Matthew Chapter 24 Discussion Page 7

Lane newell... 1 Timothy 3:1-5 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2.A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3.Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4.One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5.(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

(A bishop is referring to elders who take on the role of teaching)

(A deacon is a service person, taking care of the physical things in the church so that the elders can concentrate on the spiritual teaching)

(A deaconess is the female version of a deacon)

Hi everyone ,just finished reading the book of Micah ,its fab ,chapter 7 is awesome ,ch7 v15 struck me ,this hasnt happened yet ,only in egypt when God brought Israel out ,so the verse refers to a future even ,its going to be awesome ! I hope to meet you all in person on that most awesome day ,it cant come soon enough . Love in Christ to you all .

The Matthew 13 text skips time stamps, like vs 26 & 27. It shifting between tribulation, great tribulation and the 2nd coming of Christ. What event in the last 20 years could have put us in tribulation?

Five covenants are crucial for understanding the story of the Bible and God's redemptive plan:

the Noahic Covenant

the Abrahamic Covenant

the Mosaic Covenant

the Davidic Covenant

the New Covenant.

R Mark 13's versus when referring to the tribulation in order of occurrence or does he jump around some.

Brother David, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

BELIEVE

Romans 8:3 For what the law COULD NOT DO, in that it was weak in the flesh, God sending his own Son, in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Christ; the Spirit of GOD was made in the likeness of US (sinful flesh); therefore, sinful flesh (US) was CRUCIFIED on the CROSS WITH CHRIST. Christ rose AGAIN; therefore, we also arose with him, now in LIKENESS OF CHRIST.

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man keep my saying, he shall NEVER SEE DEATH.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION .......

You DIED and now LIVE IN CHRIST AND CHRIST IN YOU; you will never die again, you will just CHANGE BODIES.

Hi David.

I don't think you have to believe in the rapture or no other eschatology event.

Just believe in that what's written to be true. Believe in the gospel and build a personal relationship with the Lord. Go to him in faith and he will answer all questions in his time.

And it don't matter what religion you come out of, We all have been saved from something. "mostly self". God is faithful and stay in his word.

James 1:5-6. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

God bless

Psalm 27:10

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

Romans 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Ephesians 1:5

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Sacha, 'Abba' means Daddy :)

After I left home, I gravitated to things I saw my Aunt do (occult). I wanted to know why I had so much trouble in relationships and I got into astrology. My Christian grandmother would write me love letters about Jesus. She died. Years later I was saved supernaturally. After my Dad died, I felt so adrift with pain of loss.

One night I had a dream. I saw Jesus's nailed to the cross on the ground. He looked into my eyes with so much love. I was angry because he had taken 2 people I loved so much. I picked up a rock and then I hit the nails in his hands. Every time I struck him, he would say, I Love You. I finally dropped the rock and fell over his chest and he held me. The dream ended.

I never felt abandoned again. I know I am loved perfectly, completely and forever.

You can have that too. There's a scripture about the spirit of adoption that will bless you. "When my father and mother abandon me; the Lord will take me up. He steps in to be the parent we don't have anymore. Your inheritance is in Jesus. Let go of your Dad. Let Jesus be your Daddy now. He is Lord of all. But he knows that we need a Dad in our daily lives: for a hug, counsel, direction, caution; ideas how to do things we can't manage.

He cares about us. You'll always have Him. You may drift sometimes, but He never turns away from us. Lean into Him and let Him heal your heart and memories.

He is as close, as we can accept.

You are His child now. I rejoice with you!

Dear Jose , my guess is that if Gods Holy Spirit is talking to you ,you will absolutely definately know about it ,i dont think there would be any doubt ,have you ever read in the Bible that any of the profits werent sure about who was talking to them ?

Hi Jose,

Seeing your question I can only give my own experiences. As I would say it is a bit personal.

So as I'm sure we all get goose bumps when we get cold. First the shiver then the feeling going out to your limbs creating the goose bumps.

First of all that was the only way I ever got "goose bumps" my whole life. After giving myself to the Lord and my life changing through amazing experiences. I know now when the Holy Spirit gets invigorated in me. First off is "when" I get this feeling in my body. Either if speaking to others about the Lord or Holy Bible, after prayer, while praising the Lord, casting out devils, etc, a tingling feeling flows throughout my body giving "goose bumps". Though it is not the natural because it is not from temperature or a "shiver". It comes when the Spirit is invigorated because of things that pertain to the Lord.

Again as this is kind of a personal thing and other people may have different experiences. Though seeing your question I just thought sharing my experiences with you may help you understand, or differentiate, the feelings of the Spirit of the Lord.

God Bless.

Mishael ,so you had a good teacher in your own dad ? Thats good ,my dad was a horror ! Some people that come on here might say that my dad was possessed by a demon but i think he was just a very nasty man ,i am convinced that Jesus intervined and saved me and my life from my dad more than once ,eventually he went to prison and my mum and i were able to escape from him , its very very easy for me to think of God as my Father as my own biological one wasnt a good one and he was out of my life by the time i was 7 years old ,i meant what i said Mishael ,you are a blessing for your children and they are most fortunate to have you ,i bet they love the bones of you as we say in england .

But will I be Rapture being raised Catholic baptized but change to Christen no longer a Catholic

Children are a blessing without end, if we raise them like God raises us up. I loved my Own Dad no matter what happened. He sat down with me every time and explained Why he had to correct me. I was never frightened of my Dad. I knew he loved me. He allowed me to push the boundaries but then pulled me back into the protection of the family circle. Does that make sense?

He showed us from the Bible that his corrections were Biblical. God expects parents to lead the children (not the opposite). We lead, as only we follow. Jesus calls to us, Follow Me.

Patience and purpose of the Lord, leads us through kid raising. I remember firm hugs, as many as I needed. There is power in a hug!

This year on Fathers Day, give your Dad a big hug. Thank him for being a leader. Hugs erase a multitude of mistakes.

I've been blessed all of my life. At age 5, God began showing me what He was like. What he liked, barely tolerated (lol), and how the world works: love, hate, apathy, good fellowship, being part of a church, community. He saved my life many times from death on a farm. I was into everything.

We can be as close to God as we desire. Talk to Him.

Mishael ,you sound like a lovely dad ,your children are blessed to have you .

Well Shelby, Mishael has given you some great advice about teaching kids life skills so that they might become careful & responsible adults whose lifestyle their kids would want to emulate.

However, I also detect in your question that maybe those kids (now adults) are refusing to work & depending on govt or parental handouts to see them through. Without bringing up whether they received proper parental teaching & witness, I'm guessing that for some reason, whether because of laziness, misunderstanding the nature of wholesome work, or inability to find work, they are now in this predicament.

I feel, that as a parent, you should (& can) still do whatever possible to set them on the correct path of thinking of & doing work. Whether it is having a good in-depth chat, taking them for further professional counselling, or even helping them find work (any work) to get them busy, valuing what has been ordained for us to pursue. 2 Thessalonians 3:10, "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." The Apostle Paul certainly believed that to have a roof over our heads & food in our stomachs, then work was imperative. And even though, as a parent, the obvious & compelling thing to do is to give them money rather than see them do without, everything possible should be done to get the right work ethic into those floundering without work or lazy, so that they can stand on their own feet with a sense of responsibility & contributing to society. Or else, as I have seen too often, this no-work ethos will just continue to perpetuate into future generations.

I'm weird I guess. I taught my 12 yr old son life skills 101 until he was 16. He learned full knowledge on how to run a household, cook real meals, yard work, maintenance on a car.

How to shop for a household, stretch your grocery money. How to never have to wear green underwear (laundry); sew on a button. He balanced my checkbook for me to learn budgeting, paid the bills and saw what was leftover :(

I let him work for roofing companies. Cleaning restaurants, grandpa's gas station. I told him it was to teach him the value of an education because low paying jobs are hard, sweaty and exhausting.

When he turned 21, he purchased his first house (a new one). He's 42 now; has 13+ houses he rents out and maintains. Works full time at a 9/5 job, has a family. He's amazing! He's teaching his son the same things.

You have to make a personal commitment to give a kid the best start in life. Schools and even Churches don't teach that. Parents have to do it.

He got some traffic tickets at 16. He knew I couldn't pay for them. I took him to the County Clerks office so he could pay them out. He learned to obey traffic laws, young.

I love being a parent. If we'd just obey God and not skip over the hard parts that are time consuming; we won't have to launch the kid. They'll launch themselves.

Let them work some summer jobs. Swimming pools don't teach them anything. Driving a car is big time maintenance and expense; they must learn. Cut off the fun money and they'll want to get a job. If they demand cool clothes and shoes; let them get part-time jobs.

You have to cease to be their source. They have to see their source is THEMSELVES.

My kid got to keep all his money and budget it. He was broke some months. He got the hang of it pretty quick. He got better paying jobs as he could.

I told him that no one can take your home or car, as long as you have a job to secure your freedom.

He always had a job

Mishael

Psalms 34:18 - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Psalms 147:3 - He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.

1 Peter 5:7 - Casting all your care upon him; for he cares for you.

Isaiah 61:1 - The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives (of sin), and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

John 14:27 - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Proverbs 3:5-6 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto your own understanding.

Psalms 73:26 - My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.

Psalms 51:17 - The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

2 Corinthians 12:9 - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Comment: God knows of our pain. Lay your sorrows at his feet. Give yours to Him (speak it), and receive His comfort, joy and healing. Never pick up what you've given to God. It's His now.

should parents continue to give money to children that will not work especially since they are now adults?

Will god every show himself to the broken hearted?

It has been a long day, and our Hope continues. God bless our walk together this day brother Chris.

Thank you for your love.

Thank you brother Carleton for sharing the pain you're carrying in your heart for your loved ones. This not only makes us realize the fraility of humanity but also shows the pain that our loving Heavenly Father also bears when He experiences mankind's rejection, who count His Spirit's pleadings & His Son's sacrifice of no consequence.

If we then bear this pain & shed tears for our loved ones, our Father's pain for the lost & suffering must be unfathomable to our minds. We can rest assured that as we pray, He hears, & He will perform that which is perfect in His perfect Time. I will remember your mother-in-law & your fallen brother in prayer, that God's ministry will not only be special & precious to them but that you, your wife & others, will be kept at peace with praise & hope only upon the One Who does all things well. May God's Light continue to beam its blessed rays through you, dear brother.

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And I realize that you have seen a lot of evidences of 'Christians doing whatever they like after being saved'. Clearly, this is not the Gospel & if that was preached to them, then the preacher will be held to account also. That's what we call, 'easy believism', when ultimately there is a mental assent without any real meaningful spiritual conviction & change. And this is difficult for another person to detect, as that type of 'Christian' can appear very Christian even mimicking the 'real deal'. The Scripture teaches & has always been the yearning of the apostles' hearts, that the readers of their epistles be warned of sin's damaging effects ( Romans 6:1-17) that any teaching or human belief that allows for sin & righteousness to cohabit together, is not of God & not what they were taught. And let's face it, we Christians do need regular reminders to stay on the path that leads to Heaven & not entertain sin that disrupts our holy relationship with the Godhead which could lead to painful discipline.

I apologize for the length of this response brother, but felt it necessary to lay out my belief, so you may know my understanding of the biblical Christian, that he is always in subjection to the Spirit's Word & Work, & his life both now & till the end, will bear testimony of the reality of that salvation experience he claims to have had.

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Another example: what is a policeman? Is he not one who wears the uniform & badge, carries a firearm & gets his salary accordingly? But does he have to also behave, act & make judgements as one also? Some might say, 'No', if he is recognized as one (uniform, badge, salary) he is a policeman. I say that his conduct & judgements are also included. If he behaves as a thief, a rapist or murderer, his uniform & badge are worthless & he has lost that position & privilege. In a somewhat similar fashion, I see the 'Christian'. It is not only his confession & profession of faith, but also his behaviour & the working of the Spirit in his life. If no evidence of the operation of the Spirit (conviction, pleadings, etc.), no spiritual life in him, spurious faith, an imposter.

As far as the word, "Christian" goes. The disciples may have been Christian, if meaning, 'a follower of Christ', but certainly not in meaning under the New Covenant, as a "Spirit-indwelt follower of Christ" because if one is not Spirit-indwelt, the word 'Christian' is a misnomer. And they only became Christians from the Day of Pentecost.

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An onlooker might see some of this 'Christian' behaviour & fruit, but he doesn't see all, because we have neither that power nor privilege to do so. We accept each 'Christian' based on his testimony, his life & the need to build each other in the faith. If he should fall, we are to pick up & restore him in the spirit of meekness ( Galatians 6:1). But if he persists in his folly without repentance, as in 1 Corinthians chap 5, he is to be rejected, handed over to the kingdom of darkness that his spirit might yet be saved in the Day of Christ. As also seen in 1 Corinthians 11:27-30.

So how does this then apply to your sad example of one who has given himself over to such sins? If he is/was a believer as you say, then there might still be hope that God is working in him - sometimes our fall is great so that our salvation might be greater. But if he has given his condition due thought, has no sense of conviction by the Spirit & may even have said that he rejects everything he has heard or believed, are we to assume that he is a fallen Christian or one that has never climbed out of the pit in the first place? Again, we cannot judge: we don't know man's heart & we don't know God's Work in that heart. One thing is certain, God makes no mistakes: those He saves, He saves to the uttermost ( Hebrews 7:25). If that person has fallen into the snare, God will speak & he will be retrieved. If he chooses the life of sin being apart from God & has no conviction, he was never a child of God without His Spirit in spite of any claims or apparent 'fruit', as the Spirit Who seals cannot abide in or tolerate such a life.

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Hi Adam. I agree with you in your definition of a Christian, & more: conviction of sin, repentance, re-birth, Spirit baptism & indwelling, fruit/gifts of the Spirit received, earnest desire to live for God & not for oneself & the World, hates sin & struggles against temptation & sin, has his citizenship in Heaven, longs to talk to his Heavenly Father & also to hear from Him, & ultimately will persevere in this life of burden, cares & suffering, being triumphant in the battle against Satan.

One might say that I've added more to its meaning, as shown in Romans 10:9, making the definition too restrictive. But the Roman's formula (confess + believe = salvation) is the essence, but the Christians' desire to hate sin, to live for God, to worship this Saviour God, to persevere, etc., are responses of the Holy Spirit indwelling. This must be the case, for that is the very Work of the Spirit, to form Christ in us ( Galatians 4:19) which is not always an immediate but an ongoing work in a believers' life. That's why I like Jesus' simple parable of the Sower ( Matthew 13:3-23); even though it speaks of the reception of God's Word to the hearer, Jesus is questioning how people would respond when the Living Word of God standing before them would receive & respond to Him. A proper response to that Word, its planting, germination, growth, fruitfulness & abiding until the time of physical deterioration & death, is the definition of one in whom God's Word & Seed of Salvation has truly done its blessed work.

Colossians Chapter 3

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now ye also put off all these; ANGER, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the OLD man with his deeds;

Ephesians Chapter 4

24 And that ye put on the NEW man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

27 Neither give place to the devil.

Mishael Comment: This generation of people are very angry and do not pull back on those reins to stop it. We are to produce the FRUIT of the Holy Spirit. The evidence of Jesus's life being lived through us.

Galatians 5:22

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Ephesians 5:9

(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Romans 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew Chapter 12

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall NOT be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Selah. (Pause and think on these things)

If you survive the hours long literal extermination of 1/3rd world population, the dead will be the lucky. If you survive 3.5+ years of satan's hell on earth, then you will be taken up when the last angel sounds.

It is a lie to refer to people having a Human Spirit. Born to flesh with the Spirit of Death, Lucifer, which is totally "Crossed" out by the "Cross" and replaced with the Spirit of Eternal Life,Christ. The dead and buried with a Soul without a body that must Receive by its own words Christ. Say it, "I am convicted, empty, and need a Savior. This dead body is given the greatest of Gifts. Eternal Life through Christ! Born Again, The Soul now has a Body to express this individuality.

Another break! My wife's folks live a couple thousand miles away so her brother is helping make decisions on what's next for mom and dad. Currently they are in their home. Meanwhile my wife dropped of our youngest (the youngest grandchild) at the country Christian school and is now driving further west and north to see our fallen brother's wife. I hope and pray that she can comfort this young man's wife with the love that is shed from above. We all have broken hearts right now and are looking to Jesus for His understanding in us regarding this family. Christian life is for real and is to the finish.

Keep the faith!

:)