Revelation Chapter 7 Discussion Page 5

Delanie, You & your family share a very great burden. To be wrongfully accused & imprisoned is certainly unfair. I would like to share these thoughts with you. The Apostle Paul was called by God to preach the gospel to the Gentiles. However, he spent much of his time in prison. He could have wondered why was God allowing this & how could he fulfill his purpose when he was locked up? Yet because of his being in prison his message reached kings & nobles & high ranking military men not to mention the letters he wrote to the churches that make up most of our New Testament, today (& his message continues to reach souls even to this very day). Joseph was sold into slavery by his own brothers & then Potipher's wife lied about him & he was imprisoned. He had valid reasons to lose faith & become discouraged, but he kept his faith in God & kept a positive attitude & after many years of his trials, God used him mightily to save Israel. David was anointed to be King by Samuel but had to endure many long years of running for his life from Saul while God was preparing David to become the warrior king of Israel & subdue their enemies. God knows if your family member has been wrongfully sentenced. God will be with your family member thru the entire 6 years or bring them out sooner, if he wills it. Lift up prayers to God for your family member & trust the process. Pray that your loved one will keep the faith & use this time to grow closer to God. Ask other Christians to pray for your family member. Yes, seek any means available to procure an early release, but I pray that your family member will grow where God has allowed them to be planted. Grow in Grace! Vickie

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We can look at Jesus' prayer to the Father at the Mt. of Olives ( Matthew 26:39): Jesus, in His mental agony of the great cost of redemption of mankind before Him, cries to the Father to remove this cup of suffering from Him, but that the Father's Will only be done in this. Did God sympathize with Him & said, "Yes Son, I will spare you, the world is unworthy of my Love"? We know that God's Will was that the full payment for sin & man's redemption was the sole purpose for Christ's coming to Earth. Jesus, as a MAN in pain, cried out to the Father for relief, but the Father's Response was that, pain & death had to be endured for the 'greater good' that mankind can once again be restored.

What I've shared here DaLanie, is that we must, as God's children can come to Him with our praises & also our concerns. He delights to hear us & answer us. But we have to take into account that His Answers to us will always be according to His Will, His Perspective of the situation, & His Timing. We may feel that He doesn't hear us, or that He isn't seeing the situation as we are seeing it, but we know that our loving Father makes no mistakes & His Will will be performed to the last detail. So hang in there & look to Him expectantly & be thankful for all that transpires in this legal matter. You can use human means that are available to you (nothing wrong with that, as God works through all people; e.g. doctors, politicians, etc.), but we need to remember, that "it is God Who works both in you to will & to do of His good pleasure". ( Philippians 2:13); and this working is not only in you for your maturing in Christ, but also in all your circumstances. Just trust Him fully in this matter & continue to love Him no matter the outcome - He does ALL things well.

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DaLanie, okay, I do understand the restrictions for visiting at present, though no doubt, these will ease in the weeks ahead. The matter of prayer & specifically the answers we expect from God, has resulted in some folk overjoyed in answers received & others disappointed & wondering whether God even heard them.

Prayer is essentially a child of God's conversation with his/her Father. It can comprise of many things, but mainly in praise & worship and in petition. Your urgent & longing prayer to the Father is for His intervention in your loved one's predicament & for the forces that acted against him/her be dealt with. All we can do in our petitioning to God is to first love Him & obey Him in everything He asks of us. Secondly, we have to come to Him in simple faith ( James 5:15, 16: speaks of prayer of faith & effectual, fervent prayer). Thirdly, we must pray according to His Will ( 1 John 5:14, 15: is about asking about matters that are in His Will, & if so, He will hear us (not that He doesn't receive our prayers, but that He hears with the intention of responding)). Fourthly, that His answers to our prayers are not always the way we would like it to be, i.e. God has His reasons that encompass a larger view of the matter than we have, or His timing is different, His purposes are unknown to us, etc.

I am not aloud to go visit him, even if I wanted to which I do, I can't due to the COVID-19 outbreak. But another thing that I seem to be struggling with when it comes to this situation is that my whole family prayed constantly because we have been told that God will answer all of our prayers, but they weren't answered. And it is really disappointing.

DaLanie, you've presented a very sad situation that so many also face, & there are no simple answers to it since the legal processes have been at work, however, erroneous they may have appeared to be. As Mishael said, you can get legal aid to find out your options & also to have a second hearing (hopefully it will proceed properly).

You can also visit with your loved one in prison, attend to his needs, phone calls, encouraging words from the Bible, & all these under girded with much prayer, that the Lord Who sees all things, will turn the hearts of men in power. Your loved one must never feel abandoned & he should use his time in prison wisely, whether in work there as an inmate, or volunteering help to the prison system, or even having spiritual discussions with others (if he is allowed to). The authorities will notice the different person that he is, & no doubt his behaviour & submission to authority, may just lessen the sentence given. Most importantly, your loved one needs to keep his faith strong & not succumb to Satan ploys & to daily seek to use God's Love & Wisdom to minister to others. Blessings all round will surely be seen.

Yes, I am a christian and so is the family member of mine. I love and believe in God, but I haven't known him very long sadly. And my family is currently trying to get a public offender know to see what we can do. And I also like to believe that the person will win there case before God 100%. But, Thank you so much for your help Mishael I appreciate it. Stay safe and take care and God Bless you. :)

All I know is that Jesus is your Advocate;

Your attorney who speaks for you when Satan accuses you before the throne.

1 John 2:1

If the defendant is innocent; then he should win his case before God.

I'm not an attorney.

I'm going to note that you have not said if this person is a born again Christian. Are you a Christian? Meet with legal aid and find out if evidence can be reviewed. Write everything down.

Someone needs to be brave and just get it down to bare bones about the Rapture; and the Second Coming. Two separate events.

The bare bones is this: quit waiting for some big sign post in the sky that says it's going to be tonight or next week. Our time for sin is done. Quit wondering and open up the door of your heart that Jesus is knocking on.

Give your life to Jesus Christ... and take His Life. Accept him as your Savior and Lord.

Take yourself OFF of the throne of your heart....and PUT Jesus on that throne. Do it now!

End your fleshly, worldly lifestyle and begin to live for Jesus only. If the Holy Spirit cringes in your home....get rid of the idols.

You cannot learn the Bible with media all over your home. Stop now and read this passage: it's about the media!! Isaiah 8:18-22. Wizards that peep and mutter are computers that are hooked up to internet, Facebook, evil Twitter of voices of heartless hell bound people. Verse 20, because there is NO LIGHT in them! People feed themselves on garbage every day. No wonder there is no sense of stability in their christian walk.

We're living in Bottom Line days here! The moment Jesus speaks COME UP, we are gone. The door is shut.

Avoid all the confusion of varying opinions. BE BORN AGAIN NOW. Then you won't have to wonder when THE MOMENT will be. Your ticket is punched. You are ready to board!!

We are surely going to see Matthew 24 bloom and spread out across the world. Time for lively debates has passed. If you care so much, go next door and see if your neighbor is ready....and to others on the street. Romans chapter one.

If other people are not saved; do not want to be saved; ask you to leave ( Romans 1)

They are dead already. Noah's world drowned. This world is going by fire.

It blows my mind that people are not one bit curious about New Jerusalem? Are not highly excited about meeting the Son of God. Beloveds, look forward. Be ready. Keep your eyes on Jesus.

Suresh, Frankincense is similar to Incense, in that it too can be used for providing aroma & also of have some medicinal value. Of course, we note that Frankincense was brought as a gift by the Magi to the new born baby Jesus, usually understood as a symbol of Jesus' future priestly role (as Gold was for His Kingship & Myrrh, prefiguring His death).

Whereas, Incense in Hinduism, though similar in providing a sweet odour, is essentially used in the performance of puja & prayers to a deity in an offering made in love to the deity. And incense is used in other religions as well for similar purposes, other than to given a sweet smell in a house, generally used today. In pure Christianity, incense is not used, as we believe that the God Whom we worship delights in His people coming to him anywhere, anytime & without the need of any paraphernalia to bring Him any further delight or acceptance. We come to God in simple love & faith & believing He hears & answers our prayers to Him.

What is the difference from frankincense and the incense ( Samagra )burnt by Hindus

Repent: The meaning for those with eyes to see and ears to hear:

Acts 3:19 REPENT Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your SINS sins may be blotted out, (change your mind on SIN)

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of SINS sins,

Acts 8:22 REPENT Repent therefore of this thy WICKEDNESS wickedness,

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not REPENT repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. ( repent uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness )

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to REPENT repent of her FORNICATION fornication; and she repented not.

(IS FORNICATION A SIN OR A CHANGE OF MIND?)

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit ADULTERY adultery with her into great tribulation, except they REPENT repent of their DEEDS deeds.

Revelation 9:21 Neither REPENTED repented they of their MURDERS murders, nor of their SORCERIES sorceries, nor of their FORNICATION fornication, nor of their THEFTS thefts.

1st Corinthians 6:9 311 know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived neither fornicators nor adulterers nor idolaters or a feminine or abusers of themselves with mankind Northeast nor Covetous nor drunkards nor revilers North storage nurse shall inherit the kingdom of God and such were some of you but you are washed but you are Sanctified but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the spirit of our God. You see bob that the blood of Christ washes away all the sin of the Believers so when God sees the believer he sees perfection it's clear that we were all of those things before we trust in Christ as our savior the only difference is we are washed sanctified and purified in the blood of Christ it's his blood that washes us not our Behavior Romans 4:8 blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against him ! did the dying Thief repent of sin? or did he believe on the Lord? Meaning he changed his mind about Christ and believe that he was truly the Lord and that Jesus could save him and Jesus did indeed save him saying today you will be with me in Paradise he had no time to repent of sin or get baptized he was dying on the cross with Jesus and Jesus required nothing of him but simple belief.

I think what you need to do Bob is prove to everyone that repent means to turn from sin because it doesn't it means to change your mind God changed his mind many times and in order for anyone to be saved they have to change their minds and if you had to turn from sin to be saved you become the savior and therefore you're not going to be saved Romans 11:6 and if by Grace then it is no more of Works otherwise Grace is no more Grace but if it be of works and it is no more grace otherwise work is no more work Ephesians 2:8 and 9 for by grace are you saved through faith it is not of yourselves as gift of God not of Works lest any man should boast 1st John 1:8 if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in US

the great multitude are the explained in Isaiah 11 :11...shalom

This is the barley harvest after the first fruits are sealed the faithful church in Revelation 3:10 and the church that is watching and praying they are worthy to escape these things in Luke 21:36 it is the rapture but not like you have been taught it's not the trumpet sounding and the dead in Christ rising in 2 thess that happens at wheat harvest which is at the last trumpet the 7th trumpet in Revelation which the barley wheat and first fruits will also be apart of the grape harvest comes later with those who didn't take the mark are raised to life again to rule and reign with us a 1000 years there are 3 harvests after the first fruits 144000 are sealed so it's the rapture of the faithful church that is watching and worthy to escape the 7 trumpets it's the barley harvest

Ken You write "if repent means to turn from sin then God is a sinner because he repented so many times"

Do you dare to compare yourself with a sinless God by claiming repent means to the same thing for both of us?

Sinful man vs a sinless God? Have you never known words to have more than one meaning?

So in Revelation 2 when the Lord told the Believing church to repent, what were they repenting of?

Their unbelief? A change of mind.

Revelation Chapter 2

1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

except thou repent.

except thou repent.

except thou repent.

except thou repent.

telling the BELIEVING CHURCH to REPENT OF WHAT?

UNBELIEF?

Hi Bob this is Ken I agree with you on the first two Commandments these are the Commandments of Christ The Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross as you are well aware of by the scriptures Jesus himself said not to put new wine into old wineskins he was referring to the age of Grace the church age in which we are living right now and if repent means to turn from sin then God is a sinner because he repented so many times I can't even count for everyone who wants to know that the Commandments of Christ are 1st John 4:21 and this is the Commandment we have from him that we he who loveth God loves his brother. 1st John 5

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, OUR FAITH......

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Son of God?

Revelation 2:11 he that has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the church is he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. We learn in 1st John 5 that the Overcomer is the one who puts their faith in Jesus Christ or believes is finished work what is his finished work? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them this is the work of God that you believe on him who he sent! And when he was talking to the church. And when he told the church in Revelation to repent he wanted them to come back to his first work ,which was to believe on Christ and go forth with that teaching! what they were doing as we have in this day and age and which you have presented is another gospel in which you mingle works with our faith Works cannot come until we have faith.

Greetings Ken, Agreed we need to believe and depend on HIS WORKS, not our own.

However Jesus said some things to consider

Jesus said in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Someone asked Jesus what was the most important commandment.

Matthew 22:36 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Mat 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40 - On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Mark 6:12 - And they (12 apostles) went out, and preached that men should repent.

Jesus speaking in Luke 13:3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

and again Luke 13:5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish

Repent of what?

Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 2:21 - And I gave her space to repent of her (SIN) fornication; and she repented not.

Rev 2:22 - Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit (SIN) adultery with her into great tribulation,

except they repent of their deeds.

Jesus speaking and telling the BELIEVING CHURCH IN EPHESUS TO REPENT

Revelation 2:1 - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;

Rev 2:4 - Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Rev 2:5 - Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent,

and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Jesus told the believing church to repent...of what?

Hi bree this is Ken, God never said to turn from sin to be saved if you are hearing this which I would say 75% of all Christians who claim to be saved preach another gospel that Paul talked about one in which will not save this is why Christ says I never knew you when these people come to him and say we did all these things in your name we cast out demons and we prophesied in your name you see Jesus never said I knew you once and lost you because you kept sinning he said I never knew you because they believed that they had to turn from their sin that they had to get baptized that they said they had to give Jesus their heart that they had to make Jesus the Lord of their life see when you do all that and rely on that to assure you of your salvation you become the Savior and not Jesus if you take the Lord at his word hey you just have to Simply trust in his finished work that he traded places with you he took your sin and paid for them all of them past present and future and he gave you his perfect sinless righteousness as a free gift and if you would just simply receive this gift the Bible says that he gives you power to become the sons of God

Thank you for breaking this down i just had someone tell me that i needed to know what gate i was going in because if i wasn't in the 144,000 i wasn't one of Gods chosen to make it to heaven no matter if i repented and turned away from my sins and was living a Christ like life. I was very puzzled like why growing up in church i was taught that if you live faithful and serve God without sin that I will make it to heaven when he returns to receive his bride the church. I was very lost and confused but your comment cleared up my confusion. Thank you

If you be obedient to God you can make it in to heaven.

In street ministry you find that many out there believe in God and Jesus. They might drink and prefer the company of like friends. I've never met anyone abusive. I buy some a hamburger at McDonald's or give them coupons to get one. I could tell so many heart aching stories. Young teens who'd rather live out there, than at home. All willing to be prayed for and happy to get a cool T-shirt or hoodie. It makes your prayer life explode with purpose and direction. You understand how Jesus met those with needs and did good things and the miracles. He wanted his followers to do the same. I know why he went outside the camp to pray alone.

Talk about fire and brimstone! Please recall, It's the goodness of God that leadeth thee to repentance. -- Rom. 2:4. All you street preachers mix some honey with your vinegar. Put yourselves in the shoeless footsteps of the skid row sinner. He is likely using (abusing) to escape their sinful state. They likely have already experienced the wrath of Satan. He and she are trying to find solace in a dark and crooked and perverse world the they have already been subjected and are currently enduring. So you are the light of God to them and representing God's love for them. What an honor, privilege in the exercised authority and (exousia) power you have - in the absence of the physical Christ!

In the RSV Version, Chap.7, V.14 Must be understood in light of the intermediate context of Revelation Chaps. 1-3 The overall instructions with subsequent promises to the churches of Asia (minor) Rev.3 10 says, "Because you individual 'you' have kept the word of my patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole earth to try all those who dwell upon the earth." This promise is to all the churches from the first century until now. Chap 7 v 13, He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. That's churches plural. This admonition is repeated at the close of the addresses to all the churches. The Church is not appointed unto wrath.

revelation 7:6
Tribe of Manaseses is listed, not Dan's.
Should Manasses be inclused in Joseph?

God said if you want wisdom ask and he will give it to you. he god said that you can ask his son jesus for wisdom.

Well said. Scriptural support with Contextual correctness is key as far as side of truth is concerned.

Jesus is God who came to earth and died for you to forgive your sin. Read the book of John to learn more.

Who is Jesus

Show me in Gods bible! Not from the Babylon mystery religious system. Thanks