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That's a great point & Scripture ( Acts 9:5) brother S. Spencer & thanks for it. That is indeed a very telling encounter that Saul had. He asked, Who art thou, Lord? Saul was confused. He didn't refer to that Voice as God nor any other divine being, but used 'Kyrie', a title given in this instance, of 'respect or reverence to someone of distinction'. So, we see Saul, on his way to massacre these Christians & probably fuming through his teeth all through his journey there, suddenly falling to his knees in respect, hearing this voice from above calling him by name and asking why he was being persecuted. We can hardly imagine the thoughts & conflicts that Saul must have been going through. Not the least of which, 'there is only one God in Heaven, so who is this speaking?'

And so the blinders on Saul fell off & his heart was made pliable. How? By hearing the Word of God & having a life-changing experience with the God He actually despised, by rejecting His Son. And so we can understand Paul's yearning in anguished prayer, "my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved." ( Romans 10:1-3). He longed for his people to have what he had received directly from the Risen Christ. And so it must be for all who would turn to Jesus for salvation: the Word must cut deep into their hearts & a mighty revelation received, that makes sin absolutely detestable & the Love of God & His Salvation absolutely craved for & treasured. Every blessing brother & thank you for your posts - always read & well received.

I thank my Savior for showing great restraint, patience, and love for me, as I rejected HIS claims and title to my life as this chapter shows of the elders, officers, and people did. But of HIS love of HIS FATHER in heaven; and HIS desire for all to be saved - HE endured the ridicule, rejection, and humiliation and went obediently to complete the plan of SALVATION by dying on the cross, being buried, and raised on third day as written. I and any one who believes and trust in the gospel will be saved. Romans 10:9-12; Acts 4:12

Thank YOU LORD JESUS for YOUR gift to the world. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to every one on this forum.

Numbers 6:26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

December 20, 2023

Coming to Christ.

I had an interesting discussion with a friend of mine who is a young Pastor last week. In it; he was lamenting an individual who claimed that Christ died for him (or her). This was because the evidence of it through this person's behavior would indicate otherwise. It is indeed true and necessary that we all have a personal understanding and experience in regard to salvific faith and repentance granted in regard to being one of God's elect if indeed we are saved. Clearly "accepting" Christ as Lord isn't really doing anything beyond what demons do and shudder ( James 2:19). Confession with the mouth and belief in the heart must coexist ( Romans 10:9-10); it is more than just a verbal declaration of facts. Nonetheless there should be some understanding of the atonement; as well as evidence that the heart has been changed with the spirit convicting of sin; righteousness and judgment to come ( John 16:8). As the Lord states "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" ( Matt. 12:34 and other related verses in New and Old Testament). What John 3:16 is indicating is a state of belief; not merely a one time thing (as translated correctly). Enduring to the end shows that it isn't our own strength which brings about this result; since we all struggle with sin as long as we live ( 1 John 1:8). Nonetheless we have the capacity to live a life of Holiness; since greater is He within us than he who is in the world ( 1 John 4:4).

There are variations of strengths and weaknesses that we all have; some are steeped in doctrines but rather cold in affection towards God; others seem to be caught up in experiences at the expense of wisdom from the Word; and often they seem to have little grasp of repentance or deem it not worthy in very much discussion. There is ample substance in the Word for the Spirit to enlighten us; and any personal vision or dream must be subject to the Word; if in variance then it must be discarded.



MORE TO COME

Well maybe David0921 I may have misunderstood you (which caused you to be puzzled). You did state, "God does not save anyone BECAUSE we Believe. But if and when God Saves an individual by His MERCY and GRACE alone, they will Believe. Our BELIEF, our REPENTANCE are good works that we do as a RESULT of our Salvation." When I read this statement, it appeared you're stating that Belief & Repentance are necessary (good works) but are the result (could read it as, products) of our Salvation. If something results from an activity, it is assumed that the activity takes place first. So, if Salvation comes first, then how does Belief & Repentance result from it?

As well, in this last comment from you, you write, "Repentance and Belief of someone whom God has saved or plans to savedoes NOT contribute in any way whatsoever TOWARDS their salvation. These are good works that we do because God has saved us or in the process of drawing us to salvation". So even here it seems that Repentance and Belief, though non-contributing to salvation (and I agree to this part), but are evidences post-Salvation or during Salvation. Maybe your thought of Repentance is the continual attitude of the believer in his day-to-day life/warfare, and not of an initial repentance required for salvation; or even, if someone is the Elect of God, he must be saved from the beginning even as a sinner, but only has to repent & believe when he realizes his state. So, I too remain perplexed for I too don't believe that Repentance & Belief can be added to God's Gift of Salvation or else they would be considered as Works; YET I know that Repentance & Belief are necessary to grant Salvation ( Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; Acts 8:22; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9).

"....if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved." Romans 10:9-10

Moses law was the old law law of sin and death. Strive to enter in at the straight gate, and to sin no more. "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." 2 Corinthians 3: 7. The Vatican and her daughters (all major denominations) have never had eyes to see the knowledge you are blessed with. This word of God knowledge is what gives the sons and daughters of God power to walk the walk of faith (no sin) with the righteousness of God unto everlasting life. We are not to walk around the foundation of faith. Hallelujah! The people of denominations are walking on the boardwalk which means they are walking around the foundation of faith. "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Timothy 3: 7.

Deutronomey 6:[24] And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.

[25] And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Romans 10:4] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelations 21: 8.

This is inevitable for those found walking on the boardwalk.

Eduard54

Remember: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of GOD- Romans 10:17. The Word is GOD, understand? Yes, the Word is the invisible GOD, self-executable. For example: The Word said: Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a VIRGIN shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

The Word said(the Word is GOD): Isaiah 9:6-7:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with Judgment and with Justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. (By the way, GOD calleth those things which be not as though they were- Romans 4:17-understand? The Word is GOD, self-executing).

Have you never read Hebrews 11 ?

Brother Carleton.

Part 2.

Here's is your response to the original post.

"Hello brother Spencer, Good evening! Thinking of doctrine, the Church practice of

giving and taking reproof by love maybe is part of what you are thinking? Church discipline and restoration?

God bless the walk.

Brother Carleton, That I absolutely agree with! However, that is not in the context of this message.

This message is more in line with Jude 1:3-4 with the focus on what is mentioned in verse 4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares,"

This has the thought of some has come into the fold sort of like through a back door.

Jude 1:10-15. He describes them. They are not Brothern. They are not Sheep.

As for "A Holy kiss.

Does the bible say greet "them" with a Holy kiss? No, I don't think so.

Romans 10:8-10 says the words is ni thy mouth.

These words is what we can confess to others if asked by what means are you saved.

However, what about the guy whom from his heart "by his mouth" speaks against truth?

We don't judge his present spiritual condition; he's done it ALREADY by refusing to believe and enter in the straight and narrow gate. See Matthew 7:13-15. and John 3:18.

What do these verses concerning a Holy kiss have in common? This Holy kiss is for the Brothern.

1 Corinthians 16:20.

2 Corinthians 13:11-12.

1 Thessalonians 5:26.

Romans 16:16.

The Holy kiss wasn't only meant to express love for the Brothern.

The Holy kiss is meant to express acceptance especially at a time when Gentiles was coming into the fold.

It certainly wasn't for non-believers.

Look at 2 John1:10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.

Also see Romans 16:17-18.

Does open rebuke harm a brother?

Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:5-6.

See Part 3

Only one way to salvation- trust and belief in the Gospel of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. Romans 10:9-12; Ephesians 2:8,9.

Giving, witnessing, making disciples, praying, teaching Bible, preaching, etc are works "OF" righteousness; not works "FOR" righteousness.

May we be faithful in our walk with CHRIST. November 16, 2023

Christ is the end of the law of righteousness Romans 10:4. You were a righteous Jew if you celebrated the Sabbath day as it was a shadow of things to come. However, nobody can keep the Sabbath day, Jesus came and gave us new laws as the Sabbath day was the law of Moses the law of sin and death. Jesus came with new laws of spirit and life as the law of spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death Romans 8:1-3. The law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did. The Sabbath day could not keep people out of sin. Jesus came and became my Sabbath as everyday is my Sabbath. When you offend one point of the law (Moses law) you are a law braker. The moment you got out of bed last Saturday, you violated the sabbath day.

James 2:[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

If you want to live the Sabbath day and all those holidays and feast days be my guest to live like a Leviticus Jew by my guest. If you offend or break any of those points you are guilty of the whole law.

Hebrews 7:19] For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The Apostle Paul said this in Corinthians.

2nd Cor 3:[7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

[8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

[9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

[10] For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

[11] For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

[12] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

Mark 1:15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The apostle Paul knew what it was to follow after Jesus. Paul could not literally follow Jesus in the flesh as most churches are preaching in vain and teaching as if Jesus is still walking the face of the earth. The apostle Paul said this:

1st Cor 11:1] Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

This is not the only instance in the bible Paul said such a thing, there are other places.

1st Cor 4:16] Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Philippians 3:17] Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

1st Thess 1:[6] And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:

Amen, Jesus never preached to follow after him, he preached to follow after his words and not his person as his words are spirit and life John 6:63. We follow after Jesus' words as Jesus is no longer around to be followed in person.

2nd Cor 5:16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The apostle Paul knew that he could not follow Jesus in person but had to follow after that voice from heaven that gave him words to preach. The apostle Paul never met Jesus in person, he did hear his voice and seen a light and that was it. The apostle Paul knew he had to follow after new directives from the Holy Ghost. We see many people trying to find Jesus or try to follow him and it is in vain as Jesus is not around to be followed, he has to be in you, and that is from his words by faith as faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God Romans 10:17.

Repent, and believe the Gospel of Christ's words Romans 1:16-17.

In Christ Jesus we are blessed with the righteousness of God though faith. No one can be righteous be being faithful to the Ten Commandments. We must be faithful to Jesus. Jesus presented himself to his Father on the day of his resurrection as a living sacrifice, and He became the one to redeem us from trying to establish our own righteousness by keeping the commandments. Now, thorough Jesus Christ, we are made the righteousness of God. Anyone who claims to be righteous by keeping the commandments or because they do not commit any sin, have a righteousness which is of no avail for it has been done away with by the death and resurrection of Jesus our Lord. We can not say the Ten Commandments are to be done away with. It is the righteousness which was once obtained by keeping the commandments which is done away with. This is why we glory in Christ Jesus at all times for He is our righteousness if we choose to walk and continue in his word. We follow after new laws the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus Romans 8:1-3. Jesus is the end of the law of righteousness Romans 10:4. You were a righteous Jew when you kept the commandments. It is now in us thorough the words of the bible which are spirit and life John 6:63.

It is much like the Sabbath. The Sabbath has been done away with because the Lord of the Sabbath whom we serve daily is the forerunner. We are resting in the words of Jesus and not resting on any particular day as the Sabbath day was foreshadowing of things to come. Jesus is the head of the Ten Commandments for righteousness sake, and He is also the head of the Sabbath for rest's sake. In Christ we have ceased to work for our own righteousness. We need to be born of God and do what the Bible is telling us to do. "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he can not sin, because he is born of God." 1st John 3:9. Strive to enter in at the straight gate, and to sin no more. "

Hi Inajermyn. Are you referring to Hosea 2:16,17 & also to Revelation 19:7-9? If so, we're not told in the Revelation whether the LORD God is referred to by a special Name (e.g. Ishi = Husband). We do know that ever since Jesus, God's Son, came to Earth to secure our redemption through His Blood, the LORD has always been referred to as Abba = Father, amongst those in that new relationship to Him (of Jew & Gentile).

God was once considered by Israel as 'Baali' (Owner), though the LORD longed that Israel would turn away from idolatry & turn back to Him, their Husband (Ishi). How that relationship with Israel pans out post-Cross is difficult to say, for the Scriptures are clear that only those who 'call upon the Lord (Jesus) will be saved' ( Romans 10:13) - and these people are those who call the LORD, their Heavenly Father, even as He is the Father of Jesus Christ, and we in Him, His Body, the Church.

Brother Spencer,

Thank you, and yes, I agree that salvation "is not done by an alter call or an profession but by the Spirit of God that searches the heart."

There is no formula, such as an alter call, or saying a "sinners' prayer" that guarantees salvation. To anyone reading this, please know that I am not against going up for an alter call to receive Christ or calling out to Him in prayer (sinners' prayer). I am not saying that a person cannot be saved by doing these things. What I am saying is that there is no guarantee.

God knows the heart of every person, and a person with a sincere heart who calls out to the Lord to have mercy on them and to save them, His promise is that He will save them ( Romans 10:13). For some, salvation takes place immediately. For others, it could take a while for God to prepare a person's heart before they are ready to completely surrender their life to Him, but the promise still remains. God promises that all who call upon the name of the Lord will, not might be, but will be saved. That is a promise to anyone who calls out to Him with a sincere heart!

Also, thank you for sharing these great scriptures which show the result of salvation.

God Bless!!!

Hi Frankie,

Thanks for you your input here regarding the ongoing topic of sin. You may in fact agree with Jessie regarding the scripture 1John:1-10 being directed at believers, but I will continue to believe that John is speaking to unbelievers/possible new converts, unless you can show me in scripture that I'm in error.

John is referring to (We) and (Them) a lot. Who is the We? Who is the Them? I believe if we breakdown the scripture we will know who these (2) groups are that he is referring to. These (2) two groups are not alike. One group is nothing like the other group. Indeed, the people in one group are the exact opposite of what the Bible describes as a Christian.

1John 1:3 (unbelievers) They do not have fellowship with us as we have with God.

We Christians: We have fellowship with Christ and all of the members of His Body. 1Cor 1:9 and 1John 1:7

1John 1:5 (unbelievers) They need to hear the message that John has heard.

We Christians: We have heard the message and have believed. Romans 10:17

1John 1:6 (unbelievers) They lie and do not live by the truth.

We Christians: We have already met the Truth and we walk by the Truth. John 14:6 2John 1:4

1John 1:7 (unbelievers) They need to be purified from all sin.

We Christians: We have been purified from all sin. Heb 10:10

1John 1:8 (unbelievers) They are deceived.

We Christians: We are filled with the Spirit of Truth. John 14:17

1John 1:9 (unbelievers) They need to be purified from all unrighteousness.

We Christians: We have received the gift of forgiveness, and have been made righteous. 1Cor 6:11. Eph 1:7

1John 1:10 (unbelievers) They are calling God a liar.

We Christians: We agree with God. Romans 10:9-13

1John 1:10 (unbelievers) God's word has no place in their lives.

We Christians: God's word lives in us. 1Thes 2:13

Hope this helps.

GBU

Ronald.

Part 2.

Ronald, you said Salvation is a gift from God, but We cannot earn this gift, but we must receive it according to God's terms. Isn't that a contradictory statement?

What are God's terms? Isn't it believe in him whom he sent?

John 6:27-29.

27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

"Notice in verse 28 the disciple's ask what their labor is they must do.

Notice in verse 29 Jesus gives them their part!

28) Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

AFTER YOU PART SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE IS ESTABLISHED!

Here is the next step and source of our growth. Philippians 1:6 "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Ronald, concerning Abraham.

Abraham proved his faith by his works, He was justified by faith alone.

Here's how Paul put it in Romans 10:8-11. "AND NOTICE THE LAST SENTENCE IN VERSE 11"

"But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

For the scripture saith, WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT BE ASHAMED.

See part 3.

Romans 10:9-10,

"9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

SO

It is not adequate just to believe in Jesus to get eternal life. One has to confess his faith. Where, when, to whom?

Acts 8:36-37,

"36 And as they(Philipp and the eunuch) went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. AND HE ANSWERED AND SAID, I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD."

Nicene Creed, "...we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;"

IN THE BAPTISM IN WATER.

As we recognize the dire situation in our country as in the current reading; let us also recognize that each of us may become that "... man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it:"

Let us agree to walk with the LORD and put forth HIS will and commandments first by carrying out HIS promises.

1- Let us confess and repent of our own sins. 1 John 1:9

2- Ephesians 2:8-10 Remember we are ordained to do good works!

3- 2 Peter 3:9 love the lost

4- Matthew 28:18-20 Go make disciples

5- 2 Timothy 2:15 Study HIS word

6- 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 Love, and apply HIS word

7- 1 Timothy 2: 1-4 pray for "...all that are in authority..."

8- Romans 10:1, 2 cultivate the desire and pray to GOD that all might be saved

This is in no particular order and not exhaustive by any means. I am sure the brethren on this forum are able and capable to add to it to the glory and praise of the LORD.

Titus 2:11-14 for while we wait and looking for that blessed hope; for HIS

glorious appearing may we be "...Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;"

Our hope must be only in CHRIST and no one else. GOD to shine HIS face on all who are on this forum and gloriously bless your situation.

September 19, 2023

OSAS or "Eternal security" under closer scrutiny.

Once again; the verse "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" is a necessary verse to quote and is found in Proverbs as well as at least a couple places in Psalms. Assuming that there is a genuine conversion needs to be in word and deed. Confessing with our mouth must be accompanied by believing in our heart ( Romans 10:9-10). Believing in our heart must involve; of course a heart change as Ezekiel 36:26 indicates. Evidence of that is an understanding that as sinners we are coming from being ENEMIES of God (i.e. the enmity is in both directions) as Romans 5:10 indicates. True faith understands the painful sacrifice of Christ to pay the redemption through the atonement which only His blood could do in our behalf. Obedience accompanies true love for God as John 14:15 indicates. RECOGNITION that we are crucified with Christ ( Galatians 2:20) means that our new nature is now having new affections and the old one is something which we no longer find our "default" mode. We are beyond wanting to avoid sin because of the consequences but because we recognize that we are offending a Holy God who dwells in us ( 2 Cor. 5:1; and apparently the meaning implicit in John 1:14 where He dwells in us. True salvation never brings contentment with sin; we may fall away but as Proverbs says in chapter 24; verse 16 he rises again; but it is not so for the wicked. We are saved by grace but always have potential to sin and a true believer will be as Paul was cognizant and wary of anything that will get in the way until the end of this earthly existance ( Philippians 3:12-14). This is like 1 Corinthians 9:24 in striving to gain the prize.

Another related situation is that a true believer recognizes that rewards can be attained or lost according to Revelation 3:11. Realizing that we can enter heaven but as through the fire suffering loss ( 1 Cor. 3:15) shows salvation is the beginning of the journey of a truly saved person

Verily thou shalt go unto her and say, "The Christ has sent me to you to instill faith in you." and she shall believe in the LORD. When these things happen ye shall say "So be it. It is done." and if you believe yourself and she believe she shalt be saved. In reference to this: Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

No "work" qualifies any of us for salvation. Salvation by the grace of God. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Salvation is made by: Romans 10:9-10 (KJV) 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Yet, TRUE life-saving faith is not dead, it is not barron, it produces works not for salvation but out of love for Christ.

James 2:16-20 (KJV) 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Blessings!

1 Cor. 2:15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man ( John 8:15,16; 16:11; 17:16).

Comments posted on this discussion forum, that just tell a story but cannot provide deliverance from 'spiritual' bondage or salvation to mankind, raise many questions according to God's judgment.

Do they follow after an image of a false God ( Exodus 20:3,4,7) and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Luke 9:55;

2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8; Rev. 12:9) or do they remain ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, but have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God ( Romans 10:3).

Matthew 7:7. Seek, and ye shall find.

Ronald,

We don't get our understanding of the Bible from history or the writings and ideas of men.

We get our understanding of the Bible from the Bible itself. The Bible alone and its entirety is the Word of God and must be our only Authority.

When we recognize that God Himself is the author of the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation, we know that we can only come to Truth by comparing scripture with scripture, using the principles that God has laid down in the Bible (and which I have tried to articulate in previous comments).

And then also recognizing that God himself must open our understanding of His Word by giving us ears to hear, as it might be His good pleasure so to do.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

HI Gigi

Deuteronomy 30:14-16 The law of Moses, the administration of the letter, OT gospel; outward

Romans 10:8 The Word of Faith, the administration of the Spirit, NT gospel inward

Hebrews 8:6-9

No matter how much good we do we can never be good enough to earn salvation, Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." No matter how many good works we do we can never atone for our own sins. So what can we do? Romans 10:13 gives the answer "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.".doing our best is not and never will be enough for salvation, only faith in Jesus Christ can save us from our sins! God bless

Found the Lord TheRealJesusChrist in 2012.

I experienced the Holy Spirt immediately present in me.

I didn't find it in Romans 10:9 bc later found that that was for the Jews back in the transitional period where Apostle Paul is beseeching his brethren!

I didn't find it in 1 Corinthians 15 either bc later found out that was a gospel of Reproof!

But the Holy Spirit entered in after reading Through Romans & at Romans 3:24/25/26 Gods free gift to all AMEN!

Many seriously believe that they are saved but it's all like Pinterest fluffiness.

SO You need to protect your souls I seriously ask you to join the Firstborn school & fellowship absolutely FREE, to escape what is ahead! 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

The mark of the beast will devour many!

And I can say I will meet those who take eternity seriously find out how to get in the book of life!

Revelation 20:11-11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

In order for any to make it to heaven they must be born again receive Jesus in your heart today and he will show you the way Romans 10:9;10

I agree with your statement David, but I think we need to be more specific. I wont call you intoxicated like Frankie did, but I do believe that you are just ignorant to certain scriptures. By ignorant I'm using it as the Bible does in the sense of you just haven't been taught.

So the Bible is the FINAL authority in the Christian life ( 2 Peter 1:19). I agree with Frankie that you need the Holy Spirit to discern the things of God in His word. The Bible clearly states that in 1 Peter 1:11-12. The Bible also says that we need a preacher, because how can we hear without one ( Romans 10:14). So the Bible was given by the Holy Spirit/God and needs to be discerned through that, because the Bible is of no private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20-21). God had a specific meaning for each word and only He can tell us what that is.

I also believe what the Bible says in Acts 2:17 that in the last days people will prophesy, have dreams, and visions. If the Bible says it, then it's true. That being said, since the Bible is the final authority, if anything they say happened in the prophesy, dream, or vision that goes against the Bible, then it's a false dream.

Here's how to discern if they are truly a "prophet" in the sense of them prophesying, dreaming, and having visions:

1. Does it follow scripture ( 2 Peter 3:16)

2. Look at their fruits ( Matthew 7:15-20)

3. It doesn't breed confusion ( 1 Corinthians 14:29-33)

4. It is of the Holy Ghost/Jesus ( 1 Corinthians 12:1-3, John 16:13-15)

I hope this was a help to you and there is definitely more studying that can go into this, but that's about the summary of this.

Hi Brother Carleton.

Goodmorning.

You asked; When Christ was on the Cross while still alive, the dead arose from the grave and the veil was torn. How did this event affect the House of Israel?

Inside the Veil is where the High priest went in and made the sacrifices for the people of Israel,

The veil separated the people from the Glory of God.

First the High priest would offer a sacrifice for himself before he go in.

If not he would be killed.

If his sacrifice wasn't accepted he would be killed.

This is why they had bells and a rope on him when he went in.

If you no longer hear the bells, that means something happened to him.

You would have to use the rope to pull him out.

These sacrifices had to be offered often, Christ was offered once and for all.

Christ was ending that Priesthood.

See Romans 10:1-21.

Verses 19-20

"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Jesus we can enter in!

I will touch on Daniel 12:9-13

later on today,

I'm getting ready for work.

God bless

Hi Texsis. One can understand why Paul wrote this oft-quoted "to the Jew first", as he longed for his people who waited for the Messiah, would also like him, come to know that the Scriptures indeed were being fulfilled before their very eyes in Jesus ( Romans 10:1,2).

And so it was, that God had not forgotten or cast away His people ( Romans 11:1), but that the Messiah would be appointed & sent by God to Israel for their salvation - and what did they do? John 1:11, "He came unto his own, and his own received him not". Jesus saw their hard stubborn hearts, yet could still weep for them ( Luke 19:41,42). And as you wrote & implied, not only did they reject Jesus, ridiculed Him & crucified Him, but the day would come when they would recognize Him.

Paul wrote in Romans 11:12,15, "Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" For now, by their rejection, the Jews have failed to know & appropriate the immeasurable Love & Grace of God for them and by their "fall & diminishing", the Gentiles have been granted salvation through the preaching of the Gospel. So, if by their casting away, the rest of the world can find reconciliation through Jesus' Sacrifice, Paul exhibits great exhilaration, that when Israel finally turns to Christ, it would be akin to a resurrection from death & corruption to a glorious new life.

And those of Israel who come to salvation, through much suffering now & particularly in the time of Great Tribulation, will also join the saved from the Gentiles ( Galatians 3:28,29). Yet there will be much rejoicing because Elect Israel is truly the "beloved for the fathers' sakes" ( Romans 11:28: Elect, for the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, & Israel). So, it was always "the Jew first", but all who are IN Christ Jesus are special & precious.