quickly. In his diligence and duty he fails to understand that it is God and not himself that orders everything. By offering a sacrifice he stepped away from what God intentions were for him. Saul is a tragic figure in Israel's history. He seemed to have many good intentions, but he did what was right in his own eyes, but it wasn't God's way.

verses 19-20 are relevant to the gun grabbing gun/weapon control plan of people in power, and those who would not let us defend ourselves, our families, and others

Verse 14: Jehovah God expected obedience from the Saul. Saul was not authorized to offer up the burnt offering. Due to his disobedience, he would lose the kingship.

1 Sam 13.1: I wonder if this verse is saying that two years after defeating the Ammonites (11:11ff) Saul now turns to deal with the Philistines. His son Jonathan heads a company of 1000 warriors and defeats the Philistine garrison at Gibeah (near Michmash v4). The meaning of Jonathan's name is 'Yahweh's gift' and this he proves to be especially as David's closest friend.

Samuel 13


I am confused.

Saul should have used or look for alternative means of making iron works instead of depending on their enemy that are prone to declaring war any how. What a King with no strategic millitary preparation .

Gail, the Hebrew translation as well as the KJV here doesn't say what is in the first two quiz questions therefore they appear to be incorrect. However, some translations like the NIV says what the quiz questions and answers say. Glory be to God in the highest through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Amen.

Is there an error in the first question asked in the quiz or am I not understanding? I have read 1 Samuel 13:1 and it does not state Saul 's age when he became king.

1Samuel 13 Sometimes I try to test myself with the knowledge after reading a chapter! What confuses me is that I read nowhere in 1Samuel 13 how old Samuel was when he became King, nor how long he reigned, Did I miss something????

1 Samuel 13 13 1 Samuel 13 13. And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever.....I can 't even began to count the times that my acts of foolishness has gotten me in trouble. GOD is truly merciful to me.

Ofcourse as human beings we have our fears, doubts and anxieties particularly when faced with life 's many challenges. Patience perseverance is a fruit of the Holy Spirit and it takes maturity and consistency in the things of GOD to attain. I will encourge readers to always trust GOD no matter what. Saul could have waited but caved in under pressure and lost the kingdom. As Christians today, we are just like Saul. I pray that GOD through HIS son Jesus Christ will restore all that we have lost as a result of our inpatience. Amen.