Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 526

Matthew 24:26-28 states that where the carcasses are the eagles (or similar birds of prey) are gathered. This would indeed; make it seem that those taken were taken for judgment and in Revelation about half are taken out that are listed in the one fourth dying in the first four seals; and another third in the Trumpet judgments. We can look at the tale of the ten virgins in a similar light. It would seem indicative of this being representative of God's church as they were all "virgins"; but clearly those who Christ stated "I know you not" or "I never knew you depart from me you workers of iniquity" ( Matt. 7:23) never were believers. There are difficult passages which could just be allegorical warnings; as well as different scenarios (such as that of the servant who hid his talent); in Luke 19 and lost his reward; contrasted with the version in Matthew 25 where he was "cast into outer darkness" which sounds like hell; but it could be into the Tribulation as well! The virgins who went out to buy oil seems to be at least a possible hint that in order to have more "oil of the Spirit" they had to buy gold refined in the fire such as in Revelation 3:18 which again COULD represent works through the "fires" of the Tribulation.

Basically; these are eschatological issues. What we can b certain of is that FAR less than half of ANY population will be raptured.

Even if we take at face value the Rapture as a salvation and not a reward issue; Christ made it clear that FEW are saved. There is always a believing remnant among those confessing faith; in the O.T. as well as the New. Thus; the passage in question sounds more like God taking half out for judgment; but even that is in question as only FEW will live through the whole event (one third of Israel ( Zech 13:7-9). and those of the Gentiles will be rarer than the "gold of Ophir" ( Isaiah 13:12 on how few remain in the Day of the Lord). This verse could speak of Israel's casualties, SPECIFICALLY.

Agape; RP

Billy. By their fruit ye shall know them this isn't wealth this is spiritual I.E.

Attitude of heart and walk love Joy Peace long-suffering meekness and

Temperance against such there is no law. Also a requirement is renewed

Mind Romans 12:2. Which is not just changing your mind it's putting on the

Mind of Christ which cannot be done unless born again confessing Romans 10:9+10?. This is not done naturally it is Phil.2:13 God working in you to do

His good will and pleasure. This requires reading and working the word daily.

Paul.

You claim that Exodus 33:11 and Exodus 33:20 is a contradiction.

Exodus 33:9-20. And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the CLOUDY PILLAR DESCENDED, AND STOOD AT THE DOOR OF THE TABERNACLE, AND THE LORD TALKED WITH MOSES.

Paul I believe what is mentioned here is the Lord spoke to Moses "DIRECTLY" as a man speaks to his friend. He spoke to him from the cloudy pillar. Moses never saw his face. They interact as friends as Abraham interacted with the Lords angel in Genesis 18.

I believe the emphasis in verse 11 is on the Lord spoke to Moses as a friend and directly.

The children of Israel also saw the Cloudy pillar at the door as they did in Exodus 19:18 and Exodus 20:18-19. but they didn't speak to the Lord as Moses did.

AND ALL THE PEOPLE SAW THE CLOUDY PILLAR STAND AT THE TABERNACLE DOOR: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door.

And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Verses 17-20. And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

There's no contradiction here.

God bless.

S.Spencer. Brother notice in Mathew chapter one verse one the generation

Of Jesus Christ singular not plural the believing line then there's what you shared

Being born by Mary with pure blood because God was the contributor in that

Category Hebrews 2:14 He Jesus Christ took part of the same his blood was

Sinless because the life of the flesh is in the blood Leviticus 17:11 and that life

Came from God who created sperm in Mary.

Okay, but who was Jesus before He came to US in the flesh?

When was the timelime of the occurrence When the Melchisedec visited Abraham ?

Is Jesus not GOD in the flesh?

Who was GOD speaking to in Psalms 110:1

Do you know the Key of David?

If you know the Key of David, one can locate in scripture Jesus referencing David's Son to the Pharisees, whom King David wrote "sits at the right hand of GOD"

Continued

God cleans house on earth and uses angels after that for Satan's binding; although it isn't clear who casts him into the lake of fire.

Thus; in the end heaven and earth are cleaned of rebels.

I suppose we could apply the verse "judgment begins in the house of God" to this event. ( 1 Peter 4:17). Since Satan is cast out in the battle of Rev. 12:4 along with his ANGELS; then God is using the principal he does later on separating the wheat from the tares that is not fully realized until the Second coming ( Matt. 13:29). In real time; transgression comes to the full before; for instance whole NATIONS are judged. ( Gen. 15:16). God Himself calls and chooses as well as KNOWS who are His own. In that sense God creates good and evil ( Isaiah 45:7). In that context we may substitute the word calamity; such as that Job suffered as an example to test his faithfulness and God allowed Satan's will to cause these torments; but his life had to be spared. In any event; God is not the author of confusion. In due course; the rebellion occured in heaven (probably long before the earth was created or restored in Genesis in my opinion although some use the "gap theory" between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 to explain that the earth was recreated). It would have taken some time for that many angels to rebel I would think. There would be no need for delaying their punishment as they saw heaven and God and therefore could not plead ignorance. The punishment would have been in stages from what scripture appears to say going from losing place as the "anointed cherub" described as a type of musical worship leader in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28; to be kicked out to ruling over the 2nd heaven; that is the physical universe; particularly focused on the atmosphere of the earth. Certainly at a minimum Satan has authority over the earth and mens minds; it seems from Revelation he may still be able to accuse us before the throne. His control over death keeping all under the earth (even the righteous in the paradise part of sheol); was broken after the death of Christ and Resurrection. Once the Rapture occurs; we are free to praise God unrestrained.

Why does the discovery of an ancient document rekindle interest in the circumstances surrounding that document? The Dead Sea Scrolls discover in 1940s.

Where can I find the parable of the fig tree in the Bible?

I would like to know the Biblical referemce of the parable of the fig tree ?

Luke The messengers or spirits that caused the darkness of Genesis 1:1+2

Have been chained up but there are others with the commander Satan wreaking

Havoc until judgement day. Ephesians 6:12 states what we are up against

Spiritually.

Paul.

Part 2.

Chuck Missler sums up the problem this way.

This curse created a rather grim and perplexing paradox: the Messiah had to come from the royal line, yet now there was a"blood curse" on that very line of descent! The genealogy of Jesus given by Matthew shows Mary's husband Joseph to be a descendant of David, Solomon, and Jeconiah. Does this imply that Joseph was in line to be king of Judah? IDK. If you compare this genealogy to 1 Chronicles 3:15-16, you will note that some kings are actually skipped, basically for wickedness - Genealogy of Jesus. Note also that Jeconiah is also called Jechonias, Coniah, and Jehoiachin. Mat 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;

Mat 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

But the genealogy given by Luke lists the ancestors of Mary. Notice that Nathan, not Solomon is listed. This neatly avoids the blood curse on Jeconiah. Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Luk 3:31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David, In the Greek, Joseph is named without a definite article, meaning the genealogy is Mary's. The phrase "as was supposed" occurs in nearly all English translations; it is taken from enomizeto, meaning "by law", showing Jesus as the legal heir of Joseph. Joseph is considered more of a son than a son-in-law in this case.

So, it took a virgin birth to get around the blood curse of Jeconiah.

To shorten this article here's the conclusion.

In both these genealogies we have the house of David and the Throne of David fulfilled and it takes Christ around the blood curse of Jeconiah.

God bless

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And (his) tail draggeth the third part of the stars of heaven, and (he) cast them to the earth: and the dragon is

standing before the woman which was ready to be delivered, in order to devour her child as soon as it was born.

What is the object ? (The dragon)

What did his tail do ? (It dragged 1/3 part of the stars, and cast them to the earth) they were deceived and followed him, it caused them to be (thrown down) not thrown out with him,.,, as when a fishermans net drags the bottom of the lake, dragging the net of fishes

drew = draggeth. See John 21:8

Hey Charlene,

I agree with Adam if the angels did not have free will, there would not be any that disobeyed. Satan is the great accuser and as we see in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 he presented himself along with the sons of God in heaven, and we know Satan had sinned.



My understanding is like Luke, they have not been cast out but will be cast down permanently with no more access to heaven, this has not happened yet, Revelation 12. Then the rise of the beast out of the bottomless pit to whom Satan gives his power, seat, and authority on earth.

There are angels not on the good side that have access to earth, Satan has power on earth limited by God, and devils/demons that scripture does not say how they got here or where they come from. Battles go on we do not see, like in Daniel 10. There is another group of angels different than the ones that have fallen but did not leave their first estate.



Their deeds were far greater, they left their first estate and left their own habitation 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6. These angels are locked up in chains of darkness, the bottomless pit, and have no access to heaven or earth. This is where the beast that many call antichrist will come from Rev. 11, 17, and where Satan will be locked up for 1000 years, Rev. 20:3.

God is light and there is no darkness in Him, and God is not author of confusion. Adam and Eve had sin but after they were cast out of the garden they were still in the presence of God because Cain went out of the presence of the LORD.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Paul.

Pt 1.

You said

" But the Bible speaks of things to be revealed beyond what's written"

You given several scripture supposedly indicating the Holyspirit have more to reveal separate from God's written word.

I have to disagree with that, The Holyspirit reveals the truth in God's word and sanctify the believer. not to mention its many othe tasks. Seal, teach, ect...

The Holyspirit does not have unwritten revelation to reveal he will make what Jesus said "AND LATER WRITTEN" comprehensive to us.

John 14:25-26. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU.

Now concerning the supposed contradictions on Mat. 1:6 and Luke 3:31.

The bible says that Jesus will sit on the throne of King David. It also says that King Jeconiah, who is descended from David, will never have a descendant on the throne. So how can Jesus, apparently a descendant of Jeconiah, sit on the throne of David? First let's look at what the text says.

The Lord said to David on his deathbed.

2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee:

thy throne shall be established for ever.

It says the Messiah will sit on David's throne forever.

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his (Messiah) government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

And that Jeconiah's descendants will not sit on that throne, (he is mentioned by name in Jer 22:28).

Jer 22:30 Thus says the LORD, 'Write this man (Jeconiah) down childless, A man who will not prosper in his days; For no man of his descendants will prosper Sitting on the throne of David Or ruling again in Judah.

See part 2.

Charlene. I apologize. Further explanation Lucifer was God's Highest

Messenger or angel and has a lot of power when he lifted himself up

Against God He became Lucifer and 1/3 of the other angels were thrown

Out of heaven with Him. Remember where there is confusion there is sin

And rebellion. Now he is known as the Devil or Satan or prince of this world

Or God of this world or figuratively serpent dragon ruler of kingdom of Babylon.

Thank God He's been defeated by Jesus Christ for all that believe. He is the

Cause of all man's problems because of unbelief and does anything in his power

To get people either to not believe he exist or to blame the true God for what he

Does.

A man after God's Own heart

When God called David and anointed Him God knew who He called and that he

Would listen and do. Look at David's humility many times before going into many

Situations he'd ask God what should I do how should I do it where should I go.

When dealing with Saul although Saul was out there he always addressed him as

A brother and treated Him with Godly respect because He was called of God but

Copped out of the calling, not God's Fault. That's how much David respected God

And men called of God, even when Saul died he addressed Him as God's anointed

What a man, that's why God took the time to call Nathan to straighten out David's

Head because he knew His Heart. It is interesting that in Psalms David begged God

Not to take His Spirit from Him. I can't imagine where is heart and mind were.

Hello, sin has the possibility of existing where freewill exists and I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible say that beings in heaven are stripped of their freewill. It would seem that beings indeed do have freewill given that the angel(s) rebelled.

I'm not familiar with any verse saying there's no confusion, if you can please share that verse you have in mind that would be helpful. God bless.

They haven't been kicked out yet! They disobeyed God and left their first estate/HIM and went to and fro unto the earth.

They got locked up, put into chains in darkness meaning prison in Heaven, and have been there ever since, awaiting to be set free THEN they make war with the Angels of GOD and win not, and THEN they are cast to the earth, suppose one could say that this is where they get kicked out.

Charlene Lucifer was kicked out of heaven along with those that followed

Him and his sin was pride to be like the most High God. Interestingly he at

One time was the bright morning star now Jesus Christ is.

Yes Sir! They die a spiritual death when they fall for and worship the anti-christ pretending to be Jesus, and He doesn't do a fly by either lol.

Many realize it during that hour and turn back, but many will not.

Jeremiah 9 is my most favorite scripture and I

Love it

Ronnette. It is unique that the verse is in the leadership Epistles to Timothy

Because by the time of the writing most that Paul taught walked away from

Him and he was given the knowledge of the mystery of the function of the Body

Of Christ the Church of of in the age of Grace.Kept secret before the world began

Romans 16:25+26.

Peter completes the first chapter of his second Epistle with a warning much like Paul does knowing that he is about to die. He elaborates on heresy among the brethren in chapter 2; then further apostasy in the last days in the third and final chapter. This is very clearly paralleled in the Book of Jude; giving pause to consider whether both authors communicated this theme or Jude got his ideas from Peter who perhaps had gotten it from Paul. This is all the inspired Word of God; of course. The concern for these things was clearly indicated when Paul stated that he prayed with tears "day and night for three years" concerning the state of the church. ( Acts 20:31; also see 20:37 when people wept about the prophecy of his imprisonment and likely martyrdom eventually in Jerusalem). Jude was going to discuss general doctrine; but the Lord redirected him with similar exhortations as he states in the beginning of the book.

There clearly is no mincing of words here. Verse 20 and 21 are particularly sobering warning that it is better not to know the truth than to know it and become reprobate (i.e. harsher judgment). The only one in this generation that may have been similar that I am aware of was David Wilkerson. Aside from interpretations of certain end time verses and prophetic statements that he made; which is the subject of another post; he certainly spoke against heretical practices.

Think about it. Today we remember men who were fabulous expositors of scripture; orators or who tenaciously held to the traditions of church doctrines. All of these things of course are commendable. But would they be held in such high esteem if they warned about apostasy; in their own midst no less. Surely the pride of those who had stakes in the institution; denomination; Christian school (not to mention FAMILY MEMBERS) would be offended. To use past successes as our standard in how Christ sees a church today is unwise in light of verses such as Rev. 2:5!!!

Paul. Another point to bring to your thinking God's Word in the Church Epistles

Tells us to put on the mind of Christ by working God's Word and Romans12:2

Renewing our minds or changing thought to line up with scripture in what we do and

How we do it. No other book gives spiritual instruction strictly pertaining to

Conduct in the church of God the Body of Christ. Colossians 1:24.

I wanted to know if there no sin r confusion in Heaven , why was the satan & his angels kick out of heaven

2 Timothy 2:15 is a powerful verse. If we do not learn how to rightly divide the word of truth, we will be lost understanding the chain of events from the time God brought the Hebrews from the Land of Egypt until The Christ Lord Jesus died on the cross up to our time today which is approximately 2,000 years. Honestly, we do not have time. As you all noticed the rapid days go by quickly as God says 2 Peter 3:8 and you see Psalms 2:1-12

I do not mind repeating to all that the Bible is a complete book Revelation 19:13 for us today to prepare ourselves and others. I pray all to be saved. We cannot have the people caught unaware of Matthew 24:37. To rightly divide is to know for us today what we need to do. So I will say that the 11 apostles messages are important for the physical Jews Matthew 10:5-7 at the end time; and there are verses in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John that pertains to a spiritual Christians of today.

God had chosen Paul to be His vessel so we can read and believe not in vain. Study the Book of Romans to Philemon because he was the Last and believe it or not the 12th Apostle Galatians 1:1, Acts 9:15, Acts 13:47, Acts 22:21, Roman's 11:13, Ephesians 3:8, 1 Timothy 2:7, Galatians 1:16. After Jesus died He says Hebrews 9:14-17. Then you are Ephesians 1:12-14, 2 Timothy 2:19 and 2 Corinthians 1:22. Therefore, 1 Corinthians 9:2 just like Romans 15:28. Ephesians 4:30 and sing Psalms 49:8, 111:9, 130:7. In conclusion my fellow-believers, Paul is sealed 1 Corinthians 9:2 by God to be our apostle today. Weneedtoputtheworkof Paul not in vain Galatians 6:11. Paul tells us Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, 2 Timothy 2:8. And the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Then we are sealed Ephesians 1:13. Perhaps you are not understanding me because Revelation 18:4, Proverbs 20:1, Roman's 7:11, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Corinthians 15:33, Galatians 6:7, 1 Timothy 2:14, 2 Timothy 3:13, Titus 3:3, and lastly Revelation 18:23. Psalm 37:1-40 then we meditate Psalms 27:1-3. Shalom/Agape.

Paul. You made a statement I can't buy that is that the bible Gods Word

Contradicts itself impossible. Either it's not understood according to ones

Own thinking or taken out of context or not worked in original language or

Not understood according to eastern thought but make no mistake it is the

ONLY PERFECT BOOK!

Seems to me we are in the times of sorrows, fake christians and gospel , wars and rumors of wars . Jesus spells it all out in Matthew 24 .

I find it interesting that the gospel is preached in revelation as a witness, then comes the end . I can't remember where I read that . But it tells me the gospel before that time was perverted by false Christianity. Sticking close to the word of God is best in theses uncertain times . As Jesus said take head lest any man deceive you .

Jim Tidwell on Galatians 6

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. -- Read John 3:1-21

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a (new) creature: old things are passed away; behold, (all) things are become new.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. (3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Matthew 25: They were all virgins but 5 were lost --read the chapter

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

( John 3:7 Jesus said ye must be born again)

We all can find a verse that tells us what we want to hear, there will be many lost after he says depart from me. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.