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Mark,

Matthew 24:31 tells us that when He does come, He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet.



I'll share some technical points with you just to show you how good this passage is:



He is going to send His angels out with a great sound of a Shofar. It's a ram's horn.



In the Greek text, the word "sound" is in brackets, which means it has been added to the text by some unseen person who doesn't understand the fact that the word "great" modifies the trumpet. It is called a great Shofar.



The prophecy is found in Isaiah 27:12-13.



It says the great Shofar will blow, and the Lord will gather His people from the four corners of the earth. So that is very important because that's a prophecy that the Jews looked for.



It says He is going to gather them together, his elect, and that would be the Jews, from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, north, south, east, and west.

Dear Who Do,

Understood. I just thought that Adam posed the question and was going to step back and listen to the viewpoints of those he was soliciting a response from.

Gigi, I will take your advice and go through some of these pages to read the discussions. You may be correct in that had I done that first, this discussion would have made more sense and maybe had I done that first, I would have kept out of here. But then again, reading Adam's opening statement would have caused me not to respond anyway because I believe the same as he does concerning who Jesus is (God), and he was specifically looking for responses that disagreed with his belief. Again, I am not attacking him because I think we believe the same concerning Jesus. And I am sure he meant no harm. Please know that I am neither attacking or defending anyone here. I just thought it odd for someone to post a question and then not engage in further discussion. And someone here did seem to get very upset. I will go and look for those verses you speak of. God bless you and you have a great evening!

Read entire Romans 1:1-32

The specifics of your question are found in verses 24-29.

This is an excellent question.

What percentage of the Father or Mary makes up the Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:28.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

God bless.

I appreciated your comments on this GiGi, in reply to WDMSTIAm. I do agree with him/her, in that neither Adam nor Grae wanted to discuss the matter further (with Adam just wishing to garner responses to his post).

Yet, for two clear reasons, no-one can not expect some response: this is the very nature of this Site & particularly this Page, and the very nature of our Textbook demands that Truth be shared & error exposed. Some may not find this important but I feel that if the apostles exposed false teachers & their errors to keep the fledgling Church on a straight course, we too must be duty-bound to do so as well. And the only way for us to do this is by bringing out pertinent Scripture & engaging in wholesome Spirit-led discussion. The evils of gnosticism & docetism was prevalent then, invading the Church & corrupting the Word & sadly it's still very much evident today.

Will end this here as my passion for defending the Person of Jesus Christ & God's great Sacrifice in the offering up of Himself as the only true measure of that Love, will extend this submission to a much greater length. Thank you for your stand for the Truth dear sister.

Hello, here's a few links to scripture:

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Hi Adam.

That's true you're right.

I believe in Angels, I also believe in demons.

I'm not sure but those in Gen 6 may be this group.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6.

LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION,

I believe that means they sort of disrobed sort of speak or lost their position and perhaps some of the supernatural ability.

" Like disappearing and reappearing

I'm not sure, but I don't believe we have baby Angels running around disappearing.

But who knows, some say one day we're going to have a baby Holy Ghost. Maybe it's one of them.

of course I'm kidding.

God bless.

Dwayne Nickson,

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing your personal experience! Thank you for trusting us with that. Several people have unique visions & experiences. Please pray for wisdom & understanding, if that's what your seeking. James 1:5,6,7,

It seems though, you said "smiling" was it comforting to you? Encouraging?

Here's another scripture if you feel warning: Matthew 18:10, in context Matthew 18,

Hopefully these are helpful

Sabbath : Exodus 20:8,10,11, Exodus 31:14,15,16, Leviticus 23, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2,4,6, Numbers 28:9,10, Deuteronomy 5,

Nehemiah 13:19, There's many more scriptures, hopefully you'll find them all helpful

Jesus observed the Sabbath & fulfilling the Sacrifice: Luke 23:17,54,55,56, John 19:31, Acts 13:27, Matthew 28:1, Mark 6:2, Mark 16:1, Matthew 8:17, Luke 4:21, Acts 13,

Matthew 12:8,

Hello, Who Do

If you have been reading this site for the past few weeks, you would know that this topic was discussed very thoroughly be people posting on both sides of this issue. Adam (and others) posted lengthy Scriptural references that supported his view of the deity of Jesus. Those who thought the other way zipped right past the Scripture references Adam and others posted to post the Scripture that supported their view that Jesus was not God. When Adam (and others ) asks these posters who believed that Jesus was not God to speak to the Scriptures Adam and others posted to support the deity of Jesus, none of the posters spoke to these Scriptures. So this is most likely why Adam asked the question as he did. He was giving those who deny the deity of Christ the invitation to make their case without any rebuttal from himself, since he had already posted rebuttals already in the thread of the previous discussion. I do not think that Adam had any nefarious reasons to ask this question.

As for Grae, he often posts his beliefs and states that he does not want to have a discussion or debate on the topic and asks that people do not post replies back to him if they were to counter his belief. I will say that Grae is free to request this when he posts. He has his reasons for posting as he does.

I think it is very good to have serious discourse about biblical topics and that the discourse should be focused on the topic and Scriptural reasoning avoiding personal insults, attacks on one's character, or questioning of one's faith or standing before God.

I do think that it is fair to label another's belief as unorthodox or false or heretical if it has been historically viewed as such. I do think that we can follow through with a discourse and in the end state that we stand firm in our belief and the other person is free to do so also and to admit that the discourse appears to have come to an end as each person has thoroughly presented their view in a non-hostile way.

Matthew 24,

North, South East & West, examples: Ezekiel 37:9, Revelation 7:1, Job 37:9,

East Wind; Genesis 41:6,23,27, Exodus 10:13, Exodus 14:21, Psalms 48:7, Isaiah 27:8, Jeremiah 18:17, Ezekiel 17:10, Ezekiel 19:12, Hosea 13:15,

West Wind; Exodus 10:19,

North Wind; Proverbs 25:23,

South Wind, Job 37:17, Luke 12:55, Acts 27:13,

Psalms 78:26, Ecclesiastes 1:6, Jeremiah 10:13, Jeremiah 51:16, Amos 4:13,

Interestingly in Michigan the Northern winds blow, it feels like bitter coldness inside, freezing your nose inside like icicles, even through your clothing layers. In Southern California when the " Santa Ana winds" dry & hot, dusty, both very district & unpleasant. The winds that blow East from the Pacific Ocean even summertime bring cool, unpleasant chills as early evening approaches. Etc. (In some personal observation of distinct winds.)

Hopefully these are helpful

Mark It is a figure of speach for all different directions i.e. south north east west encompassing all earth.

Bob Specifically Romans 1:22-28 also leviticus 18:22-30, there are others.

Afterthought:

Gen 19:5 - men wanted to have sex with the angels (doesn't mean it was possible, but noteworthy it was mentioned)

Heb 13:2 - people have entertained angels without even knowing it. So, they may sometimes not look any different than other people. Other times I think people were afraid at what they saw, so they might have control over how they present themselves.

Hi Adam,

Actually Jesus isn't the Son of God. Christ is. Who is Christ except God's Son as He created Him. And what is Jesus except the Christ in Him. Jesus' appeared, took on the form, was in the likeness, being found in fashion of a body. Philippians 2:7,8. His reality is Spirit, since His Father is Spirit. John 4:24. We know what James 3:11,12 says. To paraphrase, woolly mammoths don't produce rabbits, and neither do redwood trees produce poppies. We know also flesh can't produce spirit. It is highly illogical Spirit producing flesh. God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all 1 John 1:5. Light does not produce darkness, only Light. God is Love 1 John 4:8. Love creates Itself and nothing but Itself. The truth of Jesus is not a body, but Christ, Who like God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, wholly loving and wholly lovable. Jesus, who appeared as a body has the Mind (Spirit) of Christ. Jesus (his Mind) has nothing that does not come from God; the difference between both me and you now is that He has nothing else. So yes, Christ is God: 100%! The flesh profits nothing. John 6:63. Where in the Scriptures does it say God is a body; and they that worship Him must worship Him in body and in truth?

And yes, Christ is God's Son, an extension and complete sharing of God's Self (Mind). The Trinity in It's Oneness transcends the sum of It's parts. They are One.

Peace be with you

God Is

Hello, some believe that the giants (nephilim) in Gen 6:4 are angels. If so, this verse says they did procreate.

Hi Dwayne.

I would be leery of that vision.

Angels are not organic or natural beings. They cannot procreate! If they could, God would have allowed them to reproduce with each other instead of creating untold numbers of them.

I'm not sure God created them as babies, They didn't have to grow up.

I believe they had everything they needed the day God created them.

God bless.

Interesting that the original question posted by Adam was directed to "anyone who believes Jesus isn't God the Son or a part of any Godhead," and Grae responds because Grae fits the category of people Adam was looking for to respond. What's ironic is that both the person asking the question and directing it to only those with a different view than his, and the person that has the different view (Grae) responds because Grae fits the category of people Adam was looking for, but neither of them wish to discuss any further their belief if what they believe is in opposition to the other person or people. This conversation could have ended right from the beginning with Grae's response because Grae does not want to discuss it, and neither does the person asking the question wish to discuss it. But Grae fits the category Adam was looking for. Neither side (Grae nor Adam) wishes to discuss any further their opposing views with each other. Right away, the question being asked is looking for people with a different view than the person asking the question, and the person asking the question chooses not to get involved with those who he's seeking out because he knows how "passionate" this discussion can be, and the one person who rightfully responds does not want to get involved with any opposing views because they are passionate about what they believe and don't want to discuss it with anyone who believes differently, and both sides are fixed on their belief. Go figure! We may never know the true motive behind the question, but one thing is for certain, it did become very passionate, as the person posting the question knew it would, and one might even dare to say that this question has caused some division and strife. I guess you can't blame the person for not wanting to get involved in the question he asked, knowing what it would cause. This is just an observation on my part.

Jeremiah 15:19 is jeremiah being advised to tfust God as a servant and stop complaining. The only way he can serve.

can God use you in his service if you not trusing in him

Tribulation makes the meaning of this verse clear!

where do I find scripture pertaining to homosexuality

From Verse 31;

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

What is the four (4) Winds Christ was talking about?

Grae,

Praying for you, especially if you are absent from this site, as you have indicated. May you be blessed in your pursuit of God and His Truth.

Hello Alvin,

I am ok with fermented wine being used at communion since that is what Jesus used and the early church did, also. If someone is an alcoholic, then they could refrain from taking the wine and just have the bread of communion. I would rather follow the example set by Jesus than substitute something in place of the drink that represents His blood of the new covenant. But then again, if a congregation goes with just juice instead of wine, it is ok with me, also, because it was common in Jesus' time to have wine with meals. If it is common for people to no have alcoholic wine with meals now, then having juice as the drink of communion would equate to the wine of Jesus' time in that the cup is taken communally as meaning all share in the new covenant of Christ's blood by faith.

No such thing as baby angels. The Bible speaks off them as adult men

Show scriptures that detail observing the Shabbot

Chris If I may interject what's the definition of doctrine biblically. The reason I ask what seperated the doctrine of Jesus

christ were the signs miracles and wonders and healings that Gods power worked in and through Him. The same power

or exousia is available to the body of christ today if its believed. Why because its christ in us and Jesus Christ is the

same yesterday today and forever.

Hello ira The biggest challenge with great revival is getting churches or believers together focused to be

likeminded in the same goal and I don't see that happening because of all the different belief systems I.E.

denominational thought. In the u.s. alone their are 2,000 denominations yet in Ephesians 4:1-6 states one

lord one faith one baptism one God one saviour one spirit. It will be a great day spiritually when we get

that right.