Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 1092

Alex, saying that we will be saviors is blasphemous.

Thank you, Chris, for your statement here. You have defined the problem with such doctrines espoused by people such as these well. I guess, for me, having been on this site for only a month, perhaps the best place to start when processing divergent beliefs about vital topics is to go back to the basics and the beginning. "In the beginning God created.." Determining Who God is and what He is like is the foundation of our faith. If we get that wrong, we will get it wrong about Jesus and the salvation He won for us. So, I encourage everyone on here to go back to the basics and the beginning, and lay the foundation of our faith as Christians on what is true about the God we trust, love, and serve.

You have done a loving thing to address these people in this manner.

Thomas

Yes, there were giants in the earth or on the earth. These giants were from the sons of God, these sons of God were angels. When God created Adam God made Adam in his image. So, Adam was one of the sons of God. Genesis 6: 2 tells us that the sons of God took them wives of all which they chose. The Angels have a freewill just as you do, they can choose to serve God are not, just as humans can choose to serve God are not, and if a human or angel refuses to serve God the angel is sent to the bottomless pit chained, and the human that refuses to serve God when he dies is sent to hell.

Genesis 6: 1- 6

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

God Bless

stay prayed up and ready to go up

cowboy

Earl,

I do not believe that Jesus was only a man and that He received the Holy Spirit at His baptism. I do not believe that He was only a man that was filled with God at His baptism. These views have been denounced as heresies throughout the centuries. To believe that Jesus was only human, then such belief denies that He was divine, as well from birth. Denying the divinity of Jesus denies that He pre-existed for all of eternity in the Trinitarian Godhead for all eternity and never had a beginning as God the Son. If Jesus died as only a human, His sacrifice could only reconcile man to man, not man to God. But, the church has affirmed that Jesus was fully human and fully divine in one nature (without mixing the natures to become a third type of nature). It is this human/divine nature that made his sacrifice efficacious for mankind by being a perfectly sinless man and perfectly and equally divine Son of God, (as the Father and the Spirit are perfectly and equally divine) He was able to satisfy what God required of man to be in right relationship with God (which no other human can be) and being divine, He is able to reconcile us to God and raise up us up to have union with God, as He promised at the Last Supper as He prayed. John 17:20-23. Christian orthodox teaching has stated that our Savior is equally human and divine because that is what was necessary for mankind to be fully redeemed to what God willed for us to become in Him.

Earl, I know that we will agree to disagree on this, but I do think that it is vital for believers to know correct doctrine, and I contend for the orthodox teachings of the church because it is important to refute heretical ideas. We cannot both be correct in this. If you are willing, you may want to study the various heresies rejected by the church over the centuries concerning the nature of Jesus Christ as to what the heretics taught about this topic, and what the church pointed out as the error in the heretics teaching.

Blessings, always.

I have to disagree with you

Judas said he betrayed and innocent man and repented

He returned the money and left

And hung himself

He could not accept what he did

But you forget Jesus said that what Judas did had to happen to fulfill the scriptures

The priest buried the money in the field that judas hanged himself

How long did hang on that tree

Neither you or me know that

But after death the body will decay fast

You first recognize you are a sinnner

Then repent

Do you or anyone know that Judas was forgiven by Jesus Christ

No

But I believe Jesus loved everyone

Jesus is god

Much bigger than you or I

Where do you see in Bible that Judas was always possessed with the devil

Read the Bible that at the moment Judas dipped there hands in the bowl

Satan immediately entered into Judas

So he was not there before

Jesus was beaten spit on and had to carry his own cross he was nailed to the cross and buried and arose in three days

He suffered in hell for 3 days

For us who are all sinners

Remember the man on the cross Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise

God the father god the son and the Holy Spirit are the same

So Judas is the only person who could not be forgiven

You see I am only asking a question

Not challenging gods word

I am a Christian and love god with all my heart with all my soul with all my mind

And Thank god giving me the privilege of being a physician to serve god in that compasity

I hate the thought of anyone going to hell

So do I known the way Judas went

I believe in redemption

We all will know one day

I just want everyone will go to heaven

But god gave us free will

All I can do is pray for the lost

And witness

God will judge all the unrighteousness

One day

I know without a doubt Jesus saved me

Can I not wish the same for all of us sinners

I am under not illusion that there is a hell

Bless you my brother in Jesus Christ

Have a wonderful Christmas

Isaiah 58:1-14,

I believe you're asking for references in scripture for: 2 Esdras 15:3 , Psalm 37, Psalm 2:1, Psalm 21:8,11, hopefully these are helpful

Brother Rick, using either 'devils' or 'demons' is quite acceptable as the meaning is the same. It's just that the older translations (KJV, Tyndale Bible, Geneva Bible, etc.) use 'devils', whereas the newer translations use 'demons'. Maybe this was done to allay any misunderstanding between the devil himself & his 'demons', as some might think of 'devils' as many of the same hierarchy & control as Satan. Personally, I wouldn't judge anyone for choosing 'demon' to correctly describe those evil spirits that followed Satan & do his works on the Earth.

I guess I say both. Probably because of books I read in the past. You're right. The word isn't in the Bible. When I pray, I say evil spirit.

One told Jesus it's name was Legion, "because we are many."

Acts 19:15

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

I think most important is to not respond in any way other than HOW Jesus demonstrates (or Paul) in the scriptures. In my experience, they respect the name of Jesus and his shed blood. I don't like talking about it.

I was newborn Christian and I had to fight back. They will not cross the blood of Jesus. I was accused for having practiced astrology. I didn't have Bible knowledge yet. I had the Holy Spirit tell me to plead the Blood.

No Jesus was not born with the spirit

God the father god the Holy Spirit

One and the same

John chapter 1 verse 1 and verse 2

In the beginning was the word the word was with god and the word was god

2. The same was in the with god

3.all things that were made by him

And without him was not anything made that was made

4 in him was life and the life was light of men

Which means god the father god the son and god the Holy Ghost

Which are the same had no beginning and had no end

Jesus obviously did have the spirit

And Jesus had no beginning and no end

Bless you

Hello John. The Bible that you can read on this Site, is the King James Version & it is different from the Catholic Edition of the Bible. Its chief difference is the inclusion of seven apocryphal books interspersed within the Old Testament of the Bible. Otherwise, apart from some slight differences & word usage, they are very similar.

Brother Earl. The Greek word for 'Convince' that you're seeing in Jude 15 is 'elegcho'. And this means 'to convict, reprove, expose, rebuke, discipline'.

The word that you believe it means is 'peitho', meaning, 'to persuade, urge, convince' (as in 2 Corinthians 5:11). Therefore, Jude 1:14,15 speaks of the Lord coming with His saints to carry out judgement & convict & expose the remnant ungodly upon the Earth. That they might know clearly their sins & their rightful judgement forever banished from the presence of the Lord, just as Sodom & Gomorrah "suffering the vengeance of eternal fire" ( Jude 7).

IS SALVATION CONDITIONAL OR UNCONDITIONAL

Romans 5:8 For God commendeth his love for us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

No conditions were put on man to be save, it's a gift of God. You were saved before you were ever born and before you ever sinned. ( Romans 9:11)

Grace is Grace and Mercy is Mercy.

Revelation 22:12 And behold I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as HIS WORK shall be.

Matthew 7:22 .... have we not done many wonderful WORKS

Matthew 7:22 ..... depart from me ye workers of iniquity .... this is man's reward, for man's work...

Amen Sister GiGI, I knew you would disagree, but there is coming a time when, ALL WILL BE IN UNITY.

All of this is God's plan, he has set brother against brother and sister against sister. This teaches us, the fruits of the spirit.

Our thanks to the all knowing God.

Brother Alex. I've been following your comments for many months now. The problem that you have in getting your points across to many of us is because of your definition of biblical terms & Truth.

People like Earl will appreciate what you write because he appears to understand the Bible in a similar fashion as you do. And I doubt that any amount of wordy exchanges between us would convince one side or the other to the other's belief.

In the matters of rebirth, hell, Lake of Fire, judgement, the Holy Spirit being a grandson, even the purposes & accomplishments of the Cross, most will always find disagreement with you. And this is because your definition of those doctrines are in variance to what the Bible teaches. If the foundation is not clear & firm, anything we build on it will not be the same & become increasingly divergent. So Bible verses will no longer mean what they're intended to mean & other meanings have to be forced to make them align with our beliefs.

Let us not diminish the "offence of the Cross". Satan rejoices that an easy path to salvation is presented because he knows that path leads to destruction. The Cross has & always will give forgiveness & hope to the convicted sinner, not a wishy-washy false hope that in the end all will be well. The Cross gives more than God's required payment for our sins - it saves us from an eternity of never-ending torment. If it were not so, there would be no need for such a great sacrifice & the offence of the Cross would have ceased. May we all be careful on how we read, interpret, & share from the Word.

WHAT HAPPENS AT JUDGEMENT

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, PROPHESIED of these, saying, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jude 1:15 To execute judgement upon all, and to CONVINCE ALL that are ungodly among them of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

What happens when Christ, through judgements, convinces them that they are ungodly:

Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess him as Lord.

Isaiah 26:9 ...for when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Psalms 22:27 And all the ends of the earth shall REMEMBER and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of nations shall worship before thee.

Jesus CAME TO SAVE SINNERS.

Thank you GiGi! I will try to follow up sometime.

Carelton,

I pray that you will have a quick and sure recovery. I am not sure of what prophecy you are asking about. Please clarify. I am not one to speak a lot about interpreting prophetic fulfillment in history. I am open to earing people's ideas on this topic. Feel free to clarify more what you are wanting me to explain and I will be glad to respond.

Dear brother Earl,

I read your post and cannot agree with what you stated about our Lord, Jesus. I hold to the long held orthodox view that Jesus was wholly God and wholly man in united in one person. This is the understanding of His nature presented by the church in the first 3 centuries of existence as it addressed various other views about Jesus-Arianism, Nestorianism, and others (which we determined to be heretical).

I hold this view because I believe the Scriptures support this view over the other views people propose about our Lord. Thank you for sharing. We just disagree on this point, and I believe it is a very crucial point. This is why I speak up about it.

Brother Dee, does Jesus blood cover ALL MEN of just SOME MEN. Is it up to man to be saved or up to the saviour when they will be saved. There are ages to come after the age we are now in.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be DESTROYED, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Every man born flesh and blood has to be destroyed.

We are all a son of perdition that has to be destroyed.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall DESTROY with the brightness of his coming ( Hebrews 9:28).

is this a catholic bible

Alex N Like I said you can't show what you stated line by line and word by word, you've made

my point

Hi GiGi, I had a bit of eye surgery so my thoughts are short for now as well as my reading abilities. Sometime I would like to read more of your thoughts regarding how much prophecy may already be fulfilled.

Thanks again.

Quadruple agreement my Precious brothers Chris, David, And Jesse!

God would NOT have us "go above 'That Which Is WRITTEN!'" 1Co 4:6 cp Psalms 138:2

Amen"?

References for 2nd Esdras 15:3

Precious friend, Gerry Shaver, I will pray for you; please Be Encouraged In The LORD JESUS CHRIST

2 Corinthians 12:9 God's Power Of ALL-Sufficient GRACE in our weaknesses and infirmities:

"PEACE With God," and knowing what good "tribulation worketh in us" Romans 5:1-5

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18

The Spirit "helps our infirmities, And Prays For us" Romans 8:26

The Spirit "Intercedes For us, According To The Will Of God" Romans 8:27

God Makes "all things Work Together For Good," for HIS Own Romans 8:28

We are "Predestinated To Be Conformed To The Image Of God's SON" Romans 8:29

God Helps us "bear our testings" 1 Corinthians 10:13

We have The Wonderful "Comfort Of God!" 2 Corinthians 1:3-4

"For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a Far More Exceeding and Eternal Weight of Glory" 2 Corinthians 4:17

God will "change our vile body" to be "like HIS Glorious Body!" Philippians 3:21

Amen?

Conclusion:

"For our infirmities/sufferings"? Should we not "follow Paul our 'pattern'" 1 Ti 1:16?:

"And HE Said Unto me, My GRACE Is Sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that The Power of CHRIST may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for CHRIST's Sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." 2 Corinthians 12:9-10

Amen? And Amen.

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Is it really sinful to work or do household chores on a Sunday?

Jesse A statement was shared with me long ago that stuck, what you can know by the five senses God expects

you to know and that includes His revealed revelation of His Word because we can see that. So with me Gods Word is what separates truth in anything dealing with life and Godliness. Also you cannot know[Ginosko experienced knowledge]

if not born again 1 Corinthians 2:14. For now God Bless

Hi Mishael I'm don't understand something everybody keeps saying the scripture says but when it comes

to evil spirits it says devils not demons, then i'm gonna hear its all the same if that's true why doesn't it say demons?

I believe Judas will go to hell, because he betrayed Jesus to help murder him for profit. This is like blasphemy and turning his back on Jesus. Peter denied Jesus, which might also be a form of blasphemy, however, I believe Jesus forgave him through a special circumstance- asking if he loved Him three times.

People are deceived if they believe everyone goes to heaven regardless of how much sick and vile evil they commit against God, like Hitler mass murdering people. Jesus already said most people will go to hell. Just read the gospels and his many parables. They are all similar themes- warning after warning.

Jesus died for everyone, but forgiveness is contingent upon someone humbling themselves, repenting, confessing, believing, declaring Jesus is Lord and accepting the gift. Acts 2:38 - this requires an action. It doesn't say 'Do nothing and ye shall receive the gift' or 'Keep sinning as much as you want...' Here's another action requirement: repentance: Luke 5:32. Here's another confessing: 1 John 1:9.

Romans 10:9 - notice the "If..." People don't say "if" unless it's conditional. Salvation is conditional.

This says to believe: 1 John 5:13. It doesn't say 'not believing is totally fine.' Romans 12:2 - this says to be transformed and to not conform to the world. That's a big bummer for those hoping for a free get out of hell free card to enjoy a lifetime of sin and guilty pleasures. Look at this: John 8:11 and even this: James 2:26. Another: James 4:6. Reading the Bible for what it is paints a very different picture than the little summaries people like to spread around. People who ignore all the Bible's teachings and do whatever they want should be afraid for their soul: Luke 12:5. God bless.