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Hello Jesse,

Thank you for that very kind, personal , and accurate reply. May the Lord Bless you while we complete our journey, for our Father, abiding in these mortal bodies. Peace be upon you!!

Richard,

I read your post and I just want to say Amen! And thank you for using 1 Corinthians 14:22. I believe that to be the only verse in the bible that specifically tells us what tongues are for. And I also believe that the only place we see its proper use is in Acts Chapter 2.

They spoke in languages (Tongues) unknown to them but known by those who were hearing them speak. Those "tongues" were actual known languages. They had no clue what they were saying. But the ones who heard them understood. What a beautiful picture of God's Spirit in action. Those who heard them speak in tongues knew that they had no way of knowing their native languages, adding more power to what they were hearing had to be from God.

I personally have never spoken in tongues. But if I ever do, I hope it is the same as those in Acts Chapter 2, God's power working through me to witness the gospel message to someone in their language, perfectly, a language I do not know. And like you, I know I have God's Spirit living inside of me. And by knowing that, I find comfort in knowing that I lack nothing.

And when we talk about "gifts," I believe the only gift we are promised is the gift of the Holy Spirit. I believe that is the only gift we are all given. Everything else is just an expression of God's Spirit and His grace!

God Bless!!!

Salvation (part 4)

John also states in John 10:27-29, "My sheep hear my voice and I know them; and they follow me. And I give to them eternal life; and they will never perish forever and not anyone will seize them from out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to seize them from out of the hand of my Father."

Jude states in his doxology in verse 24, "But to the one being able to keep you without stumbling and to set you before His glory blameless in exultation."

Paul in his writings emphasized the keeping power of God's Spirit in Ephesians 1:13-14: "In whom also after having heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, after having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance, for redemption of the possession, for the praise of His glory."

He states again in Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Probably one of the most powerful Scriptures of God's keeping power is Romans 8:38-39: "For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor powers, nor any thing which has come, nor things coming, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

The only way a person can be saved is by a spiritual birth from God; and the only way a person can keep his salvation is through the keeping power of God.

Many scriptures were written to show believers that some among them, who professed to be Christians, were actually not saved. John wrote I John so those who were saved would know that they have eternal life ( 1 John 5:13). In this letter, he listed many evidences, so that salvation could be proven among genuine believers.

Salvation (part 2)

In the early Church, the requirement for salvation was the presence of God's Spirit dwelling within a person. Paul instructed, in Romans 8:9, "Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this one is not of Him." In Romans 8:14, he wrote, "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God."

And again, in Romans 8:16, he instructs that "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are children of God." Also, in 2 Corinthians 13:5, Paul challenged the church at Corinth: "Examine yourselves, if you are in the faith; prove your own selves, or do you not know your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you, except you are reprobates?"

John, writing in 1 John 3:24 supported this same understanding: "And in this we know that He abides in us, from the Spirit whom He has given to us."

He repeats this same truth, although worded somewhat differently, in 1 John 4:13, "In this we know that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He has given to us of His Spirit."

From the preceding scriptures, we see that salvation happens only when God's Spirit enters and remains in a person's spirit, thereby causing spiritual birth. Nothing in the Bible teaches that salvation is accomplished by the repetition of the Sinner's Prayer or through the performance of any other kind of human formula.

In addition to teaching that God is the sole source of salvation, the Bible also teaches that every saved person is kept by the power of God. Peter writes, in 1 Peter 1:5, that believers are, "The ones who are being kept in the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Paul writes on the same subject, in Galatians 5:17, "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are opposing to one another; in order that you should not do what you want."

Jesus said father if thou WILL let this cup pass from me, not my will but thy will be done.

I think I understand you but Jesus prayed not my will but thine be done.

Then why is Cain's genealogy different than Adam's, and in John 8:44 Christ, speaking to the scribes and Pharisees, "Ye are of your father the devil.... he was a murderer from the beginning...."?

Cain, in God's Word, is the first murderer, in His Word.

Actually Cain is the son of Adam because Adam and Eve was the first man and woman ever to be created by God and because of their disobedience Cain and Abel his brother come into existence to know more about it reading the book of Genesis from the beginning will tell you everything

God said in his word ask and it shall be given you knock and the door shall be open seek and you shall find.If a evil man know how to give good gifts to his son well when you ask the Lord Jesus for something he will give it to you all you have to do is to obey the Lord and live by his word and anything you asked of him he will bless you with. And remember now we are children of the king our King is king of all Kings and Lord of all Lords and there is nothing impossible for him to do and also don't forget before we was formed in our mother's wom he knew us and before we was borned he laid the foundation down for us so he wants us to ask him for whatever we need but also don't forget Deuteronomy chapter 28 verse 1 tells us if we obey God and do as he command automatically we are blessed in everything we do but also God want us to pray and ask him for whatever we need but our prayer must be very sincere and remember now we can't fool God so if you are very sincere with your prey and you obey his word yes the Lord Jesus will give you what ever you ask of him.

If someone used the sinners prayer to be saved, I'd like to hear your testimony?

It pays to read all of the Geneology scriptures. If it's recorded, that is the final answer.

If your Bible has center of the page references to other relevant scriptures, I read all of those too. Those open up the total picture of Bible people.

There's hundreds of Geneology charts on Google you can look at. Pick the ones that agree with scripture. Prove validity always.

Mishael

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD." Gen 4:1

Ms T,

Succoth appears to be given to the tribe of Gad.

"And Moses gave inheritance unto the tribe of GAD, even unto the children of GAD according to their families. And their coast was Jazer, and all the cities of Gilead, and half the land of the children of Ammon, unto Aroer that is before Rabbah; And from Heshbon unto Ramathmizpeh, and Betonim; and from Mahanaim unto the border of Debir; And in the valley, Betharam, and Bethnimrah, and SUCCOTH, and Zaphon, the rest of the kingdom of Sihon king of Heshbon, Jordan and his border, even unto the edge of the sea of Chinnereth on the other side Jordan eastward. This is the inheritance of the children of GAD after their families, the cities, and their villages." Jos 13:24-28

Romans 8:34

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the RIGHT HAND OF GOD, who also maketh intercession for us.

Romans 8:27

And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Folks, this is the Godhead. Jesus did not let Mary Magdalene touch him, because he had not yet ascended to heaven to assume the position of High Priest.

He is in heaven where the 2 scriptures say what He is doing. When this age closes, the Father will tell the Bridegroom to go get His Bride.

The Holy Spirit is on earth now performing His ministry. Jesus went to the Cross to give believers the Holy Spirit who indwells each believer with the spirit of Christ.

He comforts, teaches, baptizes, SPEAKS, strives with sinners, creates, renews, convicts, anoints, guides, empowers, sanctifies, gives gifts, illuminates, reveals, truth of God, and much more.

After the catching up of the Church, His ministry will be diminished.

I would say I have a close relationship with Him. I pray, talk with, worship Jesus, read huge chunks of the Bible daily, sit still until He teaches me what I just read, He sharpens my spiritual discernment, corrects me often. I cannot express the inner JOY it is to covet being in His presence! He speaks to me at home, in the car, taking a walk. He gives words of knowledge and words of wisdom.

why?? Because He knows I am smitten with Jesus, and the Father that Jesus wants us to know. I'm going to do or say whatever he tells me.

My most favorite time is in silence, listening intently for Him. I sing-He sings. One time he sang, "I walk the Line" by Johnny Cash!

Get to know Him! He's a real Person who happens to be invisible to our eyes; but visible in the spirit; to hearts and to our spirit inside, ears. Be as close as you desire. Read 10 virgins story. The OIL is the Holy Spirits JOY.

The Godhead Scriptures on Romans 8:9

Write these on the inside cover of your Bible. It comes up a lot.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

God is Spirit

The Holy Spirit is spirit

Jesus said he's the Son of Man: all God and all human.

In these verses, the Godhead is speaking to each other.

Write these on the inside cover of your Bible. It comes up a lot.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

God is Spirit

The Holy Spirit is spirit

Jesus said he's the Son of Man: all God and all human

John 3:5-7 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." Notice that Except a man be born of water; is talking about hat which is born of the flesh is flesh; born of water is the water birth when you were born in the flesh. not water baptism, baptism is not mentioned.

Exodus 8:15 "But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said."

Who, does the Bible say should be baptized? Not to the Gentiles, although most gentiles get baptised.

Hi Laylee,

To me, the better question is why wouldn't you want to be baptized? If the Bible says to do something, shouldn't the normal response for a Christian be to follow it? In the event someone is looking to do the least as possible in order to just barely make the cut to go to heaven, is that a wise strategy and what if it backfires? These are the types of questions I would ask instead. God bless...

why did god make pharaoh heart stubborn when he tried to delieve the people out of egypt

do you have to be baptized? John 3 talks about being born again with baptism of water and with the Holy Spirit.

I heard a preacher say, "we will never be mature until we die and get our new bodies" I tend to agree! All I can do is keep pressing toward the mark.

The Psalms is divided into five books:

Book 1: Psalms 1-41

Book 2: Psalms 42-72

Book 3: Psalms 73-89

Book 4: Psalms 90-106

Book 5: Psalms 107-150

It appears that each of these five books ends with a doxology or a praise, either "Praise the Lord!" or "Amen."

Thank you for your wishes, Steven. I'll still be around reading all the comments - just may not be able to contribute to new enquiries. But there are good men on here, including yourself, giving great thoughts & answers. Every blessing.

Enjoy your vacation Chris. We're going to mis your teaching while you are away. God bless you.

Why is Psalm 107 called Book V ? And are there any books within the book of Psalms?

How old was Saul when he became King

Brother Richard, Thank you for those verses. So it appears that those with the Gift of Tongues can choose to pray using that Gift (i.e. pray in an unlearned language) or can pray in a known language. But if he wanted to pray specifically about some situation, he would need to use a known language or else he won't know what he is asking (unless he has it interpreted).

So my eventual question to brother Michael would have been: can a person, baptised & filled with the Spirit, still pray in a known language seeing that when he prays he must needs use that Gift of praying in Tongues? Or, another way of putting it: would he no longer be praying in the Spirit if he chose to use a known/learned language? And if this is the case, then how could those who only pray in a known language (like you & me), be accused of not praying in the Spirit?

Maybe, it all boils down to whether a believer falls into that 'group' of people who spoke in Tongues when they first believed rather than a question of what language is used in prayer. I never seem to learn how all this works with those who not only have this Gift but insist that all believers must also have it. It seems the Word says one thing but a large body of believers interpret the matter differently.

Just to let you know, I'm away on holidays presently for three weeks, so will be contributing very little, if at all, on this Site. Every blessing.

My good brother Chris,

As I was reading today and came across these verses I thought of you and about understanding our prayers to the Lord.

( 1 Corinthians 14:14-15

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Hope all is well. God Bless.

Thanks Skip and S Spencer for your efforts on my behalf ,i did know that v was the 6th letter because of psalm 119 but my friend was saying something about v and w being interchangable but i didnt quite get what he was saying ,thanks anyway ,i appreciate you both .