Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 566

While there is a lot of discussion about all of this, what I think is more important than what does and doesn't make sense is that Jesus is referred to as the Lamb of God, in the Book of John it says that In the beginning, the Word was God, the Word was with God and the Word is God. And then it talks about the Messiah, which regular folk read for it to be the Christ. And after I read that many times, I finally figured it out. All we really need to know is very simple, Jesus is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Lamb of God.

I think that too many times we try to make everything so complicated instead of dwelling on what the Bible teaches us right now. We know who God is, we know who Jesus is and we know who the Holy Spirit is. Truthfully, what more do we need to know? I know that there are those who desire to know more, but I'm not one of them. I believe every word written in the Bible exactly as it is written and to mean exactly what it says. If we try too hard to figure something out then we just end up more confused. I would love to understand all of this but my brain has a finite amount of space left. Everyone keeps wanting to change the world, now it's supposed to be flat because it's written in Samuel 11 by the Protestant Reformers. But that language is hard to read and the letters are not what we have today. We are coming into the last days maybe I will maybe I won't be alive then, all I care about is going to Heaven and seeing Jesus as I'm on my knees before Him apologizing for all my Sin. God bless you all.

Hi Jesse,

Interesting comment on 666. Never heard it put that way. It parallels the Holy Trinity, yet they are opposites in nature.

Your second to last paragraph caught my attention and I want to make sure I understand it. The way I'm reading it is that God willfully (purposely) created man a little short of completeness and perfection. Ok, so I'm thinking perfection and completeness are absolutes, i.e. no degrees/levels, in between. Therefore something perfect is perfect and nothing else, and what is imperfect is like itself and nothing else. What is perfect cannot waiver or change or it wasn't created/made perfect in the beginning. I have difficulty believing a perfect/holy Source can create short of perfection. To believe so is to open wide the probability of an unholy source producing its opposite; holiness. James 3:11,12 establishes the basic principal that things produce their self, and sets a premise that opposing effects cannot flow from the same cause (source).

You also stated a man "falls short of completeness because he's a sinner". May I propose a man is a sinner if if he's made imperfect and incomplete. Conversely, what is sinless is created from a perfect/sinless source. My apologies if it appears I'm being controversial. Yet, if something doesn't seem reasonable, I gotta ask. I hope I haven't misconstrued anything you stated.

Peace

God Is

Just as in the days of Noah,,, who was taken? and who was left?

Noah's flood was literal,,, the coming flood will be a flood of lies, and deception.

38 For just as in the days that were before the flood they

were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage,

until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all

away; so will also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then will two be in the field; the one is taken, and

the other left.

Earl.

You said "The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.

Creation is DECEIVED.

Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.

THEN YOU QUOTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

HOW CAN WE BE DECEIVED BY THE GOOD PLEASURE AND WILL OF CHRIST.

And according to your theology SO WHAT! WE ALL GO TO HEAVEN.

Unless you are telling us that a deceived person will not.

You never answered when asked IF ANY AND EVERY VIEW IS ACCEPTED. WHY DO YOU GO THROUGH SUCH INTENSE MEASURES TO PITCH YOURS.

Why not let a person believe what he wants do what he wants if we all ends up with the same fate?

Here's the question again for YOU.

Why do it matter so much to you that we change our views and accept yours if in the end it doesn't matter? Not looking for verses, Just an explanation.

Still Waiting.

Vincent,

Concerning Christ, who shall also confirm, that is, establish you unto the end, because God is faithful!



So not only are you established now in Christ, but this same Jesus is going to establish you all the way to the end.



Now if it were me writing a letter to this church in Corinth, I would have told them "Well, the Lord has established you but I can't promise you anything for your future if you keep going on the way you're going!"



But Paul is giving them a promise. He will establish you unto the end because God is faithful. He keeps his word.



The end would be when a believer stands before the Lord. God is faithful to keep a believer established until that day so that we will be found blameless.

I'm in agreement with the other responses you received, StandTro, that Paul was the last apostle. Of course, when we think of apostles, we understand that they had to have been with Jesus in His earthly ministry & also appointed by Him to take the Gospel into all the world. Paul seems like the exception, though we know that Jesus spoke to Him on Damascus Road via the brilliant light from Heaven & Jesus' discussion with him & his appointment ( Acts 9:3-6) - so this would qualify Paul to be included with the twelve.

And we also have references to other 'apostles', such as Barnabas ( Acts 14:14); James (the Lords brother, Galatians 1:19); Epaphroditus ( Philippians 2:25, note: 'messenger' in the Greek is 'apostolos'); & Titus & a few others ( 2 Corinthians 8:23; again 'apostolos' used here). I understand these men, though referred to as apostles, were apostles in the general sense of doing the apostolic work (today, we would call them 'missionaries'). So, Paul spoke of them as apostles, yet were not numbered with the original twelve, plus Paul. In that sense, today's missionaries taking the Gospel to unreached peoples could also be considered as apostles, doing the same work that Jesus commanded the twelve plus one, to do.

It's when Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah 61:1,(2) in the Church, as mentioned in Luke 4:17-(19)-21

Much significance when Jesus read the scroll.

Thanks Giannis, you are too kind. You have a blessed weekend also my brother!

Giannis,

No offense taken. In fact, I want to thank you for pointing that out. I know Greek is your native language so I trust that you know the language quite well. I own a Textus Receptus and I do read from it but at times I have to look words up that I do not recognize using an Greek/English Interlinear Bible. Today, I looked up the verse in Luke and it translated AETOI to vultures. But now I am puzzled as to why they would do that? Perhaps you might be able to shed some light on that.

There are also other theories out there on what the word eagles meant. I'm sure you have heard some of them yourself?

Maybe that verse is not talking about carnivorous birds at all? We do know that there will be many dead carcasses lying in the valley of Megiddo, and logic would tell us that birds will be gathering to feed on these carcasses.

Will these be eagles? It would seem odd to me because eagles are birds of prey and they normally kill their prey before they eat it. Vultures only feed on dead carcasses.

Understanding what baptism is about makes them accountable, Knowledge makes them accountable no matter the age.

Earl / Old man Wilson.

Revelation 21:7 contradicts your view.

HE THAT OVERCOMETH shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

( THAT'S ONE GROUP)

The conjunction "BUT" seems to separate 2 groups.

(HERE'S THE OTHER GROUP.)

BUT the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Dear StanTro,

I agree with Mishael. I believe that the time of Apostles and Prophets ended with the death of John (who was the last apostle appointed by Jesus to die in A.D. 98 or so.

The 12 Apostles and Paul Appointed Pastors and Bishops in the churches they either started or lead (or both). These appointed pastors and bishops led the congregations after the apostles died. No one else was appointed as an apostle after the conversion of Paul as recorded in the N.T.

Personally, I would never put myself under the spiritual oversight of anyone who claims to be an Apostle appointed by Jesus nor a Prophet in today's times, as I do not see biblical support for this current practice.

Hey Giannis,

Thanks, I still go with nowhere in scripture refers to an immortal soul that goes to a holding place whether it is a good place or a bad place to me that strictly comes from Greek philosophy. And the context of Luke 16 is towards the Pharisees and in my opinion, it is a parable because no other scripture backs it up, and I go with Deut. 17:6 only one witness does not hold up.

The fifth seal, the souls under the altar, that was slain for the word of God and the testimony which they held. It does not say when they were killed. They cried to God, asking Him how long it would be until He would judge the world. These are souls under the alter, would that be where souls go under an alter or is this symbolic of something else?

We see I Rev. 8:3-4 the heavenly counterpart of the altar of incense which was in the holy of holies Exod. 30:27, the altar of incense was an altar for prayer. My understanding of what John was seeing was symbolic of the prayers of the saints which they offered when they yet lived. It also could be a picture of the coming tribulation that many say they will not be here.

There have been many since Jesus ascended that have been butchered for God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, by many different nations even today. Their white robes are waiting, and the prayers of the saints are still going up to God our Father.

There are scriptures that this earth is for man even when it is all over, the new city Jerusalem comes down to the new earth where we will be. I still have not found one scripture that outright says, in any form, we go or are taken to heaven, can you show me one?

This flesh must be planted, 1 Cor. 15:42-44, This mortal must put on immortality, 1 Cor.15:53. Jesus did not leave his fleshly body in the tomb it was transformed into His spiritual body.

We have the earnest of the Spirit, a down payment until the redemption of the purchased possession. When we are resurrected not before.

God bless,

RLW

The best evidence that I have found in over 40 years of study is in Luke 24:25-27. It says that beginning with Moses ( Genesis 1:1) and all the prophets through Malachi, Jesus expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. If the Old Testament was good enough for Jesus to use after His resurrection, don't you think it is good enough for us???

Read 1 Thess. 4. It is the clearest text about the Second Coming and what happens when you die. The dead come from the grave and meet the Lord in the air. Also consider this. When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, John 11, if he was in Heaven Jesus brought him back so the Pharases could kill him. John 12:10 Jesus said "he sleeps when He was addressing comments regarding Lazarus' death. Everyone is in the grave until the resurrection of the just or the resurrection of the unjust. John 5:28-29

No one changed it,,, when you count you get 666; the verse tells us to calculate, to count the number.

To count is a study in of itself.

The Hebrew alphabet has 22 letters/numbers and the Greek has 24.

The Greek for this number 600, 60, 6 are three letters, which by Gematria = 666

Numbers are used in scripture, not just as in nature with supernatural design, but with spiritual significance, whereby 6 denotes the Human number.

Man was created on the 6th day, and this first occurrence of the number makes it (and all multiples of it) the hall-mark of connected with man.

2 Peter 3

4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming ? for

from the day the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as

they were from the beginning of the creation."

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of

God the heavens were of old, and the earth consisting of

... water and through ... water:

6 By which means the world that then was, being

overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same

word are treasured up, reserved for fire unto a day of

judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, let not this one thing be hidden from you,

that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a

thousand years as one day.

Sleep:

Daniel 12:2

Job 14:12

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

1 Corinthians 15:18-20

Matthew 9:24

Hello, the Bible says when we die we will enter a state to await Jesus's return then will face judgment all together. It's called judgment day. Matthew 12:36, Hebrews 9:27. There's no verse saying people get to skip this. There's no verse saying that all people go to heaven instantly, only to later travel back to earth into your body, then meet Jesus in the air, then to only go back to judgment after you've already been in heaven. It's not scriptural or logical and seems to require misinterpreting the following 2 verses, by cherry picking and broadly interpreting it as if it automatically represents all people and all circumstances.

"absent with body present with Lord" isn't in the Bible. That phrase has been changed from 2 Corinthians 5:8 where Paul said he would "rather" be absent from the body, and present with the Lord. He didn't say in 100% of all cases when people die that 100% of the time they will be "immediately" with the Lord, regardless. Paul was only stating his preference. It doesn't mean Hitler and other mass murderers are with the Lord right now, simply because of this one verse.

Second, people often quote the verse about the man on the cross that Jesus said would be in "paradise" on that day as support. But Jesus didn't say 100% of all people, from this moment onward will 100% go to heaven, and zero people going to hell including Hitler? Jesus has the power to make exceptions and take people to heaven, but the word paradise is not necessarily the same as heaven. Some believe this word means a waiting area for the dead.

Lastly, these are only 2 verses requiring creative interpretation, but at least 5 verses say we'll be sleeping are straightforward. Which is true? Bible says all will be judged, not just some. So, believing people go immediately to heaven without waiting on the Lord, and skipping judgment doesn't align with the other scripture either.

Yes, we go straight to Heaven when we die.

Jesus was God in the flesh

Hosea 6:4 O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what

shall I do unto thee? and your piety/faithfulness is as a morning cloud,

and as the early dew it goeth away.

5 This is why I hewed them as declared by the prophets; I

have slain them by the words of My mouth: and My

judgment is as light that goeth forth.

6 For I desired lovingkindness/Love, and not sacrifice; and

the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

This is why I hewed them. Heb. idiom, by which the declaration that a thing should be done is spoken of the personal

act of doing it.

Hellow Ronald

a. The greek text in 2 Peter 2:4 uses the word "tartara" for what the KJV Bible translates as " hell". As I sad before "tartarus or tartara" was considered by Greeks the most horrible and deepest place at Hades.

b. The greek for "bottomless pit" in Rev 20:1 and Rev 20:3 is "Abyss". which means just " bottomless" and is again something that is taken out from Greek myths.

c. About souls after death, how about the scripture in Rev 6:9-11? They are the souls of those who were slaughtered by antichrist and they are under the altar of the Temple of God in Heaven.

Thanks Jesse for the discussion, we have different beliefs on this (as well), but thanks for the time you have spent to answer my posts. God Bless You and have a blessed weekend.

Sorry Jesse, no offense meant but the Greek text says eagles not vultures. Aetos, plural aetoi means eagle/s.The interpretation of this verse that I have heard of is "where the army of antichrist will be gathered, there the eagles (saints) will gather together. I don't say this is right but it is how I know it.

Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Cor 1:8. Explain 'the end'' for me.

Hey Luke,

Can you please tell what scriptures or book the information is from that you are sharing on the first world age?

Thank you,

RLW

Dear Amanda

God cannot reward or punish people for what they would or wouldn't have done but for what they did or didn't. Just think of an imaginary story that somebody is drawn into a courthouse and the Judge tells him " You are guilty because you will steel a car". The guy then responds to the Judge " But I didn't, how can you punish me for something I did not do?" It's the same with God.

GBU

GiGi,

I can share what I've learned about 1 Corinthians 7:14. Some believe that the word sanctified means salvation, but it doesn't. It does have to do with salvation in that the act of the Holy Spirit and being set apart, and that's what he is saying here, is that if a non-believer is pleased to dwell with the believer, that person is living under the influence of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life.

Also, at the end, and I'll share the literal translation about children. It says else "were" your children, but it is literally else "are" your children unclean; but now they are holy. It doesn't say that they are clean. They're still unclean. The word holy (HAGIOS) is the same word for sanctification. They're unclean but they are set apart to be under the Lord's influence through the believer.



An example can be found in 1 Peter 3:1-7 about the woman who had a non-believing husband. He says live your life from out of your heart in front of him. Don't try to impress him with outward dress and appearance, but let him see the hidden person of the heart so that there's a possibility that he might be saved. There's no guarantee. So the non-believer is still not forgiven, he's not saved. The children are still unclean, but they are set apart to be under the influence of God's Spirit in the believer.



Another scripture that is similar is found in Acts 16:31, "Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." I've actually heard people say that this is a promise you can claim, that if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for yourself, and if you believe for your whole house, everybody in your household is going to get saved, guaranteed!

That's not true because if we look at Verse 32, it says that not only did they speak it to him (The jailor), but they also preached to everyone in his house. What they are saying is that this is not only for you, but also for every member in your house. Everybody must believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ.

No! but we are in the 5th Trumpet sound whereby all 5 seals are being poured out on the earth.

We are getting close to a One World Government but not 7 yrs close (IMO) biblical prophecy not yet fulfilled.

6th Seal, 6th Vial, and 6th Trumpet (666) it is a number and they all pertain/describe to the beast, and his coming.

Satan comes at the 6th trump, 6th vial and 6th seal, Christ comes at the 7th.

What are these seals? The Knowledge of God's Word, To know God's word, His Plan.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

6th seal, You need to know Satan will appear in Jerusalem and says he is God by imitating the Messiah

What are the Trumpets? Trumpets are the actions, what's going to happen, when the trumpets sounds.

Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates(tribulation)time of Jacobs Trouble.

What are the Vials? The wraths of God poured out.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water there of was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The Seals are whats in the vials, and are poured out when the Trumpet sounds,,,, there are 7 seals, vials and trumpets,,,