Revelation Chapter 7 Discussion Page 2

Brother Joshua,

You may or may not be right. I realize I am not smart enough to predict the end time, or spend time on conspiracy theories. I rest easy in the Lord, and I confide all of my worries to him. God tells us:

Matthew 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

This verse is so very powerful:

Zephaniah 2:3

"Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger."

God tells us above - that he may hide us in the day of the LORDS anger, that is the Meat and Drink that I focus on.

Happy Sabbath Day!

I think the important point of Matthew 24, and Luke 21, is when we see these things happening at the same time; we are to be looking UP because our redemption is close.

If you'll visit THE TWO PREACHERS on YouTube; they are missionaries who also collect disaster videos daily, from people in other countries. They Mail videos in to their website to publish.

America is having our own disasters true, but combined with videos from other countries; you understand that the Last Days are advancing faster.

Signs of the times. We should keep a daily eye on Jerusalem Post DOT com as well. The Book of Daniel is one to study now.

Common folks know something is happening, but they may not be seeing it as happening world wide. As Jesus's followers we need to get this out to people on social media but not seeing the reality.

Jesus is coming for those LOOKING FOR HIM.

Keep a bookmark in the 10 VIRGINS PARABLE.

Preach. Relate News. Tell Stories!

Think like an evangelist please! We are shepherds. We lead sheep to the truth and reality. We carry lambs. We discern situations.

Bossy and condescending are not good references. Tell me a Story of WHO The Good Shepherd is?

Today I cleaned through everything to find every Bible Tract or pamphlet I have. I'm handing them out door to door at my senior complex. I gave a pamphlet and a parakeet to a new resident who's lonely, from California. Her kids moved her here. The parakeets name is John the Baptist.

He's loud.

Figure out what part you are in the Body of Christ. I'm feet carrying the Good News.

Dear Joshua Ofor on Revelation 7.

Revelation 1: 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

One day in the future, we will see all things. Please dont read and mixed up things with this or that.

God have the control of all thing. Belive in Him the only God and King Jesus Christ our savior. Love u in Christ

The end-time curses and plagues occur when anti-christ is in power, not before. The US Gov use media tricks that are planned propaganda to fool you. WMD? Chapter 9 cover 2 trumpets (5&6) and 2 armies (Babylon & beast) where the later smashes the former to dust. Matthew 24, Jesus describes the day of the Lord attack on the Lord's people, in the land of the Lord, Ezekiel 38.

"What follows is a preparation for the seventh seal, which is the weightiest of all. It is connected with the sixth by the particle and; whereas what is added, verse 9, # Rev 6:9 stands free and unconnected|. I saw four angels - Probably evil ones. They have their employ with the four first trumpets, as have other evil angels with the three last; namely, the angel of the abyss, the four bound in the Euphrates, and Satan himself."

Again , look in Revelations chapter 9. We find that the four angels had been reserved for a year , a month , a day, an hour TO SLAY A THIRD OF MANKIND. No doubt evil.

I wonder whether they are the four major mrna vaccines firms : Pfizer, AstraZeneca , Johnson & Johnson , and Moderna? Hence the "scorpions" in chapter 9. Possibly syringes? Or vaccinations?

Five billion people (and counting) who have been vaccinated. The scientists of faith tell us that they carry a legion of diseases. Some quick acting. But most slow acting but certain in their goal.

In the time of Noah, ( Gen 6 ) we are told that the "sons of God" ( rebellious angels were cast out of Heaven ) and saw the "daughters of men" and married them. This cross fertilisation of non/human DNA destroyed the pure human gene pool. The Holy Spirit could not indwell in their offsprings as they were no longer human. But Noah was "Perfect" ( Tamiym ) . The interpretation given in the Old Testament lexicon: complete, whole, entire whole, sound, healthful complete, entire (of time) sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity what is complete. It lends itself to a PHYSICAL perfection.

Today, the four angels and their vaccines, if true , we are told, change the DNA of mankind.

Christ told us in Matthew 24 :"As it was in the time of Noah, so shall it be in the time of the coming of the Son of man".

It is also in that same passage that Christ says that He will send his angels to gather His "elect" from the four winds held by the four angels.

Hello Daniel nice to meet you:

Sorry no tribe of Dan.

These symbolic tribes made Mary and joseph available

OR chosen to take care of the promise seed; Jesus Christ. Matthew 1; Revelation 7:4-8

by means of these tribes 144,000 will be chosen from God himself (from earth 50ad-?) to share as Jesus helper in Jehovah's ( Psalm 83:18) coming Kingdom. Revelation 20

However, the Dan tribe and many others also mentioned in Matthew 1 did not share in the baptism of holy spirit. ( Acts 1&2 Chapters). so therefore, they have a privilege of being

resurrected back to earth in the

coming kingdom. Revelation 21:3-5

Psalm 37:9-11,29,34; Matthew 6:9,10

Where is mention of the tribe of Dan being sealed ?

Romans 10:17

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Galatians 3:2

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

The more Bible you can get inside of you, the stronger you will be in your faith. Read John 3, ask to receive the Holy Spirit. Ask HIM to teach you what the scriptures mean. Ask for what you need.

There are things you can do also, it depends on your persistence to pursue everything the Holy Spirit has for you.

Personally I gorge myself on Bible Reading every day almost. When I wash dishes I listen to FM RADIO, Christian radio teaching ministers; sometimes on AM radio too. I like Paul Shepherd and Greg Laurie.

Sometimes when the news is shocking, I listen on YouTube to King James Bible: Faith verses, healing verses, spiritual warfare Bible verses.

Sometimes I may listen to some Isaac Air Freight to enjoy some comedy from a Biblical perspective. The more you get inside of you, the quicker you will grow up. We're to be sober minded for sure, heavenly minded, but able to not lose our sense of humor.

Sometimes talking to our friends and family is less frightening if we have a balance of everything in our "quiver". A quiver is the sling we wear with our arrows in it. God uses arrows guided by the Holy Spirit. They change us on the inside first, and then the Lord uses us to be witnesses. He leads; we follow Him.

Mishael

How can i keep my faith strong

no not really God is just so awesome.

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, (Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.)

There are some things that no one knows or will know until that great day.

Revelation 7 Explained:

Even if you have read Revelation 7 hundreds of times, you may not have noticed something peculiar. After the tribes are sealed, vs 1-8, time skips forward 3.5 years, showing the same 144K resurrected and standing about the throne.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. These are the firstfruits who will serve a thousand years with Jesus Christ.

Revelation 7

The sealing of 12 tribes: The Elect

Jacob's 12 sons in order of birth: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin.

Prior to the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord battle, 12 tribes of Israel are sealed 42 months from death, and witnesses to antichrist's atrocities.

Revelation 7 tribe sealing in order: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin.

In the field of 14 tribes, 12 are sealed; Dan and Ephraim have been left out. Joseph still represents two tribes, but in this case, for their apostasy, he replaces both Dan and Ephraim . Their seal exclusion implies that the 144K elect will be pure and righteous, having a strong testament of God's word.

In Judges 17-21, before Israel had a king, and in their territories, Dan and Ephraim refused to conform to religious standards. Moreover, Dan was not pleased with the land God gave them, and they with Ephraim chased after idols.

Why is the tribe of Dan not listed here?

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Wesley's Notes for Revelation 7:10

7:10 Salvation to our God - Who hath saved us from all evil into all the happiness of heaven. The salvation for which they praise God is described, verse 15; # Rev 7:15 that for which| they praise the Lamb, verse 14; # Rev 7:14 and both|, in the sixteenth and seventeenth verses. # Rev 7:16|,17

People's Bible Notes for Revelation 7:10

Re 7:10 Salvation to our God . . . and unto the Lamb. The praise of our salvation be given to God and to the Lamb.

In this scripture, God and Jesus are being praised for salvation of the earth, and humankind.

Something that I do when a scripture seems unclear, is to ask The Holy Spirit to explain it. He desires to be our Teacher. Jesus sent him to all believers on the Day of Pentecost. We all should ask for help.

It may involve being still before the Lord. Which generally means turn off the media in the room and listening intently.

If you read the story of the two women both named Martha: one was scurrying around serving the company. The other Martha was sitting at the feet of Jesus, totally engaged with what He was teaching. The 2nd Martha is the one that was remarked upon.

Point: being busy and distracted is not really a good thing if you cannot hear what Jesus is saying.

My comment: hearing an answer or reply from the Holy Spirit, will create a hunger within your spirit to spend time with Him.

Don't ask things you can easily look up in a Bible Encyclopedia, a Commentary or googling History. Do you see my suggestion? If you are still not understanding something, ask, believe, and you shall receive.

Mishael

In Revelation 7:10 it says "salvation to our God" ... I am baffled as to how our God needs salvation? This is really throwing me for a loop . Thanks for any clarification, Tamara

THE FIRST RESURRECTION: The seventh trumpet resurrection happens in the twinkling of an eye. ( 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Judgment for these resurrected Christians takes place in the space between the seventh trumpet and before the twinkling, rather simultaneously.

The 144,000 out of great tribulation are judged ( Revelation 20:4) and made whole. These are the elect only, no others. Resurrection scriptures were tailored for the elect, of the great tribulation, who rise first.

The resurrection accounts of the 144,000 are on record, and their numbers add up: "10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000 + thousands and thousands" is another way of saying 144,000. ( Revelation 7:9 [that's them]) ...a great multitude...in white robes...out of the great tribulation. ( Revelation 11:12)

( Revelation 5:11) And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands.

( Revelation 7:13-14) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes (fifth seal brethren) and whence came they?....they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes...

It makes sense for the 144,000 to rule the world with Christ for the 1,000 years. Then bring up the balance for the new heaven and new earth.

For resurrection perspective, the current world population is 7.8 billion people.

Conservatively speaking, 25 billion Christians have lived since the first century AD.

If these 25 billion dead in Christ are resurrected at the last trumpet, where will they go?

25 billion (physically) are not sustainable, suggesting that the first fruits are a small body of the core church. Many will remain asleep.

THE SECOND RESURRECTION: God's balance of 108 billion souls will come to the table. ( Ecclesiastes 12:7) The new earth & new heaven will accommodate all.

Greeks astronomers discovered during a lunar eclipse, the earth casts a perfect oval shadow on the moon. It is easy to verify. There was never a big foot, just a guy with a million dollar marketing strategy.

If you are indeed a young man, you're gonna pick up grease. Keep in mind, there's also adventure out there to put you on the floor laughing, remembering to breathe.

Hello Kayden,

As I noticed in one of your other posts that you are young and are close with the Lord. This gives me great pleasure.

I just wanted to respond to this post. As the "shape of the earth" has been brought up here before. The main thing is that it is a topic that seems to divide the body of Christ more than do good for us that follow the Lord.

Again, I am very pleased to see someone so young on the path of truth.

I hope none of my brothers and sisters are angry with me for this but I must respond to you with this. Just the other night I was reading Isaiah. I came across Isaiah 38:7-8 where the Lord made the sun go backwards.

Just another verse for you to note.

God bless.

thanks I love this . I use it for my daily devotionals and study. Im blessed to have this bible. thanks again and God bless you

In every Bible-based, Bible-believing congregation, the 'leader of the Church' (also, called an Elder or Pastor) should have elders & deacons to assist in the teaching, direction, & management of the flock. So in Acts 20:28, Paul called for the Ephesians elders & gave them this instruction: "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

The Pastor & the eldership have the responsibility & endorsement by God to teach & shepherd His flock, ruling well & directing the Church according to the Scriptures & in a society that opposes Christ. In the early Church, believers were heavily dependent on their leadership for proper spiritual guidance as they had little else by way of the full counsel of God & spiritual maturity to discern correct or incorrect teaching. Therefore, the apostles had to often 're-teach' or warn the believers of wrong teaching & to beware of the 'wolves' lurking in the Church to destroy her.

Today, we have the full revealed Word in our hands & the Spirit to help us understand & apply its Truths. If the Pastor or speaker has said something that seems incorrect, or in your case, a questionable decision he has made, then I believe it is the right & responsibility of the Christian to enquire further about it. If it's a question of something spoken from the Word, one can approach the speaker (as a couple have even asked me to further expand a point that I may have glossed over). If it's to do with a Church matter (its organization, its direction, its ministry, etc.), then doubtless the elders would've come together to discuss & pray over the matter & the Church informed so the matter is fully aired. If there is an individual dispute over it, then it would be correct, in all humility & knowing the Pastor's position & responsibility, to seek further light on it from him or the elders. One shouldn't be chastised for it.

There are no direct scripture statements from anyone in the bible stating a,coming of Jesus before the trib. Why reach something rhats,not there?

Hello, that's great that you are seeking help both from God and your fellow Christians.

I noticed you said you make 'good money' but struggle financially. Your statement tells me both the problem and the solution. The problem is not that you don't make enough money, the problem must be how you manage it- your saving and spending habits. By chance have you heard of Dave Ramsey and his information on managing money? You can see most of the information for free online and on YouTube.

What's interesting is that income doesn't have much to do with how stable someone is financially. Poor people with low incomes can still save and some have done so and have become quite wealthy later in life. But other poor people spend what little money they receive right away and have nothing left over- often debt. On the other hand you also have people with a high income- some spend responsibly and save and have security, but others spend it all and have no financial security, but dept. Many millionaires have gone bankrupt from poor money management habits. So, some people with low income can be more rich and prosperous than those with a high income.

What's really hard for people is humbling themselves and lowing their income, because they don't want to lower their luxurious lifestyle. People do it, but people end up feeling entitled to a certain lifestyle and is very hard to break it. It will take discipline, but can it be done? Of course, if you stopped spending so much money you of course would recover. Programs like Dave Ramsey with a support system might help break bad spending and money habits.

God bless!

The Old Testament doesn't provide any clear reference to a star to be seen over Bethlehem. These 'wise men' or magi from Eastern lands were observers of the starry kingdom, & even though they may have used their art for dubious purposes, there was suddenly an observance that appeared to them that was out of sync with the placement of the heavenly bodies at that time of the year. And it was not only different in that way but also of increased intensity (maybe similar to the recent alignment of two planets) which prompted their travel into that direction.

Now, they would have to travel a great distance, even if it was on animals, so it's possible that at the first appearance of this special star they commenced their move. And in the providence of God, their arrival at baby Jesus' crib, an animal's feeding trough, coincided with His birth. But the question: how did these magi even know that this babe was to become "the King of the Jews"? We're not told this: it could have been a prophecy (as in Micah 5:2) that reached them, or some other belief in that part of the world expecting a ruler-ship to happen in Israel. But they immediately responded to that heavenly phenomenon.

Just my thoughts to guide you, but can't be verified from the Scriptures.

Was the star that led the wise men to Jesus ever an Old Testament prediction?

Comments by Alex about the Israel OF GOD, The Children of Promise as Jesus was refering to when he spoke of the H.G. saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is our new innerman the H.G. the ISRAEL OF GOD from the seed of Christ the living WORD . Romans 9 : 7 Not all Israel is Israel its the children of Promise that are counted for the good seed which are spirits the H.G. THE ISRAEL OF GOD that comes out of the loins of Christ , his seed , his breath etc .But he says the children of the flesh are not the children of God, its the children of Promise that are counted for the good seed which are spirits the H.G. plural the children of PROMISE that are gonna be as the Stars of Heaven which are the ISRAEL OF GOD OUR NEW INNERMAN, THAT NEW CREATURE THAT IS GONNA BE BORN IN US VIA THAT GOOD SEED the words of Christ. That new covenant, the contents of the book in the volume of the book it is written of me i delight to do thy will O GOD meaning the words of the book are living beings GODS to whom the word came it made them GODS and the scripture cannot be broken. As them that are born of God cannot sin and thats God will that we might not sin period be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect,The Israel of GOD are gonna be perfect which is the result of the New Covenant the blood of Christ. The seeds of the sower . The children of PROMISE but the main thing to remember is the children of the flesh are not the children of GOD . GOD has a more perfect people in mind which are his spirits the H.G. plural THE CHILDREN OF PROMISE. Whosoever receiveth one such child in MY NAME receiveth ME. A lil one shall become a 1000 and a small one a strong NATION I THE LORD WILL HASTEN IT IN ITS TIME THESE ARE THE ISRAEL OF GOD THAT ARE GONNA BE BORN IN US SINNERS. The children of the kingdom . Unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil child etc. Thats y the new birth is so important, there is a baby Christ in the seed of Jesus. The kingdom can only come via a birth gbu

Alex Comments about the WOMAN IN REVELATION 12, Her Child is the Israel of God which is the H.G. That was born by the seed of God ( the Word of God ).Remember Jesus said the good seed/Word are the Children of the Kingdom .YA gotta realize that Christ sows a heavenly seed which is the very LIVING WORD of God .Which is a much greater seed then Abrahams seed . Natural Israel . The seed of Christ is the Israel of GOD Which is her Child the living WORD of God thats how he will Rule ALL NATIONS HE IS GONNA BE BORN IN ALL of US VIA that good seed which is the seed of the sower . Thus her Child is the Child of PROMISE WHICH IS THE H.G. THE KINGDOM, that is gona rule all nations simply b/c he is gonna be born in the hearts of ALL MEN humanity, Remember Jesus said the field is the WORLD where that good seed will be sown,as God so loved the world, If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me. Thus the WOMAN IS THE WORLD THE BRIDE the CHURCH but her CHILD IS EMANUEL THE H.G. GOD WITH US. Our Kingdom, Remember Jesus said unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in NO WISE enter there in . The wedding was started 2 days,2000 yrs ago at Pentecost ,They were all intoxicated at Pentecost in the spirit but they ran out of that 1 st wine,Jesus has kept the best wine for last Which is the new covenant , CONTENTS OF THE BOOK, Mankind is gonna have a baby Christ, the Womans BABY WHICH IS SPIRIT THE H.G. Thats y he always called himself the Son of MAN. Unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given which is the results of the seed of the sower the Words of GOD , that NEW WINE, Ya gotta realize that the Kingdom nor true salvation comes till the woman gives birth . Revelation 12 v 10 . I HEARD A LOUD VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAYING NOW IS COME SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST ( the womans CHILD is our new birth,our new innerman ,our new heart and new spirit .THE KINGDOM OF GOD BORN IN US VIA THAT GOOD SEED THE LIVING WORD THE H.G. GBU.

Hal Lindsey ? Good grief ...

Sorry but no rapture , get real faith Jesus is coming watch and pray

Beware of false prophets!

Saying the end is near .

Wells without water ,clouds without rain