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"Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God."
1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
Genesis 1:31
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
Psalms 119:107
"I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O LORD, according unto thy word."
Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
2 Timothy 4:1
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;"
John 6:63
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
John 20:29
"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
1Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
John 10:36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Luke 3:38
"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."
21 For if God spared not the natural (Israel) branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on THEM, which fell, severity; but toward US, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in AGAIN.
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this MYSTERY lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that BLINDNESS in part HAS HAPPENED to Israel, UNTIL THE FULLNESS of the Gentiles (US) be come in.
26 And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer (JESUS) and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (ISRAEL).
27 For this is MY COVENANT unto ISRAEL when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they (Israel) are enemies for (US) your sakes: but as touching the election (US), they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye (US) in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through (ISRAELS) their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through (GENTILE) your mercy they also (ISRAEL) may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them (Israel) all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all (Israel and Gentiles together).
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things:
Comment: Would be great if we'd just let God bring this Mystery to fruition.
Who do I support ?
4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
Mark 14:34
And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
Luke 24:29
But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
Mishael
Oh, for a closer walk with God, A calm and heavenly frame!
A light to shine upon the road That leads me to the Lamb.
Where is the blessedness I knew When first I saw the Lord?
Where is the soul refreshing view Of Jesus and His Word?
The dearest idol I have known, Whatever that idol be,
Help me that idol to dethrone And worship only Thee.
So shall my walk be close with God, Calm and serene my frame;
So purer light shall mark the road That leads me to the Lamb.
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1. They will be subject to death.
2. They will die Spiritually and be subject to Physical death.
3. God will not keep them alive forever.
Many argue that the reference is to an immediate Spiritual death and a subsequent physical death. Others, like St. Augustine and many of the Church Fathers, will say Adam and Eve were created subject to physical death anyway. But, as long as they obeyed God's commandments, they would not experience death and God would keep them alive forever.
Others insist Genesis must be interpreted literally and therefore, the meaning of Genesis 2:17 is they would die Spiritually and eventually die Physically. But if Genesis is to be taken literally, the passage has to be taken at face value. Dying can only mean Physical death. The verse doesn't say Spiritual death. It doesn't imply Spiritual death. And God never discussed Spiritual death. The passage, therefore, must be taken literally or allegorically. Which is it?
If it means physical, then it didn't happen and God was either wrong, or He meant something else. Could the same be said for other things in Genesis 1-3? How many things are there in Genesis 1-3 that can be taken allegorically, if any? Are there any metaphores? Similes? So, the verse is either literal or it is not.
The message of Genesis 1-3 is that God created everything. He created mankind. And Jesus was the object, the reason, the Purpose for Creation. God didn't create man so s/he could could be happy busy bees frolicking in the Garden. He created mankind and everything that exists, so Christ (God in the flesh) could enter creation to liberate it from sin, corruption and all manner of evil. And through the Death of Christ, to bring in Eternal Perfection, immortality, sinlessness.
Well developed arguments and comments are welcome.