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Thankyou for reminding me of the great things we have to look forward today . I'm feeling a little insecure in this world at the moment , thankyou for reminding me to keep straight on with my eyes on the prize .

Psalm 119:140 KJV: Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.

Hi Adam

Do you believe the Bible is 100% true and is God's word?

Yes, I do Adam.

If so, do you believe Jesus is the Word as it says in John 1:14 and that He is God and created everything as it says in John 1:1-3?

Yes, I do Adam.

And do you believe Ephesians 2:8-9 is true that we're saved by grace and not by works?

I believe both writings of James and Paul, meaning, we are saved by both grace and works because the two apostles contradict each other.

Going back to your first question,

Do you believe the Bible is 100% true and is God's word?

Yes, meaning, I don't believe Paul over James nor James over Paul but I believe both are teaching true doctrines making the entire Bible 100% true.

Paul says,

We are saved by grace through faith and not by works for if it is by works it is no more grace. (Ephesians and Romans)

Grace comes through faith...

And James says,

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ( James 2:17)

The only conclusion to these doctrines and believing the Bible 100% and not just parts of it would be to say we are saved both by works and grace.

Making what the Book of Mormon prophet Nephi says,

We are saved by grace, after all we can doa true doctrine.

And solidifying Isaiah's doctrine which says,

They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine. ( Isaiah 29:24)

Which, I believe, is speaking about the Book of Mormon.

Adam, do you believe Paul is correct? and do you believe James is also correct?

Jesse Good stuff Bro.

Hi Paul, welcome and I'm sure you'll find an interesting dialog in these forums.

I'm a truth seeker too and believe the Bible. I am interested in what you believe about these 3 questions...

Do you believe the Bible is 100% true and is God's word?

If so, do you believe Jesus is the Word as it says in John 1:14 and that He is God and created everything as it says in John 1:1-3?

And do you believe Ephesians 2:8-9 is true that we're saved by grace and not by works?

God bless

Concluding thoughts

This reminds us of Gideon when he asked the angel whose side are you on and he said "the Lord's side." ( Joshua 5:13-15). As with anything else the attitudes of the heart are more important than a surface level of the law. Or; in order to do what was expected "obedience is better than sacrifice." ( 1 Samuel 15:22). This is why certain functions were only done by priests. Christ Himself; of course was fully God and fully man; certainly the Creator could do as He wished. Mercy and compassion were used over and over to the obstinate Pharisees who Christ would frequently bother doing miracles on the Sabbath. Luke 14:5 shows that compassion to an animal is a "work" that someone with compassion would do if an animal fell in a pit. ( Proverbs 12:10-12).

The law until the church was established was still in effect; and people were told to do what was required but not the way the Pharisees did as they were full of hypocrisy. ( Matthew 23:23). The law now was summarized by Christ by loving God with all your heart; soul; mind and strength and loving your neighbor as yourself ( Luke 10:27). We are asked now in the N.T. NOT to follow "holy days" and such ( Galatians 4:9-10). Some say there is controversy there; but it is clear that Paul did meet on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7); and collections were to be prepared that day ( 1 Cor. 16:2). At the very least; the Son of man being lord of the Sabbath trumps any earlier Sabbath laws since we are under a New Covenant as to having to meet Saturdays.

It would appear that Sunday worship was established; although I will not argue that it is to be substituted for what was Saturday worship; or it is wrong any day to gather for corporate worship. The effect of the law certainly doesn't bring a death penalty. However; many laws that did (the clearest being murder) hasn't helped society today with it's lawlessness; clearly.

Once He comes in the Millennium; He will rule with a rod of iron and enforce law.

I would first quote the Bible verse that the "for the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." ( Matthew 12:8). The issue of working on the Sabbath day was a trust issue at first which really began being judged when the manna being looked for Exodus 16:26-27. The rule was given that a double portion was to be collected the day before for enough supply. The issue of the Sabbath Day however once the law was fully given once again was tested with a man gathering sticks being put to death on the Sabbath. ( Numbers 15:32-36). We need to keep in mind here that God had rules specifically for His chosen nation; and that with more knowledge came more responsibility. They were fully aware in the desert of God's deliverance and chose to rebel over and over. They continued with idolatry and rebellion thus the Lord Himself decreed this. This shows the seriousness of God. He knew this man's heart; it would have been very likely this was open rebellion; to procure self reliance and gain apart from God as small as it seemed. Once one man did this many others would likely follow. Hence; we see God Himself bringing plagues; defeats with foreign armies and other things for disobedience of many laws.

In David's case where he had Uriah the Hittite sent to the front lines to plan his death which was complicit to murder; as well as committing adultery previously with Bathsheeba was also not forgivable according to the law. Since David was said to be a man after God's own heart; the Prophet Nathan indicated that he wouldn't die; but for the sake of not having reproach from their enemies the child would die. ( 2 Sam. 12:14). It is interesting that God uses that for reasoning. The Hittites were the enemies of Israel who were to be destroyed when entering in the Promised Land. Yet Uriah was a righteous man; probably converted to being a Jew. This meant that satisfaction of justice had to benefit his enemies because God's people can't have double standards.

Paul. All truth that you seek are in scripture the bible John 5:39 the main

subject of the scripture is the gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. So if

You seek the truth there is no other book on earth that has spiritually the

Truth.

Warren. Something to consider scripturally we are born again because of

What God has done through Christ it is gift of eternal life holy spirit, so how

Can you lose what you didn't earn. Better yet if you have a child he starts out

Being a great kid but then does things unprofitable isn't he still your son?

Therefore when we are born again spiritually that cannot be lost, God is not

An Indian giver you may choose not to walk but that's not God's fault if we do not

Obey.

If someone put a Bible verse on a headstone the meaning of as the lily of the thorns so is my love for the daughters what does that mean

George. My thoughts on this are I 'm thankful that by God's grace(divine

Favor God to man) that when he saw fit sent messengers I.E. Angels to stand

And fight or teach or minister people who were endeavoring to believe to bring

His will to pass. Also since spirit beings don't procreate what's the point of

Female angels or better yet what difference would it make, another point just

Because there never mentioned in scripture doesn't mean they don't exist.

I am a truth seeker.

And the following comments are not intended to cause contention but rather create a discussion in the contents and passages within the Bible.

And, I, being a believer of the Book of Mormon and a seeker of the truth, believe the words of God to Ezekiel are speaking of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and I'm interested in your thoughts

Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: ( Ezekiel 37:16)

Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. ( Ezekiel 37:19)

And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. ( Ezekiel 37:17)

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: ( Ezekiel 37:22)

The stick of Judah and the stick of Joseph becoming on stick to gather Isreal.

The writings of the prophets in the Book of Mormon (1 Nephi 5:16) knew there genealogy being from the tribe of Joseph.

Therefore, with much certainty, the book of Judah is the Bible and Book of Mormon is the stick of Joseph, I believe.

What are your thoughts?

Furthermore, Isaiah also saw the coming forth of the Book of Mormon saying,

And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed( Isaiah 29:11)

And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. ( Isaiah 29:18)

Certainly, the Bible talks about lost/missing Scripture.

The book of Nathan the prophet, the book of Gad the seer. ( 1 Chronicles 29:29)

The epistle from Laodicea ( Colossians 4:16)

And of the things which Jesus did, John said if they should be written every one, I suppose even the world could not contain the books that should be written. ( John 21:25)

Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon, ( Numbers 21:14)

And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. ( Joshua 10:13)

And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon? ( 1 Kings 11:41)

Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat? ( 2 Chronicles 9:29)

Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually. ( 2 Chronicles 12:15)

In modern Greek Bibles it is always Sunday in Rev 1. I have never read or heard anything different over here.

Precious Book.

Hi GiGi,

I am good thank you for asking. Happy to hear from you back.

I am doing some processes in getting rehired after I impulsively resigned from a previous job.

Now it is not me who will decide for me, I do not want to make wrong decision and regret it later, so this time I wont forget praying for everything and let God do the work in my life and my family, loved ones, and for every believers.

The world is really a battleground and we will end up tired and weary,.. discouraged,.. if we don't put Jesus in the center of our lives...

God bless you and your beautiful boys and the whole family!

The question is, once you are saved and backslid, are you still saved?

Amen Brother Fred Scanlan:

Psalms 136:3 O give thanks unto the LORD of LORDS .....

Deuteronomy 10:17 For the LORD your God is GOD of GODS, and LORD of LORDS .....

Revelation 17:14 .....for he is LORD of LORDS, and KING of KINGS .....

Joshua 22:22 The Lord GOD of GODS, the LORD GOD of GODS ....

Psalms 82 :6 I have said YOU are gods, the children of the most high.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, Ye are gods?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he did also predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ, the firstborn (God) among many brethren (Gods).

God Bless YOU, Christ's BODY.

What was King David's "affliction"?

Hi Maggie.

Can you provide any scripture with this reference.

Thanks and God bless.

Maggie. I would stop condemning myself for having to work Sunday, this

Is the age of Grace wherein walking via the spirit in love is 24/7 or everyday

For a believer is holy. Many Christian's I know work the sunday and are blessed

They have a job that meets their need. Trust me God is not judging you for

This, also Jesus Christ condemned the religious leaders for that kind of

Thinking, remember the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.

Jesus Christ, The Messiah ... King of Kings, and Lord of Lord's, God's role of office,,,Praise HIM ... Check out Psalms 110

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him.

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;(Abraham would not tithe to a type)

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

There's only ONE King of righteousness !!! King of Peace !!!

Spartacus. One other point on John in the spirit, that condition is receiving

Information that cannot be known by the five senses it is supernatural it is not

analytical. Example in Acts Chapter 10 when Peter saw heaven open and

The vision of the vessel with animals that was revealed info or given by the

Spirit information to either show teach or explain what God wants done. It

Never contradicts scripture and always Glorifies God and blessed the receiver

And those it pertains to. To unbelievers most of the time it's not good news.

Also the true God will always communicate to the individual so they understand

It and there:s never confusion. This is in addition to what Jesse shared.

E. ...What a wonderful post GBU in Jesus Name.....My My My....Thank you Jesus...

I like your posts very much brother Fred. God Bless You and Your Family.

Jesse you won't be offended if l make some linguistic corrections, will you?

a. The greek text says "bacame/was/was made in spirit". In greek Bibles it is always interpreted as " came into spiritual ecstasy.

b. People at that time used only capital letters without punctuation. It was a lot later that small letters and punctuation came in use.

c. In Rev 1, Lord's Day is Sunday actually. History. The early church greek christians abandoned the pagan names of the week and started using the Hebrew ones (First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Preparation, Sabbath), with one exception, they renamed the first day as Lord's Day to honor the day Jesus was resurrected from the dead and use it as their formal day for the church service. These names are still in use in Greece and few other countries as well. The name Lord's Day for Sunday is still in use in Romance languages too ie Italian (Domenica), Spanish (Domingo), French (Dimanche), even in English speaking countries the R.Catholic church uses this name in their Liturgies. ..

In the Book of Acts Sunday is still called the first day of the week, but the Revelation was written more than 50 years later (100AD) at a time when the name Lord's Day came in use among christians. Apart from the Bibke, the first early christian to mention this name was Justin the martyr in his "First Apology". (approx. 150AD).

Linguistically talking since you study Koine Greek, If it was "day of the Lord" as the day of the second coming of Jesus or the day of judgement, in Greek it would have been " ten hemera toy Kyriou" but it is "ten Kyriake hemera" [in your Lexicon instead of "y" it has "u" I believe, this is due to a change of pronouncing the greek letter u(y)psilon from antiquity to nowadays]. It is a different expression because it is reffered to that specific day of the week, Sunday

GBU

Chris Amen ..Well said Gbu....Love your post...ty

Thank you Henry and I agree with what you've written. Maybe I've misunderstood Richard's comment & he could clarify it. Thanks for your help.

Jesus is the sabbath! If you are living in Him, then you also are become the sabbath. Judge not according to appearance ,but judge righteous judgment.

To be king, one must have the heart of one!

To be a king in the kingdom, requires determination and the love for His heavenly Father! A selflessness, leading and feeding the children of God. Knowing His will, living in His judgments, even suffering those moments that are from Him, these judgments, others who don't know Him, may never know.

This was the man David, who's heart was toward God, who would make some mistakes finding himself in a bad way, along the way because of sin. His family and friends turning on Him, finding himself on the run for His life. He would know of nowhere to go , but the house of God! How a natural born king could find himself in such a way?

David with His two body guards, open the doors and find no one their. No one their to get the permission to eat. No one their for consolation, no one their to absolve Him from sin. This day being the Sabbath, David becomes bold, falling on His knees!

David who's heart is toward God, reaches into the altar, takes of those things that are given freely to those who love God.

Without the priest, David a leader in eyes of God, will now receive the forgiveness, strengthened to go forward in his own righteousness, found in and through the bread and wine! A Bread and wine at the alter of life! The bread of life!

Those who understand what it means to love God, are become friends to the King. A king who reigns and rules now and forever more! Jesus the Christ, our sabbath even in the darkest of time.

Repent and be Baptized