Bible Discussion Replies PAGE 352

Hello again Jimbob.

Since the KJV was written it may be the most printed (and sold) book IN ENGLISH. But through the centuries and also in many other countries, the Bible is written in other languages and therefore not the KJV. I can pretty much bet that there are more non-English KJV bibles in the hands of Christians around the world now and in the past that have out-sold the KJV. But that said, number of Bibles sold does not do anything to test the veracity of the KJV or any other Bible. Those people reading a non-english Bible (and therefore not a KJV) are still getting saved by what they read and hear preached in their language. The gospel is the power of God for salvation and the Holy Spirit uses it and Scripture to regenerate and teach those who are being saved. It is a work of God, not of man.

Jimbob, I don't think that I have much more to add to this conversation as I think that Chris has answered your inquiry very well. But i sense that you will stand firm on your ideas concerning the KJV, so, to me, for me to comment further is unfruitful.

1John 1:9, Romans 7, Paul speaks of struggle, 1Corinthians 6:19,

Romans 8, Psalms 139,

There are many people in scripture that were stressed to point of wanting death, even Jesus Matthew 26:38, however the ones that trusted in GOD had the best outcomes. Sometimes it seems things will stay bad but things will change & life is worth living! You have people you haven't met yet, beautiful things you haven't seen yet. You have a better relationship with GOD you haven't experienced yet, don't harm yourself. Jesus said "those forgiven much Love much." Luke 7:47,

I pray you seek the LORD, trust Him at His word 1John 1:9, & for a better day ahead. Read the scripture when you're feeling that way & keep praying. Maybe even speak to a counsellor.

Deuteronomy 30:19,

Hopefully these are helpful

Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 11:1,

Leviticus 18, note the whole chapter, ending with Leviticus 18:30, Leviticus 20, Deuteronomy 7:25-26, please read in context Deuteronomy 7, Deuteronomy 12:28-32, Deuteronomy 13, Deuteronomy 18:9-22, Deuteronomy 22:5, Deuteronomy 23:17,18, Deuteronomy 24:1-4, Deuteronomy 27:15, Deuteronomy 25,

Leviticus 11, Proverbs 3:32, Proverbs 11:20,

1Kings 11:1-14, 2Kings 23:13, Proverbs 16:12, Proverbs 28:9,

Proverbs 12:22, Proverbs 15:8,9,26, Proverbs 17:15,

Hopefully these are helpful

Proverbs 6:16-19 lists seven things which are also abominations: "haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Curious-T,

I'm sorry if my response did not answer your question. Please allow a second shot at it.

You asked two questions. First question was if 1 Corinthians 1:18 means that we wear gold crosses around our necks?

My answer to that would be no.

Your second question: does 1 Corinthians 1:18 mean that we go to the tattoo parlor and ask for a cross to be etched/cut into our skin.

My answer to that would also be no. I gave you my understanding of what that verse means.

Again, your question is "Are we supposed to wear crosses on our necks?"

I do not know of any scripture that forbids it. There is scripture that speaks against idols and worship of idols. I suppose if a person does not worship or idolize a piece of jewelry or any other material possessions, that person would be okay.

Also, Luke 14:27 does not address your question. "Whosoever does not bear his cross" doesn't mean whosoever does not wear a cross around his neck.

What does it mean to bear ones cross?

Here in our culture, basically people understand it to mean whatever hardships I have to go through today, I'm just bearing my cross for Jesus. Except that whether you are a Christian or not, you are going to go through difficulties. It is not what it means.

When Jesus died on the cross, He died my death.In reference, you can read Romans 6:1-14, and Galatians 2:20.

What does it mean to take up your cross?

You see, when I received the life of Jesus Christ, I also received His death. That's why Paul can say in Philippians, "Oh that I might know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings."

Power to live and power to suffer go hand in hand. But they are not my sufferings. They are the sufferings of Christ. But when He died on the cross, He died my death. He died in my place therefore I have died. But my biggest struggle in life is that every day, my flesh is trying to get down off that cross.

GiGi thank you for your opinion. Jesus Christ was (The Word) that became flesh on this earth. The devil tried to tempt Jesus (The Word) in the wilderness by twisting scripture, think about that! If the devil tried to tempt Jesus Himself, why would the devil not try to deceive people by twisting scripture in the Lastdays to deceive people who think they are reading, and studying the True Word of God? In Ps.12:6-7 God promised to keep and preserve His Words for ever. The word (keep) #8104; it means guard, to protect. The word (preserve) #5341; it means to guard, to protect, maintain. The Word of God will never change. Do you think God is only guarding, protecting the original documents in the original languages? Do you have a copy of the originals? Do you know anybody who has a copy? Even if you did, who could read them? Rev.20:11-12 says at the great white throne judgment the dead will be judged by the books that are opened, out of those things which were written in the books. How could a Just God judge them from books that they had zero chance to possess, so they had no opportunity to read the True Word of God? As one of my comments above shows the books opened at the great white throne judgment will be the Words of Jesus Christ, see (Jn.12:47-48) There are many places in the Bible that tell us the Word of God will never change. Also The KJB is the most printed book of all time. Anybody has the opportunity to possess, to read, and study the True Words of God! One more thing, The KJB is the only Bible you can take the words back to the original languages to get the True meaning of the words ((in the original language)). You cant do that with modern versions because they changed so many words. God is in control of spreading His Truth for all to have a chance to have it. You can buy a KJB almost anywhere. Many people put their faith, or trust in the hands of man translating the KJB, God was in Control, and God doesn't make mistakes! Thank you again GiGi

Hello Curious T.,

No, I don't believe we're supposed to wear crosses. Leviticus 26:1, nowhere does it say wear a cross, as jewelry. However it does say not to make idols.

Recently I thought, if a person had a friend that was killed by gunshot & had a miraculous recovery. How would he feel, if when he returned to his friends & family, they had an image of the gun or bullet around their neck, to honor him. I would think it would be upsetting to say the least. Wouldn't he say, "your missing the main point." isn't it the life lived?Jesus himself being the example of a loving life, helping others in need? & the hope & promise of resurrection. John 5:21-29, 1Corinthians 15:42-58, John 11:25, Ecclesiastes 5:15, 1Timothy 6:7,

Bare your cross: Luke 14, looking at context, whole chapter Jesus in doing the better thing by healing, suffered rejection, hate, wrongful judgement.

A cross is painful, it's obvious, on view for everyone to see, not something we can hide in our pocket. It causes ridicule & even division. Luke 14:11, Luke 14:12-14, Luke 14:17-20,24, Luke 14:26,27, also Matthew 10, note Matthew 10:36, Matthew 10:17,18, Matthew 10:21, Matthew 10:22, please read in context Matthew 10, Matthew 10:32-42, & Luke 9:22-26, also Matthew 16:21-28, Mark 8:29-38, Mark 10:14-52,

Philippians 2:1-15, Colossians 1:10-29 ,

Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

Amen Brother Ronald.

We have no control when and how God chooses to call us Home.

I'm just happy to witness the Lord in his life and to be a big part of that.

God bless.

Hello Jimbob, I have been following this conversation and I agree with Chris. The original documents in the original languages are God-breathed and inerrant. Every document that translators use for the sources of their translations is a copy of these original documents. There can be copy errors in these document any translation used as sources.

But God is Sovereign and from what I understand, has made sure that the Scriptures has been handled carefully in its copying and translating throughout the ages has been accurately preserved. There are some minor errors in all translations, but the major thrust and truth of the Scriptures is still preserved overall.

I am sure that you do not agree with this, and that is ok. I do not wish to go back and forth on this topic, but from what I have researched., the translations we have are faithful to the texts used for the translations with about 97% accuracy. We are blessed in this day and age to have the Bible translated in languages believers can read own and read for themselves. We also have the internet to use for reading passages in various translations. We should be thankful and appreciate the work of all who have attempted to translate the Scriptures with integrity and good intent, not only the KJV translators, but those who helped to translate other versions throughout the Christian age and before (as in the Septuagint).

Teresa,

As Sammi said, people cause much of the suffering by our mistreatment of others and ourselves.

But, like the earthquake in Turkey/Syria and many illnesses that people can acquire, it is God who allows the suffering from these "natural" disasters and diseases. He created the viruses, bacteria, etc. that have plagued mankind since the fall. He created the earth's topography both above and below ground and changes that cause earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc.

Satan likes to afflict people as well, which God allows. Job is an example of that.

Yes, Sascha, Welcome back if you are English Sascha,

If you are not English Sascha, then welcome to this forum as newcomer.

So my question to you is: Are we supposed to wear crosses on our necks? I don't think your explanation answered this question.



"And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:27 KJV

Thanks S Spencer,

I am sorry about your brother, I know what you are feeling. I am the last of my family. Our hope is to come.

GOD bless,

RLW

Hi Ronald.

Thanks for your Prayers.

I believe "A Child of God" is replying to Sacha.

However I believe Sacha is currently back on the site.

God bless.

Hi Brad Heffele,

The city of Philadelphia was in Asia Minor and controlled by Rome, it is today in Turkey a town called Ataehir the "city of Allah.". You can find what Jesus said to them in the letter sent to them in Rev.3:7-13. This city was almost destroyed in an earthquake in early AD. It was also a stronghold for Christianity when the Moslems overran Asia Minor it was one of the last to fall.

God bless,

RLW

We are , we cause ourselves to suffer by our own sinfulness and stupidity and , we inflict suffering on others with our own sinful behaviour and cold-heartedness .

p.2) 2 Tim. 3:16 All (scripture) is given by (inspiration) of God, and is profitable for (doctrine), for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. (scripture) #1124; it means a document, i.e. holy Writ, (or its contents or a statement in it) to write, write (-ing,ten) (inspiration) #2315; it means divinely breathed in, given by inspiration of God. (doctrine) #1319; it means instruction, (the function or the infomation) learning, teaching. ((scripture)) means a document, so this inspired scripture, the Word of God is documented or written down in a book somewhere. ((inspiraton)) means God breathed, so that written document is God breathed. ((doctrine)) means instruction, learning, teaching. So this doctrine is our instructions from God and its what we learn from, or what we teach from, which ever Bible we use thats our doctrine. 2 Tim.4:3-4 For (the time will come) when ((they will not endure sound doctrine)), but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears. 4. And (they shall turn away their ears) ((from the truth)), and shall be turned unto fables. (Turning from sound doctrine, this verse says we will have doctrine thats not sound) (sound) #5198; to be uncorrupt, (true in doctrine) 1 Tim.4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter days some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. (The latter days is now, so there are doctrines of devils for people to learn from and teach from today, where, or what could they be? The Words of the LORD are pure Words) In 2 Tim.2:15 we are told to Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, (rightly dividing the word of truth). How can we rightly divide the word of truth from 10 or 20 different Bibles that all have different words, and left out verses? We have a word of truth somewhere today or this verse would not say this, it is the KJB.

What year was the 1611 translation updated to todays english

Hi Sacha,

Good to see your name. Hope you and hubby and family are well in England.

God bless,

RLW

Chris thank you again. Chris you said with Rev.22:7 this blessing from the Lord Jesus is qualified by Rev.22:18-19 referring to the book of Revelation and not the KJB. Ok which Bible does that book of Revelation have to be in? The Niv? Which has several revised versions. The Amplified Bible? The Esv? The NLT? The CSB? The NASB? Did you know the NASB has been revised 3 times? Which one is the true inspired Word of God? Which one has the True Words of Jesus Christ that should not be added too, or taken away from? Even if you're right about that prophecy being about the book of Revelation then it still says you should not add unto, or take away from the words of the prophecy of this book. Every one of the Bibles I've listed have done just that, some have whole verses completely missing. All of them have different wording in almost every single verse. 1 Cor.1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye (all speak the same thing), and that (there be no divisions among you); but that (ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind) and in the same judgment. (If you have 10 different Bible versions, you give a different version to 10 different people and tell them to memorize the same verse in each of their modern version Bibles. Afterward would they all speak the same thing regarding that verse? Or would there be confusion, divisions among them? Would they be perfectly joined together in the same mind?) 1 Cor.14:33 For God is not the author of ((confusion)), but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Confusion is exactly what that would create! ((confusion)) means instability, disorder, tumult, inconstant, unstable. (The word "inconstant" means Changing or varying, not stable or uniform. I got to go back to Jer.23:36 which says of the false prophets and pastors, ye have (perverted) the words of the living God. (perverted) means to change. ALL modern versions have changed the Words of the living God. p.1

Thank You Chris.

Long ago I read a book called The Road Less Traveled. I remember nothing about that book except one sentence:

"People want their grief acknowledged and their feelings validated".

When someone's grief is acknowledged and their feelings are validated they can have some peace, so thank you.

Sacha Revelation 21:1

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." God is going to create a new Heaven and a New Earth! Our time does not end in Heaven! We have a glorious ETERNITY to spend with our Saviour on EARTH!! The NEW EARTH! I pray this helps!

Standing before the cross, you will hear the words "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"!

Christ knew man , even as He hung on the cross. His heart and mind toward All mankind in there depraved state of sin.

I ASK YOU!

How could a loving God send His Son to die for you and me? How could a loving God stand by and hear His Son cry out these words, and watch Him die?

Is this not the same God you proclaim as "a loving God"! Is this the God whom you say loves us all? Is this the God you say could never judge us? Ah my friends this God is mightier then you will ever know!

This God has turned aside, and has let His dear Son die without a word!

He has turned away and let His Son die for YOU AND ME!

Even so YOUR "unknown God" has released the power that can only come from heaven itself.

The revelation that He is who He says, That you might know He has the power to forgive sin!

That He will let you see, and walk, and hear, that He and His Father are one! That He is who He says He is! Christ the Savior of the world!

Repent and be Baptized

Hi Herbert. Acts 12:2 speaks about James the brother of John (the disciple & apostle). In Acts 12:17, the James here is Jesus' brother ( Galatians 1:19).

Hi Dgjot. I understand what you're saying & agree with it. I try not to dwell too much on the failure of our governmental systems - I weary myself unnecessarily by doing so. We live in a fallen world; not only as sin has gripped each person, condemning to hell, but sin's manifestations are so diverse & know no boundaries. You gave examples of the worst of offenders against innocent people - how are these different from justices who mete out flimsy sentences, or even murderers who get released from prison, only to commit another heinous crime. I ask, 'is there any difference between these criminals: the one committing the crime & the other careless about properly dealing with it?' Will not the same LORD judge each one according to their wicked deeds? I know you are overcome by this issue, as I remember you writing on this before, & really, there's not much one can do except to leave it all in His Hands, to the One Who will judge righteously - none shall escape & none will have any excuse before Him.

In the meanwhile, mental, emotional & physical suffering will continue as man exercises his sinful urges on others - where possible victims must be helped, loved & restored; I think the LORD would expect this of us. All other things beyond our control or influence, the LORD will take care of in his time.

Thank you , may God bless you and keep you , peace .

Joshua288, you are giving two different Scriptures here & they're different.

2 Corinthians 3:6: "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." If you have read further in this chapter, Paul writes about, "ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious...". This is what he is referring to: the letter of the Law was never designed to give Israel life (freedom of guilt, of penalty, of death & separation from God). The Law was given by God for many reasons, but ultimately we read what Paul wrote in Galatians 3:10-24, mainly that the Law never justified anyone, it couldn't because none could keep it perfectly. But the Law was given to show men their sinfulness & to draw him back to God, Who would one day save men (not by the keeping of the Law), but by having faith in Jesus His Son. So the letter of the Law will kill us sending us to hell, if we're dependent on it to save us. But the Spirit, the Holy Spirit gives the believer life now & into eternity, by virtue of Jesus' Death & Resurrection, & our believing this great act of Love. The letter of the Law could never do this. The Law was temporary, until Jesus came.

Then you quoted John 5:39, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." In this chapter, Jesus is speaking to the Jewish leaders who were wanting to kill Him ( John 5:18). Then Jesus speaks to them concerning what He was doing there & then about His Coming as the Son of God (vv18-24). He tells these leaders that 'they don't have God's Word in them because they refuse to believe in Jesus' (v38). And then He tells them, "Search the Scriptures", or 'you are diligently searching through the Scriptures, believing that eternal life is found in it' (this is from the original Greek). 'But these very Scriptures you read, bear witness of Me.' They failed to see Jesus' Coming in them.

Hi Joshua288. We can only know who the true Jesus is, when we read about Him in the Bible. Enough is given to us to tell us Who He is & what He has accomplished for us. If there arises any other named Jesus or claims to be the real One, then he would have to have done all that the Jesus of the Bible had done. We remember the warnings given to us in the Bible, such as, 1 John 2:22,23: "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."

In this letter by John to the Churches, the person who denies the divinity of God, i.e. from out of the Person of God, proceeded the Son (called, the Word of God) and the Holy Spirit, this denier has the anti-christ spirit. They are prepared to acknowledge the historical Jesus (no one can deny that), but to believe that He is the Son of God, proceeding from God ( John 3:13; John 6:38; John 17:5), but the one who has the false spirit will refuse to believe or accept this Truth.

And many false Christs have arisen over the ages, which Jesus warned us would happen ( Matthew 24:23,24). They were all men, carnal, deceived, & now dead. Not one, nor any other in the future, can ever come close to the Jesus we read of in the Bible & if you are a Christian, to know this Jesus deep within your heart & life, by the ministry of the Holy Spirit. So, please read of the true Jesus in the Gospels & learn all you can about Him - you will find that none can ever compare to Him - none will ever love us so much as to willingly lay down His Life for us, so that we can receive salvation from our sin's penalty. All others, whether coming as a Jesus or as a Messiah of men, are all false, & can never express God's Image & Glory as the Lord Jesus Who died for us & was raised to Heaven.

Where is Philadelphia as referred to in the Bible, Revelations I believe.?

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c. I understand that 2 Peter 1:19-21 speaks of the prophetical Word that was given in the past & given to the Apostle John, for the future.

d. With Revelation 22:7: this blessing from the Lord Jesus is qualified by Revelation 22:18,19, referring to the Book of the Revelation and not the KJV.

e. 2 Peter 1:21: "prophecy came not in old time": I believe it speaks of the first prophetical Word given by God in the OT & not referring to the KJV.

So clearly, we do have differences of opinion & understanding of the Scriptures & though I hold the KJV in the highest esteem as the best translation we have from the originals & use nothing else, I don't share your conviction that it fully reflects the original spoken Word. There has to be differences, as with any translation work from one language to another, and I don't believe that the Holy Spirit's involvement would do any more than was done in this work. As said earlier, it would be better still if we all read the original languages, and even then, would there be no disputes between believers?