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Hello Bob, is there a difference between Adam as the son of God and believers as sons of God and Jesus the Son of God as written in the scriptures? In my heart , there is a reason for the capitalization.

Dear Leon,

Looks like you've had people replying and offering fake news. I'm sorry you had to receive that. Their positions are mostly based on a human logical fallacy, for example: "Jesus is the son of God, therefore in my limited human mind, Jesus can't be God, despite the many verses saying He is": Link

Also, the name "God" can refer to God the Father or God the trinity. The trinity is clearly explained in the Bible: Link - God is plural in many cases and uses the pronoun "we": Genesis 1:26.

Others spread anti-Christian propaganda that the trinity is somehow polytheism, which is another hateful attack based on a lie. Just because someone has a hard time comprehending how they are "one" ( John 10:30) doesn't mean 'more than one'. It clearly says they are one God. That's like someone assuming the skin of an orange, the pulp, and seeds are 3 oranges.

So, once someone reads the Word they can choose to either believe it or not. Those who don't want to believe the trinity have to perform mental gymnastics to try to discredit the book, the author, the context, the intent, the Greek, etc. It's the same old trick and most of us don't buy into it.

We will believe God's Word over man's words any day. We believe the Word is God's truth and when we read literally that Jesus is the Word and John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" then we have faith and believe it says exactly what it means, without anyone trying to be cute and deceive otherwise. We will lovingly call out fake news, propaganda, and false prophets everytime we see it.

Please ignore anyone trying to undermine what the Bible says and trying to discredit Jesus. Anyone trying to do that should be ashamed of themselves and should beware of doing the devil's work.

God bless...

I am committed too the book of Psalms exspeually 23 Psalms.

I don't know much about the bible

Dear Rick, Why would God have to wait longer, past seeing His Son carry the sins of man by His flesh to the Cross? Surely he can reign now by His believers that do not glory in themselves, but in the Cross.

For our meditation together.

Yes Adam was made in the image of God

Jesus was made in the image of God .

Jesus is the second Adam a Quickening spirit .

The first Adam was a living soul .

God is father of all .

Yes EJL, both versions are essentially the same but the NKJV replaces some of the archaic words with 'newer' words, making it easier to understand. You should check it out: read a chapter you're familiar with, in both Bible versions & see the difference. They should essentially be the same except for the omission of the 'thy, thee, thou', etc.

I've always read from the KJV, indeed using that language in prayer, so am most comfortable with it. But I would always urge someone who finds reading the KJV difficult because of the language style, to read from the NKJV or NASB.

Hello Earl, It is my experience, and the joy in my heart that more Light from the Gospel, from the Holy Ghost, from the brethren, from God, increases our sanctification which only makes us more common in Spirit, so that Jesus, is the Glory for ever and ever.

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Thank you for those verses Earl. I will write how I perceive them.

In John 10:14. Yes the Lord knows His sheep and all that shall be saved. As He knows the end from the beginning. In that I myself could never tell anyone if they are saved, or will be, or not as it is all God's Will. Though in Matthew 7:21-23. stating there will be some that call out to Him Lord Lord!! Though He never knew them. Showing me that not all are of the Lord's sheep.

In John 10:16. I see this as the Lord starting with the children of Israel where He went about His mission for over three years. The "other sheep not of this fold", to me, are of all other people around the world or the Gentiles. That the Gospel began to be taught to after his death and resurrection. Though as we know not everyone who hears the Gospel accepts it no matter a Jew or Gentile.

With Romans 11:16. I see it as like in John 15:1-8. As Jesus Christ being the true vine and us(in Him) being the branches. As if we don't abide in Him we are good for nothing. I don't see all becoming holy(or saved) as Revelation 22:11.

Please let me know what you think. The two ways we may see these things are ok to me. I see no problem with having a bit different interpretations of these things. The Lords Will shall be done either way and I know I could be wrong. It is good for us to converse our feelings.

In reality the most important thing for all of us is to be close with the Lord and live by the Will of our Father in Heaven. 1 Corinthians 9:14.

Putting all our trust and faith in Him no matter what happens. Amen.

Deuteronomy 8:1 ...which the LORD sware unto your fathers.

Deuteronomy 8:3 ...neither did thy fathers know;

Genesis 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace;

Genesis 47:9 ...have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.

Genesis 48:21 unto the land of your fathers

Numbers 20:15 How our fathers went down into Egypt, and we have dwelt in Egypt a long time; and the Egyptians vexed us, and our fathers:

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Who are these Fathers? any special meaning?

Hello Bob, These scriptures in Luke came to mind.

Luke 3:36-38

Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem which was the son of Noe, Which was the son of Mathusula, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Richard, I know you have been taught by the Holy Spirit; because he is causing you see and hear. He gives us the light of his death and resurrection; when we have digested that he causes us to hunger again for more of him. When the next bit of light is digested we hunger once more. This hunger want stop until we are completely filled. Most being fulfilled at the redemption of the purchased possession. WHEN WE WILL BE GIVEN THE SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE. In the mean time he keeps giving us more light as we believe.

Matthew 13:12 For whosoever hath (light), to him shall be given (more light), and he shall have more abundance....

I too enjoy studying and being edified with other believers.

Genesis 1:2 - Darkness , without form, void; A simplistic view of a simple man.

Seems clear that God has no darkness in Him, everything is laid bare in His presence. Everything is created during the light of day for God has no darkness in Him and all darkness flees in His presence. It's conceivable that the earth and heaven were created in the light of God's presence without giving it light. Darkness is not chaos. Being void is not chaos, being without form is not chaos.

The earth was made to be inhabited therefore the soil had to be very fertile yet the earth was covered in deep water. Man was made from the dust or dried out fertile earth, the good stuff. Fertile earth under water is mud, mud is formless until taken out of water and most of the water is removed to the point of a potters delight to give it form. Before the Spirit of God is in the nostrils of man it is void of life.

The firmament does not yet divide the waters from the waters so it is not just the waters of earth that the Spirit of God is moving over but all of the water's depth of the earth and heaven.

Man was without sin when created and the earth was not cursed until Adam listened to his wife and sinned. Adam was not deceived by the serpent and is why Adam sinned like no other man. Adam may have been tempted by the serpent but did not sin as a result just like Jesus, temped by the serpent but did not sin, Jesus is the last Adam, Jesus came back for His bride who was deceived by the serpent.

God cursed the earth after Adam sinned for the benefit of man therefore why would God allow, or destroy it Himself, the earth for any other reason prior to man's sin?

Darkness is the darkness of darkness for it is the condition without the light of God and is the darkness the ungodly will be cast into at the appointed time. God leaves this world behind with the new earth, the old earth has passed away along with the ungodly and back to its original darkness before God put the knowledge of His creation in Hi

Richard, I know you know these verses; but look a little closer. HIS wisdom HIS understanding.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

These sheep are the firstborn (FIRSTFRUITS) of Christ being gathered in the age we are in.

John 10:16 And OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are not of this FOLD (the age we are in now): them also will I bring (in ages to come) and they shall hear my voice (they can't hear his voice now because he is not calling to them now; but when he calls in the ages to come they shall hear); and there shall be ONE FOLD, and one shepherd.

Romans 11:16 For if the FIRSTFRUITS BE HOLY; the LUMP IS ALSO HOLY.....

No rush Earl. Thank you for that information and your kind replies.

Brother Earl,

I very much enjoy reading your posts. Thank you kindly for your replies. It is a Blessing to be able to converse with you on things like this.

First I will start by saying exactly what shall happen is all up to God, and His Will, as you know. In reality I don't believe any of us can perceive how deep the thoughts, and plans, of God truly are. One day when we return to Him, after our physical death, then we shall know things not known in earth. Ecclesiastes 12:7.

As I'm still not positive if that you perceive ALL to be saved in the end but that's what I think.

If it is God's will that all shall be saved then I'm all for that. For His Will shall be done and whatever that is is what I want also. Though I have so many Scriptures that pertain to things like "the unsaved being cast into eternal damnation, it being better that Judas Iscariot was not even born, things of Heaven(which I believe to be the Spiritual Kingdom of God), our names written in the book of Life, that not everyone's name shall be written in this book, etc." Also of things like you stated how the wisdom of God shall fill the earth. Habakkuk 2:14.

I believe, from my aspect, that all have the choice and chance to be saved by God. His mercy and forgiveness is everlasting. No matter what we have done in our lives. Though it doesn't seem all choose that path or will be with the Lord for eternity. As even angels have sinned and turned against God.

I will just post all the Scriptures I have that I see these things in. As no man taught me about the Lord. God lead me to Jesus Christ who saved me.

About Judas Matthew 26:24.

Not all making it to Heaven Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 25:46, Matthew 13:37-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:7-8, Revelation 22:14-15, 2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Peter 2:17,

Heaven Matthew 25:31-34, 2 Timothy 4:6-8, Philippians 3:20-21, 2 Timothy 4:6-8, 2 Timothy 4:18.

2 Peter 1:20. May the Lord bring us closer together.

God Bless.

I believe it's time to expose the fools on the Democrat party and call Biden and his administration for what they are, which are Marxist/communist. We pray that God will "lift their skirts" and expose their evil intentions for all to see. We are in a spiritual battle between good and evil. In the end our God reigns!!!

Hallelujah! Glory to God!

Hello Phillip Christian Parks, Thank you. The Church is a gathering of born again Christians that love each other so much that separation from one another is painful. There should be an immediate witness upon seeing even two or three gathered in His name in almost any situation. For example, a few walking together in an airport terminal. Regarding buildings where they meet more regularly, when I first walked into a place of the same as a seeker, I only made it around 15-20 feet inside when I met some elders visiting with one another. I immediately knew that whatever these people have is what I am searching for.

God bless our meditations.

Jesus asked the his disciples, who do you say I am ?

Peter got it right when he said the Christ , son of the living God . Jesus said he was taught by God and blessed for knowing this .

Jesus never said IAM GOD , but that I came from GOD , so he is Gods son .

Being one with God is a relationship . We also can have this relationship, read John 17 .

Richard, we will be given a new body because we were raised with Christ (first resurrection); those in the second resurrection will be raised back in their fleshly bodies. They will go thru the tribulations of the flesh. Some places in scripture says two fold and others seven fold. We basically were in tribulation seventy years (or the days of our life). The scriptures say they will be in tribulation for the age. This age so for has been 2000 years; how long that age will last we don't know. Don't think that their judgements want be severe or short.

Ezekiel 46:16-18

We are the sons (firstborn) they are the servants to the firstborn; Christ being THE HEAD.

Bob ,yes ! Thankyou !

Earl bowman ,yes ! thankyou ! thy kingdom come lord !

"In the Midst of the Church ..."; v.12 = The word "church" translates from the Greek noun (transliterated "ekklesia"; pronounced "ek-klay-SEE-ah"), meaning a specific group of people called out and assembled for a particular purpose. That particular purpose is to worship and glorify GOD and LORD JESUS CHRIST and to preach the Gospel.

The Church is not the building wherein the Church meets, but rather, the redeemed saints are the Church whom CHRIST has quickened ( Eph. 2:1) from their state of "dead in trespasses and sins" ( Eph. 2:5) to actively preach and spread the Gospel of Salvation.

The Greek New Testament records "ekklesia" 118 times. Of those occurrences, it translates into the English noun "church" 115 times, all identifying GOD's people assembled as a church body.

In Ephesians 2:22, Paul described the Church as "an habitation of GOD" wherein GOD "dwells" with HIS people (cp. Rom. 8:9; 2Cor. 6:16; Eph. 3:17; 1Jn. 4:13). Rather than a passive place, a habitation is a building wherein much activity takes place. Living people actively live there, communicating with one another, and intimately interrelating within the family and carrying on with their private lives.

The "Church" is a living, breathing, animate organism because it is the "habitation" of "The Living GOD".

This same scenario occurs within "the Church of The Living GOD" ( 1Tim. 3:15), which is GOD's habitation. The Church does not exist passively, but GOD performs and accomplishes HIS purposes in the world through the Church as HIS base of operations.

The Greek New Testament records "ekklesia" 118 times. Of those occurrences, it translates into the English noun "church" 115 times, all identifying GOD's people assembled as a church body.

Richard, I don't have internet. I go to my daughter's house to use her computer so I can expand the page to larger print. My eyesight isn't so good. I didn't even know this kind of forum was possible until about 8 months ago. Since I want see you response until I read it here. Please don't think I am ignoring you. I will respond back.

Richard, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding

Isaiah 55:11 So shall MY WORD BE that goeth forth out of MY MOUTH, IT SHALL NOT RETURN UNTO ME VOID, but it shall accomplish that which I PLEASE, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I SENT IT.

Most (in the age we are in now) want believe (ALL GOD'S WORDS only some of God's words) because GOD'S WORD SAYS THEY WANT. All eyes and ears have been closed, only those he is calling NOW will hear and see.

Isaiah 6:9-13 (vs 12) And the Lord have removed man (creature or creation) far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.

(vs 13) But yet in it (the land) shall be a tenth (the tithe to God, the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD) and it shall return (in the ages to come) and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance (CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOLY SEED) IS IN THEM, when they (THE HOLY SEED) cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED shall be the substance thereof.

Revelation 22:2 .... for the healing of the nations

Ezekiel 47:6-8

In the age we are in, yes there is saved and unsaved (vessels of honour and vessels of dishonour) THE WORKS OF GOD for his pleasure. Since they were made vessels of dishonour for HIS WORKS then God has provided a way for them to enter into the kingdom in the coming ages.

There is hundreds of scriptures that says ALL CREATURES OR CREATION will worship God. They can't worship God without being lead into the light; this is what the SONS OF GOD (Christ and HIS royal priesthood are doing to do.

We are not saved to go to heaven; we are saved to rule God's KINGDOM ON EARTH with HIM. The shadow is in the old; as Moses had judges under him we will be judges under Christ. What was to be fulfilled by the first Israel in driving out all worshippers of other gods will be fulfilled by the SONS OF GOD (true Israel).

Richard, this truth does't come easily because we have been blinded by the wisdom of this world.

I'm sure we will continue this topic for a while.

The seals are not in chronological order. Now the first seal is the rider at the 6th trump with a fake crown and a poison bow that's toxic who deceives the world and he looks just like Jesus and that is the one you want to watch for because he is kicked out of heaven to deceive the whole world as Revelaion 12:7,8,9,10 tells us and it's nice and quite in heaven but woe to us on earth when he stands up and says he is God return so just watch for a false messiah who has supernatural powers who tells you he is going to rapture you out of here because the rapture is a lie Ezekiel 13 God hates those who teach His children they can fly away to save their souls. And we learn at the 6th Trump Satan comes in peace and prosperity as Daniel tells us and the deception begins and the 5th trump has ended with the false preachers and teachers who taught their lies and they will gather their flocks of dead souls from their churches and follow the antichrist and all those who didn't read the Bible and learn the instructions and the plan of God will follow and will all be worshipping the beast and then at the 7th Trump our Lord Jesus returns with fire and hail stones and you will know our Christ returns and those caught in the deception because they listened to men and didn't read the word will hide where ever they can because of their shame and the preachers will say but we did this and that for you Lord and He will say I know you not. Revelation 9 the time was cut to 5 months and if you cut that Satan is here 2 and a half months so store food and keep reading our Bible because it Pleases Father.

So are you saying we can be sinless , If a christian sins occasionally does that mean he is lost again

Yes, Joshua, It is amazing ( grace) that you have honored God's authority in putting video games behind you. Of course, the devil is relentless, and would try to lure you back, especially in these days that are so needed to be close to God.

Always go back to the cross. therein lies our victory. Knowing Jesus died specifically and personally for you to overcome any sin of idolatry...he knew before you were born you would have problem with this. He shed His blood but then rose triumphant to free us from any strongholds of enemy and self indulgence. God bless you with great victory that is already won for you. no striving, just faith in Him...... You have a beautiful name. one of the only 2 of all Israel to went into the promise land, knowing the giants were promised defeat.