When Jesus was asking the Samaritian Woman at the well for drink he said whosoever drinks of this water shall thirst again ( salvation by water baptism only ) but the water that i shall give him shall be a well of water springing up unto everlasting life which is H.G. BAPTISM The GIFT OF God That Child of PROMISE God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in spirit and Truth ( the Gift of the H.G. ) This speak he of the Spirit for the H.G was NOT yet given b/c that Jesus was not yet Glorified. Thats y John said i have need to be baptised of you. He must increase but i must decrease.....Water BAPTISM HAD TO DECREASE BUT H.G BAPTISM WILL INCREASE As God is gonna pour out his spirit on ALL flesh . If I be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me . In ADAM we ALL die but in Christ that 2 nd Adam we will ALL LIVE. He is gonna KNOW everbody thats y Isaiah is saying Knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas,....THIS KNOWLEDGE IS GONA RESULT IN an intimacy a BIRTH OF CHRIST IN EVERYBODY. As the new covenant is a birthing covenant. Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the whole world as God so loved the world. It want be long and you will see bumber stickers saying i am with Child of the H.G. (AFTER THE BOOK IS OPENED. GBU. Jeremiah saw the whole world in travail and and birth pains, Fact 27 times in the O.T. THE PROPHETS SAW THE WORLD IN TRAVAIL AND BIRTH PAINS. Thats y he always refered to himself as the SON OF MAN. Which is mankinds fruit unto God a baby CHRIST. ROMANS 7 : 4 KJV
Sorry, I meant Alex, now that I refer back to the post. But I do see both you and Earl do allegorize often. I will read what people write who do this but personally, I do not agree that this type of interpretation is to be applied as broadly as I have seen in your posts. I believe that it can easily lead to all kinds of error. The Epistle writers termed in twisting of Scripture.
Sorry, don't mean to be oppositional, just voicing my concern, especially that there is a large group of people reading on here who may not post their ideas and perhaps being very new to faith. I am concerned for them.
That said, we are all free on this site to express our viewpoints regardless of whether anyone agrees or not. It just should be noted that anything said on this site is opinion or speculation, not inspired by God as the Scriptures are, so we need to have discerning minds and hearts like the Bereans.
My prayer is to give an honest reply or statement based on what I know from Scripture and have been taught over the years from various pastors, etc. whom I have queried about scriptural matters. I always want to be a humble student, eager to learn the Word and those He has placed in my way to teach me.
As we fellowship we come together to grow in all areas of the faith, At the moment we may not be able to agree on all things, But some day we will. But that doesn't mean we should yield to false doctrine or false teachers. In fact Revelation ch 2 and 3 we're being judged for suffering these false teachings to creep in.
Revelation 2:20. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou "SUFFERETH" that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Revelation 2:14. But I have a few things against thee, BECAUSE THOU HAST THERE ( THEM ) that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Have you noticed The Lord is not condemning them for holding the doctrine of Balaam, He's condemning them for having those there that do!! And like so with jezebel.
Have you noticed when we're liberal we get alone with everyone and they get alone with us. But when truth and the straight and narrow way is presented then there comes the train wreck! You will see hate without a cause!!
Some blend in quite well, Some loose all self control and attack even the newcomers.
A believer that has been spiritualy born should bare fruit!! And the Spirit should CAUSE those who are in Christ to Love one another. Not join themselves to everyone who comes on the site and attack the faith! Agape/ Love for the brothern is something the flesh cannot do, .
Why is there so much fuss about doctrine but no fuss at all what sincere milk should cause you to do?
1 John 4:21. And this commandment have we from him, THAT HE WHO LOVETH GOD LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.
Have you noticed it doesn't say "SHOULD" Love his brother!! It's saying that Love given to Love God is "CAUSING" you to Love your brother also!!
Spence Thank you and I agree with you. Love is to be our aim in everything. That is why we discuss doctrine, (which I see as teachings of the apostles) in order that we can grow into the full measure of Christ (which would only include true doctrine lived out in love and right actions). Jude 3 says that we are to contend earnestly for the faith that was once an for all delivered to the saints. So, to do this, one needs to know the faith (teachings of the apostle) that was delivered to the churches during their lifetimes and preserved and taught by the bishops (pastors, overseers, leaders) the apostles appointed in the churches they planted. It is worth studying and defending in forums like this and elsewhere, not to be divisive or argumentative, but to present what one knows is correct teaching when ideas come up that do not conform to the teachings of the historic early Christian faith. We do not know everything that was taught in this time period, as not everything taught was preserved for us to refer to, but we do have enough to be able to speak about primary and essential concepts that are important for believers to know and not compromise on.
I am not saying that I have all of the answers, but I do go back and read what I can on topics from this time period so I can represent what was written for those times and for ours, as well. I firmly believe that the Lord will preserve His church through out time. I cannot tolerate any new revelations or interpretations that add to Scripture or contradicts it or do damage to the plain interpretation of Scriptures. When we get to heaven, we will all know in full, but Jude's warning tells us that it is important to address wat seems "off" on this site, as there are so many who read it. So, those of us who can and are willing will and should "wrestle" with each other at times in order for both to come to a better and clearer understanding of what God is communicating in His Word, always framing every conversation lovingly
Earl, I don't recall every reading in the Scripture that the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit replaced water baptism. I think that allegorizing Scripture as you do leads to interpretations that may or may not be true. That is way I stick to the plain text meaning of Scripture in the context of the passage. If your opinion is true, then Paul, Peter, James, John, and Jude would have plainly taught what you stated.
Hiya Bro. EARL Sorry for such a late reply. But i love ya . Keep up the good work. Remember Our God is a Consuming fire. Malachi 3 : 1 kjv Who shall abide the day of his coming ( THE 2 ND COMING ) For he shall be as a refiners fire and fullers soap, like you said he will destroy us ( anything not of faith ) and make us clean with the good seed the living word the contents of the Book. As our God is a consuming fire ( baptism of the H.G. and fire )
Remember Jesus said he came to bring FIRE on the earth and thats what we ALL need , His baptism of fire and the H.G. Judgement. And Jeremiah 1 speaks of a Man Child which is the Child of Promise the H.G. that is gonna judge this whole world ( his battle Ax ) And destroy Nations and Kingdoms . Jesus said when he the spirit of truth is come he will Reprove the world of sin and judgement and righteousness. His Kingdom is soon coming ; In the volume of the BOOK it is written of Me i delight to do thy will O God , After the woman births the Child it said Now is come salvation and the KiNGDOM OF OUR GOD ETC . REV : 12 : 10 KJV... And Gods will has been done simply b/c the Kingdom has come with the Birth of the Child which is the Child of Promise the H.G. The multiplcation of Christ in humanity. That great Promise.
Jeremiah himself neva did destroy Kingdoms and nations, It was just Prophetic that the manchild which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE, The spirit of truth is gonna destroy everthing not of faith . The horse and his rider , the young man and the maid , the farmer and his yoke of oxen etc etc.
Sorry, don't mean to be oppositional, just voicing my concern, especially that there is a large group of people reading on here who may not post their ideas and perhaps being very new to faith. I am concerned for them.
That said, we are all free on this site to express our viewpoints regardless of whether anyone agrees or not. It just should be noted that anything said on this site is opinion or speculation, not inspired by God as the Scriptures are, so we need to have discerning minds and hearts like the Bereans.
God bless you always.
God bless.
My prayer is to give an honest reply or statement based on what I know from Scripture and have been taught over the years from various pastors, etc. whom I have queried about scriptural matters. I always want to be a humble student, eager to learn the Word and those He has placed in my way to teach me.
As we fellowship we come together to grow in all areas of the faith, At the moment we may not be able to agree on all things, But some day we will. But that doesn't mean we should yield to false doctrine or false teachers. In fact Revelation ch 2 and 3 we're being judged for suffering these false teachings to creep in.
Revelation 2:20. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou "SUFFERETH" that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Revelation 2:14. But I have a few things against thee, BECAUSE THOU HAST THERE ( THEM ) that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Have you noticed The Lord is not condemning them for holding the doctrine of Balaam, He's condemning them for having those there that do!! And like so with jezebel.
Have you noticed when we're liberal we get alone with everyone and they get alone with us. But when truth and the straight and narrow way is presented then there comes the train wreck! You will see hate without a cause!!
Some blend in quite well, Some loose all self control and attack even the newcomers.
A believer that has been spiritualy born should bare fruit!! And the Spirit should CAUSE those who are in Christ to Love one another. Not join themselves to everyone who comes on the site and attack the faith! Agape/ Love for the brothern is something the flesh cannot do, .
Why is there so much fuss about doctrine but no fuss at all what sincere milk should cause you to do?
1 John 4:21. And this commandment have we from him, THAT HE WHO LOVETH GOD LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.
Have you noticed it doesn't say "SHOULD" Love his brother!! It's saying that Love given to Love God is "CAUSING" you to Love your brother also!!
GOD BLESS.
I am not saying that I have all of the answers, but I do go back and read what I can on topics from this time period so I can represent what was written for those times and for ours, as well. I firmly believe that the Lord will preserve His church through out time. I cannot tolerate any new revelations or interpretations that add to Scripture or contradicts it or do damage to the plain interpretation of Scriptures. When we get to heaven, we will all know in full, but Jude's warning tells us that it is important to address wat seems "off" on this site, as there are so many who read it. So, those of us who can and are willing will and should "wrestle" with each other at times in order for both to come to a better and clearer understanding of what God is communicating in His Word, always framing every conversation lovingly
Ephesians 4:5 ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism,
Is it water baptism, or Spirit baptism.
Water baptism is just the shadow of the TRUE BAPTISM.
One makes you wet, the other makes you clean.
Remember Jesus said he came to bring FIRE on the earth and thats what we ALL need , His baptism of fire and the H.G. Judgement. And Jeremiah 1 speaks of a Man Child which is the Child of Promise the H.G. that is gonna judge this whole world ( his battle Ax ) And destroy Nations and Kingdoms . Jesus said when he the spirit of truth is come he will Reprove the world of sin and judgement and righteousness. His Kingdom is soon coming ; In the volume of the BOOK it is written of Me i delight to do thy will O God , After the woman births the Child it said Now is come salvation and the KiNGDOM OF OUR GOD ETC . REV : 12 : 10 KJV... And Gods will has been done simply b/c the Kingdom has come with the Birth of the Child which is the Child of Promise the H.G. The multiplcation of Christ in humanity. That great Promise.
Jeremiah himself neva did destroy Kingdoms and nations, It was just Prophetic that the manchild which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE, The spirit of truth is gonna destroy everthing not of faith . The horse and his rider , the young man and the maid , the farmer and his yoke of oxen etc etc.
He came to bring FIRE on the earth.
My WORDS are SPIRIT and LIFE; therefore, if we have life by Spirit, the FIRE; also, is Spirit.
May Spirit grace us with eyes to SEE: eyes of flesh can not see words of Spirit.
and people watched the display of the power of spirit with there eyes. This is because Gods spoken words deliver his
His Life giving power to those who believe.
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