Bible Discussion Thread

Chris The context of the down fall of Saul started in when in Chapter 15:1-15 He disobeyed Samuel the man of Gods orders and lied to the man of God and spared Agag, then verse 26-29 Saul lost the kingdom and no longer walked with God. From that point on God did not communicate with Saul and in the process david was made the new King and saul was so checked out that he tried to kill David several times. Then in Chapter 28: starting at verse 6 Saul inquired of the lord the lord answered Him not neither by dreams nor by urim nor by prophets so the true God was not talking to Saul then in fear and desperation he goes to a witch and those in the old testament were supposed to be put to death. So the adversary controlling the witch produces a spirit that looks like Samuel says two things that were true that God already spoke that Saul lost the kingdom and was given to David because Saul disobeyed the voice of the lord and since the adversary knew that Saul didn't have Gods protection he knew that he was going to lose the battle and His life. The other thing that Saul did was break bread with the witch unbelievable act of disobedience to the true God. Keep in mind Sauls head was way out there with absolute fear and confusion and doubt. Remember the wages of sin is death. The spirit produced by the enemy was in ectoplasm form.

Do you think the final decision was when Saul killed the priests of the LORD & their children, cattle, wives? Psalm 105:14-15

1 Samuel 22:12-23 or the hypocrisy in not obeying GOD to kill the enemy's cattle, & leaving the enemy king alive yet not sparing GOD's priests? 1 Samuel 15:18-35 Was Sauls fear of losing his power greater than his fear of GOD?

Hi T. Lewis What made it bad is he not only didn't do what the man of God told Him but he lied to the man of god and blamed the people that he ruled over and made sacrifice to God for show which didn't mean anything because he didn't mean it in his heart. Then he's so spiritually checked out that later he tries to Kill Gods next man David. Eventually his own pride and fear produced his demise which was death.

Hi T. Lewis Sauls error was out of a heart issue of pride which goeth before a fall read 1 Samuel 15:9-26 first he blamed the people that he ruled over then lies to the man of God Samuel then sacrifices to God for show which is worse the end result is disobedience or rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft up until that time God was with him after that the true God was not talking to him at all. He became sick in the head and full of fear to the point of trying to kill the next appointed King David. Spiritually he was done.

Brother David, thank you. I agree with all you've shared, & given this discussion in another (much too lengthy) thread, brother Earl has pointed out a good example from 1 Kings chapter 22, that a "lying spirit" was permitted by God to go forth & compel those four hundred prophets to bring forth a false prophecy (i.e. for Ahab to go to battle).

So, I'm at the point of wondering whether this lying spirit came from a volunteer (v21) from God's Presence, or from an evil spirit? And of course, the implications of all of that & whether that spirit (good or evil) took on Samuel's form. Some who may be following these threads might wonder as to the amount of time we are spending on this, but I find that we do learn more of the Operation of God in matters that could well occur today, & whether what we might consider an evil act, is actually the performance of God's Will to accomplish His Purposes. But would God use the services of a devil, is a moot question.

Chris In reality that's far from moot but I am moving on God Bless.

Chris I was only explaining for clarification so for all those observing movin on God Bless.

Every blessing to you brethren David & Rick - thank you again for your contributions.