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JLind007,

Here's what I can share with you on this. It may be a little lengthy, but please bear with me.

(Part 1)

In John 6:52-59, we see the perplexity of eating His flesh and drinking His blood. So, these people are perplexed. In Verse 52, the Jews asked how can this man give us His flesh to eat? And then in Verse 53, Jesus begins to give an explanation. Jesus says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." Gross huh? Welcome to Christianity!

In Verses 54-57, Jesus says, "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

That sounds kind of deep! In fact, that's the reason and the teaching why the multitudes left. Remember, there were 15 to 20 thousand people that were fed the day before. And now these same people are listening to somebody telling them about cannibalism. (Please keep this is mind because this is very important). This multitude of people were there looking for more physical food. But Jesus is not talking about feeding them physically, but spiritually.

What does Jesus mean? He explains it to the disciples later in the chapter, but He doesn't explain it to the public. His words are spirit and they are life. It is not flesh. When He says "Eat of my flesh and drink of my blood," if you think about it from a Jewish perspective, it makes more sense.

If you remember, when Jesus was introduced to Israel, He was introduced as the Lamb of God who would take away the sin of the world. I want to emphasize to you from the book of Exodus that it wasn't just the blood over the door posts that saved a household from the Angel of death in order for the Angel of death to Passover.

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I'm with you , Chris, on this. To me, one who does not believe that Jesus is God as well as Man is someone who is espousing a false teaching and embracing another Jesus than what Paul and the Gospel writers have presented to us. Is it perilous to believe a false teaching or place one's trust in another Jesus? I would say yes. Much like we refute the "different Jesus" teaching of cults like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and New Age, I believe the same should be done to those who espouse "Oneness" theology or those who promote what has been consistently determined to be heresies concerning Jesus Christ throughout the history of the church such as: Arianism (denies the deity of Jesus); Adoptionism (that Jesus was adopted as the Son of God at His baptism or crucifixion, or resurrection but was not the eternal Son, pre-existing all creation); Sabellianism/Modalism (denial of the eternal distinctions of the Persons of the Godhead, but says that God revealed Himself in different roles at different times as the Father, Son, and Spirit-taught by present day Oneness Pentecostalism); Monophysitism (teaches that Jesus had one nature which was a combination/mixing of both His divine and human nature); Nestorianism (teaching that Jesus was two Persons in one body, one divine and the other human); Apollinariansim (teaching that Jesus had a human body but only one divine nature without a human mind or spirit)



The historical orthodox teaching is that Jesus is the Son of God having taken on humanity to have two natures in one Person. These two natures are 100% deity and 100% humanity. These two natures are not mixed together to form a third type of nature that is no longer fully divine nor fully human (monopysitism) nor is Jesus two Persons in one body (Nestorianism).

The two natures in Jesus (divine and human) are united but not mixed, therefore Jesus can operate either nature at any time, but the singular person of Jesus Christ experiences both natures at any given time.

Dear Dwayne,

We do not know exhaustively all of the beings God has created in the spiritual realm. We just cannot definitively say that angelic beings are to look a certain way. Since you were not seeking this experience, I would most likely think that God was blessing you in a way concerning your line of work, transporting young children. So, if it was me, I would thank God and then tuck this event away into my treasure box of blessings received from Him.

Warmest wishes

Leviticus c15

There are a few references to women and "her flowers" is this a reference to her time of menstruation?

Anothers' perspective will be appreciated.

Many thanks

Thanks, David

Another good observation!

Believing on Christ was exactly the same thing as eating and drinking Him. flesh...blood. A Figure of speech, an idiom put for the whole Person.

Idiom: A speech form or an expression of a given language that is peculiar to itself grammatically or cannot be understood from the individual meanings of its elements, as in keep tabs on

Even where eating is used of the devouring of enemies, it is the enjoyment of in Ecc. 5:19; 6:2; for "riches" cannot be eaten; and the Talmud actually speaks of eating (i.e. enjoying) "the years of Messiah", and instead of finding any difficulty in the figure

they said that the days of Hezekiah were so good that "Messiah will come no more to Israel; for they have already devoured Him in the days of Hezekiah".victory that is included.

Good Morning Ronald,

Thanks for your reply. I taught Kindergarten and, yes, the students loved me, not because we addressed very profound things, since kindergarten is about laying the foundation for the basics, but because I loved each of them and drew out of them the known skills and potential that God placed within them to learn and grow. Many of the things learned in Kindergarten was a matter of taking something concrete and progressing to a more abstract level, which stretches the minds and capabilities of 5-6 year olds.

I so enjoyed being with my students everyday, watching them play and interact with their friends, working with each one individually on skills they needed to practice and receive further re-instruction, and teaching them as a class. We sang, danced, practiced counting to 100, chanted the alphabet each day. We learned to read words and simple stories, to write sounds, then words, then sentences. We learned basic number sense and also adding and subtracting, beginning geometry. We learned science principles and practices. We learned social skills and so much more that we packed into a day. The students were eager to learn and we got excited together over the simplest accomplishments that most people take for granted because our adult brains do not even have to think about these ideas or actions because it has become automatic to us.

My calling as a teacher was a delight to me and I was so blessed. One thing the is humorous is my husband and I sitting down with a stack of the children's writing to decipher what each was trying to say. This was a challenge. For instance: "fofajli" was "Fourth of July". We discovered that when we examined the picture and noticed fireworks. Pretty cute!

I look forward to our next discussion.

Jesus was/is a Teacher,,,Of the 90 times Jesus was addressed directly in the gospels, 60 times he was called Teacher.

This was the word the multitudes used.

This was how the disciples referred to him, e.g The Sermon on the Mount Matthew 5.

Having said that, Jesus/Teacher was still teaching right up until his death on the cross, when He said Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani for he was quoting scripture written in the book of Psalms which was written 1000 yrs before His death, reminding the World, past present, and future that this/His death was predicted 1000 yrs ago. Powerful, powerful, stuff

6 chapter of John was a hard read. Not understanding what Jesus meant by eating of the flesh and drinking his blood.

This was such a great undertaking that happened here in Exodus. I've been reading it over a few times over the past couple years and in my finite mind...it amazes me how the tabernacle or even the arc of the covenant had been constructed. No human architect has ever used such blueprints. Amen.

Hey GiGi,

Nice to hear from you. I do not deny the divinity of Jesus. I have never heard it put that way, the Genesis of all things. I'm sure your students loved you. I will say this without a ton of scripture, in my heart, I feel if I say Jesus is God, I will be denying the Son. My understanding is it is God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior, 1 John 2:23. I know you believe differently but I hope that makes sense. May we discuss another subject one day? I pray your walking is improving each day.

God bless,

RLW

Soul sleep debunked part 2.

There are some who mention the fact that we have passed from death to life ( 1 John 3:14); and other verses justifying that we have already experienced the "first resurrection". This; again is an eschatological attempt at justifying that there is no Millennial period (i.e. the church age fulfills all the prophecies); which is not the focus of analysis here.

There is validity in seeing the basic principle of Genesis 2:17 and its repercussions. Clearly; there was immediate spiritual death that occurred; and a later physical death that resulted from the ensuing corruption to the flesh that the fall set in motion. For a believer; we are sealed until the day of redemption ( Ephesians 4:30). He promises never to "leave or foresake us" ( Deut. 31:8; Hebrews 13:5).

We have a great "cloud of witnesses" ( Heb. 12:1-2) that are further described in the chapter. We have a High Priest now that ever intercedes ( Heb. 7:25 and other verses in that book). The basic idea here is that we are always "married to Christ" ( Romans 7:4). Because of these promises; we see that our physical resurrection si merely a process; simply in reverse of what happened in the garden. Our glorification is simply a done deal in God's mind after salvation along with sanctification ( Romans 8:30). In God's eyes; we were known from eternity and part of His plan ( Genesis 3:15). Therefore; it is all grace that saved Adam's helpless race.

Soul sleep; the big lie.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 to the end of the chapter and 1 Thessalonians 5:10 make it clear; along with other verses that when the body sleeps; the spirit lives on. The question is; of course if His Spirit "testifies with our spirit ( Romans 8:16) that we are God's children." If not; then truly we are spiritually "dead" as it were; which means absent from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and hence forever trapped in our sinful nature. He has put "eternity in the hearts of men" ( Ecclesiastes 3:11). Hebrews 9:27 also makes it pretty clear that we face judgment after death. That will determine where we spend the interim period through the Millennial reign and make the "first resurrection" ( Rev. 20:6) or remains until the Great White Throne judgment. There are; apparently phases to the firstfruits which Christ Himself initiated; then some who came out of their graves AFTER the Resurrection; then those alive at His coming when the saints are Resurrected and finally the Resurrection of those who were martyred in the Tribulation. I will leave this detailed eschatology to other posts.

I already stated elsewhere where the word "qeber" is referring to the bodily state of "sleep" or death in the grave; and when "sheol" the land of the souls of all in the O.T. (now only just for the wicked) exists. Now; to be "absent from the body is present with the Lord ( 2 Cor. 5:6). The bigger question is WHY people want to hold to this "soul sleep" or nonexistence mentality. Part of it can be not dividing the Word properly ( 1 Tim. 2:15); or 2 Peter 3:16 where unstable people twist scripture to their own destruction. If someone knows they are in sin; and remains unrepentant in their hearts it is easy to follow this mindset so that there can be space before judgment. ( Ecclesiastes 8:11; Psalm 73:17). He is not the God of the dead but the living ( Mark 12:27). Hence; we are already "seated in heavenly places" ( Ephesians 2:6).

Gigi. An interesting piece of information concerning the hallway to the holy

Of hollies their were three sections this will sound very familial the way the truth

And the life John 14: 6.

Chris. We plant we water but God gives the increase, years ago a Russian

Expert mathematician set out to prove the bible imperfect. 2 years later was

Born again because he saw that God's Word is even mathematically perfect

By the way a great work in that field was done by E. W. Bulinger years ago.

My point being as in our own lives it's let Go and let God, that being said I

Understand your position concerning fight the good fight . It's interesting to

Me that in phillipians 4:9 Paul said basically duplicate what I do and we know

He spoke in tongues and Jesus Christ called Him to be the example in this the age of grace

But people don't believe it's available although that's not written so again

Unbelief hasn't changed neither had God's Word people do. So just sharing heart

Needs no reply agapeo.

Chris. We plant we water but God gives the increase, years ago a Russian

Expert mathematician set out to prove the bible imperfect. 2 years later was

Born again because he saw that God's Word is even mathematically perfect

By the way a great work in that field was done by E. W. Bulinger years ago.

My point being as in our own lives it's let Go and let God, that being said I

Understand your position concerning fight the good fight . On this discussion

Moving on. Agapeo.

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words

Thanks GiGi, God bless you.

Because most Churches are infiltrated "by" the erroneous, and either misinterpret, or don't understand it, and are most likely of the belief that women should be silent in church; when in fact the seven women in the verse "In that day" are God's Elect; In that day i.e day of Judgement, the Tribulation. IMO

Marty S - Who is a Jew? My bro-in-law is part Jew?

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God

Hey Mark GBU... Lemme give ya my understanding on the 4 winds its simply all the world....North South East AND WEST....Jesus said the Wind is symbolic of his spirit his words that cannot be seen but only heard...

...... Joel 2:28 I will pour out of my SPIRIT ( the wind of God ) on all flesh....And your sons and daughters shall prophesy....All flesh is all the world North South East and West....And his spirit is the wind of God to all parts of the world

......On the day of Pentacost that mighty rushing wind was blowing on folks from every nation all the world which was the H.G.....Which was the Promise of his Father....Baptism of the H.G....Behold the Promise of my Father...which was that mighty rushing WIND that filled the house...He makes his son to shine to the good and the bad...and his rain to fall on all the world.

And the 4 gospels are filled with the Blood of the lamb the Cross and his words and he says my words are spirit and life....The wind of God which is the H.G. GODS ELECT.

......And he breathe on them and they received the H.G. His breath was the wind of God....Just as God breathe the breath of life in humanity.

......We were all born by the will of some man.... its only the H.G. that Child of Promise that is born by the will of God in us....Thus its only the H.G. that is the Child of PROMISE THE ELECT.....Which is our new heart and new spirit the mind of Christ.. Romans 9 :8-17 kjv

Jeremiah 49:36

And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

Revelation 7:1

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Zechariah 2:6

Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

Matthew 24:31

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:27

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

In Job 1 we see that Satan can cause destructive winds that kill people, animals and communities.

Also that God owns the storehouses of Rain, Snow and Hail.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, and. Chapter 5

Parable of the ten Virgins, 2 Peter 3

Jesus Promised the End of Days in Matthew 24 and Luke 21. What signs to be looking for. A sign of a great falling away from belief in Gods written Word (the Bible).

You can use the search box on the entry page; type in Caught Up or In The Clouds

Furthermore, the earth will no longer conceal its dead ( Isaiah 26:21). The souls of those countless millions of aborted babies; all those who have died of the O.T. and New Testament saints will finally live life to the fullest. I see the Temple as being a reminder on earth in the 1000 year reign of Christ as to what He did; and we should remember that the food will be part of the bountiful harvest of grain and fish at that time as well ( Ezekiel 47:8-9 which BTW already is starting to develop with fresh water inflow where fish have been seen in recent years). There will be ceremonial cleanness needed because those who are still in mortal bodies having children at that time will not be able to stand in God's presence at that time; or around those of us who will be ruling and reigning at that time. It is clear that there is a Millenium because of verses such as Isaiah 65:20 and Zech. 14:18 where rebellion brings swift retribution and or early death. Justice will finally cover the earth as the waters of the sea ( Isaiah 11:9). This is exciting news!

Yes; I agree the Mercy Seat needs to be remembered; as to His mercy on our souls. We also stand in a dispensation when we are blessed if we don't see Him with certain promises and giftings and rewards which are unique and better in some ways than they will be when people CAN see Him. Still; to be able to finally have fellowship on this earth and then in eternity without all these "momentary afflictions" ( 2 Cor. 4:17) will be really great. Either Paul had something SERIOUSLY wrong with him; or glory is beyond belief. We can look at this knowing we will not have to face hell or the judgments about to hit the earth. The Tribulation must come first. Even for us (at least for me) this future hope is still the only thing that gets me through the thick darkness already strangling much of this world. Better a doorkeeper in His house ( Psalm 84:10) than dwell in the tents of the wicked.

Agape; RIch P

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And 1 John 4:3, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." John, as the other apostles, were dealing with an early Docetic heresy which claimed that 'deity cannot unite with the material (e.g. a body)'. Everyone there believed in Jesus' existence on Earth (they saw & heard Him & history records it for us today), but not all believed that this Christ came from God & took on flesh. The false teachers entered the Church then to teach this lie, & had to be refuted.

Does this bother me, that believers over the ages, denied the Deity of Christ? It does indeed, but people can believe what they want about this, for only to God we are answerable. But as I stated earlier, for me (personally), this doctrine is extremely vital, for my salvation & faith firmly hangs onto it. Thus I believe that it must be presented, even if only to refute false teaching. Others can be the judge of what is Truth. Maybe you feel all this debate is unwarranted & unnecessary, but I believe the biblical pattern is to defend the Truth. If I am in error, then please, you or anyone, from Scripture, expose it so that I can consider those verses. But if Truth doesn't matter, or even to discuss it, then why are we even here, or does it even matter in what we believe?

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Thanks David. I hear what you're saying, that "God looks at the heart and not the intellect; that agreement on all beliefs is not required for God to work." And I agree with you.

When the need (or, question) has arisen that requires a response to help one grow in love or in their "walk with God", then yes, there's no need to initiate a discussion/debate on how one understands that this can happen. It will just be opinions on how one has found their love or growth has increased, and this can vary & be specific to each one of us.

And yes, "we don't fight (or even need to fight) for God or His Word"; if by that you mean, that both God & His Word remain eternally consistent & true & what man may offer in contradiction, will never alter the facts. But what happens when the Word is believed but the Truths within it are being compromised, altered, or incorrectly taught? I hear one say, 'don't let that bother you - God is in control - His Word stands sure - His Spirit will guide into all Truth'.

Then why should the apostles have bothered about the health of Christ's Church & be perturbed about false doctrines/teachings entering in? Such as, 2 Peter 2:1-3 (false prophets/teachers); Romans 16:17,18 (wrong doctrine brought in, causing divisions); 2 Timothy 2:17,18 (no future resurrection, destroying the believers' faith); Galatians 1:6-9 (another Gospel); Some of 1st John (refuting Gnostic teaching); core verses in 1 John 2:22,23: "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. And onto 1 John 4:3 (next page).

I will state that the Egyptians were spoiled; but sadly all the gold earrings were used with the golden calf before proper worship began and the tabernacle was built. Later on; of course the whole temple was built. All of these things of course are patterned after heaven; where it will be in the "sides of the north". That could be the part of the sky where heaven is located; and/or in heaven itself where God's throne is located.

There are some interesting concepts with Melchizedek and the fact that somehow true worship wasn't limited to those who were to be the descendants of Abraham; that is in the bloodline of the Jewish nation. This shows; when we study the origin of nations that indeed before pagan worship there was true worship at least in some places AFTER the flood. We can see something to the effect that the boundaries of the nations were divided as per the sons of Israel ( Deut 32:8).

I am going to say some very deep thoughts here. First off; we must consider carefully the image of the beast and his worship that will come. We must remember that Satan came from where he was walking in the midst of the stones of fire ( Ezekiel 28:14-16). The whole pattern; and ornate wealth will doubtless endow the Antichrist in the beginning of the Tribulation as the woman rides the beast in all her glory. (See Habukkuk 2:9-14; Daniel 11:39; Daniel 11:43). No doubt there will be an amalgamation of religions then of course later Antichrist destroys the woman for worship of himself. This shows why we should have no graven images of God. The mind of man cannot fathom these things; and sadly will fall for the man of sin in the Temple.

We shall indeed have things in heaven but also on earth to look forward to; restored and with Satan's influence at last restrained completely. Finally; the veil will be lifted off all nations ( Isaiah 25:7). I do believe in a Millennial Temple; although would think in eternity there will be no more death of animals.

Sir/Ma'am,

Is there a question in there somewhere? I think Sam Cook took the 100 pounds of clay and made a bullfrog named Jeremiah.

Your reliance on the Holy Spirit is you strength. We have to find out who He is to us. He is the Spirit of Jesus.

I learned a lot from studying Paul's life. He was miraculously saved! He thought he should go meet the Disciples in Jerusalem. Didn't quite go as he planned. Jesus sent Paul out into a desert with the Holy Spirit for 3 years! Anything presumptive was dealt with. So this applies to us too (sometimes). We have to be willing to go to the desert if Jesus chooses that. We don't.

If you are chosen to be a ministry gift (Prophet, Teacher, Pastor, Evangelist, missionary) the you need to sit with one of those gifts to see if that is where the Holy Spirit says to be "for a season".

Jesus did no miracles until he was anointed in Luke 4:18

( Isaiah 61). Receive the Holy Spirit to be your Teacher:

1Corinthians 12. 1 Cor. 14:12, 14:38-40.

One thing I never did as a streetevangelist is to pray for salvation for someone on a sidewalk, and leave them in the "blood of new spiritual birth." I called them the next day or day before Sunday; and offered rides to my church. I dressed as they dressed. We sat together on the pews. Some I took them to meet Pastor or see about water baptism if they wanted to be baptized.

Some came to spaghetti dinners at my house. Always lots of fun with music, and testimonies sometimes. I always remember how I was saved. I lost all my good time party buddies; they didn't want to go to church with me :(

I picked a Baptist church thinking it would be less scary. As it happened the Holy Spirit was there. The sermon was "the curse of the Occult." Music minister gave a word of knowledge about someone who WAS in the occult for decades. Come forward. I did. I was healed of all kinds of pain. A Baptist lady told me 75 times I was FORGIVEN.

Trust the Holy Spirit to help you in what you need. Ask for what you need. Let go of pride and false shame.

Streetpreacher

Scripture is the bottom line, period. Add your faith in God.

Jesus took back from Satan; what he stole from Adam and Eve. Authority, power and dominion. All Satan has is deception. We exercise our faith in the name of Jesus, and give glory to God. We have authority to pray in the Name of Jesus.

Read of the miracles the Disciples testified of, in the Bible.

It's your faith on God and your hand upon the sick; and the authority of Jesus inside of us; heals.