Revelation Chapter 18 Discussion Page 5

Rev 17 and 18

Mystery Babylon, appears to be the apostate church , that never really was true . Typified as a whore , yet she took the view she was a queen that would see no sorrow .

The true saints suffered martyrdom by her .

And when anti christ appears he destroys her . He claims to be God so he can have no rivals .

When anti christ comes it will be totally a different time and we now can see it starting to unfold . As false Christianity begins to falter .

Yet Jesus will build his church through all of this . Amazing !

Hi Jack. go to blue letter bible audio and video commentaries, scroll down to J. Vernon Mcgee, click on him then scroll down to Revelation then go to ch 18 all, hope that helps.

pretty scary!

Can you explain to me revelation chapter 18...please as a urgent request...

Hi Stephen, I didn't find your response till Jan8. When were you given the "choice"? Was it while you were dead or alive? I believe the dead have no choice and the living see no other. He saved me, he died for me, it was true at that instant I first saw, now and forever.

Irresistable grace is the work of quickening unbelivers to life, to recognize the truth/Jesus. Salvation is more than a rational decision of the human will. You can't say to God, "I chose you, therefore, you are obligated to save me." That's not by grace, and makes a substantial difference in the believers perspective on their salvation and behavior. Grace is never conditional, or would you suggest it is?

The confidence in what we believers have, is entirely a personal conviction. That is, while I might believe you do have it, only you know, and I will have to wait to see you in the hereafter.

I don't know how to converse with you more directly, but I wouldn't mind hearing from you on this again.

how can we break this down is it who,what,when,where,why and,how.

Hi Bill, you raised an interesting question the way you put it, I would like to comment, I think we are born dead in trespasses and sin, We have been given the law which is to show us we come up short of Gods requirement for salvation, Now the wages of sin is death, Jesus died on the cross and paid for the sins of the world for all who believe. We who believe was put in Christ and baptised in his death, and when he rose from the dead we were raised with him in newness of life, " Romans 6:3-4. That's why the scripture says we must be born again, "born from above" now we have been sent a savior, "Jesus Christ" now we are given a "choice" if we accept his redemptive blood or not, now i don't know if you call that free will or choice.

Only this week I discovered responses in my little used email account.

mishael, you answered my post, but not my question. That's evasion, but is it intentional? Free of what? Free of what? Free of what?

"People are given freewill." Really? Free of what? Anyone claiming we have a free will is saying we are free of sin and not dead in trespasses and sin, before being saved, so who needs Christ?

My people reffer to the house of Israel. calling them to wake up from the deep sleep they are into. Babylon has deceaved the whole world. I've already started to teach my people the true Gospel, not the one we've learned from the churches. Because these churches they all drunk with Her meaning Babylon the great, by preaching her doctrines.

Amen to that.

Well-said.

Falling away indeed , but still more to come . Society in general , wants no law and order , but are not wise enough to know the results of it .

Also God raises up spoilers for a reason as well . It's time to really be serious about God and his word . And thank God for his unchanging word too !

Are hope is when Christ comes again , the darkness that precedes it means it's coming closer . But many things need to come to

Pass yet and have not .

We are not appointed unto wrath . Jesus Christ is our Ark in the flood of trouble .

i believe the come out of her my people, is a call to the in general catholics who are still in the Catholic Church as more and more the Catholic Church is corrupted. The latest from the Pope is a call to recognize civil unions for Gay couples. Think of jewish teaching on homosexality and look at the current catholic teaching. One could do this on Many topics. This pope also has turned to the policy that WORKS is needed for salvation. Basically the Catholic church has now turned into a giant charitable organization. Salvation is a gift from a merciful GOD. Good luck to Catholics who adopt these heretical teachings. I do not think we have to wait long now to know exactly what GOD thinks about the last 50 years. The great falling away could only be missed by someone truly blind. That is no one paticular person but a huge part of the baby boomers on have had basically no religion,didn't say i was any better just pointing out the realities of today.

Thanks Adam I appreciate your answers to my question. I was pondering that question with Father God and I just was wondering if people felt the way I felt about it. I feel that Jesus is all everyone will ever need. Love! Thanks Brother and Lord Bless!

Hello Omar,

You are asking the right question. People searching for meaning outside of God often come up empty. It's not about wealth, that's why so many famous celebrities are unstable and have alcohol and drug addictions. The wisest man in the Bible who was a wealthy king wrote about this exact subject. It is worth reading: Ecclesiastes 2

I believe the meaning of life is love and relationships. Relationships with God, family, friends, neighbors. Life is a test and God is testing our character and if we want to seek and follow Him. The greatest commandment in the Bible is Mark 12:30-31. The Bible is full of wisdom on how to live our life- like an instruction manual for a good, meaningful life.

In addition, people who help others often feel a great sense of fulfillment. Volunteering, helping neighbors, pursuing the betterment of others. Not everyone says thank you. Only 10% came back to thank Jesus for healing him. But this is a way to build 'treasure' in heaven instead of pursuing empty pursuits of this world, in my opinion. Matthew 6:20

John 16:33, 2 Corinthians 4:17, 1 Corinthians 13:13. Link

God bless you...

there is more to life than...... just working , paying bills, staying on the computer so forth and so on ? I'd like to hear you alls comments please

With all the evil taking place in our country these past few months it's easy to see that people choose evil over good, while they justify their evil. Babylon sounds like a description of today's New York City. Sudden destruction will come within one hour. Ever wonder what an EMP bomb would do to our country? To New York City?

verse 2, And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, 'babylon The great' is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Note: in verse 2 the discovery on Babylon is over, and JEHOVAH /GOD begin to publicize some of the evidence found. GOD's evidence reveals her heart is overflowing with much wickedness, thereby she shall be destroyed according to THE WILL OF GOD.

verse 3, For all nations have drunk of 'the wine of the wrath' of her fornication

Note: all nations took part in her fornication, never-the-less GOD has put in place John 3:16-21, thereby we can rightly apply John 3:16-21 and similar verses and avoid the wrath that shall come.

To answer your question directly means I won't refer to the first & other previous occasions when the Apocryphal books were disputed. But to your question about the 1611 KJV, those books were present in that KJV version but removed later in AD 1885.

They were considered as not Divinely inspired writings, having questionable origins, authors & whose canonicity (i.e. Scriptures that are accepted as standard & worthy) was doubtful. For example, the following references speak of money also being able to help in sin's atonement: Sirach 3:30, Tobit 4:10; 12:9; 14:11 & 2 Macc 12:41-45 (included prayer for the dead & purgatory). This speaks of also being saved by works: 1 Macc 2:52. The dead are praying: Baruch 3:4. And many more.

The apostles of Christ nor Jesus, ever considered those writings as part of the body of Scripture though allusions to it were made a couple of times: e.g. 2 Tim 3:8 & Jude 14,15. Therefore, the Apocryphal books are not totally without Truth or useless, but they have sufficient spurious information that should make us cautious & particularly for someone unfamiliar with the Bible & its specific teachings on the accepted doctrines.

When was the 1611 KJV revised to remove the apocrypha? The hank you, your site is very easy to use and an excellent source for research.

Jesus speaks in Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (in Jesus time)

Who killed the prophets? ...O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets...

Revelation 18:24 and in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

24 and in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Note: Babylon The Great as a 'slayer' left a very long blood-trail that could easily be followed, and matter-of-fact her blood-trail PLUS her sins caused Heaven to ensure her evil actions was recorded for Jehovah /GOD use. see verse 5 and 24.

slay - to put to death violently.

Barry, thanks for your comment. Sorry, that's just the way I talk & write: trying to compress as much of my thoughts into a rich use of words & sentences & so avoid unnecessary circumlocution & verbosity. And it's for good, smart folk like you that I write, so that I might get some good insight & feedback on this important issue. And, by the way, I did see excerpts of that sad account of the young girl who suicided. Very sad indeed, yet we don't know her full story.

Earth spins around its axis, just as a top spins around its spindle. This spinning movement is called Earth's rotation.

At the same time that the Earth spins on its axis, it also orbits, or revolves around the Sun. This movement is called revolution.

As a street minister when I was younger, I bought McDonalds coupon booklets (for food) and gave them to old ladies or alcoholics who forget to eat food. I'd listen to their stories and tell them of a day when there would be no more sadness or tears; about a Savior who knows them personally.

Jesus said to us: when did you see Me, hungry and thirsty, sad and alone, in prison (real or in my mind), In need of clothing etc.

We can't help all of them, but I promise you the Holy Spirit will lead you to the right ones!

Also, it's possible to meet angels unaware out there too. I saw a man walking with bad feet and broke driving laws to circle back, pick him up and take him to get brand new shoes and socks. It was dark & raining. I didn't find him. I looked everywhere.

8 months later at the doctors office, I was telling the doctor about bad feet stories. His eyes were all big...he told me he picked that man up that night. He did surgery on his feet for free. Bought him good shoes and took him back to his neighborhood.

Stuff like that happens because Jesus knows everybody!

You can't go through life, being afraid to touch this, and not touch that! so many people are so afraid! so many so called christians are like, too afraid to , like, sit down or just sit next to a homeless person, because they might get a little dirty! baby, you can go on facebook or twitter, or what have you...doesn't mean you have to do what everybody else is doing. you need to drop the self-righteous-attitude ya got going there, and just to up your sleeves there....and prepare to get your hands dirty, or god cant use you my friend! ok!

Oh! i know! the bible says, or better yet god said..........question is god is talking, are ya listening? jesus savior said: he that has ears to hear, let him (her) hear!

Be sure to tell others outside your circle....like our lord & savior said: go into all the world and preach " the gospel" sometimes, that might mean sitting down with a bag lady whos sitting in a mcdonalds counting nickles and pennies just trying to get enough for a hamburger or maybe just a cup of coffee!

Hmmm! small mistake! what some sins? i don't think our father in heaven considers any sin a small mistake! when i hear s comment like that, i'm like i dont think so! all sin is an abomination to god! you, my friend, can cut it & slice it anyway you want to...bible says: the wrath of god is revealed from heaven agaiinst all the ungodliness of men, just look in the book of romans. the book of romans...sounds like god is not too haply with sin according to the apostle paul if you wanna get technical about it!

Hmmm! Why all the Big fancy words? Why not a more ELEMENTARY -EXPLANATION...Like just plain old simple English? Not that I don't understand, I'm a very smart person; but in my experience with people, you know, the average person...

They'd be like in the Dark right about now, with all the fancy words ya got going their and the others too! I'm Basically into STREET-MINISTRY...It's like the Apostle Paul said: I BECOME ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN, THAT I MIGHT WIN SOME! Sometimes you might have to sit in the mud Hole with pig and get Dirty too, if ya know what I mean Figuratively-Speaking, but doesn't mean you have to do what they do...in other words you don't have to eat the SLOP, right?