Bible Discussion Replies PAGE 551

Nats, thank you for your very kind reply. i kind of look at it this way:

the law then

grace and now

suffering

Jesus healing in his time was to show man who he was

but we are living in the time of suffering and not healing

i wish more churches would teach that Christianity is very hard

and our very big responsibility in maintaining every moment of it our lives

Hi, I was talking to someone about a prayer cloth and they never heard of it. Where is this located in the Bible, so, I can share with them? Thank you in advance for your help

Hello GiGi.

Sorry to intervene to your discussion with Mishael, but maybe I can help.

The greek text actually says "emptied Himself" (greek "eauton ekenose") where the english text says "made Himself of no reputation". Also instead of "robbery" it says "grabbing" ("Harpagen", in greek it is the same word used also for caught up/rapture) and instead of "servant" it says "slave" ( grk "doulos")

Well, emptied Himself of what? His deity/His divine nature? Impossible. His glory, His divine power? Yes, Jesus left aside His glory and His power. Why? Couldn't He keep those? No He couldn't. Why not?

Jesus had to be like us, like a normal man, in order to have the right to represent mankind on the cross. Had He been something different than that, He wouldn't have such a right. So He never used His power. He could have actually ordered His human body not to get tired, not to need sleep, not to feel pain on the cross, even not to die if He didn't wanted to, but in such a case He wouldn't be like me and you, He would have been something different than us. So as an ordinary man He asked Father God to make all the miracles, all the healings. The Holly Spirit gave Him all the teaching. He suffered, He got tired, He felt pain, He cried, He felt hungry and thirsty, ... anything that goes through man's life. He did nothing on His own, it was always Father God and The Holy Spirit who did all the works. This is where, I think, some people get confused. They read all that scripture that present Jesus as human, as a man who always asked Father to do something, as a man who prays to Father, and can not understand why all these if He is God Himself. The anwer always is that He came down here on earth not as God (that He is) but as an ordinary man in order to take the position of every single man who lived throughout the human history and pay the penalty for our sins on the cross, so that we now have the right to become God's children.

Just an opinion, I hope it makes sence. GBU

Dear One Eighty,

Thank you for your reply. I do believe that God can be hateful about things that are contrary to Him and loving about things that are in alignment with His perfections. I don't see that there is a conflict here in God.

I would note that we see these aspects of personality through a sinful lens, so, as is stated, God has said that

"My thoughts are not your thoughts,

Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than Your thoughts." (NIV)

Isaiah 55:8-9

We can not solve what seems to be opposites in the character of God. These are paradoxes, not contradictions. Though in God they seem to us to be conflicting ways, they are actually true. Blessings to you, One eighty.

Larry B.

Not to debate you on this because to hold the view you hold you would have to ignore 2 thirds of scripture.

Here's just a few.

Ezekiel 11:17-20 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Jeremiah 32:37-40. Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Isaiah 48:8-11. Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I KNEW THAT THOU WOULDEST DEAL VERY TREACHEROUSLY, AND WAST CALLED A TRANSGRESSORS FROM THE WOMB.

FOR MY NAME'S SAKE WILL I DEFER MINE ANGER, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.

Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

FOR MINE OWN SAKE, EVEN FOR MINE OWN SAKE, WILL I DO IT: FOR HOW SHOULD MY NAME BE POLLUTED? And I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY UNTO ANOTHER.

God's name is tied to the existence and restoration of Israel.

Nats,

Our resurrected bodies will be like Jesus', with flesh and bones, but glorified, no longer corrupted nor corruptible by sin ever more and no longer mortal, able to physically die evermore.

Nats, I say these things because there is a lot of people who believe that our eternal life will be as spirits and that the spiritual part of us is more important than our physical body, but the Scriptures does not put forth such a view. We are beings that are made to have a body, soul, and spirit forever. So our redemption is of our whole self, not just the spiritual aspects of our being. We are not able to divide ourselves up into three parts: body, soul, spirit, and still be a living human being. God made us this way.

We should recognize that our sinfulness goes to every aspect of our being, all of us is corrupted. But Praise to our Lord, Jesus Christ, that He has thoroughly and completely redeemed us as a human being. Some of the benefits of this redemption we have in this life as a down payment or guarantee of the fullness of our redemption to come in the resurrection.

Dear Nats,

I hear what you are saying here. However, our completeness or wholeness in Christ does involve our body, soul, and spirit. We are a unity of these, making us a human being. Our whole self is corrupted by sin, not just our flesh (body). I think we should always think of ourselves this way and not separate out our soul or spirit as good and our flesh as evil. This is the thinking of the Gnostics and the Docetists in the 1st and 2nd century which was wholly refuted by Apostle John in his epistle and by the leaders of the church at the end of the 1st and into the 2nd century A.D.

God want to heal ALL of our being, and we will be completely healed of the damaging and deadly effects of sin throughout our whole being in the resurrection. In this life, before the resurrection, we can certainly ask for healing of any part of our being that is not well and not functioning as God would have it function. Sometimes He heals this part of our being that we ask Him to heal, and sometimes He does not, as, for instance, Paul's thorn in the flesh. But we can know that the Holy Spirit is sanctifying us soul and body and body ( 1 Thessalonians 5:23) until we are completely sanctified and preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Sanctification frees the believer from sin and makes us pure and holy. Every aspect of our being is to be sanctified by the Holy Spirit, which is the process of re-creation that makes us completely well. As we see in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44

"So also in the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body" (NIV)

Then in 1 Corinthians 15:53-

"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." (NIV)

So, we will be bodily raised from the dead at the resurrection as Jesus' body was raised....

A Sabbaths day journey is about 2000 English yards, about a 1/2 mile

Mark 2:27 And He said unto them, "The sabbath came into being on account of man, ... not man on account of the sabbath:

28 So then the Son of man(Jesus Christ)is Lord of the sabbath also."

What does Sabbath mean? --> "rest" what gives you rest? -->Jesus Christ,,, If your not in the Lord, you get no rest, which is peace of mind.

Every day should be Sabbath day, but then there is a high Sabbath 15 day's after the spring equinox.

Who are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation ?

ROMANS 11:25 For I desire not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this secret, in order that ye should be not wise with yourselves;that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Healing is for spirit flesh is nothing it corrupts ages dies . Healing the breach between us and our God . If we are in Jesus we are healed and with our God. We can break arms legs nose that's just our bodies doesn't matter . It's being close to God through Jesus this is true healing inner peace content waiting for Jesus knowing God's promises waiting for them . Trust God will keep promises .

Hi GiGi,

God truly is far beyond my evaluation, yet to understand Him is to understand my existence.Therefore these issues are of genuine importance to me.

Ok, I don't want to misquote you, yet it appears you've indicated clearly that God is hateful, then immediately followed up with God is truly loving. I'm very simple minded, so I don't understand this. Does not seem reasonable.

Respectfully, I strongly propose that by definition opposites are conflicting. I don't think that can be changed by us, nor for us and for God's benefit. Yes, God does not have conflict within; yet believing conflict can even penetrate the Mind of God would be to attempt to bring Him down to our own level of thinking, which by the way can be very convenient for us, as then we can justify our own wrath and attacks. The Mind of God is pure and cannot be polluted by conflict (salt water). He only knows what He is, and His Creation. What God did not create can only be in my own delusional mind, apart from His. God is Love and Love creates Itself and nothing but Itself.

Peace

God Is

Dear Mike Gyver,

The Godhead made the heavens and the earth. So, Genesis is saying that all that exists, whether earthly or heavenly, whether made of physical matter or are of spiritual substance was made by and for Himself. So, Before the beginning of creation, only the Godhead existed.

It says that God made the heavens first, and then the earth. So, it may be that He made the heavenly, spiritual realm first, then the physical realm. We do not know all that God created in our physical universe, nor all that He created in the spiritual realm. We are discovering some of what is out in space bit by bit, but some reaches of the universe we will never know in this life.

After God made the heavens and the earth, Genesis said that the earth was void and covered with water. And the Spirit hovered over the waters before God continued to create the habitat and inhabitants of the earth.

I do not read in this account where there is frozen dark water out in space. Can you cite your source for that? If this is true, then the Genesis account does not reveal this, we have discovered it through scientific exploration.

Amen Brother.

That reminds me of these verses.

Matthew 23:26. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Amen manuel!!

that is another great one!

i like it with the following verses.

john 6:37-39. all that the father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me i will in no wise cast out.

for i came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

and this is the father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me i should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day!!

great scripture.

thanks and god bless.

Yes, Mishael, we definitely should continue to pray for God to do His miraculous work of salvation in those we know who have strayed from faith in Jesus, and those who have heard the Gospel, yet still refuse to access the grace offered in the Gospel, which brings us to salvation. We also can continue to pray for those who have never heard the Gospel presented to them (either rightly or not at all), asking that God will send out those who will evangelize these people. We all are called to hold out the Word of Truth to those who are lost. Yet, there will be those who will be called specifically to evangelize in areas of our world where the Gospel has been silenced (Communist and Islamic countries in particular) or has not been brought to the people (such as in remote tribes and peoples in more isolated areas of our planet). This is the time of the Great Harvest (the last 2000 years). The gospel is the power of God for salvation today as it has been since its beginning in Jesus' life, death, and resurrection.

Larry,

At the time of the attack and desolation of Jerusalem, there were more Jews already dispersed among the surrounding nations than we residing in Jerusalem. Note that at Pentecost, Jews came to Jerusalem from the surrounding nations to gather for the Feast of Weeks (First Fruits or Harvest). Also, the descendants of the other 11 tribes of Israel had mostly been dispersed into the nations outside of Palestine with only a remnant still residing in the Promised Land in A.D. 70. So the bulk of the 12 tribes of Israel lived in other parts of the world than the Promised Land. Therefore, all of the Jews and Israelites were not killed in A.D. 70 desolation.

Your comment about fake Jews being substituted for true Jews is unfounded, I believe. Can you offer some citations of archeological and historical proof for your view?

Hello, One Eighty,

I think that we operate in opposites, as you stated, but God does not have any conflict within Himself with opposites. He is truly just, which involves His hatred of sin and wrath that brings justice for sin. He is truly loving, thus His eternal plan to bring salvation through His Son. He is truly merciful, thus He shows it to those He created (with the exception of the devil and his evil angels). He is truly all-powerful and completely sovereign, yet He determined that His creatures (humans and spiritual beings) will have the freedom to choose to go against Him. We could go on and on with things that would seem opposites to us, but in God, they are in harmony in His nature. God is far greater that we can ever imagine and His innate abilities allow Him to utilize all of His attributes perfectly, without conflict or change in His Being.

Greetings from God almighty: the creator of heaven and earth and father of Jesus Christ:This book declare the truth, the importance of the commandments and truth about jesus. This also warn everyone about the Antichrist which is already there : paul his writing Roman,galatians, were wrong disregard the covenant of GOD to Abraham and CIRCUMCISION that is why he had initiated discord in the church and have fight against peter.after that the Jews were completely destroyed.' But he may have escaped he was in Rome and was a Roman ' Gen17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people he had broken the covenant THIS IS EVERLASTING. Coincidentally the Jew was ruthlessly destroyed cut off by the Romans Empire .take note that ISMAEL followed the covenant and his children are Billion another co incidence.

God Almighty Bless us all

Mishael,

...continued. We can easily think of the distinction between God and man is within a degree that we can comprehend, thinking humans are but a little lower that Go, but Scripture says that we are a little lower than the angels. The distinction between God and the angels is immense. God is high above all created beings and things. He is pre-eminent and supersedes any created being by an immeasurable degree. So, when we understand this truth about the True God, we can see how Jesus humbled Himself as the divine Son of God by taking the limitations of humanity voluntarily onto Himself forever for the singular purpose of saving us from our sinfulness, to reconcile us to God, to become righteous before God, to have eternal life added to us, to be made incorruptible in the resurrection, and to abide with God forever.

This condescension was truly remarkable and mind boggling. But in the wisdom and omniscience of God, this was what was necessary to bring mankind back from the fall of humanity into sin through Adam to become what God all along has chosen us to be forever. God never wanted us to be forever as Adam was before the fall. He designed us, the world, and history for the purpose of re-creating us in Christ Jesus. how wonderful is that!

Mishael, I know you are very solid in your theology. I just wished to clarify this topic a bit further. If Jesus, indeed, set aside His deity at the moment of His conception in Mary, then He was not fully God, but only human, and though sinless in all ways, as only a human, He could only merit salvation for Himself by His perfect fulfillment of the Law. But as one who truly is (and has been since His conception in Mary) fully God and fully human He is able to save all mankind. Therefore, as a human, He takes the penalty God rightly brings to humanity for all of our sins, but as God He is able to thoroughly expiate the sins of all humanity, triumphing over the power of sin and death in humanity by His sacrificial death.

Good Afternoon, Mishael. I hope you are doing well today.

I love reading your posts. You have such a simple and clear way of sharing your thoughts.

I have often read what you say about Jesus that He set aside His deity to become human. I think you are referring to Philippians 2:5-8 were Paul says:

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God; did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death even the death on the cross." (NIV) (I don't know how to cut and paste the KJV, so you can refer to that if you wish.

This verse does not say that Jesus set aside His deity from His human person, nor that He emptied Himself of His deity as Jesus. It says He humbled Himself. I believe this verse refers to John 17:5 where Jesus said, "And now Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with you before the world was." (NIV)

With these two passages in mind, my viewpoint is that Jesus did humble Himself by divesting Himself of this glory (outward manifestation of the essence of the Godhead) when He became a human being, but He did not change His essential nature from God into a human, as God cannot change Who He essentially is. But He did leave His glory He had with the Father from all of eternity past to take onto Himself a human nature, body, soul, mind, spirit, to become Jesus. He remained 100% God with the addition of 100% human nature to become forever the God-Man Jesus Christ, our Redeemer, Savior, Mediator, and King forever.

Taking on humanity to His divinity was what humbled the Son of God. We are so familiar with Jesus being "God with us" , one of us as to His humanity, that it is easy to forget that the Godhead possesses a transcendency that is beyond our humanity in granduer, majesty, power.

Hi,

I believe the majority on this site are genuinely writing what they perceive what the Holy Spirit and Scriptures are conveying. Nevertheless, sometimes something may seem illogical. In such cases, my lack of understanding certainly does not make something false. Thus, I need to ask questions for clarity sake.

My question: Is God actually the Source of His own suffering of grief? Based on the story of Abraham and Isaac, your conclusion might be true, which is a bit confounding and concerning to me. Is it possible that God can suffer in His Kingdom in which nothing but light and holiness abide? Can anything enter to infiltrate and pollute the peace of God which passes understanding? Is there anything that can literally usurp His Love; His omnipotence? Can fear inhabit the Mind of God in the form of wrath even though perfect love casts fear out. Love-fear/hate, light-darkness, innocence-guilt, life-death, peace-war, forgiveness-wrath, and so on. Can these opposing attributes coexist in God's Mind (Kingdom)? If so, it is reasonable to question; Can God be the opposite of Himself? If God is capable of what opposes Love, I would have to give in to the logic Satan is capable of what opposes fear. I can"t swallow that. It has become clear in my mind, in my opinion, that there is no compromise between opposites, and the truth of one thing must always make the falsity of its opposite perfectly clear. If Love is real, its opposite must be false (not reality). Consideration should be given that God's mind is purely non dualistic, unlike our minds which put our faith in opposites and every degree in between , which will ultimately consciously or subconsciously cause confusion. Faith in opposites should be considered as listening to 2 opposing voices; serving 2 masters. I think most here would agree, God (Love) is everything. Nothing and everything cannot coexist. Thus its imperative to understand all God is. Everything else is NOTHING!

Peace

God Is

Let me greet with ' for GOD the creator, love the world that he gave his only begotten son.and prophesied in matt24. Take note in Ezekiel 43:7 GOD said that Israel will be cursed out of Jerusalem and that is also the time when GOD is building the 2nd temple,

In Matt24:2 I say unto you there shall not be left one stone iIN 70 Ad Romans destroyed and killed all the Jews and Israel of the and they placed the fake Jews to take their place to hide the atrocities done and Jerusalem was destroyed and desolate.True religion was lost and world followed the Roman Catholic church 5. Then war ww1 and2:7-9 present day 10-14 great tribulation 15-30

31 arrival of Jesus

Luke Chapter 23

40 But the other (prisoner) answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

It's never too late to be received by Jesus: death bed, battlefield or other perils. Call upon Him TODAY while He may be found.

All of heaven stands still when someone prays In The Name of Jesus. (per my grandmother)

May God welcome you. Read the Book of John 3

Agreed, I would suggest reading from the beginning of the chapter.

James 1:9 The lowly brother is rejoiced, because he exalts God,,, He is rich in spirit.

1:10 The Rich man is being compared to a flower whereas it die's, the rich man's flesh dies; the rich man is made low because he sought and made worldly riches, not spiritual, or heavenly; these worldly riches does nothing for him in heaven,, he can't take it with him,,, he is low in spirit.

Blessed has become the man that endureth trials: for when he hath become tested, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love Him.

"Jesus delegated His ministry to His disciples. He stayed on earth long enough for HIS DISCIPLES, THEN AND NOW, to continue the work.

In Heaven now, Jesus is at the right hand of God, INTERCEDING FOR THE SAINTS. Those that are born again; or will be. He knows who His THIS DAY, disciples are now (men women and children). I've seen children that know the Word of God from their parents. They teach it to friends on the playgrounds.

HEBREWS 7:23-26

Do not allow Satan to shake your faith in what Jesus taught concerning His return.

Don't get weary in well-doing.

Jesus is returning. The Father will stand up and tell The Son, go get YOUR BRIDE. (people ready for the rapture of the Church). All those invited to the Wedding and the Feast. Read parable of the ten Virgins. (be full of the Holy Spirit's oil of gladness.

We are invited now. We must be born again. Looking for the Bridegroom. Men, women, children, infants, elderly, All Races. An invitation is printed with our names on it.

Again I say to all countries served by this website, you are invited too. Take hold of JESUS. Your religion will not give you access to this event. Be born again according to JOHN 3:16. Give thanks and praise daily. We'll be doing a lot of that when we first see Heaven.

To sinners: the invitations are gone out already. We must receive it and say YES. Don't chance it and procrastinate.

Hi Sheyibrown,

I will share some reasons that I believe help me to strive to honor and keep Holy God's 7th Day Sabbath Command. Hopefully, others here can share the benefits that they may experience when following God's command for us to rest on this Day!

1. God commands us to keep the Sabbath

2. The Holy Sabbath is God's sign to His People

3. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath

4. Jesus Kept the Sabbath

5. We should obey God rather than men

6. The apostles and the first century church kept the Sabbath

7. The Sabbath reminds us of who our creator is

8. The Sabbath provides us with mental and physical rest

9. The Sabbath helps to deepen our faith

10. The Sabbath strengthens our relationships, with family, and brethren

11. The Sabbath brings us closer to God

12. The Sabbath provides dedicated time to draw closer to God.

13. The Sabbath provides us additional blessings from God

14. When we observe the Sabbath we also let our working animals rest on this day.

15. The Sabbath reminds us to help others.

16. The Sabbath reminds us to not be part of this world!

Happy Sabbath Day!

James 1:5 But if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask from God,That giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing doubting.

For he that doubteth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

8 A double minded [unstable] man is unstable in all his ways.

Be patient, have no doubts, ask God for wisdom.

EXODUS 20:1-26

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will NOT hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

I think it is pretty clear that using Gods name in cursing and swearing is forbidden. We praise His Name, as His children. We know in our hearts that it's wrong.

If you read through the prophetic books (Isaiah, Ezekiel etc) you will see the angelic beings in Heaven praising God. It impressed me when I read that.

If we can put God's Name in a swear and feel no shame, or nothing (in our hearts)__we are not born again.

John 3.

Read 1 Corinthians 12:3

People curse God every day. If we hear it endlessly, we might curse God too. That's why we are to separate ourselves away from that. I do ask people to not swear on Gods Name in my presence. They know it's wrong, but they still do it. Sometimes I have to excuse myself and go home.

Truly, it is a call to pray for people who do it without thinking.

I do not watch any TV or movies that speak Gods name as a curse. There are 100's of Christian Movies on YouTube: Jesus of Nazareth, Book of John movie, Paul, Peter. This kind of media can edify the Christian. We can learn. If something is unscriptural, we can spot it, if we know what scripture says.

People will respect us more if we ask them to not swear on God's Name. Truly we don't need to attend parties or other places where alcohol is being served because that's when self-control is diminished.

Hope this helps?

(Streetpreacher)