1 Corinthians Chapter 15 Discussion Page 2

Hello Again, Chris,

Wow...that is awesome to me that you have been right here before! What a thing!!

But other than that, I think you have missed the point and Truth that indeed Joseph IS Ephraim, and that is what is being said in Revelation, especially being that Manasseh, the other half-tribe of Joseph in addition to Ephraim, is also separately listed...thus a FULL 12 - TWELVE - Tribes-of-Israel NAMES...but totaling only ELEVEN TRIBES are in Revelation chapter 7's TWELVE NAMES LISTING...12...BUT NOT DAN!! Revelation 7 is the only listing in the Bible of the 12 Tribes where Dan is missing!! And being that Revelation is discussing and REVEALING by Almighty God Jesus Christ things END-TIME...that makes the Judges 5:17 question of God's so, so critical for the Bible believer to come to the answer of that will absolutely prove THE END IS HERE!

So then going back to that I was saying before, and saying it a little differently, it is deeply alluded to that the student must pray and look for, per the 3 passages, Genesis 49:16-18, Judges 5:17 mid-clause, and Revelation 7, the "and why did Dan remain in ships?"! That is what I studied to find some years ago and was asking you about; and that I would like to show you, being that you have not yet found the answer to that question of God's!!

So let me say and ask it this way: do you have means to phone me here in the U.S.? I have never called long-distance on my cell phone, and have no idea how to set such a thing up. So, if you can?!...**** is my number!

Then, I am not talking any "prophetical interpretations"; nor am I at all involved with anyone else in finding these things in hundreds and even thousands of my-own-by-myself hours of study over the years...these things are clear and guaranteed, and I am sure a couple hours on the phone together would have you absolutely convinced of and thrilled at these things! Want to do it?!!

I am completely flexible time-wise, so you pick it! Cordially, Richard

Hi Richard. We are 15 hours ahead of you here in Perth & just having some Autumn (Fall) rains as I write. My wife & I were in SLC a couple of years ago, meeting up with a Delta pilot friend who was hitching a ride on another aircraft to meet his own aircraft in another city. As well, we had a great coach tour from SLC through Idaho & Montana. We always enjoy visiting the U.S. & catching up with friends who are spread all over - but all that is now curtailed, for a long while I expect.

I have to admit, I'm not into such prophetical interpretations as you are involved in. I don't say that is wrong to do, but I can't in all good conscience take to such interpretations, let alone teach them. I'm satisfied with what we can clearly see in the Scriptures, & even if some of the countries mentioned in Ezekiel 38 (e.g. Magog, Meshech, Tubal) cannot be correctly identified, it does provide us with something that we can refer to. But to bring in the U.S., U.K., & others into the Scripture, I personally find difficult to do.

And with the Tribe of Dan, as also Ephraim, who are missing in the list in Revelation 7, there has been speculation. As also the mention of 13 Tribes in other OT Scriptures, where Joseph is left out & his sons, Ephraim & Manasseh are given. And then Joseph & Manasseh are found in Rev 7, but Ephraim is missing. I wonder whether there is any relation to the missing Ephraim & Dan tribes. Maybe the fact that they both were involved in idolatry & increasing apostasy in some way (Judges chapters 17-21) caused them being omitted. May you have the Lord's Wisdom, Richard, as you search the Scriptures to formulate teachings in respect to the End Times.

Hello Chris,

So we are what, then, you being in Australia?...about 12 hours apart time-wise?, as I am presently in Salt Lake City, Utah, it being now 2:00 A.M., USA Mountain-time. (Don't worry, I am not at all so-blind, so-deceived, and so-misguided Mormon/LDS!)

Yes, I am up now in the wee-hours of the morning, as I often am in Bible reading, and writing what I hope are encouraging evangelical Bible messages to both email and to print to hand out in public places. I have no family other than a landscape-architect sister in South Carolina, and a retired policeman brother in Atlanta, Georgia; and plus being now basically retired myself due to Covid I can do just about any sort of wake/sleep schedule as I might like, thus my often being up much overnight!

Let me ask you, what do you find of Prophetic End-Times Truth in the Bible? I have discovered America in tremendous amounts - probably well over 100 mentions in the Old Testament - as well much of England/the UK-British Isles, and even some references probably of where you are, Australia. I have also found reference to John Lennon and that most evil of antiChrist songs, Imagine, that he hatefully in-His-Face wrote against Almighty God Jesus Christ years ago.

Have you ever noticed that interesting quandary about the Hebrew Tribe of Dan...that for all the mentions of that Tribe in all the listings of the 12 Tribes/12 Sons of Israel in the Bible, that Dan is completely missing in the End-Times Revelation chapter 7 listing of the 12 Tribes?! See Genesis 49:16-18, and the awesome question God asks in the middle clause of Judges 5:17! I have found the answer to the great quandary of those 3 passages - Rev. 7:4-8, Genesis 49:16-18, & Judges 5:17 middle clause 7 words...and they are full of End-Time significance, as one would expect being that these 3 areas of the Scriptures are indeed End-Time sections! I have even found substantiating secular proofs to these verses, thus showing the End is definitely here! Richard"

The one True God, Yahweh is spelled with a capital G, not a lower case g. And furthermore, God exists is three persons as stated in 1 John 5:7 quotes, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Notice how the Triune God is mentioned several times by references plural pronouns such as us and our; describing the Trijne Godhead.

Mark 12:36-37 quotes, "For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly."

John 1-5 quotes, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1:14 quotes, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 19:30 quotes, "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

John 15:26-27 quotes, "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning."

The Father, Yahweh is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. They are the same person.

Hello Richard. Indeed, this is a great Website & very needful as the Lord might lead some here with questions, answers to which they cannot easily get elsewhere. I too happened on this Site a few years ago, primarily to have the App on my phone in case I suddenly needed to refer to the Scriptures & did not have my Bible, but in the last couple of years, was intrigued enough to search the Site further & come to this Discussion Page. And when Covid struck us & we were all confined to the house, I saw this Page as very useful to learn & share as a ministry.

My story is long & probably shouldn't be posted here but under 'Christian Testimonies', but to briefly answer your question: I'm 67 yrs of age of Indian (from India)/Armenian stock, retired & living in Perth, Western Australia. I came to know the Lord at a very early age through godly parents but after joining the Armed Services (RAAF), I soon departed the faith through the deceptions from fellow personnel. In hindsight, I don't see that my faith was real as I was under the influence of my parents & not by personal conviction. The Lord had to allow me to go through deep waters (of sin, drunkenness & debauchery), to the point of deep contrition of my many sins, before He could save me as I cried out to Him for mercy & salvation.

No Scriptures came to mind at that time as I already had knowledge of biblical Truth but it earlier failed to touch my heart. But when that moment came (in Oct, 1979), the Lord had seen to it that those in my living quarters were out so that I could have this encounter with Him. Almost all things that kept me from the Lord fell away, with some habits being dealt with. Because of that experience with His Spirit, the Books of Romans, Hebrews & 1 John are particularly precious to me. And after leaving the Service in 1980, I was involved in children's ministry, open-air preaching, Missions (in France, UK, Pakistan), Bible studies & witnessing, including some RC friends of ours. Every blessing.

Thank you Richard for those insights. I do agree with you, that Matthias wasn't appointed with the eleven till much later on (as you indicated, about 40+ days later). However, as it was the Apostle Paul writing this: "And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve", I should have explained my reason further: Paul wasn't necessarily seeing Matthias as part of the twelve at that point, but that Matthias (not being in the 'inner circle' of disciples) was also a witness to Jesus' resurrection at some point, who happened to be (later on) one of the twelve. But of course, that is just a guess as we're not told this & just my attempt to place Matthias with the others. But your suggestion of Paul giving the number 12 for simplicity's sake, is noted & quite possible. However, I don't believe that the twelve included any women, as was suggested by Maggie, the original enquirer.

Hello Chris, re: I Corinthians 15:5,

Please read Acts 1:13-26, in which you will see that Matthias was not chosen until well after Jesus' Resurrection AND His Ascension back into Heaven - somewhere about 40+ days after His Resurrection from the dead, best I think the contexts give us to try to figure this out, and "40 days" being indeed given in Acts 1:3 - Jesus appearing to the remaining 11 Disciples together, plus others as per Luke chapter 24, especially verses 9 & 33. "Eleven" are also spoken of in Matthew 28:16 and Mark 16:14, thus Matthias was not yet included with them.

I think these are all collectively referred to by God in I Corinthians 15:5 as "The Twelve" for simplicity of clear definition and identification of who all is being spoken of...the central nucleus of the "Twelve" Disciples of Jesus as seen over and over in the Gospel narratives; and the number Twelve fully corresponding to the 12 Tribes of Israel as per the last line of Revelation 21:12, with that clear relation given to the "twelve Apostles of The Lamb" in Revelation 21:14.

To say it another way and make a further point, I do not believe this I Corinthians 15:5 terminology of "The Twelve" constitutes anything of a discrepancy or contradiction of Scripture, when at that time discussed by Paul "eleven" would have been perhaps the more exacting number; the word "twelve" being just a simplification that clearly explains who is being spoken of, and that keeps the discussion going as everyone would understand what was being said and who was being referred to!

should we live as if it our last day

It's not ok. I wouldn't dare to intentionally violate God's commands.

If 1 14 Corinthians speaks about woman not speaking in church, why is it okay to have women as pastor?

Should it be a interpreter In church when people are speaking in tongues?

I understand the order of appearance as follows (aside from the two Marys, Joanna & other women) from 1 Corinthians 15:5: Peter first saw the empty tomb. Then all them together (the twelve, which included Judas' replacement, Matthias). After that over 500 of Christ's followers. Then again all the apostles including James saw Jesus & finally Paul himself as the last apostle who had that encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus.

In the same verse of Scripture, the Apostles are called out with James. Thus leading me to the conclusion that the 12 here are not in reference to the Apostles. Another fact is Judas is dead, and no long among the Apostles. So the question of an astute student is, who are the 12 Paul the Apostle is referring to? I do believe Paul is including Mary, Joanna, and Martha among this number. Pauls's information would have come second hand either from Peter or James. Which I believe most likely this was an accounting relayed unto Paul by Cephas, Peter the Apostle.

Hi Diane, the scripture tells us, Therefore we are always "CONFIDENT" while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord, For we walk by faith not by sight. We are "CONFIDENT", I say and "WILLING" rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. WE GO IMEDIATELY TO THE LORD!

Diane corbett, Probably already someone has commented to you about the Salvation Message. It is not by works of righteousness which we have done but it is according to His mercy (favor) for us that we are saved. Jesus Christ did everything for us on the cross. His blood atonement washes us from all of our sins.. We are completely restored in Him as His sons and daughters. He loves us that much that "He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes (trusts) in Him should not perish but have everlasting life". In the Word of God it reveals to us that God wants us to have a personal relationship with Him. His Holy Spirit is the One who brings conviction of sin. So the idea is that if we repent for all of our sins (no matter what it is), He is just and faithful to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness. After repenting, we then ACCEPT Jesus Christ into our hearts as LORD and Savior... From that point on we have begun a new life in Him which will last throughout all eternity. It is a free gift. But remember we must always honor Him as our LORD... (King, Master, Creator) and be obedient to Him as His servants...If we fall we always have an advocate (a helper, friend) to lift us back up. Again, Confess our sins and He is just and faithful to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". We as Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) need to read the Word of God daily to strengthen us daily... Jesus Christ died and ROSE again. He is ALIVE and lives forevermore and we as his loved ones remain in Him forever and forever! We fear no more. Death has no more sting...

I don't believe there's any Scripture to say this. We can observe from Jewish practise that they didn't resort to cremation of the dead, rather entombment, of if wealthy & had land, the body placed in a sepulchre, suitably embalmed & bound in 'grave clothes'. I would think that the early Christians followed this practise as well, as it was well known that those who generally cremated their dead were not of godly heritage.

For the Christian now, the choice is generally based on cost & the wishes of the departed. I don't see anything to preclude a Christian from cremating their dead, as God is well able to raise them to life in whatever form they are in now. My personal wish is for a burial when my time comes, in line with the practises of old, but of course, I would have little interest in this once departed.

Is there scripture stating that cremation is not biblical?

I don't believe that the Apostle Paul did wrong. The word that he used is 'aphron' in Greek, which means 'foolish, without reason, understanding or inconsiderate'. His use of the word denotes that the person did not understand the fact that as a seed is sown in the ground is in a 'dead, lifeless state', but when it germinates, it brings forth a plant peculiar to that seed. So too, at the resurrection of the dead: it is buried in a corrupt decaying state but raised in a new God-appointed state.

Then in Matthew 5:22, Jesus says, "That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." Here the word for 'fool' is 'moros' in Greek, from which we get the word 'moron', stupid, a fool. A person who says this to another (obviously said in anger & hatred), is likened to a murderer, who may not have murdered physically but done so in his heart. This person stands judged for it just as if he murdered physically. So you can see how Jesus brought the people, especially His disciples, the fuller, God intended meaning of the Law. The Law said, "Thou shalt not kill", but Israel failed to understand that that command could be broken by an act of the mind & probably the mouth.

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool,...

So, have apostle Paul sinned by saying this, and is in danger of hellfire?

Comments by Alex about how are we gonna be Gods simply b/c this corruptible is gona put on incorruption and this mortal is gonna put on IMMORTALITY which is God ,We are gona be changed in the twinkling of an eye ,there is gonna be marriage to God Almighty to his people, we are gona be made 1 with God thus we will share his GLORY ,THE VERY kINGDOM OF GOD IS GONA BE WITH IN US. As a young man marries a virgin so shall thy SONS MARRY THEE. As the bridegroom rejoices over the bride so shall thy God rejoice over thee, Thus we are gona be Gods. There is gonna be a marriage to God ( the sons ) which is the H.G. that are gonna be many as the stars of heaven,our sons are Spirits which is the H.G. sons of man etc. Thy maker is thy husband the God of the whole world shall he be called . Thus we are truly gona be Gods. Simply b/c this mortal is gonna put on immortality. It should read so shall thy SPIRITS marry thee WHICH IS THE H.G. that is gona marry us. The H.G. is our sons simply b/c we are gonna birth the H.G. via his good seed the word. The spirit and the flesh are gonna be made 1 .Remember he made his spit and the earth 1 ,his spit was just symbolic of his word which is spirit, the earth is just symbolic of humanity the world the flesh. he made em one which is a marriage and this is how the eyes of the blind man are gona be opened the world. The eyes of the world are blind at this time . darkness has covered the world and gross darkness the people A SPRITUAL BLINDNESS . OK GBU

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First stop after we die is called paradise. Where we will be judged for all things done while we lived. Either good or bad. We will get rewards there also for the good things we have done. And maybe some rewards will be taken away for the bad things we have do. Then its on to heaven after this judgement. If you make to paradise, you are safe.

Sunday is our first day of the week. The Lords day. The day Jesus rose from the dead.

The moment we die, are we judged immediately by Jesus ?

Does our spirit then remain in Heaven until Jesus returns?

Revelation 1:18 "i [christ] am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold!!! i am alive for evermore, amen; and i have the keys of hell and of death!!!" i, jesus christ, beat death!!! i won!!! therefore you win!!! hallelujah!!!

If I depended on the wisdom or understanding of man , I'd have nothing at all .

I do not like being deceived and only the Father in heaven by whom we gain access to through the Son , are educated by the Holy Spirit .

Yes Jesus said will He find faith when he comes ? The world will be so much in darkness before he comes . And already is . It will get worse , but the elect will endure .

In a perfect world this would be true. In 1964, Courts ruled to toss the Bible out of schools. (By one old athiest woman)

Before the Church woke up, it was law.

Everyone was distracted by advances in the Space program. Cuban missile crisis and the race crisis. I graduated high school when they were trying to burn down Washington DC.

Evil prospers when good people do nothing. A lot of people don't know the Laws of God. It's up to people to find political support to rescind those laws. People can have abortion rescinded this year IF. They would vote for candidates that are against abortion. But they choose to vote blue, red, or for nobody. It's in Isaiah.

The Free Love generation threw off all restraints and ushered in hedonism to the 10th power.

This is what we have to work with. You can be the John the Baptist of the 2020's, but "they" will just UNFRIEND you.

Or you can preach on here, facebook, Twitter, or on the sidewalks of your city-

Like Jesus did. One person at a time, or at gatherings.

People are accountable for what they know and do once they receive Christ as Savior. Some people get "saved" and continue to live sinful because of Churches who preach a watered down version of the Bible. The Nicolaitans preach that message (book of Revelation). The greater sin is on Churches who DO NOT preach the New Testament.

Jesus gave us 2 new Commandments. If we do those, we will not violate the 10.

The advantages of being virgins before marriage, is the the female hymen which prevents sexual disease and pregnancy, hopefully.

Hardly anyone knows what the word CHASTITY means; or teaches it. The greater sin is on the Church. Churches are the only possible restraint against a "No restraint society."

You teach it. It's in your heart to care about it. Preach against sowing wild oats and hoping for crop failure. Allowing "crops" to be raked out and sold by Planned Parenthood", for laboratory experiments.

Come Lord Jesus! Mishael

Yes. Solomon.

Your verse 32 states except for fornication , that's premarital sex , it makes a marriage void because they played a harlot before marriage or whore monger . They where to be virgins at marriage.

Fornication is out side of a marriage .

All sexually activity within a marriage is Adultery .

Marriage is very rarely understood in most places .

Read Romans chapter 6 it's the Law yes applies today as well .

It's really simple but men make it confusing.

I Corinthians 7 is the marriage chapter.

Jesus replied to someone's question about divorce in Matthew 5.

Matthew 5

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

You're not going to hell.

Problems arise when people break a vow, remarry and try to blend families. It confuses children most often. They may have emotional closeness issues into adulthood. It is wisdom to remain single until the children have left home to start their lives.

It is a good thing to go to your Pastor, or a pastor and discuss this divorce fully, and with prayer.

Our society tends to jump over any Biblical input into marriage and remarriage. I think we can see by the content of some of Dr Phil's programs, the effects of marriages, divorce and lives lived without Biblical principles. You're doing a good thing by asking.