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Hi Ryan.

Here's what I believe in.

However not to say that it is right, hopefully others who truly understands have more to add.

Part 1.

there is an element of truth in this but you have to be very careful where you tread here. We definitely need 'to rightly divide the word of God' as scripture tells us but it is easy to go too far and move past scripture and into our own thoughts. There is a whole movement within Christianity that consider themselves 'right dividers' or 'right division' that, unfortunately, leads to a lot of error and division. Instead of 'classical dispensationalism' it often leads to 'hyper-dispensationalism' where people teach that Paul and Peter had a different gospel and/or the Church didn't begin until midway through the books of Acts... or at the very end of Acts like 'ultra-dispensationalism'. Some say only Paul's letters are for the Church! Hyper and ultra-dispensationalism are not true and should be avoided. So to your specific questions...

Are there two gospels, the gospel of the Kingdom and the gospel of grace?

In short, no. There is only one gospel. But there are different aspects that are emphasized depending on when the message is given. Mat 4:23 has the first mention of 'gospel' in the New Testament. William MacDonald in the Believers Bible Commentary writes well on this stating:

While there is only one gospel, there are different features of the gospel in different times. For instance, there is a different emphasis between the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the grace of God. The gospel of the kingdom says, "Repent and receive the Messiah; then you will enter His kingdom when it is set up on earth." The gospel of grace says, "Repent and receive Christ; then you will be taken up to meet Him and to be with Him forever."

Fundamentally, they are the same gospel-salvation by grace through faith-but they show that there are different administrations of the gospel according to God's dispensational purposes.

See Part 2.

Thank you Lord I really need pray for my Family.because of evildoers my husband and my entire family.Amen

verse 43 did they ever turn away from they sin

Key words to me "now ended". that's what I took from it too. thanx again, your awesome.

yes Adam, but in that it says "tent" and references to Ps 19:4 which says: Their 1/line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a 2/tabernacle for the sun. both meaning tent & if you've ever gone camping they have (dome) an end. Just saying, I can totally see the confusion.! Making it completely understandable why so many have trouble understanding much less believing the bible. Its confusing as ever. Hebrew & Greek meanings are different then English to boot. Beings we all agree that the most and really only important thing is to *Love God w/all our being, our neighbor as ourselves, to keep Jesus in our hearts & live accordingly*, lets leave it at that. Its becoming to much time & I for one, not to be rude, really don't care.! p.s. that was said with a smile by the way.! :) continue in prayer and peace be with everyone.!

Isaiah 40:22 - circle of the earth.

To me this more strongly suggests the earth is round than any reference people have to creatively interpret in order to claim it means the earth is flat.

What's very strange about this argument is that you can fly around the world and end up in the same place. People are doing this every day. Plus its night in some places and day in other places at the same time and is obviously a shadow of the sun. It's just a very odd argument because its so easily proven that the earth is a globe.

We are living in times where people disagree on what the truth is. Nearly everything is debated and disagreed on these days. People habitually lie and our society seems to be collapsing, as people prefer lies over truth and are using it to commit evil. For example, I think companies like Pfizer and JnJ have become rich off of killing people. A lie was told that something was "safe and effective" and people believed it. A for profit company with one of the worst track records of corruption and scandals was suddenly 100% believed without question, and anyone who doubted their motives or the safety of the product was called derogatory names.

Great and Mighty God, He did during Elijah time He doing to us today. Glory to God.

I looked up 'Project Loon'; never heard of it before. It was created to provide internet services to remote areas that had no hope of connecting to the internet. But the project has since been shelved. Did your son bring this up to, in some way, support his beliefs? I couldn't pick up on anything relevant, except for an interesting concept, now ended. Thanks for that Texsis.

Thank you Jesse.

I appreciate your prayers. We both have had long marriages. That is a blessing and unusual in today's world. God knew what He was doing when He picked us for one another.

The good thing about having an anniversary close to Christmas is that it gives us an evening out for ourselves amidst the busyness of Christmas for our families over the years.

Thank you for praying for so many people on here. God hears our prayers and is faithful to answer in the best ways.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

I just can't simply understand the blindness of some... just complete and utter disregard of what scripture says.....

Gal 2:7 there is the gospel of the circumcision ( Mat 4:17) and the gospel of the uncircumcision ( Eph 1:13 /// Rom 1:16-17 and many more verses I could list.)

There's two gospels. The gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of our salvation are two different and separate gospels. To not know is one thing. To be shown and refuse is a complete and total rejection of God... telling God that he is wrong (even though it's right there in his word).

Mat 4:17 is not our gospel, it's the gospel to Israel. Our gospel is 1 Cor 15:1-4. They're different. Rightly divide and stop rebelling against God.

Jonathan Edwards and Isaac Watts identified

dispensations long before Darby as a means of explaining God's

progressive revelation. Darby's unique contribution concerned the

separation of the mystery church from prophecy.

"No intelligent student of the Scriptures believes, or

teaches, that there is only one gospel in the Scriptures"

- J.C. O'Hair

Gal 2:7 gospel of the circumcision and gospel of the uncircumcision.

gospel of the kingdom Matthew 4:17 and the gospel of our salvation Eph 1:13

It's not my view. It is what scripture says.

Titus 3:10-11 grace and peace

Dear Anonymous,

I hope you return to read the responses you've received.

You sound angry with your perception of God. But your perception of God is not my perception of God and all of us might be wrong.

It sounds like you're angry with injustice in the world. I am too and hate it. But what's different in my view is you attribute that to God rather than to satan or man's free will. God could have made us all robots who are perfect and do exactly what He says and never sin and never harm each other, but we're not slaves or robots. If we were, people would instead be complaining about that. But God loved us enough to give us freewill. And with that responsibility each can choose good or evil. Many choose evil. That isn't God's fault. God made a perfect place then man sinned and ruined it, so now we have this sinful hostile world full of trials. But its extremely temporary. We assume our everything here is all that matters, but it isn't, its a tiny 2 second preview to the eternal main picture. We get all worked up about the injustices in those 2 seconds, but right after that everything will be made fair. Justice will be served. All will be judged. No one is actually getting by with anything. So in this short temporary life it seems like evil wins and good suffers, but nope, this is just a tiny trial and when over justice for everything will occur. I trust God for this. The Bible says not to get revenge on anyone for anything, but to leave it to God.

Basically, I think you're only hating an idea of God and I don't think that idea is what God is really like.

It's annoying that we all face death, hardship, disease, tragedy, on and on, but this should not be a surprise to anyone. God used people in the Bible like Paul who had way more problems then what I face, for example. I've never been in prison or had people try to kill me or be shipwrecked or a fraction of that stuff, praise the Lord. But we also shouldn't be comparing either, because I think we all have thorns in the flesh as challenges to handle. Not sure if you'll even read this, but God bless you.

Sorry Ryan, but the Scriptures say that Jesus rose bodily. He rose from the dead in the same body He had prior to HIs death, only it is glorified forevermore. He ascended into heaven bodily and will return to earth bodily. He forever is fully God and fully man. This is the marvel of the incarnation, that God the Father sent His Son to forever be both God and man to redeem humanity and forever be united to humanity through His human nature. He always has been united to the Father in his divine nature. But now, and forevermore, He is in heaven with His glorified body. This is classical orthodox teaching. But you may not believe this, some do not. But I wanted to speak what has been the doctrine of the church since apostolic times for those who may not be aware of it.

In midst of studying but look up "project loon"

Look up project Loon!

Dear Ryan, I reviewed those Scriptures and in them Paul is meerly stating that Jesus called him to be an apostle to the Gentiles. Neither say that gentile believers are only to follow what he writes in his epistles nor does he state that that to rightly divide the word of God is as you define it. You have your interpretation colored by the traditions of men who have influenced you via dispensationalism. I have my interpretation colored by those things that have influenced me, primarily the consistent teaching of the church prior to Darby and dispensationalism.

Ryan, I do not wish to dispute this. Your embrace of dispensationalism will be a divide between us. But you have not convinced me of your view. I still think your view adds to Scripture.

Amen & thanx. Ya its the regulations & limited videos that is scary to him. making him think this I'm sure. Just another way for the government to scare us into doing what they want us to do. Thank God believers don't fall for this. Merry Christmas & God bless "Texsis"

Hello Javier. That's a good question. It is my understanding that Jesus became Jesus (i.e. given this Name) at His Birth ( Matthew 1:21). I don't believe Jesus was known as Jesus prior to His incarnation, rather, the Bible (in the NT), speaks of Him as God's Word ( John 1:1-14). As you know, God is One ( Deuteronomy 6:4); God cannot be divided up into many gods. Yet God can do something that we humans can't: He can send out His Word & He can send out His Spirit. So we don't get three gods, but the One Holy God manifesting Himself in other forms (for our sake). We can't do this; I can speak or write my thoughts for another to heed, but in the end, they are only words. And I certainly can't send out my spirit to do a work on my behalf - even if I could, I would then be spirit-less, therefore, dead. But God is wholly a Spirit-Being ( John 4:24) & can do any work & be anywhere as He Wills - something you & I cannot do as our spirits are confined to bodies of flesh.

So, at the appointed time ( Romans 5:6), God sent out His Word for His people (Israel), just as He did by the mouths of the prophets in the Old Testament days. But this time, God clothed His Word with flesh, so that Israel might not only hear from God directly to them, but also witness that this One from Heaven has come to be the supreme Sacrifice for them. Their other sacrifices were only temporary until the coming of God's Sacrifice: Himself (His Word made flesh).

Then to your question: for Jesus (the Word out of God's Being) to live as a man, suffer & die as a man, he would have had to lay aside those attributes of Divinity that could never permit Him an experience of pain & death. Philippians 2:5-8 gives a perfect explanation of how Jesus had to humble Himself, not hold onto His equality with God before men , instead became their servant. Jesus now is God's Son, & as a man with human feelings, would rightly call out, in prayer, to His Father in Heaven; & He will always be God's Son seated beside His Father.

Michael,

Revelation 4:1 is the verse that's used by those who believe that the believers will be raptured prior to the Tribulation Period, because number 1, the door had been opened, and number two, a trumpet was talking to him (John).

It's the same as Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:13, I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, as others which have no hope.

He had just said in this chapter that the trump of God would sound. It would be a great shout, and the trump of God would sound. And so here is the trumpet talking to John saying come up here.

And those who hold the Pre-Trib. position see that as equivalent to the rapture of the church that is happening.

And from here on, John will see everything from heaven, and the church will no longer be on the earth, but the multitudes will be in heaven.

And many believe that's an indication, among other scriptures, especially 1 Thessalonians Chapter 5 where it gives us the Tribulation Period, and he says this is for the wrath of God, and we (believers) have not been chosen for the wrath of God.

Aldenapoli,

Jesus' ministry was and is to baptize people with His Spirit. That is the baptism that is needed.

Must we be baptized? Can we enter into the kingdom on just faith alone?

There are also mentions of the Rapture in Revelation other than chapter 4 such as: The man child caught up in Revelation 12 (it's us, the body of Christ). The harvest in Revelation 14.

Yes. come lord jesus christ!

Rom 11:13 Acts 13:46-47 (Paul also mentions that it was neccessary to go to the Jew also.) 1 Cor 1:2.

2 Tim 1:9-11

To ignore these verses is just blatantly rejecting God and HIS way.

Revelation 21:24, Psalms 85,

Hopefully these are helpful

Gigi, I get where you're coming from. This isn't a matter of your philosophy, or Ryan's philosophy. It's a matter of what scripture says.

Also, The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write "my gospel" on a few occasions. Rom 2:16 Rom 16:25.

It's a distinct message given by Jesus Christ. To say that "focusing on Paul" is turning away from scripture is simply not true. Paul talked about Christ more then any other writer. Paul kept his sights on the Lord as he instructs us to do; not according to the Lord's earthly ministry, but according to the revelation of the mystery which IS the will of God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. Col 2:2.

Our gospel is 1 Cor 15:1-4. It's not in Matthew - John. You find the other gospel in the Gospels. ( Gal 2:7). The only one disputing is you. I am defending the truth because I am not ashamed of it.

You cannot sit here and tell me the scriptures make sense without dispensationalism (which is in the Bible Eph 1:10 Eph 3:2).

And like I told the one brother, I mentioned 2 Tim 3:16. But what comes before chapter 3? Chapter 2. Specifically 2 Tim 2:15.

Guess what? If someone is erred in the scripture and I know the truth, I'm going to speak up. I've been silent for too long.

Please read Mark 13, Matthew 24, Jesus words about His return, Revelation 10, 1Corinthians 15:52, 2Thessalonians 2, 1Thessalonians 4, Revelation 6,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Dear Hammer, I think it is time we end this line of conversation on this thread because we will not come to a good resolve.

Son of GOD, please read : John 3:16, Luke 1 & 2, John 17,

John 5:30, John 10:17, John 14:23, John 16:27,

Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18,19, 1John 2:26,27, Colossians 2:8,

Hopefully helpful

Ryan,

Paul never said that his writings are strictly for the Gentiles and the rest of Scripture is for the Jews. Your viewpoint adds to Scripture doctrines that are not there. I cannot concur with you on this. JESUS is our Apostle.