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  • Darren Croft on Genesis 1 - 4 years ago
    -What did God mean when He said He would punish both houses of Israel (house of Israel & house of Judah) 7 times if they did not obey? Leviticus 26:18 "And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins." What does that prophesy have to do with a split Israel?

    -What was the blessings Jacob laid upon the sons of Joseph in Gen 48?

    -What nations did Ephraim & Manasseh & Judah become?

    -Who are the birthright people?

    -When did the house of Israel go into captivity?

    -When did the house of Judah go into captivity?

    Knowing the answers will reveal who these people are today.

    It's enlightening to see prophesy unfold, and know it.
  • SkipVought - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 4 years ago
    This is interesting. In 606BC the Jewish nation lost it's independence and never regained it until May 14, 1948.

    Ezekiel prophesied 430 days or years against Jerusalem. Jerusalem fell in 587BC and was never occupied again as a free nation until June 7, 1967.

    The difference is 6963 days, very close to the difference between 606 & 587BC!

    Taking Ezekiel's 430 days of years and subtracting the 70 served in Babylon, leaves 360 years. Because of their stubbornness (actually 4 times in Lev 26:18, 21, 23-24, 27-28) their punishment is 7 times as much. At 360 days per prophetic year:

    360 years x 7 x 360 days per year = 907,200 days.

    Using the keisan cassio calculator:

    subtracting 907,200 days from May 14, 1948 = July 21, 537BC.

    subtract 70 prophetic years, 25,200 days = July 24, 606BC, when the captivity began.

    "And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?" Luk 21:7

    "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." Luk 21:24

    "And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled." Luk 21:29-32

    Pretty soon, I'd say.
  • Darren Croft - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 4 years ago
    God bless you Skip. Your work is excellent, unexpected and means a lot to me, thank you. Let me give you my brief run down to round things off:

    -The house of Israel was taken into Assyrian captivity 721 BC (-2520 years) = 1800, at the height of the British empire = Ephraim, who Jacob said would come 1st. His older brother Manasseh (America) came out of Ephraim as God promised. These 2 boys, US/UK, are the lead tribes from the house of Israel, the birthright people from Gen 48. They became "a nation and a company of nations" (UK), and a single "Great nation" (US).

    -The house of Judah was taken into Babylonian captivity 604 BC (-2520 years) = 1917, on the EXACT day and hour the Balfour declaration was signed, 11/2/1917!!! How is that for prophesy unfolding?

    There is a book called "United States and Great Britain in Prophesy" by Herbert Armstrong. It was the single most fascinating book I've read that uses the Bible to define itself. That's how I became interested in the prophets.
  • SkipVought - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 4 years ago
    Darren,

    I used to listened to HWA on The World Tomorrow occasionally as a boy. Interesting. Just didn't square with The Bible.

    Interestingly, Jews have maintained their identity over the millennia. There were Jews hearing Peter's sermon from all over the world

    "Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." Act 2:9-11

    These were very probably Jews who never returned after the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities. Some of those, perhaps most, took The Gospel back to their homes as New Covenant believers.

    Jews are back in Israel, but not in belief. There's little doubt that God has His hand of protection on this little foothold that will, when they turn to God, stretch from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

    "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Jer 31:33-34

    This is not Britain and the US.

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  • Darren Croft - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 4 years ago
    That's what I thought.

    7 x 360 = 2520

    Oh, why bother...



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