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I have just recently found out that my uncle who I thought was a born again Christian denied the savior on His death bed. This is unbelievable news . A doctor of music, and a teacher and fine person, took Aunty to church, I stand staring and wondering how these things could be. Even so, I am comforted to know that he had listened to me at times while discussing the Holy Spirit and the things that pertain to the salvation of man, Assuming, that he had faith in Christ, in his sacrificial atonement for man!

Now I say this, I neither know the things or profess the things that come upon a soul when entering into judgment! The separation from the body of the soul, whether or not there is a battle that takes place for the unconverted soul in those who yet do not believe. Or perhaps it is nothing more than what the scripture says.

Scripture does say ""And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

This I do know, is that we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God. Those that believe what Christ did on the cross, Jesus becomes our mediator between God and man! Those who have not, shall be judged by the law. The same law they lived by!

I would not want to appear before God without knowing Christ, standing before the Father without the sinless garment only Christ can provide.

Even so, how could we know the love without the sacrifice? This sacrificial love of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Could this love we have for Christ be any different than the love a Father or Mother have for their children?

Perhaps not, even so, what greater love hath a man, than that He lay down His life for another!

I am perplexed beyond imagination, that one could forfeit such great love as we have been given in the Savior!

Repent and be Baptized

Many believe the 2 witnesses will be Moses and Elijah, which represent both the law (Moses) and the the prophets (Elijah). This perception is based on the fact that both were seen with Christ in the gospels by Peter on the Mount of Transfiguration where Peter asks Christ if he should build 3 tabernacles, 1 for Moses, 1 for Elijah and 1 for Christ.

My walk in the LORD GOD should always be "salted" in the joy I have because of CHRIST JESUS in me. As I adhere unto the things of GOD, I can be assured that the LORD will hear and answer my prayers and supplication. 1 John 5: 14, 15

At this junction, our country is facing grave and dangerous outcomes with our current leaders and the direction we are heading with their current economic, social, and religious ideologies. I must go before the LORD as depicted in

2 Chronicles 7:14, 15.

The disciples asked the LORD JESUS why they couldn't heal the demon possessed boy, and the HE replied "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting." Matthew 17: 21 If I desire healing for our land and country, I must become "salt" and turn from the leaven and honey; and praise the LORD in HIS great commission. If I am of CHRIST, then I must set my "...affections on things above and not on this earth..."

I must be willing to present my body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto my GOD. "...And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Romans 12: 1, 2

I write this post to remind myself of what I need to do and where my devotion unto my LORD stands at this point in my walk with HIM.

I praise the LORD for all the saints on this forum and their love for the LORD JESUS CHRIST. The sharing, declaring, and proclaiming the precious things the LORD has done for you is certainly encouraging for me to read and glorify HIM.

Numbers 6

24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

The LORD to lift all who love HIM and await HIS soon and imminent coming. Titus 2: 11-15

September 26, 2022

Hi Anthony

I will make just this comment and stop because I don't really have time to write lenthy posts during the week.

So, the tribulation of people who will decide to not accept the mark of the beast will be persecution and slaughtering (but not only). This is right. But for the rest of the world it will be those cataclysmic events described in Rev. How is it possible people getting on with their everyday life like buying, selling, marrying, building etc when the whole world is falling apart? Earthquakes that distruct the 1/3 of the cities of the world, 1/3 of waters becoming blood, world war (nuclear I suppose), 1/3 of people and animals die, stars falling on earth, sun and moon getting dark, and people get on with their lives? How is that possible? Those events will not occur after Jesus comes back but before. And how is it possible that the day of the Lord comes as a thief at night when it is known that when those things start occuring there will be only 7 (or so) years left till the end? How is it possible Jesus warning us (the believers) not to be busy with cares of this world when believers will be slaughtered? Actually they will not be able to do anything really since they will not have the mark on them. It is obvious I think that those two events, the rapture and the 2nd coming of Jesus will occur in different dates because the events accompanying them are completely different. But I think you are implying that those events of the tribulation will follow Jesus 2nd coming. But this is wrong. Rev 10:7 "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets." So everything (the distruction) that happens before that 7nth angel sounds is before Jesus' 2nd coming. But the mark of the beast is placed on people after that 7nth angel. So what should be the conclusion?

Anyway thanks for the conversation, I may come back to this some time later on.

GBU

since covid i have not physically went back to church but continue to watch on fb live, is that wrong?

What does it mean that Jesus took the sins of the world too the cross? What impact has this upon you and me? And, what does it mean that He became flesh, that He came in the form of a man, and dwelt among us?

If you can come to grips with these truths, you will only begin to touch the surface of the goodness that flows from the veins of a savior like this one who is alive and has never died!

This Jesus we worship has become what we could never achieve, nor be part of a kingdom that thrives even now!

If you are not part of this kingdom, than you cannot see the things that belong to those who love Him! You , perhaps hiding avoiding the heat of the day!

A heavenly kingdom complete already and waiting for you!

Some of us, who where hired long ago, these will be the last, the last for a good reason! These who have excepted Him , doing His will until the end. These are the ones who have the strength, enduring from the beginning knowing the wages will be the same. These wages we earn because of what He has already done, we too becoming as He Is!

These are the wages that can only come from above! Soon the lines will form for payment, where will you be? Will you be watching and waiting? Waiting to see how His servants react, as payment begins?

The Holy Spirit is waiting for you. You must receive Him as He calls you into His vineyard, Don't be left waiting and watching, soon the times of restitution will begin, and the lines will be gone forever! Repent and be Baptized

What does the words in Mathew 6 ,;- 34 mean in context of marriage

I posted a previous comment but probably did it wrong as I don't see it; but in that comment i said that it Eve was probably created on the 6th day, as that was when Adam was created but I wasn't sure because God rested on the 7th day; and thus I wondered did He create her after He rested; but now I am sure He created Eve on the 6th day not only because I think the Bible says he rested after all His creations; but also Time does not mean much to God if in fact it means anything; but it does mean a lot to me and Adam and other people as we only live so long; and thus He created Eve to be sure in Adam's time and of course she had children for Adam etc.....

Amen Bro. PROPHECY...GBU....You are so right PROPHECY they don't realize that the wrath of God is the LOVE OF GOD.... Hebrews 12:6...Whom the Lord Loveth he Chastens.....And scourged every son whom he receiveth.. Hebrews 12:6....If ye be without Chastisment then are you bastards and not sons....Now are we the sons of God....Even in the natural we chastise our kids simply b/c we love them...Now no Chastening for the present seems to be joyous but grievous... Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount ZION THE CITY OF THE LIVING GOD, That HEAVENLY JERUSALEM..To huge host of Angels....PROPHECY GBU MY BRO.

13:33 Giants

wasn't that on the 6th day? I think that Eve was created from Adam but God rested on the seventh day and so I really don't know when Eve was created whether it was before God rested or after? I would have to reread about it to see if I can see the sequence.

The word Cloud used by Paul as Crowd; as in a crowd of witnessess in Hebrews 12:1 just as he does in 1 Thessalonians 4:17

1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Corinthians 15:51 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Hello Giannis

a. I do not believe in a pre or mid tribulation rapture because Christ makes it clear in Mathew 24 that he will return immediately after the great tribulation.

b. God's day of wrath does not occur during the great tribulation. The great tribulation will be a time of testing for God's people as they are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ. This will be worse than ever before because the man of sin will have been revealed. The abomination of desolation will be standing in the holy place. Jesus said that there will be huge demonic activity at this time.

The unbelievers will be eating and drinking, marrying, and working so they are not suffering the wrath of God at this time. In fact, they are not prepared for the wrath which is to come.

The bible does not describe the great tribulation as God's wrath.

c. During the great tribulation will experience testing worse than ever before

d. "So there is no way God orders His angels to destroy, that is to "kill" His children together with the wicked world. Noway at all. My opinion. "

Gianna, I agree with you that is why the great tribulation is separate to the day of wrath.

Just like Lot was removed from Sodom by the angels on the day of destruction when God poured out his wrath on that city, so it will be that Christ will send his angels to remove his saints from earth on the day of His wrath, before pouring out his wrath on the unbelievers.

We will be taken up to be with Christ whereupon he will begin to destroy the earth along with those unbelievers who remain on the earth.

This is all made clear in Mathew 24.

Revelation is best understood in the light of the clear teaching of Christ. Peter and Paul also address the end times with great clarity.

PS the bible does not state the duration of the great tribulation. In fact Christ says that nobody knows the day or the hour He will return except the Father.

There is no reason to believe that it lasts seven years based on the scriptures.

Baptism spoken of here has to be both of water and of the spirit. water for repentance accepting Jesus as our Lord and God and spirit (holy ghost) for power to do the works of the sprit as Jesus promised he would send when he returned back to his father.

Hi GiGi,

Neither do I get that God would hate what He would redeem, for this would be to do evil that good may come, which is in direct opposition to the principle Paul established as he was guided by the Holy Spirit, that we should NOT do evil that good may come, for fear of just damnation (wrath) from God: Romans 3:8.

In regards to God hating humans, I'm certain you are aware of Malichi 1:3 which I believe Paul was referring to "As it is written" in Romans 9:13.

You stated, "I think it says that it is because of His loving kindness that He does nor destroy humans because of their sinfulness." To this I would suggest Matthew 10:28.

I'm inclined to think hate is hate just as love is love, although each can appear in different forms, which is the only thing hate and love have in common. As I've mentioned numerous times, Love can only create Itself and nothing but Itself. In the same manner, hate produces hate, meaning also that it cannot create Love. There is no compromise between the two. Actually, the two cannot even communicate with each other. We tend to think that fear as well as Love can be communicated and also be shared. Yet this this is not so real as it may appear; those who communicate fear are promoting attack, and attack always breaks communication, making communication impossible. How is it possible that God or The Prince of Peace have peace in condemnation, attack, wrath, vengeance, damnation, etc? If this is God, then what kind of unimaginable monster is the evil devil. Or if this is God, then its opposite must be Love, full of mercy,compassion, light, joy, and forgiveness?? This is simple logic.

Outside the two scriptures I mentioned about the Bible saying that God hates parts of His Creation, I'm not aware at this time where it says this anywhere else. Once is enough. Yet, there are many biblical passages in Scripture that reflect hate and darkness from God. I don't know if I will ever be able to accept this.

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God Is.

What is the difference between the Bible word "Election", "Chosen", and "Predestination", seeing some camps seem to use them interchangeably? Election can cover not just salvation, but calling and purpose (i.e. Israel). Thank you.

Dear Emily,

I will pray for Gianna tonight. Bless you for continuing to put her on our hearts to pray for her. she is blessed to have a fiend like you.

Dear Heavenly Father, in Jesus' name we pray, Help Gianna right now and protect her from harm from without and within herself. do not allow her to lose contact with Emily and others who care so much for her. Send the remedy she needs to overcome this troublesome mindset that has gripped her. In Jesus' name , release the hold of this mindset on Gianna and restore in her a sound mind and peaceful spirit. Keep her from running away from You. Turn her around towards You and help to see You waiting with Your arms wide open to receive her and love her like no one else can do. Father, we trust You to answer our prayers for Gianna today. Amen.

Hello One Eighty,

Haven't heard from You for a while.

I am aware of Romans 9 passage. Can you give me any more passages that speaks of God hating humans.

I know that He hates the wickedness in us and those who are rebellious to Him are not favored by Him. But I do not know if that means He hates these people in ways we hate. I think it says that it is because of His loving kindness that He does not destroy humans because of their sinfulness. I am not saying that God does not hate. But His aim is to redeem as many as will come to Him when the Spirit draws them with the Gospel. So I cannot seem to get that He would hate what He wishes to redeem.

I know that Romans 9 speaks of some creatures who are targets of His mercy and others who are vessels of His wrath. I am not sure if He is referring only to humans here or if He is referring to humans as objects of mercy and the fallen angels as the vessels of His wrath since the Lake of Fire was prepared before they were even created as the place for them to receive His wrath forever.

What day did god create Eve

Hello again Richard.

Hmmm I was not aware that you had not had any responses to your posts for some time. That surprises me. I always read what you write. I like how you take a book and go right through it chapter upon chapter. I am trying to do that, too. But am very slow at it as I am only in Exodus. But that pace is what I do now. I do enjoy conversing with people on here. It helps me stay focused on what is really important, even in Christian conversations. I am learning quite a bit on here and your posts are part of this learning and growing in me. Thank you. Keep up the good work, Richard. God knows what He will do with your obedience even if you do not yet see the fruit. This idea makes me smile as I think that we do not need to depend on instant or quick results to know whether what we do from the leading of the Holy Spirit is worthwhile or not. God uses us and many times does not have anything bounce back to us for some time. But we should be satisfied that we have done what He has led us to do and leave it at that. I try to be content in whatever situation I find myself in, trusting God to bring about good from it for others and for myself as well.

I am blessed to be married to a man who believes, too. Our whole relationship from the beginning of our first date up to now (45 years later) have been as believers. He is fairly quiet and reserved. As with our 3 sons, he is introverted and I am the lone extrovert in our family though I come from a whole, big family of extroverts, mostly. Too many bossy sister, that is for sure. haha. I have learned a lot living with introverts and that has led me to be more sensitive to their needs as far as interactively and emotionally. I have needed to set aside my preferences and bents for their needs more often than not. That is a good thing. It is part of dying daily to self, I believe. I certainly am not one to insist on my one way nor to need to run the show. So, God is at work in our family. Praise to Him.

Yeah, that's where you lost me bro, Christ comes to establish God's Kingdom Here on Earth, no one goes anywhere, we are CHANGED when He returns.

All who are alive and remain (will) go through the tribulation, only difference is those who have the seal of God will not be touched by the Locust army,,, it is commanded by God

Who are these locusts? God's Army

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you.

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

Revelation 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:3 - 7 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

9:4 And it was commanded them{locust army} that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; (but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.)

What is a womans role in a married couple placing membership in a church?

I appreciate your comments. Haven't heard anything for probably 2 months on any postings on the site.

You probably don't need these admonitions. That is a hard saying; how God is impartial. He will bless those who bless Him; and curse those who curse Him. It seems you have a great desire for the Word; and having a husband in the faith; hopefully you are growing as well in the role God has given you in this life. It is the fact that those who are hundredfold that have the greatest rewards is simply God's character being reflected; as well as gaining more "interest" as it were because of heavenly rewards. He who sows in tears will reap in joy. ( Psalm 126:5-6). It goes against the flesh to invest time and energy and finances in ministry for the Lord but we are told that we MUST believe that God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him ( Heb. 11:6). These crowns of course extend to those who patiently hope and wait for His coming; those in leadership over the church (held to a higher standard); a special one for martyrs; and several other designations. We may cast our crowns at His feet but as adopted children we have eternal promises and positions. It is hard to say in eternity as compared to the Millennium the differences in rulership; etc. Obviously it is better to be a doorkeeper in the house of God than to be lost and cast out.

It is not taught today how some will make it through the Bema suffering loss getting in as through the fire ( 1 Cor. 3:15). Revelation 3:11 is not taught much either. One of my frequent comments on that is that if I fail I'd better be honored to see someone else exalted due to my lack of service. God will use anyone as a method of spreading salt and light; some sowing others reaping the benefits.

Sad truth today is that there are few who can discern those who are shining as the stars among the masses of confessing Christians ( Daniel 12:3 associated with leading many to righteousness).

Agape; Rich P

Miya, I am so sorry that this has come of your marriage. This indeed is very sad news. I will pray for you, your husband, and children today.

Dear Heavenly Father, we ask You in the name of Your Son, Jesus, to help Miya in this situation. Give her wisdom and strength to follow what You will for her and her family. Give her a heart that will listen to You, a mind that will think clearly and reasonably though so troubled, a soul that will remain hopeful in You and Your ways. We ask that You will bring repentance and guidance to her husband. If he is not the best person for Miya to remain with, please have him part from this situation respectfully and responsibly. If he is the one You wish to stay with Miya, then repair this relationship in love and trust. Protect these children during this painful time. Help both Miya and her husband be careful what they say to one another and especially what they say around these children. Lord, Miya is heartbroken. She is feeling such a sense of loss and betrayal, as You know better than anyone. I ask that You comfort and cover her during this time. Help her to always have a right perspective and attitude during this trying time. Keep her from temptations to hurt this man back for what he has done, from harsh words, from spitefulness, from depressing thoughts, from hostility, and from being easily swayed into agreements that may not be best for her or the family. We ask these things of You, Father because this situation is so much bigger than Miya is able to cope with. Only You can do miraculous things and can bring about a good resolve to this relationship. We ask that Miya find her sufficiency in You, O Lord. Amen.

Jacqui,

So glad to have you here with us. be blessed today, in Jesus' name.

Good day, Job

This is a good question to ponder. It is similar to asking questions like: Why does God love us? Why does God hate sin? Why does God desire to be worshipped? The Scriptures tell us that God's thoughts are higher than ours and His was are far above ours to fully understand.

I think of reasons why God is He is a jealous God along these lines:

God knows that He alone is God and there are no other gods, even if anyone chooses to worship one other than Himself. Therefore all worship of idols is false because the god worshipped is just a vaporous idea with no substance, no power, no divinity, nothing to offer the worshipper.

God knows that worshipping Him is the best for all He has created. He knows that only He can satisfy all of what His creatures and wants to do this for those who worship Him alone.

God knows that idolatry can never bear good fruit. Its fruit is always rotten and, even more so, poisonous, always destructive to the worshipper.

God knows that what He has in store for all those who believe in Him and worship Him only is far more than what anyone can ever have in this life., that is eternal life of knowing Him and His Son, Jesus.

God knows that idolatry leads to more and more sin, which He hates, and it deadens us to Him even more.

God has compassion for those he has created and so does not want His creatures to suffer needlessly due to idolatry.

God desires for all to be saved through faith in Him alone. Anyone who worships idols cannot have this salvation He desires for them to receive.

God's ultimate purposes in creation, redemption, and eternal life are not realized by idolaters. These people do not receive the gifts He has laid up for those who worship only Him.

I hope these ideas help you to understand why God does not want us to turn from Him to any idols or to choose to worship Him and idols at the same time. This is what He is jealous about. This jealousy is for our good, not because He is selfish or conceited.

Anthony

a. If I understand well you believe in a rapture in the midst of those last 7 years or sometime before the 2nd coming of Jesus on earth?

b. The Revelation is not written in chronological order. God's wrath will not occur only at the end but also during those 7 years. Rev 15:7 "And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven ANGELS seven golden vials FULL OF THE WRATH OF GOD who liveth for ever and ever." It is God's punishment of the sinful world. This is what causes the great tribulation. They are not due to physical causes. If the great tribulation is not due to God's punishment, what is it then? Which are causes of that tribulation and which events are a result of that tribulation? What do you actually mean with great tribulation?

c. The tribulations in one's life that Paul talks about are persecutions due their faith and for their spiritual training. They are a completely different thing from that great tribulation.

d. Lets read carefully the discussion Abraham had with the Lord just before the distruction of Sodom and Gommorah, it shows how God thinks and how God acts in similar cases.

Genesis 18:23-33

"And Abraham drew near, and said, WILT THOU DESTROY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED?

Peradventure there be FIFTY righteous within the city: WILT THOU DESTROY AND NOT SPARE THE PLACE FOR THE FIFTY RIGHTEOUS THAT ARE THEREIN?

THAT BE FAR FROM THEE TO DO AFTER THIS MANNER, TO SLAY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED: AND THAT THE RIGHTEOUS SHOULB BE AS THE WICKED, THAT BE FAR FROM THEE: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?

And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I WILL SPARE ALL THE PLACE FOR THEIR SAKES.

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And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure TEN shall be found there. And he said, I WILL NOT DESTROY IT FOR TEN'S SAKE."

So there is no way God orders His angels to destroy, that is to "kill" His children together with the wicked world. Noway at all. My opinion.

Dear Frederick. I will pray for you today.

Heavenly Father, Gracious Lord, we come today in Jesus' name asking You to restore to Frederick, myself, my sons, and other's loved by believers all that has been stolen, devoured, or destroyed by the evil one. We know that you can make all things new, bring back from the dead that which is destroyed, recover what is lost, replace blessing for what is meant to harm us, repair all that is broken, uplift all who are downtrodden, redeem all who are astray, and work all things for good for those who love You. So, knowing these things are true, we ask that You indeed hear our prayers and take back from the enemy all that he has done to us and undo all the harm he has brought upon us. We are so thankful for your loving care and faithfulness, LORD GOD. Amen.

Dear Richard,

Thanks for the good words on our heavenly reward.

I was just thinking yesterday about this as my husband and I were driving on such a sunny fall day. Considering the beauty of the natural environment, I thought that since God created such beauty and enjoyment on this earth in this life, how much greater will be the beauty and enjoyment of our heavenly life! I don't think we will ever grow tired or bored of what we will possess in our heavenly life. Just the eternal infinite perfection of God in all of His ways will be captivating to us for all eternity.

I love what John the Baptist said of Jesus, "He must increase and I must decrease." ( John 3:30). Our sanctification will bring this same attitude in us. Although God can never increase in any aspect of His Being, but our view and esteem for him will increasing grow in glory and our esteem for ourselves will lessen as we understand more fully how God deserves all the honor, glory, and praise, not us. It helps us understand why in John's vision in Revelation that the angels and elders would fall before the throne of God crying "Holy, Holy, Holy" continually. We will have that same esteem for Him. All to Jesus, holding nothing back for ourselves, knowing we have everything in Him anyway and will never lack for any good thing. How wonderful that will be.